There’s still a gap.

Part of what Fulmer was crowing about in that clip in my last post was Tennessee cracking the top ten in the Sports247 Composite for 2020.

Screenshot_2020-02-06 2020 Football Team Rankings

That’s nice, but not a complete picture.  UT’s tenth overall is also seventh in the conference — and third in the division.  It’s a tough neighborhood, Phil.

To put that in perspective, the Vols’ point total is closer to 30th-place Arkansas than it is to Georgia and the Urnge average point score is closer to Georgia Tech than it is to Georgia.

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32 responses to “There’s still a gap.

  1. Russ

    Unfortunately, that’s a situation we were familiar with in the latter part of Richt’s career. He’d put together a top 7 or better class and we’d still be 3rd or 4th in the conference.

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  2. 3rdandGrantham

    What is utterly insane about SEC recruiting is that UT’s class would be good enough to be #1 in the Pac-12, #2 in the Big 10, and barely #2 in the Big-12. When 7 of the 10 teams hail from the SEC, you know you have an uphill battle unless you’re one of the top dogs.

    By the way, USC at #55?! IMO this is perhaps the biggest surprise of all-time when it comes to recruiting. They were out-recruited by the likes of Iowa State, Purdue, Vandy!, Northwestern, and others. How Clay Helton continues to have a job there is beyond me.

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    • Biggus Rickus

      Clay Helton still having the job is why they’re 55th. It’s hard to recruit when everyone assumes you’re going to be fired at any time. His classes before he was on a perpetual hot seat were what you’d expect. USC not making the move two years ago is setting them back years.

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    • Will (the other one)

      I think the only real reason Clay Helton has a job is the AD is still preoccupied cleaning up the mess that was giving schollies to Cousin Becky’s idiot kids, and USC doesn’t have enough boosters ready to revolt over mediocre football.

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    • They only signed 13 kids. SMH

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    • Gaskilldawg

      True about UT, but I suspect that being in the SEC helps UT’s recruiting. If the Big 12 and the SEC traded UT and TCU would TCU recruit better than UT because it is selling SEC competition rather than Big 12 competition?

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  3. Looking at the 247 Composite Ranking breakdown and I have a question:

    How is Georgia ranked ahead of Alabama when they have the same number of recruits and Alabama’s average is higher than Georgia’s?

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    • Biggus Rickus

      I’m guessing it’s basically the difference between mean and average. Alabama has 7 players in the top 100 and 9 in the top 200. Georgia has 11 and 14, respectively.

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      • Cojones

        Each player is given a subjective score by the recruiting websites. Georgia also gives them a score when choosing who to take. These scores will vary from low to high for the star category they are in and Georgia’s recruiting crop has a slightly higher category score, enough to influence the final composite score. 247’s scoring system is lower in point valuations (in the hundreds) versus Rivals system valuations (in the thousands). The composite of the two leads to a point system variation between the teams that give a clear-cut number difference that aids in ranking. Adding all the valuations for each team in the 4* category (for example) can end with a slightly higher score for one team vs another while the head-to-head comparison of athletes will have no difference whatsoever between each athlete.

        The difference in personnel using this point system to declare a winner is horseshit to placate us, the fans, into a childish “We’re #1” chant for bragging rights. There ain’t shit for difference between the top three teams who I think of as tied. Below those teams, tiers (tears?) fall into place that equivocates teams in that tier, etc. The recruiting success of the top 3 teams can give a sucking noise in the recruit waterhole by the time you get to Tenn’s 10th place.

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      • Cojones

        Biggus, your reasoning would explain why ESPN ranks Clemson as #1 over UGA (yesterday). Clemson had more people recruited in their subjective top 300 ranking than did UGA.

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        • Biggus Rickus

          It’s all subjective. If you’re among the group with 247 scores of 290 or higher, there’s probably not that much difference between your classes. The teams outside that group are probably fighting an uphill battle against those teams (though a team like Texas with a small but relatively elite group is potentially in better position).

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  4. Sports Fan

    For anyone interested, the best comparison is how the typical CMR class stacked up on the field against the typical Nick Saban class. The know we made it close in 2012, but both other times Bama came to Athens, they blew the doors off of us.

    CMR classes consistently ranked in the Top 7-10 nationally, but were still only 4-6 in the SEC and nowhere close to the Bama classes of that era. And the results showed on the field.

    Fast forward to now. UT and UF are signing the typical CMR classes, and we are signing the Bama classes.

    I’m fairly certain the results will continue to show on the field.

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    • Biggus Rickus

      Richt had more talent (by recruiting rankings) than Saban in 2008. Not so much in 2015.

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    • Normaltown Mike

      the other issue is roster management. I don’t like “processing” players, but Kirby operates in a way that I”m ok with in that he certainly signs as many as possible and (apparently) holds players accountable in a way that they know where they stand and encouraging them to “pursue other options” when they are expendable.

