“We’re going to have cases on every single team in the SEC. That’s a given. And we can’t prevent it.”

I’ve seen enough over the past four months not to be particularly outraged or even surprised by this Washington Post piece about a meeting this week between SEC football players, members of the conference’s medical advisory board and SEC officials, including Commissioner Greg Sankey.

Hell, the conference isn’t even trying to avoid saying the quiet part out loud.

MoMo Sanogo, a linebacker at the University of Mississippi, asked the officials on the call why his school planned to bring thousands of students to campus for fall classes. Sanogo said he has four classes per week, and he fears some of those classmates will go to bars and parties at night, then unknowingly infect football players during class.

The answer Sanogo received shed light on the pressure that university presidents, who rely on college football for prestige and revenue, face to reopen their campuses this fall, even as the pandemic surges. “It’s one of those things where if students don’t come back to campus, then the chances of having a football season are almost zero,” an official who did not identify himself said.

It really does mean more.

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UPDATE:  Lots of words saying nothing.

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106 responses to ““We’re going to have cases on every single team in the SEC. That’s a given. And we can’t prevent it.”

  1. sniffer

    Part of the problem is how cases are reported in the media. I have read three reports this morning of notable persons, local and national, that reported having Covid. The reports are simple and not hysterical. But the implication is that a positive test is a death sentence. If it’s in the media, it’s important. And if it’s important, then it affects me. And if it affects me, I should be concerned. And now being concerned, I have to act. And the only acceptable action is cower in the corner and view everyone with skepticism because they will infect me. That’s what this young man at Ole Miss is expressing, it seems to me.

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    • No, this is what he’s expressing:

      Sanogo kept pushing. “How can y’all help us?” he asked. He referenced the concept of a “bubble,” the insular playing environments employed by pro basketball and ice hockey, and compared it with his bustling college campus. Another member of the task force told him that his mask would offer protection, and he could be a role model for others to wear one. She told him to sit at the back of classrooms and not engage in close conversations.

      The officials’ uncertainty was not lost on Keeath Magee II, a Texas A&M linebacker, who wondered aloud whether starting the season with so many unanswered questions would be something the officials would come to regret.

      “You guys have answered a lot of questions the best way you could, and we really appreciate it. But as much as you guys don’t know … it’s not good enough,” he said. “We want to play. We want to see football. We want to return to normal as much as possible. But it’s just that with all this uncertainty, all this stuff that’s still circulating in the air, y’all know it kind of leaves some of us still scratching my head. … I feel like the college campus is the one thing that you can’t control.”

      These kids deserve more credit than you’re giving them.

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    • Derek

      You’re making a lot of assumptions.

      As a fan, and I would think more so as a player, its concerning wondering what happens to the season, to the team’s chances of a successful season, WHEN someone on the team (or the opposing team) tests positive?

      If I was being asked to put in a substantial investment of time and effort into winning a championship and no one could answer:

      What happens when the inevitable infection occurs?

      I’d be concerned about more than just simply my own health/ life/death.

      At this point no one has given us any framework for understanding what happens when that inevitable infection occurs.

      If the answer is: “we shut it down” I would think practice is a waste of time because an infection is a certainty.

      If the answer is: “we play on” I start wondering whether they are taking safety adequately under consideration.

      If the answer is: a shrug of the shoulders, I have both concerns.

      The truth is that these guys don’t know what they’re going to do WHEN someone tests positive and its an answer the players deserve to have a clear answer to.

      The fact that the “freedom of the press” in that inconvenient founding document gives a player the information he needs to express those concerns may be unfortunate in your own mind, I think it gives all people the tools to have a chance to make an intelligent decisions, should they so choose to.

      Or they could go the other way and call in death threats to covid care doctors because its all just a big hoax.

      https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020/07/health/coronavirus-houston-hospital/index.html

      I suppose if everyone were like the death threat callers we’d be playing Virginia on the 7th with a full capacity crowd. Can I suppose that such an anti-“the narrative” approach would be preferred by you?

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      • sniffer

        No, you can’t. And you’re making assumptions about my comment. Let’s agree that there is a narrative, correction, two narratives. Problem is, there is truth in both. We absolutely should lock it down for some period of time. And we absolutely cannot do that. Both are true. How do you reconcile that? Be careful or your narrative will show, leaving you open to scorn and ridicule.

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        • Derek

          So the “its a hoax” side has a point? Good people call covid docs and threaten to kill them?

          Whatever problems you may have with the media, the fact is that over 150k Americans have died over the past 4 months from this thing and we know that because of a free press. Doesn’t mean a “perfect” press.

          Because people have at least some of the facts they ask questions. Its called citizenship.

          And that’s a good thing.

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          • Napoleon BonerFart

            It’s a good thing, unless they question the narrative. As long as the elites can define the narrative and dictate the actions of others, we’re cool.

            Good people don’t threaten doctors. Good people scream at folks who don’t wear masks. Or side good. Their side bad.

