Your 8.19.20 Playpen

Shot.

Chaser.

Carville is a devout LSU fan who wants to see the SEC play. But he’s also realistic. “Most people who know something don’t seem to be terribly optimistic,” he said.

He also acknowledges that there’s “a lot of green” between now and when the SEC is scheduled to open on Sept. 26. He recalled a recent event he attended in Dallas when he was told that “people are going to blame the Democrats” if there’s no football.

He chuckled. “Everything gets politicized. I guess this is, too. Sadly, it’s become a cultural touchstone. I hope they play.”

Two questions:  (1) do you think they’re right and that the decision to play or not will be (or already is) politicized?  (2)  if so, whom do you think will bear the brunt of the blame?

Have at it in the comments, but keep it from getting personal, please.

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  1. 1) Everything gets politicized, so why not this?

    2) The brunt of the blame will be borne by whichever side is the opposite of the person who is speaking.

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  2. munsonlarryfkajim

    It’s most definitely politicized as is virtually everything in this country right now

    Trump will undoubtedly bear the brunt of the blame because he is blamed for everything. Much of it deservedly so. But not all of it

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  3. Godawg

    It’s a damned if you do or damned if you don’t situation. Everybody and nobody is to blame.

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  4. Ran A

    Blaming this on either political party is a simple minded approach, that is going to reflect more on their ideology than facts.

    Will there be football? Yes. Is there a strong chance that it will be a Cluster? Yes. Short of living in a complete bubble like the NBA – you are going to have some outbreaks.

    I also believe that a year from now, all of this looks very different and ‘we’ will all look back at 2020 as one of the worst if not the worst year of our lives.

    Politics? Gawd… I cannot stand either side, either candidate… And the only people I loathe more is the media behind them – particularly the so called mainstream media.

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    • Derek

      Why is it “party?”

      Why can’t we say: “we have 4% of the population of the world but 25% of the cases and 22% of the deaths” and blame who is in charge?

      Why can’t we compare our current administration’s performance to other nation’s performance vs. covid and make an informed decision?

      The right certainly knew Obama was to blame when TWO americans died of ebola, including the current occupant?

      But 175k is no ones fault? Really?

      Why are any of these observations “simple minded?”

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      • junkyardawg41

        Why can’t we say we also test more than anyone in the world? https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/full-list-total-tests-for-covid-19 or maybe

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        • Derek

          We can. Wouldn’t account for the disproportionate number of dead people though.

          Might account for the disparity between the modest 22% of the deaths and 25% of the cases.

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          • junkyardawg41

            It could. Because we are testing more, we have more data about whether or not people are passing away with COVID. If other countries aren’t testing as robustly as the US then other countries may be under reporting. I go back to a discussion we had with the Senator back in April maybe about how Germany was going to be able to test (or at least have the capability to test) their entire population within a 3 month period. Germany has performed 9M tests on population of 82M. It could be possible they are under-counting. (Also possible they have it under better control than we do)
            I point this out not to be argumentative but rather to point out other possibilities.

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          • David Chadwick

            Dem governors cramming the COVID infected elderly into high risk nursing home environments had an effect on the mortality rate. Cuomo doing a victory lap for his handling of the virus in NY is one of the sickest things I’ve seen from a pol.

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            • Derek

              But otherwise, leadership is meaningless, right?

              I see your ilk blaming Northeastern governors. Fine.

              Can you blame Trump or DeSantis or Kemp for anything?

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            • amurraycuh

              What? Please provide a source of Dem governors herding infected elderly into nursing homes. I have not seen any sort of story citing this and would like to learn more.

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              • Corch Irvin Meyers, New USC Corch (2021)

                If you are unaware that NJ and NY own the highest per capita death rates in the entire world (yes, WORLD) because they (and the governors of MA and CT, who hold the fourth and fifth highest death rates in the entire world) shoved sick elderly back into their nursing homes…

                … that just may be proof you live in a bubble.

                Google is your friend.

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                • Derek

                  Maybe they’re just testing more….