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    • This was exactly what I thought of when I saw that Fulmer clip. In the late 2000s and early 2010s, we were often stoked to see UGA get a top 10 class. Unfortunately we were still only 3rd or 4th in the conference, and often by a wide margin behind UF and Bama. Thats what today feels like in respect to Tenn, to a larger degree.

      That’s not to say they can’t turn out better teams – I think they will. Will they clip one of UF/UGA/Bama/Oklahoma next season is the question. I think if they get one of those they would be ecstatic.

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      • Down Island Way

        Keep your eyes on donut hole phil, he’s letting pruitt build a little roster action before he moves in…. pruitt goes below 500 next year and he’s a one way bus ticket outa’ town….with a check

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    • siskey

      I am not bashing Richt he was a great coach and a hell of a guy but you are correct.

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      • Sports Fan

        I wasn’t bashing him either. He was a great coach, and took Georgia to levels it hadn’t been before. He was a great recruiter. Kirby Smart is an elite recruiter, however. And he is taking Georgia to even higher levels. Elite levels.

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  5. practicaldawg

    Looking at a line chart of the composite score tells the real story:

    https://d.pr/i/z3Jzxt

    The top teams are just on another level. For example, the composite score drops 40 points from 1. UGA to 7. Auburn. The next drop in 40 points basically takes you to 23. Kentucky.

    The difference at the top is 5* players. That’s how you break above the trend line. But don’t tell Mullen.

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    • Texas Dawg

      Pleas forgive me for stealing and then mangling a quote from the great Michelangelo but it made me think of Mullen and his disciples.

      In every block of marble (2, 3, 4 star recruit) I see a statue (5 star player ) as plain as though it stood before me, shaped and perfect in attitude and action. I have only to (coach ’em up) hew away the rough walls that imprison the lovely apparition (1st round NFL draft pick) to reveal it to the other eyes (those idiots that are not as smart as me) as mine see it.

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      • While I admire the imagery, insinuating that the Portal Master is the Michelangelo of college football coaches is a stretch, Tex.
        Now, if you are inferring that Coach Mullen is seeing things that aren’t really there? I can get behind that. 🙂

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        • Texas Dawg

          Not implying that he is Michelangelo at all. To the contrary. He and his minions have the delusions that he can make chicken salad out of chicken shit. They think he can carve a masterpiece from anything he is given hence no worry over the talent gap with UGA growing ever wider each and every signing day . The rest of the world sees him for what he is, Side Show Dan or Dan Dan the Clown Man.

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          • Will (the other one)

            And honestly it’s part myth even at QB. Prescot at MSU was a great development case. But Tebow had lower numbers his senior year than his sophomore year. Felipe Franks never really improved as a passer, nor did Fitzgerald.

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  6. Classic City Canine

    Sure UT is probably not going to challenge Bama and UGA for a while with that kind of class because there is a noticeable difference between top 3-5 and top 10, but getting a top 10 class is how you get out of the cellar and beat the rest of the East before getting to the level of challenging the big boys. I give credit to Pruitt. He’s starting to get that ship turned around even if it’s a slow process.

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    • Biggus Rickus

      He’ll need to build momentum on the field. If hot seat talk starts because they go 6-6 or something, it’ll be hard to stay in the top 10. They already have four apparent losses on the schedule next year. They’ll need to win every toss-up or upset Florida to look like they’ve built momentum.

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    • practicaldawg

      Jury is still out on Pruitt. The quality of Tennessee’s opponents in the 2nd half was abysmal. Most wins were by a razor thin margin. Jennings is also gone now. Seems like he was their whole offense when it had a pulse.

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  7. Busta

    uT is closing the gap on fU! Can’t wait to point that out to the seasonal Southerners a.k.a. gator fans.

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  8. The difference between the top 3 bottom of the top 10 can more significant than it seems when it comes to results. Richt had some similar classes and those teams would lose 3-4 games. Coaching and development can help or hurt that but there is definitely a talent gap. Hell, Tennessee a few more years of this kind of recruiting to make it a gap and not a gulf imo.

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  9. DawgFaithful

    What you say is true. But it’s still a top 10 class. That’s nothing to sneeze at. They finished ahead of Oklahoma and Oregon. Oregon had an all-time class for them.

    Still… I hate Tennessee. I’m not worried about the Hillibillies. There’s still quite a gap. They certainly aren’t “back” either.

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  10. 92 Grad

    It’s fun to be #1 at something and evaluating a team roster has little else to go on so I understand the urge to quantify, but, now that everyone is signed, they’re all privates (freshmen). They have to do the work, coaches and players alike. I sure hope the coaches are talented enough to get these talented kids to their potential.

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  11. Comin' Down The Track

    So, you’re saying there’s a Cumberland Gap?

    I’ll show myself out.

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