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          • sniffer

            “It’s a hoax” is your label for the side you don’t agree with. Its absolutely true that we can’t close shop, including essential industries, to quarantine everyone for long enough to quell the virus. That’s far from, “it’s a hoax”. Covid is not a hoax or joke. But tell me, please, how we reconcile the two imperatives. Lockdown to save everything or remain an economy? Anything in between is where we are and we’re not getting anywhere.

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  2. NotMyCrossToBear

    We are using the students so we can use you to make money.

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  3. Argondawg

    From just reading the article it seemed to be a very open and frank discussion. I think what Sankey said about having to live your life in this new environment that just involves higher risk was true. We are all doing that. I don’t know that there are any guarantees for any of us. No guarantees that this spring or next fall will be better. If I am Trevor Lawrence or Justin Fields I just by pass this season and take my top 5 draft.
    Give them all the information you can and let them make informed decisions about what they want to do. I think the level of testing and protection that these kids in the football/athletic program have will be superior to what the average student has. It’s their call. I will respect them either way. We are all making hard choices in our current environment.

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    • Sorry, but I think you’re missing the point.

      The players are saying “if you want us back, it’s safer if you don’t let the general student population back”.

      The SEC is saying “we have to let the student population back if we want football”.

      I only see one group being asked to make a hard choice there.

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      • Granthams replacement

        The SEC SCHOOLS want students back because the schools purpose is to educate students. All the employees earn a living if there are students. The students want to get an education. It’s not rocket science, assess the risk, mitigate the risk within reason and go forward. If a football player, student, teacher, coach or janitor decides the risk is to great stay home. The rest can sign a waiver and go forward. There are no penalties for students or student athletes to “opt-out” financially or academically.

        All of that assumes the various government agencies don’t implement shelter in place orders again due to spikes.

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        • That’s your takeaway from “It’s one of those things where if students don’t come back to campus, then the chances of having a football season are almost zero”? Ho-kay.

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          • Argondawg

            I am not flaming Senator but is the expectation “leave the students at home so we can play football?” Or create a bubble for the athletes that insulates them from the rest of the student population which is a potential solution that would create a logistical nightmare for many who are into their major courses. I don’t see how that can actually logistically be done. I respect this virus as much as anyone. Is the post about the one sentence “No students, no football”? They could be having a very similar conversation with the other 35,000 students who will be putting themselves at risk like my daughter who heads back in a few weeks.

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            • No, that’s not the expectation, at least not what I gather from the article.

              The players aren’t arguing for an all or nothing false choice, which seems to be what many here are advocating.

              The schools have put themselves in a box. Consider:

              1. The schools want a football season for financial reasons.
              2. The players want the safest conditions for their return that are reasonable.
              3. It’s safer for the players if they don’t have to commingle with the general student population.
              4. Because of amateurism, the schools can’t treat college athletes as a separate entity from the general student population.

              Unfortunately, the message being sent is that #s 1 and 4 are more important than 2 and 3.

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            • Napoleon BonerFart

              I think the point is that everything is wrong. If schools open normally, that’s wrong. If the schools open with precautions, that will also be wrong. If schools put players in prison, er bubbles, that’s wrong. If schools stay closed and cancel the season? You guessed it. Wrong.

              Something something plans. Something something testing. We get to bitch about everything.

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          • Granthams replacement

            My take is if it’s too dangerous for students as decided by local government authorities then how many players aren’t students? Otherwise let each kid make their own choice.

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  4. PTC DAWG

    People with zero symptoms, shut everything down….D,JD.

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  5. Tony BarnFart

    This god damn virus is going to be with us through the end of 2021 (next year)…. we either press forward with life (in this guys case his life is as a student-athlete, not an athlete in a bubble) or we continue to create our own prisons. It’s not some false choice either the longer this goes. We can’t pack away real life worth living for longer than a Class A misdemeanor.

    Get a mask that works, with behind the head/neck straps so you can seal it, a polypropylene filter, and go live life. If you have to be indoors and need a breath, protocol should be to sit down when lowering your mask, stand up when putting it on.

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    • Big of you to speak for them.

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      • Tony BarnFart

        All you have is fear and derision, just like your favorite writer Dan Wolken. No solutions for you, just waiting for some Daddy to tell you it’s OK. You wouldn’t characterize it this way, but that’s exactly you’re doing with perpetual snark and no solutions. You think this thing is going to be better in Spring 2021 or even Fall 2021 ? It’s not.

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        • Surely there has to be something better than fuck it, kids, take a risk because we want football.

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          • Tony BarnFart

            Well, if masks are supposed to work (which i believe) then what i originally said mitigates the risk a lot. There are non N95 masks out there available to the public that can filter around 85% of the smallest corona size particles. Of course half the world are virtue signalers and think any old stupid cotton mask will work—it won’t.

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  6. Will (the other one)

    We could largely stop the disease spread in its tracks without a vaccine or any new miracle cures. This could let us have a normal-ish football season starting in late September. But it won’t happen, because way too many selfish folks will complain about just the first few steps. https://coronavirus.medium.com/we-can-eliminate-covid-19-if-we-want-to-64abc91ccc1c

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    • Napoleon BonerFart

      So how did Sweden, who did none of that, beat the virus?

