#WeAreUnited

In light of the P5 putting the squeeze on the NCAA to do its bidding to give it cover for playing a football season, the timing of this is delicious.

A group of Pac-12 football players from multiple schools is threatening to opt out of both preseason camps and games until its negotiations with the league regarding concerns about racial injustice, their safety during the coronavirus pandemic and other demands are completed.

A text message obtained by ESPN says the group’s goal is to “obtain a written contract with the Pac- 12 that legally ensures we are offered the following protections and benefits.”

A contract?  I only wish Jim Delany were still around to see it.

They published their terms today.  It’s quite the to-do list.

Pac-12 Football Unity Demands

To Protect and Benefit Both Scholarship and Walk-On Athletes

I. Health & Safety Protections

COVID-19 Protections

  1. Allow option not to play during the pandemic without losing athletics eligibility or spot on our team’s roster.
  2. Prohibit/void COVID-19 agreements that waive liability.

Mandatory Safety Standards, Including COVID-19 Measures

  1. Player-approved health and safety standards enforced by a third party selected by players to address COVID-19, as well as serious injury, abuse and death.

II. Protect All Sports

Preserve All Existing Sports by Eliminating Excessive Expenditures

  1. Larry Scott, administrators, and coaches to voluntarily and drastically reduce excessive pay.
  2. End performance/academic bonuses.
  3. End lavish facility expenditures and use some endowment funds to preserve all sports.*

*As an example, Stanford University should reinstate all sports discontinued by tapping into their $27.7 billion endowment.

III. End Racial Injustice in College Sports and Society

  1. Form a permanent civic-engagement task force made up of our leaders, experts of our choice, and university and conference administrators to address outstanding issues such as racial injustice in college sports and in society.
  2. In partnership with the Pac-12, 2% of conference revenue would be directed by players to support financial aid for low-income Black students, community initiatives, and development programs for college athletes on each campus.
  3. Form annual Pac-12 Black College Athlete Summit with guaranteed representation of at least three athletes of our choice from every school.

IV. Economic Freedom and Equity

Guaranteed Medical Expense Coverage

  1. Medical insurance selected by players for sports-related medical conditions, including COVID- 19 illness, to cover six years after college athletics eligibility ends.

Name, Image, and Likeness Rights & Representation

  1. The freedom to secure representation, receive basic necessities from any third party, and earn money for use of our name, image, and likeness rights.

Fair Market Pay, Rights, & Freedoms

  1. Distribute 50% of each sport’s total conference revenue evenly among athletes in their respective sports.
  2. Six-year athletic scholarships to foster undergraduate and graduate degree completion.
  3. Elimination of all policies and practices restricting or deterring our freedom of speech, our ability to fully participate in charitable work, and our freedom to participate in campus activities outside of mandatory athletics participation.
  4. Ability of players of all sports to transfer one time without punishment, and additionally in cases of abuse or serious negligence.
  5. Ability to complete eligibility after participating in a pro draft if player goes undrafted and foregoes professional participation within seven days of the draft.
  6. Due process rights.

Especially in a time of pandemic, I doubt that 50% of conference revenue demand will get any traction, but there’s plenty there that college football should have already ponied up for the players.

And asking Larry Scott to “drastically reduce excessive pay” is pure **chef’s kiss**.

The players do have leverage at the moment, because it’s obvious the P5 conferences need football revenue.  Their threat is pretty straightforward.

Due to COVID-19 and other serious concerns, we will opt-out of Pac-12 fall camp and game participation unless the following demands are guaranteed in writing by our conference to protect and benefit both scholarship athletes and walk-ons.

They’ve also asked players from other conferences to join their cause.  I imagine there are a few bricks being shat this morning by Scott’s and the Pac-12 presidents’ peers.

I have no idea where this goes, but it wouldn’t surprise me if the people running the sport won’t eventually regret negotiating a players’ union on more friendly terms when they were presented with the opportunity at Northwestern.  Because that’s the way they roll.

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UPDATE:  More here.

“The way to affect change and to get your voice heard is to affect the bottom line,” Daltoso said. “Guys realize the moment and are standing together in unity throughout this whole thing. This is bigger than our individual selves. This is for all future college athletes.”

“If you look at history throughout this country, there hasn’t been change without ruffling feathers,” Guidry adds. “Not everybody is going to want change because otherwise it would have happened already. People are going to have strong opinions. You wish you could talk to everybody and have a civil conversation and broaden their perspective. You have to do what you know is the right thing.”

