“It’ll be different.”

Life with the ‘rona, that is.

“I told people I thought shutting down everything was hard. This opening up is… ‘Oh my God!'” says Greg Stewart, the longtime Tulane team physician who has recently been charged with leading the American Athletic Conference’s reopening plan. “Everyone wants an answer, but there are research articles coming out every day with new information about the virus. We can’t figure out how to open the economy and we’ve got to figure out how we’re going to bring athletes back who, especially in football, are running into each other.”

If you somehow figure it out, maybe they should put you in charge of the economy, too.

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66 responses to ““It’ll be different.”

  1. W Cobb Dawg

    What’s so difficult? If I wouldn’t put myself or my family in a situation, then I wouldn’t do it to others. Ignore the noise, gather the facts, and let those facts guide decisions.

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    • PTC DAWG

      So how long are you wanting to keep things shut down? Or am I reading your comment wrong..

      FYI, things in my area seem to be getting more and more normal everyday…I’m thankful for it…nice to be able to go out and enjoy a meal, check out the parks, etc..

      Sports and entertainment are next…I am not scared to be around people…

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      • gastr1

        “So how long are you wanting to keep things shut down?” How about until there’s a way to ensure that people can be in close proximity to each other without unknowingly passing this around? Medicine, testing at the door, vaccine, everyone wearing masks, some combination of those…why is it so hard for you to get why the rest of us don’t want to unknowingly take this home and share it with loved ones? It’s not a matter of being scared. It’s a matter of being safe and not stupid and/or callously indifferent.

        Sorry, dude. My 70+-year-old mother’s, aunt’s, uncle’s, and grandfather’s lives are more important to me than your ability to attend a football game.

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        • practicaldawg

          This one’s easy: if the risk isn’t acceptable to you and your family, continue to isolate until you’re OK with the risk of being around people.

          Seasonal flu has killed nearly 60K already this season and nearly 200 kids. Pretty normal year. Yet people happily go about their lives every year with that death risk. Millions die on the roads every year. Yet people don’t think twice about getting in their cars every day.

          We can’t eliminate death risk for all of society, but we can make individual risk assessments in what’s left of our free society.

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          • Millions die on the roads every year. Yet people don’t think twice about getting in their cars every day.

            Please stop with this. Car wrecks aren’t contagious and the government has mandated all sorts of safety requirements for vehicles.

            It’s a worthless analogy.

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            • PTC DAWG

              It’s an out there analogy for sure, but automobile accident deaths on public roads are preventable. 100% preventable. We have decided that is not worth it to prevent them 100%.

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              • Uh hunh.

                We mandate seat belt use. Manufacturers are required to install expensive safety features on vehicles. We criminalize certain reckless behavior while operating a vehicle. Hell, you can’t operate a vehicle unless the government gives you a license.

                The idea that they’re the same because you can’t prevent all deaths is lame. Get back to me when we’re taking similar steps to protect folks from the coronavirus. Right now, we can’t even get everyone to wear masks in public, let alone socially distance properly.

                It’s a useless analogy, no matter how much you want to pretend otherwise.

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                • On this note, why hasn’t mask wearing been made mandatory? I keep a microfiber bandanna with me, but in the local grocery yesterday evening out of 50 people in the building 4 were wearing masks. only one cashier wearing a mask.

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                • PTC DAWG

                  One is totally preventable..the other not so much. You figure it out. We have determined that commerce, the ability to move about freely is worth a few car deaths. A virus is a totally different animal.

                  As far as the flu deaths discussed elsewhere, I suppose the number isn’t real? Why are some so dismissive of it? It happens yearly, yet we move on with living. This is with a vaccine readily available.

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                • Tony Barnhart

                  They cut the flu death, car death or any other “risk acceptance” metric off at the pass because that’s the herd narrative. Many of these analogies are very good, particularly considering lots of car deaths happen to people who were following the law to a ‘T’ but, much like a virus, encountered the wrong person at the wrong time.

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            • trbodawg

              As is the “Flu kills and we live with that” – It’s quite possible that 4-6 years from now we can blithely ignore our annual ‘rona shot like people do the flu shot. But today, they ain’t the same.