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                • Corch Irvin Meyers, New USC Corch (2021)

                  A rise in cases would reflect that. The deaths in NY, NJ, CT, and MA are specifically on those governor’s heads more than any leader in this country. They are directly responsible for the decisions they made that sent all those grannies to their deaths. I don’t say that lightly. It makes me angry.

                  We’ve seen states like FL, GA, TX, and CA have tons more cases, but a fraction of the per capita death that NY, NJ, CT, and MA have had.

                  If you’re not angry about that, too, just from a human being level, well, I don’t know what to say.

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                • amurraycuh

                  Im not asking about death rates. I was asking for documentation of Governors forcing elderly people into nursing homes. Outrageous claims need outrageous proof. Infected elderly were trying to leave nursing homes and the governor would not let them out?
                  Its not the readers job to search for proof, its the authors job to supply the proof. I’m not saying the author is wrong, I am just asking for documentation to support the claim.

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                • Derek

                  Do they get any credit for where their numbers are now relative to the “lets open it up!” states?

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                • Corch Irvin Meyers, New USC Corch (2021)

                  So now we’re switching off “per capita death rate” to “CASES!!!” again, Derek? No. They don’t get credit for that, because they still own and will forever own all those deaths.

                  Cases aren’t deaths, and the death rates in your “let’s open up states” never appreciably increased to even close to NY, NJ, CT, or MA levels.

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                • The Unabomber hasn’t killed anybody in quite a while. Shouldn’t he get credit for that?

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                • FlyingPeakDawg

                  Well, technically he wears a mask, so…

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              • David Chadwick

                Google is your friend, as well is the New York Times.

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              • Bay Area Dawg

                https://apnews.com/5ebc0ad45b73a899efa81f098330204c

                Gov Cuomo initially sent the infected elderly patients back to the nursing home. He eventually changed his stance on it, but the damage had been done.

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                • tenesseewasnevergreat

                  It’s important to know that he also believed that hospitals would be so over capacity that he would need 40,000 ventilators, field hospitals, and hospital ships to handle overflow patients based on “studies” that estimated 3,000,000 deaths. He made a calculated decision to send seniors into nursing homes because he thought it would save the lives of younger patients. As it turned out, hospitals did not exceed capacity, the hospital ships and field hospitals were never used, and he needed less than a tenth of the ventilators he asked for. He made a tough decision based on the science available at the time, but it unnecessarily cost thousands of lives in retrospect. Is is fair to call Cuomo a granny killer? I think it is just as fair to blame him for the unnecessary deaths in his state as it is to blame Trump for the deaths in red states.

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                • David Chadwick

                  In regards to the best science at the time, what physician or epidemeogist would think it’s better to have COVID loose in a nursing home than in a younger population sample? Lord, every communicable is more deadly in an elderly and infirm setting. Crazy talk.

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                • @tenesseewasnevergreat

                  Cuomo got a lot of bad opinions from medical/epidemiology “experts” that painted the worst case scenario as near certain. Statistical projections are not science. Is it repeatable and testable with controls? No? Then, it is a guess (perhaps an educated guess, but no less a guess), no matter how many letters you have after your name. As an executive tasked with making really difficult decisions (like Cuomo and every other governor), you have to assume the people making the guesses are trying their best to be as accurate as possible completely free of agenda, but that assumption itself is based on nothing but blind faith in fellow man. It turns out all of the doomsday projections were not just wrong but waaaaay wrong, and the decisions that were made with only doomsday projections available were likewise regrettable.

                  Since he has nothing but time on his hands to reflect on what happened, he should write a book.

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          • Right. We have the highest death rates in the world except for most of western Europe. But they’ve handled the virus beautifully. It’s really simple. Super simple.

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          • The disproportionate amount of dead people is because we in the US are the most unhealthy populace in the developed world. Obesity, diabetes, high cholesterol, heart disease, COPD, need I go on?

            It’s been shown that those with underlying health issues are more likely to require hospitalization or suffer death.