101 Comments

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101 responses to “#WeAreUnited

  1. Corch Irvin Meyers, New USC Corch (2021)

    LOL.

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  2. PTC DAWG

    Kids need a job..then they would be begging to be back in school for free…

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  3. NotMyCrossToBear

    I am down with section 2 for sure.

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  4. Silver Creek Dawg

    They want 50% of the conference revenue?!? Fine fellas, that money AND your scholarship are now considered income for tax purposes. Say hello to your new friends at the IRS.

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  5. The other Doug

    If you remove the 50% revenue share, there isn’t a single demand that is the slightest bit controversial. I hope this gets traction.

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    • Corch Irvin Meyers, New USC Corch (2021)

      Nothing? Not having only a black council or providing more economic assistance to only black students? Seems pretty exclusionary to me. Why not make the latter based on economics so ALL disadvantaged students get more help? Why not have a council of players make up of ALL players?

      Welcome to the new segregation.

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      • They’re trying to address racial injustice and you’re talking economic disadvantage.

        Welcome to the white guy not listening to what they’re saying.

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        • Corch Irvin Meyers, New USC Corch (2021)

          They’re not talking about “racial injustice.” They’re talking about getting theirs based on an immutable characteristic while ignoring the actual roots of the problems facing many people today. So… pretty much par for the course “in these times.“

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          • The header literally says, “III. End Racial Injustice in College Sports and Society”.

            Thanks for proving my point.

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            • Corch Irvin Meyers, New USC Corch (2021)

              Yes, because calling something something means it always is or is about that something.

              So the Democratic Republic of Korea totally means it’s a democratic republic.

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              • Maybe you should go out there and ‘splains that to them.

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                • Corch Irvin Meyers, New USC Corch (2021)

                  Yes, I’m wrong “in these times” because I think the way to solve society’s ills comes from being inclusionary and that nothing good ever comes from being exclusionary. That segregation based on immutable characteristics for any reason, even “in these times,” is in fact wrong and that when we first judge and group people by those immutable characteristics, which they cannot control, that we miss what makes them special as individuals.

                  My apologies… “in these times.”

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                • I’m sure you’re sincere in your position.

                  I’m also sure you don’t have the first clue what motivates these players.

                  Let’s just leave it there, okay?

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                • David Chadwick

                  You just got an intellectual kick in the nads and the best you have is the above? Lol. Wanna know what motivates them? Money. Same as you, same as me, same as Larry Scott.

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                • ” … an intellectual kick in the nads”?

                  Whatevs, man.

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          • So the “immutable characteristic” of race has nothing to do with “the actual roots of the problems”? Seriously? Not even a little bit?

            Blacks make up over 80% of the players and these ingrates want a whopping 2% of revenue for financial aid to “low-income Black students” and campus initiatives. Using revenue generated by Black athletes for “ALL” low income students does make sense if you think there has been no discrimination against Blacks. If you agree with the athletes that there has been discrimination, though, then how do you explain to them that their proposal in unjust?

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            • Corch Irvin Meyers, New USC Corch (2021)

              So disadvantaged Latino students? That’s a nope from you? Disadvantaged students with an Asian, Jewish, or yes, even a European background, also a nope? No to disadvantaged American Indian students? No to disadvantaged female students? No to disadvantaged gay students? No to disadvantaged transexual or asexual or pansexual or polyamorous students?

              When you believe in terrible ideas like intersectionalism and identity politics that divide people into groups by their immutable characteristics instead of judging individuals as individuals, you can make any excuse or reason necessary as to why you “deserve” anything you want.

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              • I’m sure they won’t mind including a seat at the table for a disadvantaged Jewish college athlete.

                Assuming one exists. 😉

                Seriously, you assume their intention is to exclude, but there’s nothing in that piece that suggests it.

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              • Again:

                So the “immutable characteristic” of race has nothing to do with “the actual roots of the problems”? Seriously? Not even a little bit?

                You dodge my questions, but I won’t dodge yours.

                No, I don’t have a problem with 2% of revenues generated overwhelmingly by Black athletes going to financial aid for low income Black students.

                I don’t believe all “disadvantaged students” are disadvantaged equally, and there are other programs that serve alll of these students (as there should be). Revenues for these programs do and should come from general revenues.