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              • Russ

                Worst case estimate for flu deaths this year (October 2019-April 2020) is 62k. Best case is 24k.

                Over the period from February (first reported case) until today there are 90,694 U.S. deaths from COVID-19 in spite of the most restrictive containment measures we’ve ever seen and this death rate hasn’t shown much slowing down. It will easily double the worst case flu estimates in spite of all the containment methods. And with reopening happening, I’m betting we will see another surge in the fall.

                We can’t stay closed forever, and we have to reopen the economy. But for everyone to pretend like it’s gone is just dumb and it puts people at needless additional risk. Wear a mask.

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            • practicaldawg

              A death is a death. The point of shutting down the economy was the flatten the curve. We can debate whether shutting down the economy did accomplished that, but all the data show that the curve is flattened and falling. Now the narrative is “crush the curve.” That’s what I take issue with.

              We accept far more mortality risk every single day getting in cars, which are perennial killers. We implicitly accept that for our life to function as normal, millions of people will die on the road each year across the world.

              We accept that 10s of thousands of people will die of flu every year (and 100s of kids). Yet we shake hands, go to work, hug, and have sex.

              Thanks to constant media exposure around the clock, we are hyper, hyper sensitive to a risk that for the average person on earth is essentially zero.

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              • Here’s the problem I have with your argument. Every bit of polling I’ve seen indicates a sizeable majority in this country isn’t ready to end the status quo. In other words, people aren’t accepting the mortality risk you mention. What good does opening up do if most of the population isn’t comfortable with it?

                That’s the question people like you are ignoring and what I find so frustrating about this debate. Instead of minimizing the risk and demanding everything be restored to pre-coronavirus state, we should be demanding widespread, easy to access testing, robust tracing and isolation. Because this isn’t going to get better for us until some level of public confidence is restored. And, no, that doesn’t mean staying locked up until there’s a vaccine.

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          • gastr1

            How many times does that comparison have to be debunked before you people get it? Seasonal flu doesn’t require anywhere near the same hospitalization rate. It doesn’t have anywhere near the same death rate. No one’s talking anout eliminatuion all rsik from society. We’re talking about getting people like to take seriously the lives of others and recognize that certain people getting this = death sentence.

            Do I know people who have gotten it? Yes. About 10. How many died? One. How many were hospitalized? Four.

            Do I know people who have had the flu? Obviously. Had it myself. How many died, out of those hundreds? None. How many do I know that were hospitalized for the flu? None.

            Anecdotal, yes, but the comparison seems about right for the known statistics. But the people who most want to open things up are the same people who even wear a mask, also statistically. This is what it takes: Those of you who want to open up so badly commit to doing what is recommended to minimize exposure, and stop using it as a chance to for political expression.

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            • practicaldawg

              Nice try, but I didn’t make a political statement and I hate Trump. I recommend Twitter if you want to stereotype this and start political dog piling.

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        • PTC DAWG

          I’m not advocating for anyone to be ordered to attend anything. You seem to think that. Your situation is different…your thought process tells you to stay home. You can do that. Until you feel it’s safe. Your call.

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          • gastr1

            No. You’re advocating for the “freedom” to indiscriminately pass around a deadly virus to others, and for athletes who perform in close physical proximity to each other to do so for your entertainment regardless of the ability to protect them. So, can they “do that”? Is it “their call” too? Because you don’t seem to think they should have the same right to “opt out” that you think I have in this.

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        • Tony Barnhart

          Why do liberals (look i can read your politics oozing from your post) think they’re the only ones that read the god damn paper or ever took a science class ? It’s some kind of sad, depressing virtue signal. Look, I’ve had the mask thing going when yall still claimed hospital capacity was the reason for shutting down. Spare us the virtue signaling lectures.

          People are tired dude. And it’s pretty clear that with basic viral defensive tactics, masks hopefully, hand sanitizer, washing hands…..we’re going to be fine. But you can feel the RAGE boiling over in every leftist as the reality that everything’s going to be OK starts to become reality. Why are yall so angry about normalcy ?

