Get together, have a little chat

Just a reminder that Sankey and the boys are scheduled to meet today.

Obviously, with the decisions by the Big Ten and the Pac-12 and the pending decision from the ACC, the status quo train has already left the station.  Alabama and Georgia have already lost their lucrative season openers and the end of season cross-conference rivalries that teams in the SEC East play annually are toast, as well.

They could continue to kick the can down the road, I suppose, but I’m not sure to what end.  Nobody is reversing course and those cancelled games aren’t coming back.

So, do you think they read the writing on the wall and go ahead and announce a conference-only schedule for this season?  If so, how many games do they plan on playing?

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  1. ApalachDawg aux Bruxelles

    if we have a season…
    8 game conference only schedule (based on the 8 conf games already on the 2020 books) 4 to be played in October and 4 to be played in in the first four weeks of November(thanksgiving week bye for sec east and sec west teams)
    + sec conference championship game in ATL

    no bowl games or cfp playoffs

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    • I don’t think they’ll compress the season that much. I keep thinking about what Bowlsby said last week about using the shorter schedule to allow for more open weeks to compensate for potential virus outbreaks.

      And I’ll believe they don’t have a CFP when I see it. No way they’re walking away from that much money.

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  2. Paul

    I think they kick the can. This whole thing could miraculously go away in two weeks! Or not. But they won’t voluntarily give up the money until the last second.

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  3. 9 games – take next year’s rotating opponent and move it up. The West hosts the rotating opponent this year. The East hosts the 9th game played as an opener as scheduled for 2021. The league needs this to lessen the impact on the TV package since everyone is going to be paying out large ticket refunds. Problem solved.

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    • 9 is manageable in a shorten 2020 season (?), given lack of staff/student athlete contact, this may allow for more coaching, plus some healing time might work also…$ec goe$ for ten game$

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      • Why play 10 when everyone else is going to play 9? What happens to a 2-loss SEC champion in that scenario for the playoff especially if the other champions have 1 or fewer losses?

        Clemson and Ohio State are going to be 9-0 (and win their CC games). Oklahoma could do exactly what they did last year 8-1 in league play and win their game. Let’s say Oregon wins the Pac 12 title with 1 loss. A 9-2 SEC champion is out in that scenario.

        8 games aren’t enough. 10 plus the SECCG has too much risk. 9 is the number, and it can be done with the least impact on scheduling.

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        • Why play 10 when everyone else is going to play 9?

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          • I get that angle. If that’s the only driver, play 12 and dare the virus and the committee to keep an SEC champion out of the playoff. If money was the primary driver, plan for 90,000 in attendance and tell everyone “sorry” if they want a refund because they don’t want to attend.

            Uniformity is probably a good idea this year for playoff selection. 9 seems like the right number to minimize dollar impact (see my comment about scheduling from last week – replacing a bunch of baby seal clubbings with 7 conference games), to spread the health risk to players, and keep the conference champion most viable for a playoff spot.

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            • I don’t think it’s the only driver. They’re trying to find the happy medium.

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              • That’s why I believe 9 ends up as the answer. That’s the happy medium unless you intentionally set up that 10th game to be the equivalent of a baby seal clubbing for the teams you anticipate to be at the top.

                Vandy @ Bama
                Miss State @ Georgia
                Tennessee @ LSU
                Arkansas @ Florida
                South Carolina @ Auburn
                Missouri @ Texas A&M
                Ole Miss @ Kentucky

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        • ee…what do you mean a 2 loss sec champion, UGA will have 1 loss at the most….(praying, as i don’t believe UGA can take down the bammers twice in the same year, once..yes)

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          • I’m playing out the possible scenario. Add more games than your peers increases the likelihood of another loss. That’s why if the SEC went to 10, they’ll set the schedule such that the anticipated best teams will play at home against an overmatched opponent to reduce the risk of a loss. In other words, I don’t see the SEC matching up Georgia and LSU for that 10th game.

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  4. Gaskilldawg

    Interesting question about the 2 “neutral site” SEC games if the conference elects a reduced attendance of no attendance policy. I don’t know Arlington, Texas’s arrangement with Arkansas and T A& M but I do know Jacksonville pays us and UF a lot of money and UGA’s travel expenses only because Jacksonville gets thousands of fans from out of town spending money.
    Why play the game in Jacksonville if fans cannot attend? Would Jacksonville not wish to pay for a zero fan or reduced fan game?
    I wonder if attendance policy is on the table today.