            It wouldn’t have mattered which party of crooks was in power or what they did or didn’t do. Our populace was ripe for a virus like this to be debilitating. Until we quit driving 90 minutes one way to work, shoving a Big Mac down our throat at lunch, and hammering back a 12 pack every weekend these kinds of things are going to continue to happen. Taking a handful of pills every morning is not “health”.

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      • Hogbody Spradlin

        Numbers from China, Russia, Iran, and few other places may be safely ignored. For that matter I’m not sure if US data may be relied on.

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  5. Like others have said, both sides will blame each other and I can’t stand either candidate. It will be really depressing exercising my right to vote this year. The previous Presidential election was an exercise in choosing the lesser of two evils and this time around that is even more true.

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    • DawgFlan

      What do you really think is correlation vs. causation?
      Population density, or party affiliation?

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      • spur21

        Mostly idiots making terrible decisions as well as the partisan bullshit from both sides. NY quickly spun out of control because of de Blasio (and his public health officials) and then Cuomo basically giving old folks a death sentence.

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  6. Corch Irvin Meyers, New USC Corch (2021)

    The Democrats are gonna blame Trump.

    Trump and the Republicans are gonna blame the Democrats.

    The only thing that matter is who are the independent, moderate voters in the Midwest gonna blame. The people who voted twice for Obama and once for Trump. Will they blame Trump, or will they blame the Democrats. If Trump begins campaigning there and making noise that their Democratic governors are keeping high school football from being played and helped the Big Ten make the decision to cancel their season, it’s gonna swing in his favor.

    We’ll see in November. It’s insane, right? Of everything that’s happened the last six months, and it’s the Big Ten cancelling their season that is likely to swing the election one way or another.

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    • Derek

      I’m sure that would be a surprise to the governors of Iowa, Indiana, Ohio and Nebraska.

      But fuck truth right?

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      • Corch Irvin Meyers, New USC Corch (2021)

        Hey, remember how you tried tried to disprove the truth about how tens of thousands of kids and parents in youth sports have been okay and healthy with no outbreaks this summer and how it’s “weird” the media isn’t covering how successful they’ve been because it would harm their “college football is too dangerous” narrative by posting a bunch of headline links but didn’t actually read the stories those headlines belonged to so you completely owned yourself in embarrassing fashion?

        Of everyone here, no one does more to try to squeeze truth into a preferred narrative.

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        • Derek

          You said that HS football was proceeding normally.

          And no one reported on it.

          Its actually not.

          Remember what the actual point i was responding to was?

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          • Corch Irvin Meyers, New USC Corch (2021)

            Nope. I said YOUTH SPORTS.

            I believe I said “since the summer.” I may have even said “since June.”

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          • Corch Irvin Meyers, New USC Corch (2021)

            But again, isn’t it hilarious that tens of thousands of kids and parents have been participating in youth sports the last few months…

            … AND NO MAJOR OUTBREAKS?

            No outbreaks at all, really?

            Doesn’t that just fly in the face of every single media-driven narrative we’ve seen for months?

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              • Corch Irvin Meyers, New USC Corch (2021)

                Not my question.

                YOUTH SPORTS.

                No outbreaks. No death. Tens of thousands of kids and parents a-ok.

                Why isn’t this national news everywhere?

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                • Derek

                  Who is keeping track of them?

                  Can you post the numbers from the folks in charge?

                  When I google “youth sports” most if what comes back are stories about them not being played.

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                • miltondawg

                  For whatever reason, I can’t reply to Derek’s comment, but I can add my personal experience. One of my high school sons and my middle school son played in a combined 7 lacrosse tournaments in Georgia, Alabama, and in the Charlotte area in June and July. Each tournament had a minimum of four games and a maximum of five games. Plus they each played in two warm-up games in early June before the tournaments started. The tournaments had from four to eight teams in each age division (based on graduation year for each division). Most teams involved in the tournaments, including ours, had between 17 and 22 players for any given event. Our club organization never had a single positive test in either of my sons’ teams and to my knowledge no other player in the organization at any other level tested positive in June or July while practices were ongoing. Our organization was never advised that any player from another team my sons had faced in a game had tested positive within the two weeks following a tournament. The only issue that I am aware of was that a team at one of the tournaments had to pull out because a player on a Saturday night after games started running a fever. Fortunately, he turned out to be negative for COVID.