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          • Russ

            Good on you for wearing a mask. And why do conservatives think it’s some great conspiracy to keep the economy closed? (See, two can play that game and I’ve always considered myself conservative, my voting record bears that out.) Who benefits from keeping the economy shut down? No one.

            Everyone wants the economy open. But the people running around without masks, gathering in groups and carrying that shit back to others is what will happen if we just act like it’s 1999 again. There’s a new normal for now. Open the economy and use common sense to reduce the risk as much as we can.

            When people used to get sick, they would take precautions to protect others. Now, some people act like it the end of their world if they are asked to try to prevent spreading something they may or may not have. To me, it’s a small ask to help reopen the economy.

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            • PTC DAWG

              The Dem candidates this fall. No, I don’t think the Dems invented Covid..but they sure seem to be milking it for all they can. Take a look at the map of Red/Blue states and the states still under strict don’t open and stay at home rules. It becomes quite obvious that it has been politicized. To me, anyways. YMMV.

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              • Russ

                I’ve never under estimated the stupidity of any political candidate on either side, but that’s a tiny fraction of the real population of the US. No one has explained to me what is to gain by crippling the economy of the US, or any country. I’d like to retire in 5 years, and I’d like for our kid’s college fund to last through her time in college. A screwed up economy doesn’t help that.

                Basically, I can’t see why any person of any political persuasion wants the economy to tank. That’s some next level paranoia/spite right there if they do.

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            • Tony Barnhart

              I think we’re actually in agreement. I’m fully on board with the masks. In fact I have a couple of the N95s for my wife, mother and myself. (shhh don’t tell, although I don’t think we could have donated them anyway, plus mom has cancer).

              I’m not going to go as far as say it’s some conspiracy, but trust me I see tons of cat ladies—either from law school or in my hipster neighborhood—that appear to want nothing more than a continuation of everyone sharing in their normal misery. I hate to put it like that, but it’s the truth. There really aren’t any “f— all yall” mass gatherings in my neck of the woods–yet everyday, I see some cat lady on facebook screaming and crying about something that should ostensibly only be a local observation, yet she’s linked the Washington Post to scream at her neighbors in Tennessee. Give me a break.

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          • RAGE:

            He seems nice. 😉

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    • W Cobb Dawg

      “So how long are you wanting to keep things shut down? Or am I reading your comment wrong..”

      There’s nothing ambiguous in what I wrote above. It’s simple, concise, and easily understandable. One cannot change the effects of Covid-19 by force of will, nor ignorance, no matter how much a person “wants” that change.

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      • Tony Barnhart

        But you never answered the question or “educated” us as to the science that will tell you when it’s OK to not be shut down.

        If you say wait for a vaccine, I say you are high off your ass. THAT is literally like reducing the interstate speed limit to 40, no matter how many times you groupthink apparatchiks claim the analogy has “been debunked.”

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      • PTC DAWG

        I get it, you want to stay home. I respect that. Stay safe.

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  2. Harold Miller

    There is no way out but through. As Indian Jones said, “I’m just making this up as I go.”

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  3. ZeroPOINTzero

    I can see face mask visors being useful optics. Easy fix with some benefit.

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  4. Just enforce everyone wearing masks at gatherings and inside public places.

    This solves a lot of the problem and I intend to keep doing this indefinitely.

    Except the problem of some not giving a damn about others.

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    • PTC DAWG

      Sort of depends on what organization you want to totally believe and really the day the story came out. Seems to change almost hourly. I think the 6 feet thing does the most protecting. I know wearing a dirty mask isn’t good for anyone. That is one reason Dr’s etc. change theirs so much. The gloves, are a total joke unless you change them after you touch anything. Oh yeah, and the people that throw the gloves/masks down in the parking lot are the worst of the worst.

      Wash your hands, don’t play with your face…stay safe.

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      • Russ

        The mask is to protect others. Here’s an analogy I heard from my kid. Suppose everyone walked around without pants. Now one of those people was peeing indiscriminately. If I put on pants, I’ll still get his pee on me. If he puts on pants, he’ll just have wet pants and everyone else can walk around without getting wet.