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    • I have a feeling the Cocktail Party will be in Athens this year. Dopey/Sideshow/Portal Master MuLLLet is going to raise hell about it, but there is absolutely no reason to play the game in Jacksonville in front of no fans or a very limited number of fans and have both teams travel. I imagine Jacksonville will enforce the force majeure clause in the current contract unless they are really worried about losing the game at the end of the next contract.

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  5. CB

    Few things. First, no matter what they decide it ultimately amounts to the can getting kicked down the road. Second, can anyone explain to me what limiting to conference only really accomplishes? Wouldn’t it make more sense to go P5 only? If we’re willing to play Virginia and tech idk why they wouldn’t be willing to play us.

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  6. Atticus

    Let me ask you a couple of questions: What is the reason for eliminating non conference games? And if that criteria/reason is met how is that not affected by playing 9 other games? What is the criteria that says yes we play a season or no we do not? We know you said they are playing because they are greedy but if they are greedy then they would play regardless. But they can’t because there is some arbitrary and undefined benchmark (oh no cases are spreading!) that nobody has a clue on and the media is out of control and morally corrupt. Deaths have been going down for 10 weeks! Cases have been going up because they are testing a approximately 600,000 a week (and finding out as the CDC said that 10x the amount of cases have likely had it) vs 100,000 in April. Florida had a week of 70,000 new cases and yet had 130 more in ICU and 45 deaths in one day a 4000 in a state of 21 million, how can that be? I ask again, what would you say is the basis for playing or not playing?

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    • The given reason is that within a conference, the protocols will be consistent. I’m a little skeptical of that on the P5 level, because I think the resources are there across the board to test and protect the players. (I also don’t get why it’s okay to cancel a home game with GT, who only has to get on a bus to come play, and replace that with a road game against an SEC West opponent that will require a plane flight.)

      I’m not going to get into a numbers debate about COVID with you, but I think, if nothing else, bad PR scares the shit out of the schools and conferences. There is no good way to spin players getting sick when they aren’t getting paid to play, especially when one of the main considerations for playing is so that schools will get paid.

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      • “Bad PR scares the shit out of the schools”

        That’s the explanation right there.

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        • Atticus

          Exactly so why are we discussing this? As if its going to go away in a few weeks?

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          • I know … they are trying to do everything they can to pull out a season for many reasons (money is a big one). The outcome is likely to be conference-only with no fans.

            I just wish they would go ahead and make the call, so I can decide how much golf I plan to play this fall.

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            • Atticus

              But my question is this based on what you just said…..what does eliminating 3 non conference games do as far as risk is concerned? No way they play with no fans. Not happening.

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              • I’m speaking of this from a conference commissioner’s standpoint (this is not my opinion):

                Eliminating the OOC games at least puts everyone on the same testing and isolation protocol.

                They will play with no fans in the stands because half (or 3/4 of a loaf) is better than none. The TV contract means a lot to all of the schools in the league. The individual schools can survive a year with ticket refunds. Many can’t survive without the TV money.

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                • Atticus

                  If it were the NFL I would agree, they have a union and CBA. College players do not. If college students can’t be there then college students can’t play a full contact sport. Not happening. And if people were rational. Which they are not.

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                • I agree with everything you stated … it’s my reason I’ll be sitting out the season if fans aren’t involved.

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            • Ee, you’ve noted in the past that you would not participate if fans were not allowed and I get your reasoning. What about limited fan access?
              And curious for myself, should UGA’s offense lives up to it’s potential could you stay away from watching Kirby and the gang seal club their way through the east? I don’t know that I could.
              FWIW, If they do allow limited access? I’ll go ahead and concede the 200 level and boxes for big donors at Stanford, their gonna get what they want. Otherwise, let the students have it? They’ll be noisy enough. Of course maintaining SD and face coverings among a few thousand intoxicated students would be a lost cause at best.

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              • GC, limited fan access? It depends on how that is defined. If it’s high donors and players’/recruits’ families only, I probably will not watch from home. If students aren’t allowed but I end up getting tickets, I’ll likely give my tickets to my daughter for the season because I want her to have the experience. I may watch in that case (but maybe not). If I receive a full refund for my season tickets, I’ll be playing golf on Saturdays this fall (I’m not going to pay a secondary market premium for what is likely to be a lousy even for our standards fan experience this season). At best, I’ll fast forward through games or watch some highlights. I won’t be planning my entire day around a 4 hour time block.

