Wallet news

In case you were wondering,

A $149.4 million budget was approved, is there a Plan B if games are canceled? Will ticket money and donations be refunded ?

Greg McGarity: (On the alternative budget issues)it’s all dependent on the definition of mass gatherings, if it’s 50 percent occupancy (at the stadium), or 25 percent, or everybody can come.We just don’t know. We’ll know more at the end of this month, and we’ll know a lot more by August 1st. At some point in time, we know we have to be very clear in communicating what our plan will be.

“But that’s not important today. That will come into play in the next couple of months. We don’t really need to go in that direction right now because our first home game is not until September.

“(On the ticket refund question), Yeah, I think it’ll be consistent with baseball (refunds) as far as that, though we were into the (baseball) season. We would honor those requests in the event we had to go in that direction. That’s included in our projections and everything, the what-ifs and what might happen, so we can at least have an idea what to look for when and if that happens.”

He’s right that there’s no reason to make a final call this far in advance.  And I expected that football ticket cancellations would be treated the same way B-M handled baseball.  But notice that nothing was said about Hartman Fund contributions in the event there isn’t a way to allow for full capacity at Sanford Stadium this season.

It’s kind of a big deal, too.

Georgia reported Thursday it already has sold more than 56,000 season tickets, a school record after expanding the number available after last season.

No wonder Morehead said, “Personally, I’m hoping that we don’t have to put any restrictions on at Sanford Stadium.”

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UPDATE:  I haven’t been able to find a direct quote about a refund for donations if seats are doles out on a piecemeal basis, but, to be fair, I’ll post what I could find on it from Seth Emerson ($$):

McGarity, asked if fans would be refunded the full ticket cost and their donation if not allowed to attend this year, appeared to say they would.

“Yeah, I think it’ll be consistent with (college) baseball as far as that, though we were into the season,” McGarity said. “We would honor those requests in the event we had to go in that direction. That’s included in our projections and everything, the what-ifs and what might happen, so we can at least have an idea what to look for when and if that happens.”

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  1. ATL Dawg

    The second linked article (the Chip Towers one) says this in reference to reduced capacity…

    “McGarity did say that ticket holders would be refunded not just for the price of the tickets, but also for the donations that are required for the right to purchase the seats.”

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    • I saw that, but I can’t find a quote from McGarity that says that specifically, or a question to him that asked that specifically. If you know of one, send me the link so I can add it to the post.

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      • ATL Dawg

        Marc Weiszer’s article has one. Thanks for posting about this.

        https://www.onlineathens.com/sports/20200604/uga-athletic-board-approves-rsquo21-budget-how-football-season-unfolds-could-bring-changes

        The school will refund tickets purchased and donations pledged for the right to purchase the tickets if needed.

        “That’s included in our projections and everything, the what-ifs and what might happen, so we can at least have an idea what to look for when and if that happens,” McGarity said.

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        • Maybe I’m splitting hairs, but what I haven’t seen is what will happen in the event there’s partial seating, or, as was the case with baseball, the season starts and then is shut down midway.

          I’m pretty sure if no fans are allowed from start to finish, they’ll refund contributions. And I would think the same would be the case if they chose to allow a limited number of fans to attend all the games. But if there’s a rotation allowing every season ticket holder a bite at the apple, or part of the games are fully attended, I don’t think they’ve made plans in those cases.

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          • ATL Dawg

            I’d be willing to bet that they’ve made plans (or are making plans) for all of these different situations. If they haven’t (or aren’t), that would be very uncharacteristic for an organization as risk-averse as they are. They obviously don’t want to discuss this and are saying as little as possible, so the details of specific scenarios are going to be tough to get out of them.

            They can certainly take a cheapskate approach if they choose and risk pissing off their customers. But that would be a bold strategy considering the health and economic impact the pandemic is probably going to have on 2021 renewals (not to mention the putrid 2021 home schedule). They got away with it this year because their customers were already locked in when the pandemic hit in mid-March due to the fact that seat license fees (aka “required donations”) were due in mid-February.

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            • I think it’s going to be a very difficult decision they face if they can only seat a portion of the fan base that bought season tickets. And my bet is they will put off making that decision as long as humanly possible.