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                • Corch Irvin Meyers, New USC Corch (2021)

                  Seems to me a story of that kind of success (which has been repeated across the entire country) should be national news.

                  Why isn’t it? I wonder.

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                • Derek

                  Nice anecdote milton.

                  Let us know how all the parents and grandparents are doing in about 4 weeks.

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                • miltondawg

                  I’ll be sure to do that, Derek. Incidentally, the last time they played or practiced will be four weeks ago on this upcoming Sunday. I’ve put it on my calendar to let you know on Monday. If there are positives and hordes of dead bodies in the streets between now and Sunday it should be easy to trace back to a lacrosse tournament that was at least four weeks ago or perhaps even further back, right? Or at least assign the blame to that.

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                • Corch Irvin Meyers, New USC Corch (2021)

                  Watch out, Milton. Derek does not like his narrative being disturbed. Truth is relative. Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.

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  7. cowetadawg

    If the SEC and other conferences play, and it goes well, then I expect the masses to descend on the Big 10 & PAC 12 with figurative pitchforks and torches. If they play and young men / coaches get sick or die, then who knows? AD’s and SEC admin. may bear the brunt of the outrage.

    If games aren’t played, I agree with DawgFan1995. If you already like Trump, then its the Dem’s fault and vice versa.

    No matter how it goes, there’s gonna be outrage to spare.

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  8. The whole season hinges on whether or not member schools have to send kids home and go virtual-only education. But there’s a mountain of a Catch-22 here. On the one hand I’d like to think no students on campus means the likelihood of a “full” season is GREATER, however there’s another factor at play here and it actually leads me to believe the opposite is true:

    SEC is hell-bent on playing football. But they (Sankey) has also emphasized over and over again that the member schools’ first priority is educating the entire student body. That being said, I don’t see how there can be a football season if/when students are sent home and schools decide to go to virtual-only instruction. The optics would be horrible. Many SEC schools have spend the last two decades trying to earn reputations as academically rigorous institutions — working to prove that they’re “not just football schools.” This is what their boards and presidents have been focused on and are focused on right now. They believe this is about the long-term. Having to nix one football season is a small price to pay for keeping (what they see as) their integrity in place.

    The SEC has played this the best way possible. Postponing the start until late September was very wise. It gave them a lot of time to maneuver, and it gives them time to see how well schools manage COVID test-positivity rates among their respective student populations. However, all indications continue to point to the fact that student bodies and many citizens in their respective college towns are just not taking mask and social distancing precautions seriously. This doesn’t bode well for our chances of watching SEC football this fall.

    Will the seemingly inevitable melt-down/cancellation be politicized? Of course. How could it not? Specifically in the sense that the “mask side” blames those who didn’t wear masks and the “no mask side” blames supposed pansy Trump-hating liberal university presidents.

    Same story, different day.

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  9. jarviscrowell

    Already politicized
    Media for feeding fear about the virus at every opportunity, followed by democrats just because thats how its gonna go

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  10. Hogbody Spradlin

    “Two questions: (1) do you think they’re right and that the decision to play or not will be (or already is) politicized?”
    Is there any serious doubt out there that it already has?
    “(2) if so, whom do you think will bear the brunt of the blame?”
    Forgive my cynicism, but that depends on who you believe.

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  11. PTC DAWG

    Marcy is a simple minded person…

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  12. PTC DAWG

    I’ll add that Cuomo and the NE powers that be caused more deaths by far….

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  13. gotthepicture

    Trump’s whole strategy is to take credit for anything good and blame others for anything bad or that he doesn’t like, so yes, my money is on someone blaming this in a political maneuver.

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    • “Trump’s whole strategy is to take credit for anything good and blame others for anything bad or that he doesn’t like”

      Isn’t this what every politician does? Did you ever see Carter own stagflation? Did you ever see Reagan own Iran-Contra? Did you ever see Bush 1 own going back on his “no new taxes” pledge? Did you ever see Clinton own the failure of over-reach around health care in his first 2 years? Did you see Bush 2 own the results of a bad decision to go into Iraq? Did you see Obama own the results of Fast & Furious or Benghazi? The fact that Trump hasn’t owned some of his poor decisions isn’t a surprise to me.