                If the team plays well and has a chance to win a championship, I’m just not sure that’s going to be enough for me. There is something about walking into Sanford Stadium that makes it special for me. If that privilege isn’t afforded to me this year, I just don’t think I want to be part of it in 2020.

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            • Wonder if/when the “sign the waiver” comes around.

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              • Also Saban will demand 90k waiver signatures or you arent man enough.

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              • I doubt there will a “sign the waiver” to attend. Your waiver will be printed on the back of your ticket or in the terms you agree to on an electronic ticket. The holder of the ticket waives their right to sue on the successful scan of the ticket at the entry gate. There will be signs placed at every entry gate reminding people that the universities are not liable if you contract a communicable disease not limited to COVID-19 while on the premises.

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      • Atticus

        You 2nd paragraph is exactly my point. If deaths have been going down for 10 weeks then obviously that is NOT the criteria. Cases (and yes bad PR by a corrupt media machine–don’t spin it otherwise) is clearly the criteria and if so this is a complete waste of time talking about it because they will NOT go down when we have to open up (except in critical ICU areas) and we know the virus has/will spread into the 20-40 millions. Does anyone actually believe that with increased testing and an open society–back in schools etc… that cases will go down? That is beyond clueless to me. Let me state it clearly they are, and will continue to go up until we have a vaccine (which won’t work) or we reach herd immunity (which will). Neither will happen before we play football. 100% agree, a player should be forced to play football if they can be exposed to Covid. Personal responsibility what a concept.

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        • Like it or not, this is the world we’re in right now:

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          • Atticus

            WTF does that mean? TX has a population of 29 million and has had 3,216 deaths. How many people die in TX in that same time period? I don’t like it and I think its BS and our leaders are failures.

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            • You may think it’s BS, but Houston has gotten a lot of attention in the last two weeks.

              Ole Miss and Baylor are scheduled to play there first week of the season.

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              • Atticus

                Of course they have, Houston has a wave of cases and in certain areas risk has to be considered and addressed. But facts and numbers don’t lie. 29 million in TX. How many have died in TX? 3216. How many in Houston? How many in Houston die every day? Ole Miss and Baylor are not playing there so that is irrelevant.

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                • Russ

                  Well, even with our world class medical center, we still have ICUs that are full and turning patients away/sending them to other cities, so it’s not all media bullshit.

                  To your question about how we move forward, I think we’ll have to have hospital capacity (which we don’t really have right now) and a reliable, repeatable treatment method. I think the doctors are getting better at treating this as understanding of the virus grows. Finally, some version of herd immunity along with a vaccine will be the best we will ever get, and then we’ll just have to move forward. The risk isn’t going away anytime soon, but with hospitals at capacity and Houston about to reinstate lockdowns again, we’re not past the first step yet.

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            • Paul

              You are correct that our leaders are failures. Both sides of the aisle. Every single one one of them at virtually every level of government. I had a longer comment I deleted because I thought it might be playpen content. I hope this post isn’t inappropriate.

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          • Derek

            They used a biased font setting.

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          • Atticus

            By the way if that clown did his homework he would know that that 43 page obit was for ALL year and for ALL DEATHS. Or likely he did but he hates Trump so much he would do something so reprehensible. Morally bankrupt.

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        • Derek

          Florida’s highest daily recorded death toll:

          July 9th.

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          • Atticus

            Show me the graph that shows progressive increases in deaths. I saw one posting in California that said deaths were WAY up and it listed going from 23 to 31 in one day. Its a joke. Florida has has 4,200 deaths in a state of 21 million. 70,000 cases in a week but yes not a huge difference in ICU beds. Look up how many die there each day from every cause.

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        • Paul

          Deaths are a lagging indicator. As cases skyrocket (which they are) and hospitalizations increase (which they are) deaths will eventually follow (which they will). That‘s the bad PR everyone is worried about. Those deaths will include some younger people, though they aren’t the most susceptible. If one of those is an athlete then then all heck breaks loose. It will only take one. The schools want to be a able to say ‘we did everything that we could to provide the safest possible environment.’

