Today, in clickbait

It’s now safe to say that Justin Fields was the better quarterback option than Jake Fromm. The 2019 season pretty definitively proved that…

Hindsight is undefeated.

I can’t help but wonder what ol’ Connor was thinking about Fromm and Fields at the time Smart made the obvious call to start the quarterback who led his team to a Rose Bowl win and came within a whisker of winning a national title as a true freshman quarterback, though.

Anyway, this is food for thought for his real question — what did Kirby Smart learn from doing something that nobody in America thought was the wrong decision (outside of the Fields clan, that is)?  And how will he apply the lesson to a completely different set of facts?

We’ll learn the answer to that in a couple of years, after Riley has the opportunity to look back and reflect on what Kirby should have known then.

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50 responses to “Today, in clickbait

  1. Derek

    I hope he learned that playing the back up in a situational role like Urban did with Tebow in 2006 is preferable to the DJ Shockley/Fields in 2018 model.

    The biggest unknown is what the parties stated expectations were going into 2018 and how reality impacted both of them.

    It will be apparent to any reasonable person, eventually, that Fields is the better player. Arguing that he was the best qb for uga in 2018 is just dumb, not that it won’t stop people from being dumb.

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    • MGW

      I would imagine an unspoken holy grail of CFB is the secret sauce of how Urban Meyer and Dan Mullen managed to accomplish the Leek/Tebow two QB system so smoothly and effectively. It’s easy to say “just put the better runner in at the goal line” but doing that without being too predictable and without hurting morale is nothing I’ve seen since.

      Really wish Kirby could have figured that out in 2018, but don’t think that’s simple at all, and probably requires not only coaching ability, but the correct personalities in the two QB’s. That might have been the issue in 2018, and I think it is a bigger issue when class separation is as small as it was between Fields and Fromm; as in Leek knew he was gone the next year and Tebow knew he was the guy after Leek left; it wasn’t a competition at all. Fields and Fromm were much more of competitors as Fromm could have been there three years with Fields, leaving Fields only one to show out alone. The message to Fields would alternatively have been “we’d like you to exclusively beat yourself up for three years, then start.” Tougher pill for a top two overall recruit to swallow than doing it for just one year.

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      • MGW

        Side note: perhaps being forced to compete against a freshman after being a major contributor to a near national title and SEC championship soured Fromm a little and contributed to his early departure?

        Cause as good as the new guys look, I’m sure Monken and Smart would love to have a veteran who “knows the drill” and is established among the team to lead this new offense. Frankly it seemed to be the clear smartest decision (and again with the hindsight… it would have been) for Fromm to stay and try to pull a Burrow in a revamped offense after a down year, yet he left.

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        • Derek

          They may have let him know they were bringing in a transfer.

          We’ll never know.

          Quite frankly I’m ready to see a kid who has some mobility.

          I want some extended plays and cheap first downs and knowing that the defense has not a clue as to what to do on short yardage or goal line.

          The kid was a gamer and tough but you couldn’t give him the game when nothing else was working and get the w against a good defense.

          Hence 0-6 with over 30 attempts.

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          • MGW

            Maybe. I would have been pleased if Fromm stayed, but I gotta admit I’m excited to see a mobile QB at Georgia (long as he’s actually allowed to keep it on the read option).

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        • No way. From left bc is arrogantly thought he was getting a hire draft. It had nothing to do with anyone else. You’re literary saying having to compete was too hard? And we have a QB that “knows the drill” and is as familiar with monken as anyone else.

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          • MGW

            Didn’t say competing was too hard at all, or that the Fields thing was the reason he left; just a POSSIBLE factor. Just saying that the concept of loyalty to team and coach ahead of yourself is challenged when you’re a proven player, but you’re still made to compete and even give up snaps in important games to that competition. So when the time comes to decide whether to declare of stick around for a championship, you might not consider that side of things as much, if at all. It’s not so much a breach of trust or loyalty, just really feeling the business side of things, then acting accordingly when it’s your turn.

            As far as knowing the drill, Smart doesn’t let new coordinators force his players to adopt new terminology (I think… that’s how Saban does it and that’s who Smart learned from), you fit your system into Smart’s team’s terminology, to say nothing of general player cohesiveness, leadership, trust/rapport among players, and timing with receivers. So while Newman or Daniels may turn out to be better, there would have been extreme value in a veteran QB, especially given the lack of spring practice.

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            • It’s not a possible factor. CAPS doesn’t change it. That’s just making stuff up. Fields wasnt even there last year From left to get paid. And this whole kirby system thing makes no sense with regard to a new OC. It made my head hurt. As proven by fields and burrow last year this whole rapport timing thing is bunk. We have an experienced veteran QB also, who has as much time with new OC as anyone. Fromm left to get paid. This is crazy train crazy logic stuff you’re coming up with. Makes me dizzy. Out

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      • Will (the other one)

        I think Fields also probably had a few doubts after not getting multiple series in the 2nd half vs LSU even though Fromm was terrible in that game…and no series at all vs UF in the next game. Fromm balled out vs UF…but he was terrible vs LSU and the coaches didn’t even let Fields throw a pass.
        The upside is we didn’t have to see Fields wasted in Coley’s trash offense but that feels like the pivot moment to me.