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      • mp

        Did you know literally half the households in Sweden are single-person? Clearly a good comparison to our dorms

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        • Napoleon BonerFart

          Interesting. Sweden still did none of the “necessary” steps to stop the virus. What they actually did was protect the weakest and then lived their lives. Since elderly people don’t usually live in college dorms, I think the colleges may be ahead of the game.

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    • Tony BarnFart

      Most of the countries in europe are now in freakout, second wave mode… not saying the article is wrong but the self-flagellation may be. Europe has been far from perfect in this.

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      • Derek

        Only far better than us. But perfect should be the standard when comparing them to the American Clusterphuck anti-strategy.

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        • Napoleon BonerFart

          Except for the death rates of most western European countries, they’re totally beating us. In terms of how many restaurants they’ve shut down, it’s not even close.
          #priorities

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        • Derek

          EU 12 percent 2nd Q gdp retraction
          USA 32 percent 2nd Q gdp retraction

          Stupid McDumbfuck says: “winning!”

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      • Will (the other one)

        That’s not at odds with the proposal at all. It’s not going to be totally wiped out, but if the state could go a week with no new cases? That’d be huge and allow for some 80% or more normalacy and make new cases less of a worry because it’d be easy to know who anyone had contact with.

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    • Derek

      Only twenty times more Swedes died than Norwegians.

      Stupid McDumbfuck says: “sweden wins!”

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      • Napoleon BonerFart

        Sweden avoided lockdowns and had similar results to countries that locked down. Now many of those countries are experiencing new waves of deaths. Sweden has burnout. At about a twentieth of the deaths the models predicted for not locking down. But middle schoolers don’t understand math like that. Numbers, percents, it’s all so confusing to children. Thank God Derek has TV to tell him what to think.

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      • Derek

        Stupid McDumbfuck says “250 deaths is ‘similar’ to 5000 deaths.”

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  7. I think the pressure that “university presidents…face to reopen their campuses this fall” comes mainly from parents of regular students–who ain’t paying tuition, room-and-board, books etc–for their kids to take online classes only.

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    • “It’s one of those things where if students don’t come back to campus, then the chances of having a football season are almost zero…”

      It’s like you guys don’t want to believe them when they flat out admit what they’re doing.

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  8. buddy bog

    Kirby should give them HCQ once a week.
    VietNam, a country of almost 100,000,000 people that take HCQ once a week for malaria prevention reports only 3 deaths from Covid 19.

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  9. W Cobb Dawg

    The indifference to the pandemic is exactly why things have gotten to where they are, and is by far the greatest threat to the season.

    And when a team or teams turn into raging hotspots – which leadership is all but saying will happen, it’ll blow a giant hole in the season.

    Hope isn’t a plan. The players have sense enough to understand this.

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  10. Gurkha Dawg

    Senator, you obviously have some strong opinions on this and I share some of them. You have a pretty good grasp of what is going on and why. Soooo… Do you have any thoughts on what would be a reasonable way to move forward, try to play football while providing an acceptable level of risk to the players?

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    • Contrary to what some people here think, I don’t pretend to have all the answers, but I think you have to start with isolating the players (something the schools aren’t going to do), test the shit out of them and make sure you have the same standards conference-wide, so they aren’t taking any additional risks when they step on the field against another team.

      That’s probably just a good start. That being said, safe travel is going to be a real bitch.

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      • Gurkha Dawg

        Yeah, the whole “players are students first” thing is really hard to get around. I’ll share an antidotal story about my experience. That means it doesn’t mean shit as far as scientific evidence goes. I’ve worked 5 – 7 days a week for the last 41/2 months . Less 4 days that I was furloughed in April. Everyday I have performed aerosolizing procedures, which are very high risk for transmitting the virus. I wear full PPE including N95 mask while doing the procedures. Otherwise I wear only a surgical mask. I come in close contact with dozens of people each day. Some are covid positive, some covid suspected, some are not tested or negative. I’m careful what I touch and constantly sanitize or wash my hands. I have not gone to a bar in 5 months. I have gone on vacation, flying 4 hours each way. Been to a few restaurants while on vacation. I haven’t contracted the virus yet. I feel if people would stay vigilant and do the right thing it would go a long way. Again all of this doesn’t mean shit from a scientific viewpoint and I might become infected tomorrow and be dead in a week. Who knows. Just saying my life hasn’t changed much since this shit started and I am constantly in high risk situations. Of course we are dealing with college kids who don’t listen to anybody. ( I have 3 myself ). Didn’t mean to ramble so long. I guess I’m saying it doesn’t have to be, but I think CFB is fucked this year.

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  11. mp

    Just realized that the administrators are playing four-dimensional chess.

    Step 1 – get all students back to campus to justify their tuition is a tease.
    Step 2 – wait for the campus outbreak to happen (by Labor Day).
    Step 3 – go to remote learning and send kids hime.
    Step 4 – now you have the space necessary to bubble the football team.
    Step 5 – profit.

    School administrators are the ultimate grifters. This comes naturally to them.

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