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  14. junkyardawg41

    @SB To answer your question, it has already been politicized. All politics is local politics. The folks who get blamed will be based on regional politics. If you look at the map where fall sports have been suspended versus those where fall sports continues, it is very similar to red state/blue state map. (Football at least) https://thespun.com/college-football/college-football-map-2020-season-cancellations-big-ten-pac-12

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  15. The decision to play or not has already been politicized (this is just a microcosm of what’s happening in society in general). Those Big 10+4 and Pac 12 presidents and ADs who have already taken shots at the SEC both publicly and privately were the shots over the bow. They are trying to deflect blame and make themselves the smartest people in the room. In the meantime, Greg Sankey has played this exactly right (I’m not terribly complimentary of $ankey usually) by saying the right things and being the front man for the league.

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    • Corch Irvin Meyers, New USC Corch (2021)

      In contrast to Kevin Warren, who has been absolutely awful and so bad, he’s easily displaced Larry Scott as the worst commissioner in college athletics.

      The guy was a questionable hire to begin with, and you can only think that if we do play a season and crown a champion, he will be fired.

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    • miltondawg

      I agree one hundred percent about Sankey. While I’m not usually very complimentary of Sankey, his measured approach so far has been the right approach. If they have to pull the plug at some point then they do. But not doing so as some kind of snap decision follower of the B1G or Pac 12 was the right move.

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      • I’m convinced those 2 leagues had made their decisions and then used their willing accomplices in the sports media to leak and spread the rumor that all 5 leagues were shutting it down as a result.

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        • Corch Irvin Meyers, New USC Corch (2021)

          100% true.

          There was a coordinated effort between Forde, Wolken, Thamel, Feldman, and a couple of others that weekend when they all released stories within hours of each other that only used unnamed sources and said almost the same things.

          In fact, if you go back the last four months, the same guys plus Mandel, Rovell, and a few more have almost exclusively used unnamed sources in all of their stories that have pushed the narrative that playing football is too dangerous this year.

          And some people think I’m crazy for thinking we could have a JournoList situation on our hands here.

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          • It makes me crazy when sports journalists use unnamed sources in their stories … what’s happening isn’t national security or exposing corruption in high places. If these sources weren’t willing to let themselves be quoted, they are just cowards who were looking for a way to shape the narrative.

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      • Corch Irvin Meyers, New USC Corch (2021)

        Agreed. This is Sankey’s 9/11 moment. I thought him to be as ineffectual as W his first few years as commissioner, replacing someone as revered as Mike Slive.

        Now, let’s hope Sankey doesn’t do anything as stupid as invade Iraq to undo all the good he’s doing right now.

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  16. PTC DAWG

    I’m also glad our POTUS doesn’t have “KING” like powers over the States…it seems many in the media want that..as long as it’s not the current POTUS making the call.

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  17. kenlmiller@att.net

    You can’t blame coved 19 on Trump any more than blaming SARS on Obama. However, you can blame several cases of Herpes on Bill Clinton!

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  18. kenlmiller@att.net

    Meant as a joke. Lighten up please. I did not realize everyone was so serious. Excuse me for finding humor in times like these.

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  19. Don in Mar-a-Lago

    “Two questions: (1) do you think they’re right and that the decision to play or not will be (or already is) politicized? (2) if so, whom do you think will bear the brunt of the blame?”

    (1) Yes
    (2) Me

    And you may ask yourself, well how did I get here

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    • Derek

      Just a little light treason.