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        • addr

          That LSU game was the biggest head scratcher for me, and where I first started believing that Fields didn’t really get a fair shot. Jake, DGD that he is, was hot garbage in that game (along with the rest of the offense), so there was literally nothing to lose by giving Fields a chance.

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  2. FlyingPeakDawg

    Other than being poorly written, lacking in detail, rehashing old news, showing no effort at research and arising to a poor conclusion I really found that article spot on.

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  3. Greg

    Hopefully, to not cave in to pressure. Pick your guy & stick with him, bring your backup in when it is called for…

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  4. tbia

    My 2 cents.

    The key word in Connor’s article is given. If Fields was given. Quite honestly, I don’t believe there is a single Georgia fan who watched the action in 2018 that would not say Fields was the more talented quarterback, and were saying it at the time. But with that said….

    …there was never a moment when they were both enrolled at the University of Georgia that Fields had earned the starting quarterback roll. There was not a moment where he was the better (notice I don’t use the phrase more talented) quarterback. I think had he stayed for Spring 19 that he would have had a chance to earn the job. I have to believe Kirby when he says that.

    As for Daniels, two things at play. He is a COVID or injury insurance policy, and he is the bridge to Vandagriff, who will not be ready as a freshman. Kirby looked at Stetson as QB2 last year and will never let that happen again. The losers in Daniels coming in are Mathis and Beck.

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  5. I take issue with your characterization that it wasn’t considered the wrong decision at the time. Tons of folks thought letting the highest rated recruit ever (especially after what Trevor Lawrence did that year) walk in favor of a guy that had obvious physical limitations at the position was the wrong, if 100% understandable, decision at the time.

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    • Derek

      Those “tons” didn’t exactly have a good answer to make that happen. Do you tell Fields he’s the 2019 starter after the SECCG? I wanted the kid to stay badly, but it was up to him and you couldn’t hand him the job.

      The kid either wanted to compete for the job at UGA for 2019 or take an open seat in columbus.

      As easy a choice as that sounds it appears that fields still struggled with it.

      The whole thing is unfortunate timing. As it is we’ll have Watson, Fields and Lawrence being multi year starters in the nfl, all ga hs qbs, and not a one made a start at georgia.

      Pretty fucking sad imho.

      Hopefully the kid from Bogart will make me feel better about all this.

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    • It was very poor to Recruit the number one quarterback and then manage him that poorly. He has such amazing talent and for him not to play and sit for years would be a travesty. And we really really needed him in 2019. You don’t have to have a 2 quarterback system to fold in your backup to get quality time. Our quarterback Room was mismanaged and mis coached but I feel very confident in the changes made now.

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      • dawgman3000

        ^^^BINGO^^^

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      • Gurkha Dawg

        When Fields signed with us I said, barring an injury, he would never start and would be gone at the end of year one. I didn’t know why we recruited him. I agreed he was a great talent, but there was no way he was going to beat out Fromm in 2018 after the way Fromm lead the team in 2017. The whole thing was doomed from the get go.

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    • DawgPhan

      It is certainly revisionist history, to be sure.

      Smart mismanaged the situation, no need to act like he didnt, but he clearly did and it was clear to a lot of people at the time he was doing it. That whole season it was clear that they were going to make no effort to keep him engaged and on campus.

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      • Fromm took the team within a gnat’s ass of an MNC in ’17. The job was Fromm’s to lose after that and Fields wasn’t able to do it. To the point of Kirby’s mismanagement, the situations he put JF in did not help at all, I’ll agree with you there.
        Kirby’s biggest miss was not selling JF on a redshirt season and that was probably out of his hands anyway.

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  6. Mr senator – Just wanted to say I appreciate this place as a one stop shop for all things college football and for Georgia. This is the last of a breed. I’m laid up today with severe knee pain and it’s nice to have a place to hang out. Plus it’s nice to not have to click on AJC. When you hang up the cleats, the days of personal sports blogs would just about be done for good.

    /hattip

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    • Sorry you’re not feeling good, brother. Glad I can help at least a little.

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    • Greg

      Feel the same for the most part. Hope your knee feels better, I know the feeling.

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    • FlyingPeakDawg

      It’s a bitch getting old brother.