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                • Corch Irvin Meyers, New USC Corch (2021)

                  I’m not dodging your question. I’m saying it’s a terribly flawed way of thinking that does not address the actual root cause of the problems, and I’m saying you’re morally wrong to exclude others based on an immutable characteristic, because we know what causes poverty and disadvantages, and the color of one’s skin has nothing to do with those things, because they can effect people of all ethnicities equally. Poor Latinos kids in New Mexico, poor black kids in Compton, poor white kids in Appalachia. They live in poverty and have the same disadvantages yet they all come from different backgrounds and ethnicities, but their situations are largely the same. Why?

                  Single-parent families and absentee fathers incentivized by welfare laws meant to keep people poor and dependent on government assistance which was never meant to help them only to keep that bureaucracy afloat.

                  Teenage pregnancy.

                  Failing educational opportunities due to less available tax revenue (but yet, certain politicians refuse to allow them school choice… hmm, wonder why?).

                  These factors don’t care about skin color. I suggest you familiarize yourself with Thomas Sowell. Unless you’re one of those people who don’t think he’s the “right” kind of black man because he doesn’t ascribe to the ideological dogma of intersectionalism and identity politics nonsense you do.

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                • Thank you for answering. If I understand you, because there are poor kids of every race who suffer poverty and disadvantage, race “has nothing to do with those things.” I disagree. I do not think that race is always the only factor, but race has much to do with these things.

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                • Corch Irvin Meyers, New USC Corch (2021)

                  I just explained to you that it doesn’t. If ethnicity were even a secondary motivator of poverty or however you want to describe “disadvantage,” then it wouldn’t affect certain ethnicities at all. But it does. And more to the point, then black people, for example, wouldn’t have much of any chance to find success outside of poverty, but they do and have.

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                • Gurkha Dawg

                  Over 80% of players are black? Isn’t that irrefutable evidence of racism against white players? It would be in medicine, law and every other profession. I guess sports is the only place where a meritocracy is a good thing.

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                • Corch Irvin Meyers, New USC Corch (2021)

                  And if this was still happening, I would agree with the point you’re attempting to make, especially in light of how largely ethno-homogenous areas of the country like Appalachia live in even more extreme poverty than this (lack of indoor plumbing, for example). However, again, the primary motivators for poverty in America remain:

                  1) Single parent (mother) families and absentee fathers (which is incentivized by the government).

                  2) Teenage pregnancy.

                  3) Poor / failing schools (with politicians blocking the ability for school choice).

                  Funny enough, do you know when all of these things exploded? With LBJ’s Great Society.

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                • Corch Irvin Meyers, New USC Corch (2021)

                  Or yes.

                  https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/thomas-sowell-on-the-legacy-of-slavery-vs-the-legacy-of-liberalism/

                  https://www.hoover.org/research/thomas-sowell-myths-economic-inequality

                  Come on Derek, tell the black man with a PhD with lived experience that he’s wrong and that YOU are right.

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                • Derek

                  Why check the facts when you can rely on an audience of one guy?

                  If you think segregated schools in the 1950’s were great whatever.

                  Teen pregnancy rates aren’t based on opinions. There are facts and they are way down since lbj.

                  So two of your points are completely and demonstrably wrong no matter what Sowell says.

                  One out of three ain’t great Corch.

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                • Corch Irvin Meyers, New USC Corch (2021)

                  And yet, this is one of those times when we’re both wrong and we’re both right, after a fashion, but once again it’s your lack of nuance that shows more about who you are as opposed to what’s right, because in your zeal to prove me wrong you miss the forest for the trees.

                  https://www.guttmacher.org/gpr/2002/02/teen-pregnancy-trends-and-lessons-learned#

                  2 of the 3 exploded after LBJ’s great societies (the decimation of school systems and single-parent families / unwed mothers). Teen pregnancies are now at an all time low, but are still the highest in the black community and are still the biggest identifier of poverty in America. Don’t believe me? Even Don Lemon before he went insane due to what one can only assume is a severe case of mental illness once opined on his show way back in the halcyon, post-racial era of 2013 about black babies born out of wedlock at over a 70% clip.

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                • Corch Irvin Meyers, New USC Corch (2021)

                  But again… you, a white man, is telling a black man with a PhD with lived experience that you’re right and he’s wrong. There’s usually something that people like you like to call that, but it’s okay in this instance because Dr. Sowell isn’t the “right” kind of black man. Right? I see you, Derek. 😉

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                • Derek

                  The schools were still SEGREGATED when LBJ was President.

                  Are you still saying they’ve gotten worse since?

                  Really?

                  Is “nuance” longing for the salad days of Jim Crow?

                  I understand that some people think that liberals have underdelivered not only that community, but all communities. I get that. Its a matter of debate and opinion. It helps to work off actual facts when doing so.