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          • Atticus

            A lagging indicator for 11 weeks? 11 weeks deaths have been going down. Show me the graph where Covid hospitalizations have been going up. And pull the graph that shows the # of testes each of the last 3 months. It has increased dramatically. We know general hospitalizations have been increasing because for 90 days all elective surgery was cancelled. So many of those have been forged to go back in. And guess what , they are all tested. And guess what… as the CDC said, a large % of the population ha already had it so they are testing positive.

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            • Derek

              Texas and Florida both set daily highs in covid deaths on 7/9/20.

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              • Atticus

                Ok, then show me the graph on progressive deaths in both states the last 2 weeks and then we can track it going forward.

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                • The Playpen is where a COVID numbers debate belongs.

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                • Atticus

                  Ok, I am done my apology. So deaths are debatable? Is there such a thing as truth?

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                • You are missing the point. The post is about what the SEC plans on doing with regard to scheduling.

                  You’re off topic. If you want to discuss this, be my guest, but do it in the Playpen.

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                • Atticus

                  Ok, I understand. I thin its completely relevant to what the SEC plans to do. I only started that discussion because its exactly how and why they are setting criteria out for how to proceed forward. And my point was they have no clue. Its never been stated. And its progressed this way for ONE reason. An increase of cases with no context. But I will stop. My apology

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            • Paul

              New cases haven’t been spiking for eleven weeks.

              Nationally, new COVID-19 cases have risen every week for five straight weeks. Thirty-three states, mostly in the West and South, reported more new cases of COVID-19 last week compared to the previous week, the analysis found.

              Deaths, which health experts say are a lagging indicator, continued to fall nationally to 3,447 people in the week ended July 5. A handful of states, however, have reported increases in deaths for at least two straight weeks including Alabama, Florida, South Carolina, Texas and Tennessee.

              https://graphics.reuters.com/HEALTH-CORONAVIRUS/USA-TRENDS/dgkvlgkrkpb/

              Hospitalizations going up in Georgia. This is also true in other states but here’s one example close to home.

              Current Hospitalizations: 2,322, a new record. That’s an increase of 107 patients in 24 hours. Current hospitalization numbers are reported by Georgia hospitals to the Department of Public Health. The count includes any patient in a Georgia hospital who has tested positive for COVID-19 at the time of the report. This count does not include patients who are being investigated for possible infection by health officials. The Associated Press reports 82% of Georgia’s critical care beds are now in use. In some hospital regions, like Columbus’ Region I, less than 10 critical care beds are available, according to the state’s emergency management agency. Not every patient in a critical care bed has COVID-19.

              Read more here: https://www.macon.com/news/coronavirus/article244115532.html#storylink=cpy

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              • Atticus

                What health experts? You mean the ones that told us 2 million deaths and then over 200,000 after the shutdown. The ones that told us masks were not needed and now they are? Hospitalizations are up because elective surgeries were postponed for 90 days. Now they are going back in and everyone is being tested. And most show positive because as your health experts told us (CDC) over 25 million people have had it. Look up the last 12 weeks and number of tests that have been done. Cases have been increasing because we have to live life and we are testing so much more.

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            • “And pull the graph that shows the # of testes each of the last 3 months.”

              That graph’s been stuck on 2 for the past 3 months, for most of us.

              (Sorry, couldn’t resist.)

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      • This is the discourse needed between the questions and response. Miss this stuff.

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  7. A lot of people are asking the wrong questions.

    It’s pointless to cancel non-conference games and announce a truncated schedule when you have NO PLAN for what you’re going to do when several players on your team test positive.

    I want to know, once the eventuality occurs — a single player or staff tests positive:
    1) who do they test at that point. everyone else? no one else that isn’t already scheduled to be tested that day?
    2) when do they test them? immediately? only if they’re showing symptoms?
    3) how long must positive case(s) be quarantined?
    4) do they also plan to quarantine those who’ve been in contact with positive case(s) or only positive and “presumptive” cases (pending test results)
    5) Is there a trigger for forfeiture? Like, if a certain % of a team is in quarantine on game day does team forfeit? Will game be re-scheduled? If so, what is the % threshold?
    6) What if it’s only 2 players…. but it’s your starting QB and star running back?
    7) What happens if a player has not tested positive, and has no symptoms, except a little shortness of breath. And they don’t tell anyone? And they die on the field?

