Welcome back, my friends, to the show that never ends.

How do you know when a conference commissioner is bullshitting you?  When another conference commissioner tells you ($$).

On April 15, the 10 conference commissioners and one athletic director who make up the College Football Playoff Management Committee held a call with Vice President Mike Pence. As Pence pressed the group on what it would take for them to allow college football to resume, the response from the committee was clear: no school, no games. “Our players are students,” Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby said later that day. “If we’re not in college, we’re not having contests.”

That was one more piece of discouraging news for anxious fans who are hoping their teams might take the field this fall, even if no fans are allowed in the stadiums. Bowlsby’s comments gave the impression that unless campuses are open to all students, then sports will not take place.

As is often the case in these uncertain times, however, it is hard to state things in absolute terms. Follow-up interviews with six conference commissioners, including those from four of the Power 5 leagues, revealed that the scenarios under consideration are wider than the Pence call suggested. That offers the hope that games could in fact resume before campuses are completely open.

“I don’t think anyone said ‘all’ or ‘completely,’ ” Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott said. “I think the best way to say it is until our campuses start to open up, I don’t see student-athletes being invited back. I certainly don’t envision student-athletes being brought back exclusively.”

In other words, it depends upon what the meaning of the word ‘exclusively’ is.  Bill Clinton would make an excellent conference commissioner, don’t you think?

They’re playing football.  It’s a matter of when, not if.

44 Comments

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44 responses to “Welcome back, my friends, to the show that never ends.

  1. Did not know you were an ELP fan………at least we have that in common!

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    • I went through my prog rock phase… “went” being the operative term. 😉

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      • I saw Yes three times live and actually hung out with Rick Wakeman, their keyboard player after the show, along with Eddie Offord, the engineer/producer on their earlier albums. I also have a ticket stub from the Beatles and Jimi Hendrix. Was in the 6th row for Hendrix……changed my life and a big reason I became a musician in my teen and college years.

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        • Paul

          Roswell I’ve seen Yes perform at least a dozen times. I also saw ELP at the the Omni. That place was awful even when it was new. But we saw a out of shows there.

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          • Paul:: Wow! First time I saw them was the Close to the Edge tour, and Alan White had just taken Billy Bruford’s place in the band. Which bummed me out. Still, a great show. Their music is pretty timeless…….

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            • Paul

              Roswell apparently they liked Savannah. I saw them a bunch of times there. I read they wrote a good chunk of Tales from Topographic Oceans while in Savannah.

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          • Paul

            A out of shows? A lot of shows. Apologies.

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      • Lol. Just realized im.the same

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    • Russ

      I was a huge ELP fan. Still a big King Crimson fan (saw them a couple of years ago – one of the best shows I’ve ever seen, any genre).

      Yeah the music is pompous and self-important. That’s what prog rock is for. 😉

      As for the Senator’s point, I guess it depends on what they mean by “open campus”. Online classes and cashing tuition checks will probably count.

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  2. Bill Glennon

    Great news. Can’t wait for the season to start.

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  3. TN Dawg

    Excellent.

    I enjoy watching football.

    This is fantastic news. I’m glad the conference commissioners have changed their views and are reconsidering.

    As a fan, that was what I have been hoping for, that college football is played this year. If it’s format is different this year, that’s okay.

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  4. Paul

    To open campus schools are going to have to figure out how to social distance 18 year olds. Good luck with that. A huge campus like UGA would literally require thousands of hand sanitizer stations (all of which need to be constantly restocked), hundreds of cleaning/disinfecting stations and untold numbers of masks and gloves. Then let’s talk about testing and temperature taking. Do you take every student’s temperature as they enter every room? Don’t forget the questions you have to ask every person at every class or gathering. It won’t take long for helicopter/bulldozer parents to sue if their fragile babies aren’t protected. To open stadiums you would be restricted to a quarter of your normal capacity. That is every other seat in every other row. It’s the only way to stay at least 6 feet apart. In a place like Sanford even that won’t necessarily keep us six feet apart. So is it worth it to open the stadium, stock the concessions, pay the workers, direct the traffic, yada, yada, yada, for 25,000 fans? Which 25,000? Fun times. If they aren’t already done with the planning and actually purchasing their needs how likely are they to be ready by fall? Not likely in my opinion.

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    • Faltering Memory

      Every other seat in every other row in Neyland would get you a good six inches of breathing room.