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      • Don in Mar-a-Lago

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      • ciddawg

        Derek (et al.)..You should educate yourself about the Trump / Manafort subject…then you can have an informed opinion…
        despite the advice of ancient wisdom, I cast pearls before you..
        what you will find, if you can access the link below, are 2 CIA whistle blowers being interviewed by Millie Weaver (hate that shes associated with Alex Jones but hey you can’t take this to Disney) explaining that there are military Intel communications and DOD contractors licensing and using electronic communication technologies and methodology developed by the military to target areas / micro i.e. individuals, buildings, gaming platforms and macro entire regions, countries, continents etc…then feeding these social media platforms propaganda, manipulated information and misinformation designed to provoke emotional response and create hostile reaction from those seeing the feed (information that is tailored to the individual based on his/her digital fingerprint… likes, dislikes, go to pages, political affiliation…college football team, etc..) this communications / psyop weapon is very effective at influencing the cell phone/computer user into an agitated / depressed/ hostile state and has been historically aimed at regime change in 3rd world shit hole countries…think Arab spring, Venezuela, (our CIA has been doing this for years) the collection, distillation and weaponization of this information against the US by our alphabet agencies and fiveys (our Intel partners in the UK, EU and Australia /NZ) on a massive scale was exposed in 2013 (think Snowden)… Manafort was working with DOD Shadow Contractors to influence elections since ~2003… among the places he worked were Russia, Belarus, Turkey and the Ukraine before the CIA planted him on Trumps team… what we will all be finding out in the next few months (starting Tues of this week) with the guilty plea from FBI low level Lawyer Kevin Clinesmith (lawyer #2 in the OIG report and also on the Mueller Russia Russia Russia Team) is that the US intelligence Agencies were weaponized against Trump (because he is an outsider who threatens these very powerful people who live in the deep state shadows of DC with exposure and accountability i.e. jail time)…that’s why the Democrats (and Republican) swamp/ bureaucrats are universally against Trump (think JFK who threatened to break the CIA into a thousand pieces)… look what happened to him…Look or don’t look at the video its up to you …but fair warning once you know ..you know ( you too Senator)…
        https://lbry.tv/@millieweaver:c/shadowgate:4?fbclid=IwAR0jTA0H_ZcDyEgE2g_ChJCW7MgS38RdYKRcNToeUEJnMMkcc6p-4OEGc4g

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    • Treason among “friends”….

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  20. Joey Bryan

    It’s largely politicized and people will blame whoever they are predisposed to blame because they don’t look or think like them. Politicians and pundits will bitch and point fingers, and meanwhile the poor people will go to work, if they are lucky enough to still have a job. It is as it always has been, we’ve just become less dignified about it.

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  21. ASEF

    Way back when, a certain blogger noted that treating the virus as a public health problem instead of a political/PR problem would dramatically raise the prospects of a college football season.

    It’s a prediction that has aged too well, unfortunately. Other countries are getting back to a near-normal. Meanwhile, we’re shutting down university campuses. Public schools are already logging outbreaks left and right. Our local schools (highly red county) are starting virtual. High school football in my neck of the woods won’t happen until spring.

    Some of his readers thought it would all recede over the summer and leave NY and WA as the main stories. They wanted it to be political, because that would mean blaming blue states and blue politicians heading into a presidential election. They placed a bet, hoping for political advantage.

    And lost. Bigly.. Now, they want the politics to stop.

    Project Lincoln. Republicans Voting Against Trump. I’m not exactly the only conservative in that camp.

    I hope to hell we see football this season, but I’ve got larger concerns and more important things to do this fall. Go USA

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    • ASEF, you say you are a conservative (I have no reason to question that). Are you planning to vote 3rd party on principle or vote Democrat and hope for the best? Genuinely interested in your thoughts.

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      • ASEF

        My voting filter here is simple: I don’t see this election as R versus D. I see it as Centrists versus Extremes.

        I am voting for candidates nearest the political middle. I am voting for candidates with demonstrated character and competence. So…

        I’m not worried about Biden in the least. The Bernie wing hates him for a reason – he’s a centrist. He’s a good man. He knows how to clean up messes.

        Senate: Thom Tillis has been useless as a Senator. He enjoys the networking and kissing whatever butt he needs to get into the right social circles. He likes the prestige, not the work or responsibility. His opponent is a veteran and a centrist. Easy choice.