                  I also get that a precious few of those critics happen to be black. Which gives them no greater credibility than any fucking one else. At all. To suggest otherwise is….wait for it…. racist.

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                • Greg

                  All true…

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        • I’d like them to break down the specifics then. Who, what, where, how. I want flowcharts and 8×10 glossy photos. I need metrics. I want hard data supporting claims.

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      • mg4life0331

        The new segregation is correct.

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  6. Mayor

    They are right about the liability waiver. Why should players have to sign such a thing? A waiver of liability would allow the universities and the conference to basically treat players in the most egregious ways possible without any consequences. In the US the courts used to routinely rule such in advance waivers of liability void as being against public policy but now you cannot depend on courts to do the right thing any more. So we now see language waiving your rights to legal protections buried in fine print in all kinds of contracts. Bought a car lately? Likely you have unknowingly agreed to indemnify and hold harmless the dealer for bad consequences flowing from THEIR negligence. The players should all refuse to sign any document that contains liability waiver language..

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  7. Greg

    at the point where I am ready for a bunch of walk-on’s…….

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    • Chattdawg

      Agree with you. Let them walk. The golden goose of college football is dying a death of a thousand cuts. Between these petulant demands and social justice promotion at every turn, it’s getting less fun to watch. There is room for agreement on healthcare and rights to name/likeness, but most of these demands are naive and lack understanding of how great these athletes have it.

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      • Sports are about to get reevaluated by the market. Jobless people, people battling covid (in all ways), people whose businesses are upturned, people that cant go to church, people hitting their political limit in sports, are going to redefine its importance in their own lifes, especially financially.

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  8. W Cobb Dawg

    It won’t surprise me at all if this takes flight. I have no doubt there’s plenty of businesses and politicians ready to jump on the players/students bandwagon too.

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  9. Well I just read elsewhere the pac 12 Hasnt received anything official from anyone. Who are these people? Names? And how many? I mean, any joe smuck can Twitter demands nowadays.

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  10. FlyingPeakDawg

    Larry Scott swung that $$$ pendulum and now it’s swinging back to smack him in the face. What the players don’t understand is that it will swing back yet again. The education side of the universities will NOT tap endowments for sports…that’s for research, professor tenure and Taj Mahal admin buildings.

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  11. Bay Area Dawg

    This would be my counter to their demands.

    I. Health & Safety Protections
    COVID-19 Protections
    1. Allow option not to play during the pandemic without losing athletics eligibility or spot on our team’s roster.

    Mandatory Safety Standards, Including COVID-19 Measures
    1. Player-approved health and safety standards enforced by a third party selected by players to address COVID-19, as well as serious injury, abuse and death.

    II. Protect All Sports
    Preserve All Existing Sports by Eliminating Excessive Expenditures
    1. Put salary caps in place for all admin and coach positions. .

    III. End Racial Injustice in College Sports and Society
    1. Form a permanent civic-engagement task force made up of our leaders, experts of our choice, and university and conference administrators to address outstanding issues such as racial injustice in college sports and in society.
    2. In partnership with the Pac-12, 2% of conference revenue would be directed by players to support financial aid for low-income students, community initiatives, and development programs for college athletes on each campus.
    3. Form annual Pac-12 College Athlete Summit with guaranteed representation of at least three athletes of our choice from every school.

    IV. Economic Freedom and Equity
    Guaranteed Medical Expense Coverage
    1. Medical insurance selected by players for sports-related medical conditions, including COVID- 19 illness, to cover one year after college athletics eligibility ends.
    Name, Image, and Likeness Rights & Representation
    1. The freedom to secure representation, receive basic necessities from any third party, and earn money for use of our name, image, and likeness rights.

    Fair Market Pay, Rights, & Freedoms
    1. Distribute 50% of each sport’s total conference revenue evenly among athletes in their respective sports. It’s fully taxable along with their scholarship
    2. Five-year athletic scholarships to foster undergraduate and graduate degree completion.
    3. Elimination of all policies and practices restricting or deterring our freedom of speech, our ability to fully participate in charitable work, and our freedom to participate in campus activities outside of mandatory athletics participation.
    4. Ability of players of all sports to transfer one time without punishment, and additionally in cases of abuse or serious negligence.
    5. Ability to complete eligibility after participating in a pro draft if player goes undrafted and foregoes professional participation within seven days of the draft.
    6. Due process rights

    If they don’t accept let them walk and cancel their scholarships.