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    • Union Jack

      I posted this earlier in the week but seems appropriate to post here again. Purdue University with a “city” of 50,000 on campus is going to be open with students for Fall semester 2020. Not worried about social distancing about the students etc who are younger than 35. It will be about keeping the 18-34 year olds away from the 35+ students, faculty staff.

      The President of Purdue is former Indiana Governor and former Eli Lilly North American President, Mitch Daniels.

      https://www.purdue.edu/president/messages/campus-community/2020/2004-fall-message.php

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      • ATL Dawg

        They’re not worried about social distancing? Then what do you call this?

        “The approaches below are preliminary, meant to be illustrative of the objectives we will pursue. View them as examples, likely to be replaced by better ideas as we identify and validate them.

        They could include spreading out classes across days and times to reduce their size, more use of online instruction for on-campus students, virtualizing laboratory work, and similar steps.”

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        • Union Jack

          Maybe a poor choice of words but nice cherry picking of a paragraph without context. Perhaps they are less concerned with social distancing and bringing back 30k+ undergraduates to campus. Social distance for the 35+ and those at risk from the 80% that COVID that have zero lethal threat.

          “But in other respects, a place like Purdue may be in better position to resume its mission. Our campus community, a “city” of 50,000+ people, is highly unusual in its makeup. At least 80% of our population is made up of young people, say, 35 and under. All data to date tell us that the COVID-19 virus, while it transmits rapidly in this age group, poses close to zero lethal threat to them.

          Meanwhile, the virus has proven to be a serious danger to other, older demographic groups, especially those with underlying health problems. The roughly 20% of our Purdue community who are over 35 years old contains a significant number of people with diabetes, asthma, hypertension, and other ailments which together comprise a very high percentage of the fatal and most severe COVID-19 cases.

          We will consider new policies and practices that keep these groups separate, or minimize contact between them. Literally, our students pose a far greater danger to others than the virus poses to them. We all have a role, and a responsibility, in ensuring the health of the Purdue community.

          The approaches below are preliminary, meant to be illustrative of the objectives we will pursue. View them as examples, likely to be replaced by better ideas as we identify and validate them.

          They could include spreading out classes across days and times to reduce their size, more use of online instruction for on-campus students, virtualizing laboratory work, and similar steps.”

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          • ATL Dawg

            A poor choice of words? You were flat wrong. Those measures are the definition of social distancing.

            Speaking of cherry picking, I see you conveniently stopped just short of including the bold yet simple testing plan that apparently needs to be shared with the rest of the country’s leadership. Nevermind that epidemiological experts keep harping on the shortage and unreliability of tests. Purdue’s got it figured out!

            “We intend to know as much as possible about the viral health status of our community. This could include pre-testing of students and staff before arrival in August, for both infection and post-infection immunity through antibodies. It will include a robust testing system during the school year, using Purdue’s own BSL-2 level laboratory for fast results. Anyone showing symptoms will be tested promptly, and quarantined if positive, in space we will set aside for that purpose.

            We expect to be able to trace proximate and/or frequent contacts of those who test positive. Contacts in the vulnerable categories will be asked to self-quarantine for the recommended period, currently 14 days. Those in the young, least vulnerable group will be tested, quarantined if positive, or checked regularly for symptoms if negative for both antibodies and the virus.”

            Going back to your original post, I particularly like how you stated that Purdue’s 50k person campus “is going to be open with students for Fall semester 2020”, as if this is definite and not just a desperate university president’s tentative and hopeful plan. They may indeed end up having their students on campus in less than 4 months but it won’t be because it’s now set in stone due to this letter. Here’s an Indianapolis Star reporter’s much more level report on what this means…

            “On Tuesday, he shared a letter with the Purdue community outlining some of the changes that would be made to protect the more vulnerable populations at Purdue if campus were to reopen.” (note that it says “if” and not “when”)

            https://www.indystar.com/story/news/education/2020/04/23/iu-purdue-bsu-ivy-tech-depauw-uindy-return-to-classes/3005162001/

            And hey, what the hell, here’s an opinion piece from an Indianapolis Star writer that you surely won’t like:

            https://www.indystar.com/story/opinion/columnists/suzette-hackney/2020/04/22/mitch-daniels-chasing-tuition-dollars-instead-reasonable-solutions-writes-columnist-suzette-hackney/3004588001/

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            • Union Jack

              It is not the very essence of social distancing. The plan is to bring 30000 students back to campus and try keep the 18-34 from mingling with those who are 35+. They are relaxing social distancing for the 18-34 age group.