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              • ATL Dawg

                I agree except that I think they already have it planned out or are well into the process of planning it. However, giving details to the public is a different matter.

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                • ATL Dawg

                  FWIW, McGarity indicated last week that they’re ready…

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    • I’m betting the AA offers people Hartman points if they don’t accept the refund … double points for the Hartman contribution and single for the season ticket refund. Someone who contributes $1,000 to Hartman for 2 season tickets ($820) would receive an additional 1,820 points in their cumulative total.

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      • ATL Dawg

        Many other schools have already communicated to their customers what the different options will be and they’re all pretty much the same:

        a) straight refund
        b) let them keep the money (or some of the money) as a donation and you get to take 100% of it as a tax deduction
        c) roll it over to 2021 (some are offering a bonus benefit for doing this)

        UGA is going to offer some kind of incentive to let them hang on to the money (they already previously mentioned they would – sorry, I don’t have the article or articles handy). Your idea seems plausible but who knows what they’ve got planned.

        I will say that extra points added to your total doesn’t mean a heck of a lot now that the Magill Society scheme has inflated point totals to the heavens. For me personally, I’m not going to get any benefit from having 2-3k points added to my total.

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        • Those aren’t the options I’m referring to. I’m looking at who will be allowed to attend: large donors only, random selection, tiered offer based on donation size? Those aren’t going to be fun choices for B-M, which is why I have no doubt of Morehead’s sincerity with that quote.

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          • ATL Dawg

            I know they aren’t what you’re referring to. I was just responding to eethomas’ comment about what they’re going to offer people to not take the refund option.

            I agree that this isn’t fun for B-M. And I agree that Morehead’s quote is sincere…at least in the sense that they don’t want to deal with this. It comes across to me as a sales line that meshes with what McGarity says about not wanting to communicate anything until they have to.

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        • Gaskilldawg

          You wrote:
          “I will say that extra points added to your total doesn’t mean a heck of a lot now that the Magill Society scheme has inflated point totals to the heavens. For me personally, I’m not going to get any benefit from having 2-3k points added to my total.”

          My sentiments exactly. I have been in the Hartman Fund since Vince Dooley was coaching and every year my out of town and Florida tickets got better and better. Then, despite an ever increasing Hartman score, I started being shut out of away tickets and my Florida tickets got worse and worse seating. I am with you. Now the only value to my Hartman Fund score is that I get to keep the same season ticket locations and a pack of UGA playing cards.

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        • I agree about the Hartman points and their devaluation. It’s like the airlines have done with airline miles.

          Until I see what the proposal is going to be, it’s hard for me to say what I would ask in terms of my potential refund. Even if I get my tickets and the requirements to attend aren’t what I’m interested in (for example, wearing a mask at a noon game against East Tennessee State in September), I’ll be finding alternatives to attendance.

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  2. Ken Wilkinson

    All politics on hold for the moment, we will learn a lot about this disease and crowds gathering over the next 2 weeks. I bet the University Presidents are watching for more reasons than the state of the union.

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  3. HiAltDawg

    I get F/S tix and would prefer no refund (the money’s spent and not the hit others pay and I feel extremely fortunate to be in the position I’m in). As much as it pains me to compliment UGA, they’ve been good to me in this foolishness (including allowing me access to my office with little restrictions). I actually hate only having two seats as I’ll be lending my tix to others because I have zero desire to jump through the hoops for whatever a limited capacity game looks like. I would feel uncomfortable attending a game at half price for five years of work if a season ticket holder of 20+ years (the people getting shit on constantly) has to stay home.

    Of course, this year is easy. I wonder what my “virtuous” piety would be like if Norte Dame was coming to town…

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  4. KornDawg

    This is what I consider reasonable: If we have limited capacity, say for example 50%, they split up the games so we all get three games. My lowly standing on the list, I have less than 10K points, started getting tix in 2005, would likely get me one directional school, Vandy, and one of Auburn/Tenn/Tech. And I’d expect a full refund for the games I don’t get, and maybe half of my donation. But as with everything else, we’ll see.

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