    Ha. On #7, I know already someone wants to reply “THIS VIRUS ISN’T A DANGER TO YOUNG PEOPLE.” But how do you know it’s not a greater danger to young people playing in extreme heat, under extreme physical demands and exertion?

    ?????????????????????????????????????????

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  8. Castleberry

    I think they’ll be discussing more than the number of conference games. At this point, I presume there won’t be fans. If so, that makes it much easier to move games to Thursday & Friday. Especially with the potential for bigger gaps in the schedule. That gives the world wide leader more prime time SEC content.

    Convince me I’m wrong.

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    • The SEC has specifically stated they won’t play on Friday nights. I could see it only if high school football is cancelled across the entire SEC footprint.

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    • This is fair to bring up. Not just SEC though

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    • Atticus

      Convince me how that is going to happen when they have no basis or criteria for playing with risk and they have no union or CBA? There is 0% possibility of this happening. I can’t convince you because its not reality. College students will not play in a full contact sport if cases are the narrative and if no college students are allowed in the stands. If its too risky for humans to sit outside it certainly is not going to work with a full contact sport and locker rooms and with many teenagers with parents and not single college bargaining.

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      • Castleberry

        I’m pretty sure they’ll do what the ADs say. It sounds like your point is that there’s no way they’re playing. I’m saying that IF they play, it could and likely will be at various time slots to maximize $s for ESPN.

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        • Atticus

          What color is the sky in your world? You think players HAVE to play if the ADs say so? Seriously? Yeah I am sure that will go over well in the media and the courts and with parents. LOL. Yes my point is unless they change the criteria there is 0% chance they play 3 games. They either never start or they start and then Chicken Little and the media cries cases are increasing! and a few players get it and it will all come crashing down.

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          • Castleberry

            HAVE is your word. I believe they will play if they get the chance. This was a post about scheduling and I was responding on topic.

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      • I really don’t see how they can have no students on campus but still have football. That reeks of some strong hypocrisy. Makes it brutally clear to the casual person that it’s about the money. And I think a lot of people on football rosters with no big future may say screw it.

        No fans, no students, but keep on playing is gonna be a really bad look. And it could be looked at as systemized racism if it gets spun that way, which everything gets weaponized, so why not

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  9. W Cobb Dawg

    Two things will come out of today’s meeting:
    1) It’ll be an all-SEC season; and,
    2) Greg Mediocrity will agree we play away at aubie instead of home.

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    • Castleberry

      Well played on the Auburn comment, Sir. Perhaps we can play them there twice.

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    • The Dawg abides

      I know you’re half joking about Auburn, but I wouldn’t be surprised in the least if he caved to us playing in Gainesville if Jax is out, even though it’s our home game this year. And if the plan is to play with no fans, then there is absolutely no reason to play the game in Jax. Zero. It’s unnecessary travel for two teams. Everyone is still free to take their fall beach/party weekend to the area though and watch on tv.

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  10. Castleberry

    Praying to the SEC football gods that one topic is moving Mizzou to the west on an emergency basis…. for safety. It’s a bad look when we can’t play tech but we can get on a plane to Columbia, Missouri. We could add an extra conference game to keep any cross division rivalries alive.

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    • It’s not about distance to about positive control within a conference and following the same guidelines from the conference. The sec bosses control Missouri, not Georgia Tech

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  11. FlyingPeakDawg

    Standards for testing and playing will be announced along with failure to comply penalties. McG will immediately blurt out that we have failed some of the protocols already and UGA will preemptively declare forfeitures for the entire season. Florida wins the East and Mullen is declared SEC coach of the year. UGA stars all jump in the portal. Kirby calls Mark Richt and says “Now I understand.”

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  12. BuffaloSpringfield

    For What it’s Worth:
    Rumor has it that the Meeting today is that agreements on Spring football with practice starting the 2nd. week of Feb. which collides with NSD. First games 2nd.-3rd. of March with a end date in June.
    That is if it’s not totally trashed before then. High school sports will be a no go.
    If there is a season:
    How does the NCCAer’s handle the team numbers?
    What happens to the players that are draft worthy and choose to get their degree on line finishing up with fall semester?
    In recruiting this year high school players have already committed at a rate unlike any year. What then happens to the committed recruits when they are turned away from chosen school in a numbers crunch?

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  13. The announcement is they are waiting to make an announcement

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