        The problem is people who have it and don’t show symptoms are “peeing” on everyone around them if they don’t wear a mask. But their “right” to infect others shall not be infringed upon.

        And people can’t just “stay home”. People have to go to the grocery store, the doctor, the dentist, whatever. There are places people have to go to live. When others don’t wear masks, they are putting those people at risk. Unfortunately, common courtesy (just like common sense) isn’t so common.

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        • Okay. If I enter the local Home Depot with no pants chances are good it’s going to end in a foot pursuit with the local constabulary long before I spontaneously urinate ’cause it’s illegal to not wear pants in public.
          Why isn’t wearing a mask mandatory?

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        • PTC DAWG

          Morale of the story, don’t pee your pants. Or get close enough for others to pee on you.

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          • Russ

            Peeing = breathing.

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            • PTC DAWG

              No shit.

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            • I got the analogy but I’m not sure I agree with it. Where I’m allowed to urinate is restricted. I can’t just let fly in the hose isle of the Home Depot, right?
              Of course, if I had a known issue with bladder control I could wear a garment designed specifically for that condition. I don’t know if I would require everyone else to take the same precautions….
              Why aren’t masks mandatory?

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  5. Union Jack

    Don’t know if you happen to see this Senator, but sports was the subject of Sunday’s Last Week Tonight. I think it is more likely that we will see professional sports before collegiate athletics like football. A “bubble” league could still require up to 10,000 people to be isolated and tested.

    This is definitely worth the 20+minutes. I will not watch the Marble league.

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  6. Normaltown Mike

    “Sorry, dude. My 70+-year-old mother’s, aunt’s, uncle’s, and grandfather’s lives are more important to me than your ability to attend a football game”

    So instead of telling over 70’s to stay home for their own safety, the entire world must stay home indefinitely b/c we might infect an over 70?

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    • 123fakest

      They are also receiving SS each month as well.

      Stay home if you’re old, symptomatic, or compromised.

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    • Russ

      So those over 70 can’t shop for groceries, go to the doctor’s office, or the post office? Or if they do, they have to risk infection from someone who refuses to wear a mask or practice proper hygiene? Seems like “freedom” to me.

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      • Normaltown Mike

        keep moving the goalposts, chief. This thread is about football games – not shopping at Publix or going to your osteopath.

        Covid has revealed Boomers as the new Puritans: beset by the haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy

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        • Russ

          Keep ignoring the obvious, scout. You seem to think it’s a big joke that it’s going to kill some old person somewhere, hence they should just “stay home”. It’s not that easy, but I suspect you know that. Just doesn’t fit your theme for the day.

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      • 123fakest

        Russ: They absolutely can go out, but do it at their own risk.
        Like I said, they’re collecting SS. They’ve already funded their retirement plans.

        But you can’t tell 33 MILLION, I repeat 33 MILLION people, that they can’t go to work because the old folks are scared of being infected with a virus that has a 99.9% survival rate.

        We have to start moving forward and sports plays a large role in our economy, like it or not.

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        • You lost me. What does collecting social security have to do with assuming personal risk?
          While I’m at it, If masks are so effective at stopping transmission of this virus why have they not been made mandatory?

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          • 123fakest

            Cowdog: Those 70+ have already worked and saved money hopefully. They get SS each month. If they are scared of being infected, they can stay at home.

            Younger people need to work in order to live. They don’t have a pension or SS coming in each month. They understand that only a small percentage of infected even go to the hospital, let alone die.

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            • Maybe we shouldn’t single out an age group? If I’m 70+ I’ve put my time in. Maybe you gotdam whippersnappers ought to show a little respect for your elders and at least wear a mask of some sorts when you go to the store. Even though they’re not mandatory. Did I mention that masks aren’t mandatory? I’m not sure why…

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              • 123fakest

                Why not single out those on SS? Have they put in their work? Ya damn right.
                My point is that those younger than that singled out age group are dying too, just in a different way.