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  12. Bill F

    I say approve all of this – and colleges will finally get back to being academic institutions and sports can just go away, or can just be clubs again. To hell with Mickey, power hungry boosters, money hungry AD’s, overpaid coaches, unskilled journalists who should be picking up trash for a living.

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    • Junkyardawg41

      I don’t disagree but I would point out that the institutions have become less and less about academics and more and more about generating revenue—- with or without sports.

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    • If you really really take it to its ultimate conclusion, college football is really stupid. Because it’s just the minor league for the NFL, and it’s all in their interest to keep this minor league in place without it being professional, but being paid because it’s not amateur.

      What a mess

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      • Junkyardawg41

        I don’t know of any minor league organizations that limit your participation to 4 years.

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        • I guess my point just went right on by you. There is no NFL minor league, and college football serves that purpose by vetting training and drafting its future employees. The chances of walking on an NFL team with no college is so remote they’ve made movies about the one guy that did it. Lol

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          • Junkyardawg41

            I don’t disagree —- my point was that calling college football a minor league organization is a it or a reach. Does it serve as a de facto minor league? It does with caveats.

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  13. Dawg Poet

    Somehow forgotten in all this is the public that pays for all this. It may be that the colleges and Mickey can keep raising prices and we will bend over and continue to take it. Or people may leave college sports and find other forms of entertainment.

    I pull for the Dawgs because it reminds me of great times at UGA, almost 40 years ago. Stuff like this reminds me that I really have almost nothing in common with the players and I may lose interest, just like I did with pro sports.

    I know that it won’t happen but the best thing for the institutions might be to follow the University of Chicago’s move, long ago, to the D-3 model. Athletes who are real students; what a concept.

    All I know for sure is that things are changing and so are my priorities.

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  14. ASEF

    Here’s what I don’t get:

    Our stake in this is purely entertainment. I don’t calibrate how hard I laugh at a comedy based on whether I think the actors and writers are overpaid, underpaid, or paid just right. That’s between the producers and the talent. Let the free market make them both as happy as possible.

    But sports? Let’s endlessly bitch about the players and whine that players getting more means me being entertained less.

    Honestly? Bullshit. When Pickens houses a tunnel screen or whips a DB on a 9 route for a TD against Florida, you’ll be jumping for joy whether or not he has guaranteed health insurance, a nice 4 figure side gig via an Instagram channel, and a healthy stipend.

    We laugh at Charlie Weiss conning tens of millions out of various ADs. We snarl at the thought of Jamie Newman getting several thousand.

    It’s flat out fucked up.

    The list above is a negotiating starting point, and some of the items are on there simply to protect the crucial ones. Standard negotiation procedure. The posters here trying to “tease out” the “true motivation” of them have apparently never participated in a real negotiation. Or did and got fleeced.

    College football’s days of asking players to assume the admins have the players’s best interests front and center are long over. College football squandered that one ruthlessly.

    When the people defending the status quo have lost all credibility – hello, Larry Scott – this is the result.

    I don’t blame the players at all. This is what Larry and his bosses have clearly signaled will get their attention. Nothing else.

    It’s the teenagers having to take away Dad’s phone. That’s on the Dad.

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  15. 69Dawg

    That sound you hear is college football circling the toilet. I guess the NFL will have to actually come up with a D league. The billionaires are going to be pissed.

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    • Corch Irvin Meyers, New USC Corch (2021)

      I hate to interrupt the sky is fallingness of this, but these sorts of demands usually come because those making the demands have long term leverage. Explain to me where the leverage exists for these players outside of one single CFB season?

      This is a short term sport. Their replacements are literally already on the roster. If they are so united and will sit out this season, okay, let them. They won’t ever play again and those who have the talent to be drafted likely won’t be or will be under-drafted for their talent, and life will go on.

      These are idiot children who’ve been poorly taught by idiot adults, none of whom have any idea how the real world works.

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      • I’m sure you would have said the same thing about Curt Flood, back in the day.

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        • Corch Irvin Meyers, New USC Corch (2021)

          How much you wanna bet, because I know for a fact (knowing me) that you would lose that bet.

          This isn’t analogous to Curt Flood. This has much more in common with the b.s. list of demands Hans Gruber gave the FBI.

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        • College football has a reserve clause? That’s great to know! Gibson and Zeus are bound to UGA for life!

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      • Bay Area Dawg

        I have to agree the players really have zero leverage here. They are being poorly advised by Ramogi Huma who was the advisor for the Northwestern players who tried to unionize back in 2014.