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      • Damn sure beats the alternative….
        RICE Chuck and get better soon…

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        • Yeah thank you. Actually Got surgery for my right knee because I couldn’t stand my right hip pain anymore due to compensation. Was able to do it locally, through the VA with the new deal that trump put into place to use local doctor, which that part was cool. But took months to get the surgery, then it took months to get PT, that they didn’t add with surgery. Because the VA and tricare are dumb AF. Then my right knee and hip got good and my left knee has severe bursitis, and tightness and such, because of uncompensating the former compensation if you will. and also because they only PT the right knee because thats how tricare ordered it. Think of only exercising and stretching one leg if you will.Which is really stupid, Putting my body back out of whack again. So now I got a wait months for the VA to order the same doctor to treat my left knee and additional therapy. OA nurse Corona virus and the VA is changing their 3rd party insurance company from Tri care to I don’t know. I started the process of knee surgery last September. Got surgery early February, physical therapy started in April. Yea government! Believe it or not when you have surgery you need medications, and follow on doctors appointments, which were also not included, and physical therapy. I think the local doctor thing is the right way to go but there was nothing put in place to make it work. And apparently the insurance morons can’t even click the Box to include doctors appointments after surgery medications physical therapy. Which is just utter common sense. And now my left knee is screwed up, Because physical therapy will only do what that specific order says. I’ve had to ask if I could at least stretch my left side. Imagine one knee is feeling good loosened up stretched exercise , an the other 1 is stiff as a board, gets inflamed, And that’s how I’m laying in bed today. Lol. 😁

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          • spur21

            Hope you get some relief soon. The VA is worlds better than it was but still lacking. I battled the VA for 40 years before I was able to get some help.
            I believe the VA should be down sized and deal only with the catastrophic injuries. Allow the the private side handle the rest.

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            • The VAs been great. The problem is this 3rd party insurance to go to private care

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              • spur21

                Like I said it is worlds better – but still lacking in some area’s. I use the Atlanta VA which is severely overloaded and understaffed. The phone system is decades behind. I only use the VA for some very specific service related items and use private doctors / hospitals for most of my healthcare.

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  7. Kirby realized he needed better OC and better quarterback management and you need some depth at QB to boot. had he not worked on those things I would probably not be only Kirby train right now. I was very scared he was going to keep Cooley, who is an absolute horrible quarterback coach. Instead he went out and found the 2 highest guys on my list. Now we just got to see if he can let his lieutenants do their jobs. I was very upset for Kirby’s quarterback management but he turned the ship around right quick with the best of people, with the transfers, the recruiting and the hires

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  8. PTC DAWG

    Fields blew the fake punt call and then quit on the team. Door/Ass….

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  9. junkyardawg41

    So let me understand things. We have a season with an OC who struggled. A QB coach who coached a player whose mechanics regressed. And we think if Fromm left and Fields stayed, we would have been in better shape? Mind you that Fields was pretty banged up by the end of the season last year in the Big 10.
    Do we think the record is any better with Fields vs Fromm? The hindsight on that one would have been that Kirby should have kept Fromm instead of Fields.

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    • Dawg19

      Fields couldn’t beat Clemson with a loaded offense. I’m not sure how some people think he would have made a difference for Georgia against LSU when Clemson got pounded by them.

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      • In fairness, and correct me if I’m remembering wrong, but I believe there was a pretty bad call that didn’t get called against Clemson in the endzone and OSU was driving again. I think Fields did enough to win that game. Again, I could be remembering incorrectly.

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        • Dawg19

          I think Fromm did enough to win the National Championship Game. I think Fromm did enough to win the 2018 SEC Championship Game. We can play the ‘if’ game all day. The fact is, Fields had the ball in his hands late with a chance to win the game against Clemson and threw a bad pick to seal it. With that, Fields was not going to make a difference had he been Georgia’s quarterback against LSU last year.

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  10. practicaldawg

    Fromm and Fields have the same number of confidence championships, but I still give the edge to Fromm since the SECCG is on another level than the Big 10. Fromm has one more CFP win than Fields.

    So other than maybe scoring more points in the Big 10, where has Fields shown that he’s a better QB?

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  11. CB

    Kid is an idiot.

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  12. 123fakest

    Well, if my Aunt had nuts………

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  13. BuffaloSpringfield

    For What it’s Worth:
    1) character, if I’am a Georgia boy ain’t playin’ for Wafflehouse
    2’) prove I have character
    3) parents looking for their kid to be the $$$ maker of the family
    4) Get use to IT. There is 9 QB’s in the room now. With a 5* on the way.
    5) You can please some of the people some of the time but you can’t please all the people all the time.
    6) The Coaches are there at the practices. They see what makes things happen and what does’nt. You can have the highest watt bulb in the room but what do you do if that bright bulb burns out to Quickly.
    2019 was a corrosive turbulent year as I have seen offensively. Even if you put 9 in the box if you have everyone on the same page and supposedly higher talent you can play manball. In the end UGA had portions of 3 receivers that could make a play. By the time Tech came along there was one. Forgive me if ai leave out the TE’s but for 3 previous years the offense never intended to go on a TE seam, out or post they were a mere distraction.

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