                And I agree about the face masks. I work (thankfully) on the front line. My wife works (thankfully) on the front line. We are very careful about being sanitary and keeping our distance from others.

                There is no black and white answer to this health/financial mess. Unfortunately, I’s say 70% of this country is full of idiots with no common sense.

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        • gastr1

          The problem here is that all of our safety from this is still in each others’ hands. My complaints are directed not at the desire to re-open, they’re at the desire to re-open–especially the most risky types of things, sporting events with close proximity among large numbers of people– without any kind of guidelines in place, and at those who refuse to social distance and/or wear a mask in an enclosed environment. (Like, for example, our fucking president. So if any of us wants to know how this got so politicized, start right there.) Can any of us imagine there NOT being mass outrage if masks are required at a UGA home game?

          No, the world doesn’t have to stay home indefinitely. The world should stay six feet apart, wear a mask in enclosed areas, and not gather in large groups, in order to go out. In my world that is not all happening (don’t know about yours, but it looks like not in most of the U.S.), so I have a hard time imagining how we’ll get it to happen at football games if it takes the science too long to get us anything else (which it almost certainly will).

          Comments like “so how long should we stay closed”, “you can just stay home,” “no worse than the flu/car accidents/etc.” just make it sound as though a lot of us are still very indifferent to the risk to the whole, much less the players. But that’s what a steady diet of cultural exceptionalism gets you, I guess.

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          • Brandon M

            This virus is so widespread already (has been the case for nearly 2 months), that nothing is going to stop it, not social distancing, not gloves, not masks, and no, not even a vaccine. The only thing that will eventually stop it, if it doesn’t mutate multiple times before then, is herd immunity. Which means…. you guessed it. At some point or another, you’re probably going to get Covid 19. The original purpose of shutting down the economy and life as we know it was to prevent hospitals from being overrun so that there was no “unnecessarily excessive” loss of life for those who couldn’t get treatment like in Italy. That never happened. Take whatever preventative measures you want. You’re just delaying the inevitable.

            What’s frustrating to me is how many times the goalposts have been moved on this and now the goal is for NO ONE TO DIE, EVER, which simply isn’t realistic, but my point of view makes me a piece of shit who likes killing senior citizens by going into public. The fact is simple. The faster this thing spreads through the population (without overwhelming hospital beds) the sooner we will all be able to move on with our lives. The long-term ramifications of any more extended lockdowns are going to be far more dangerous to health and public safety of far more people than this virus ever will.

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        • Russ

          Never said people can’t go to work. In fact, I’ve said the exact opposite. People have to work. And people (like me) want to retire before I’m 90. But do it safely and don’t act like nothing has changed. Wear a mask. Wash your hands. Follow the recommended hygiene guidelines. Experts agree these are reasonable steps to follow to help lower the risk.

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  7. Faulkner

    Masks can help somewhat but they are not the “force field” you think they are. As well, reusing one can be dangerous in it’s own right. The micron openings in an N95 is .3 microns. Corona on average is .14 microns. Small enough to get past the mask. The blue squares hanging around peoples ears are even more porous than the N95. Top it off with incorrect usage and you can see the issue. Seniors need to do what they think is best for them. Quarantine the sick and immune compromised and lets go about our business.
    And before any of you jump down my throat, I’ve been caring for my 87 and 89 year old parents since this started.

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  8. Over 70 = stay home or die?
    Soylent Green, anyone?

    Not ready to lose my parents or in-laws yet. Oh shit, I’ll be 60 in November. Just 10 more years for me.

    Use some sense and care a little about others. If ya wanna hang at the bar with 100’s of others , cool by me.

    Just wear a mask to protect others when you’re shopping. It’s that simple.

    Damn, have I became the beacon of good sense and reason? Scare me! LOL

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  9. Ray Goff

    Where I live – 30075 zip code population 53,000. Confirmed cases, not deaths, including Cobb county portion, 135. Really? Yeah let’s shut it all down. Give me a fucking break. I may me Ray Goof, but I’m not that dumb. If this is what this website has become, well isn’t that special.

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