              Since I posted a link, I didn’t feel it was necessary to post the entire statement only the parts that discussed the social distancing aspect.

              You also seem to be under the impression that I agree with it – I do not which is why I posted this premature announcement.

              I have friends in educational consulting and they have been working with all levels of education administrators to figure how education be conducted in Fall 2020. Most of the plans for colleges especially of this size and scope do not involve bringing students back to campus. Just this week one of them said that a significant number of large private institutions are making contingency plans for zero undergraduate students on campus until 21/22.

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              • ATL Dawg

                I don’t know what the “essence” of social distancing is but how do the procedures mentioned just keep younger people away from older people but not keep younger people away from each other?

                That’s good to hear that schools are making serious plans to keep students off campus if necessary.

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      • Bulldog Joe

        Happy to see proactive work being done to discuss ideas and steps on how best to return. Mitch has a unique set of skills, experience, and contacts from his roles as governor, life sciences CEO, and board member of one of the largest healthcare IT companies. No doubt he has access to the brightest in those fields and the latest statistics.

        Innovation and thought leadership is why universities were established. Let’s see if/how they come up with a model that makes sense.

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  5. Bulldog Joe

    Could Larry Scott beat Kirk Herbstreit in a backwards race?

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  6. PTC DAWG

    If we aren’t safe to do anything this fall, we are doomed. Bread & Cheese line here we come.

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    • DawgPhan

      “aren’t safe to do anything” is not the same as safe to pack 100k people into a stadium.

      I think schools can probable reopen in the fall. But there is a lot of work to be done before that can happen.

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      • PTC DAWG

        They are coming to take us away…hehe haha..to The Funny Farm..

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        • ATL Dawg

          Might be a good spot for you to ride out the Great Depression Part II that you claim is coming due to it not being “safe to do anything this fall” (i.e. no football).

          You know, you’d think that somebody who goes on and on and on about needing football would actually donate and buy season tickets.

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          • PTC DAWG

            You continue thinking it’s all about football..

            Is buying UGA football tickets a pre requisite for commenting here?

            I think Goffs last year was also my last for buying them.

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            • ATL Dawg

              In a blog post comments section where the post is talking about whether games will actually take place and after a number of comments doing the same, you chime in with “If we aren’t safe to do anything this fall…” Now you’re going to have the gall to pretend that you weren’t implying that not having games means we won’t be safe to do anything? And then act like I’m the one placing too much emphasis on football? Wow.

              On top of that, when I point out that you’ve been going on and on about how important it is for these games to take place yet you don’t actually donate or purchase season tickets, you pretend to not see the relevance. Kind of like when you state how the home schedules are fine or the bathrooms/concessions situation is fine and I point out that you don’t donate or buy season tickets. You don’t see the relevance then either.

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  7. Tony Barnhart

    The German Bundesliga (top soccer league) is probably going to get the green light to return May 9th (without fans). If we don’t have at least fan-less football come September, we have screwed the pooch badly.

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  8. Foreverdawg

    If the NCAA and the conferences have college football players on campus playing in college football games at college stadiums, without the rest of the student body allowed on campus, any claims on “amateurism” is gone. They are nothing but cannon fodder for the schools to make money and fund projects. Hence, they are going to want to be paid.

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  9. WHB209

    I have a bad feeling that UGA is NOT going to refund season ticket money.
    And I know damn well the Hartman Fund money is gone. The UGAA will send a note saying that the Hartman money was a donation and only a dumb
    ass would expect a refund of a donation. Season ticket money will be used to pay maybe 50% of the next football season tickets, when ever that might be… 2020 Hartman Fund – $2910.00
    2020 Season Tickets – $2485.00
    Good-bye money

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    • ATL Dawg

      They’ve already said they would refund both donations and ticket payments. The wording below has been on the pop-up message that appears on their website. It was also included in an email they sent a few weeks ago.

      “Should this international pandemic result in the cancellation of the 2020 football season, there will be an opportunity for 2020 Hartman Fund contributions to be refunded. Season ticket payments will be refunded under those circumstances.”

      https://thegeorgiabulldogclub.com/

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  10. Got Cowdog


    I realize this is playpen material, but a buddy sent it to me and I can’t stop laughing.

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