        Next question is if any other conferences/teams join the potential boycott? Honestly, I do not see Clemson, Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State or any of the other top programs joining this cause. There is a reason this boycott started in the PAC12 and not the ACC the SEC or the Big10.

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  16. mg4life0331

    “Pac 12 Unity Demands”

    Also “Larry Scott, administrators, and coaches to voluntarily”

    LMAO

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  17. Don in Mar-a-Lago

    Many people are saying Greg doesn’t want the SEC to entertain even a watered-down version of the Pac-12 Football Unity Demands. Why? Because Greg doesn’t have time. He’s too busy developing the best halftime show ever

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  18. Uglydawg

    This whole thread is evidence that the Golden Goose is terminally ill.
    We should have had a “Separation of Football and Politics” clause in the Constitution.

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  19. JAX

    Liberalism eventually destroys everything it touches. College football, another example.

    I would tell the black athletes to pound sand. Go find another avenue for a career with those sort of “disadvantages”.

    Fucking pathetic.

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    • Corch Irvin Meyers, New USC Corch (2021)

      This isn’t liberalism. This has NOTHING to do with liberalism.

      The political Left is no longer liberal. These neo progressives, regressives, Leftists, whatever you want to call them, they are as illiberal as it comes. No one who believes in or promotes the belief in identity politics or intersectionalism is a liberal, as those beliefs are the antithesis of liberalism.

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      • ASEF

        Then you utterly reject the illiberalism and identity pandering of Trump’s politics. Right?!

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        • Corch Irvin Meyers, New USC Corch (2021)

          That you assume I don’t shows me just how broken people’s brains, including yours, are by ridiculous politics.

          FFS, why do I have to keep saying that? I shouldn’t have to begin every fucking sentence with, “I don’t like Trump.” You’re a ridiculous person.

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          • mg4life0331

            Its as if an entire group of people put you in a group if you don’t agree with them regardless of any choice are out there. Its hilarious ain’t it?

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          • ASEF

            When you’ve got 100 statements in one direction and 0 in the other, it’s a reasonable assumption.

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        • I love how you bypassed the statement and went right to trump. I’ve encountered that so many times. I could say something is innocuous as, I don’t believe we should fund nato. Oh! then you are an alt right breitbart reading trump loving neo nazi!

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          • ASEF

            I didn’t bypass the statement. Just noted that he readily and continuously sees it from one political direction and never seems to note it from the other.

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            • Corch Irvin Meyers, New USC Corch (2021)

              Hmm. And why would I be harder on one side than the other? It has to be because I’m a Trump Bot and not because I want a return to liberalism.

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            • Except hes pretty consistent. He doesn’t love trump, and doesn’t love way far left progressives. Pretty simple.

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    • jdawg108

      Uh, no. Capitalism, and the need to monetize everything, is what set this in motion. College football got monetized, everyone saw a piece of the action.

      The fact that the players want a portion of this is now liberalism? Did you have the same complaints with the coaches and ADs making so much money off of “student athletes”?

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      • That’s not what capitalism is and I’m tired if this argument. If money therefore capitalism. You know it only exist because of the consumer right? The demand right? People willing to buy, Georgia fans are willing to buy, $1000 tickets? With thousands of dollars in travel expenses! People buy pricey tv packages. People love gambling. Nobody set forth to ruin the sport because of their greed. Fans became more ravenous and the market provided. And the natural event of tv technology impacted it as well when instead of listening to the radio you can watch every game. Capitalism is the free exchange of goods and services in the market. Some people use that to try and make a lot of money. Some people do it just to pay their bills.

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        • Jdawg108

          There was a demand for something. That demand was met. Basically encapsulates capitalism in a nutshell. How exactly are you disagreeing with my statement? Dude asserts liberalism destroys everything it touches; within the context of the player’s demands.

          However, the players have demands because, functionally, they aren’t student athletes at a non profit university but part of an exchange of goods and services, and the only ones who don’t see a piece of the action.

          But please, explain capitalism to me. Don’t bother with reading comprehension though. That would be asking too much.

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  20. BuffaloSpringfield

    For What it’s Worth:
    Does this mean we need to send divers down and pull Christopher Columbus’s statues out of the water? Hell, Sanford Stadium doesn’t have a statue of the greatest back of modern time.
    Reminds of the cow’s pissing on a flat rock it the pasture. There is a whole lot of stuff we aren’t, won’t ever be in control of.

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  21. OneBuckheadDawg

    And a pony too….

    What a joke….

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