        Congress: Wow, My choice here is a retired Army Colonel and former prosecutor at Guantanamo versus a 25-year old college drop-out with zero job experience who plays footsie with Proud Boys (white supremacists) in his social media. Even easier choice.

        So, I’m in the weird position of voting for Democrats in all 3 national races. Not as a statement. Those are the choices the respective parties left me.

        I don’t do symbolic gesture votes. Our political system is gives us binary choices, and the winners matter.

        So, that’s my approach to 2020.

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        • I question your logic on presidential voting. It’s obvious Biden is compromised and won’t finish a term. So, excluding third parties, your choice is Trump or Harris. And Harris is to the left of Bernie.

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        • Tony BarnFart

          But will Biden actually be running things ? It’s not an unreasonable question to ask.

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          • ASEF

            I just think it’s the wrong question. Who do I want running the DOJ? Not Bill Barr. Who do I want running Treasury? Not Munchin. Chief of Staff? Not Mark Meadows (he was my Congressman, and I was not impressed. He hand picked a successor and advised her campaign, which lost to a 25 year old college drop out with zero college experience and fascination for white supremacy).

            Extend the evaluation from the candidates to the team around the candidates, and the vote for Biden gets even easier.

            We’ve been locked into a R vs D framework for 4 decades now, and I get that a ton of people just are not going to be able to turn that off. That’s just a decision I’ve made for myself. I’ve taken off those glasses.

            There are a ton of prominent Republicans speaking at the Dem convention. Biden’s bipartisan. He’s not going to suddenly stop listening to conservative voices. I think, deep down, he would like to see a conservative party in the tradition of a John McCain or Collin Powell and thinks our political system would be healthier for it. So do I. There’s a reason why the fringe Far Left is saying they’re going to sit this one out. They know they’re not going to wield much influence in a Biden White House.

            Imperfect world, imperfect choices, Biden is by far the more comfortable one for me.

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            • Tony BarnFart

              what is wrong with Bill Barr ?

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                • Don in Mar-a-Lago

                  Nothing…Leave Fat Bastard Alone.

                  This fixer was installed for my specific purposes of suppressing the vote, bringing baseless charges against political enemies, and keeping my candy ass out of jail

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                • Don in Mar-a-Lago

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                • Tony BarnFart

                  Don:
                  1. Reading Bill Pascrell’s twitter reads like somebody off their meds and unhinged. And it’s predictable and tiresome: oh, gosh, republicans are undermining democracy and want to do all these other bad things. The world is so shitty, so please, elect [the MFer] who sat in federal elected office from 1972-2016 and he will make it all better. He will be assisted in fixing all of these “republican made problems” with the help of our House Speaker (1987) and hopeful Senate Majority Leader (1981). We swear, we’re just in it for the little guy.

                  Still on Russian conspiracy theories. Jesus, you people are sad. If there was stuff that amounts to a violation of criminal law on Russia collusion/coordination, the Mueller team would have said so plainly as day. And as to the current follow-up of how/why the american people got a 3yr mind-fuck courtesy of rachel maddow: if we’re to believe that people in government are normal human beings just like us (“of and by”, amirite), I’m not at all shocked that a slew of people inside investigative and law enforcement agencies would make insanely foolish to criminal decisions regarding donald trump. Half the world has gone bat shit crazy over this man to the point that many sane people are more bothered by the reaction to Trump than anything he does. Hating Trump is a disturbing cult-like religion.

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                • Corch Irvin Meyers, New USC Corch (2021)

                  The insane TDS response to Trump is just as insane as Trump himself. If not more so.

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                • Don in Mar-a-Lago

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              • ASEF

                The silver lining of Barr’s tenure: the Department of Homeland Security is going bye-bye after the election. He’s turned it into the very thing opponents of its formation argued it would become – a politicized, Presidential police force immune to public scrutiny.

                No thanks.

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        • Wolfman

          I’ve just moved back to my childhood home, and find myself with the same three options you have. I haven’t heard the candidates and the choices we have to make explained so well. It’s actually quite simple. Thanks for that.

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  22. Castleberry

    1) Yes
    2) The other guy

    What did I win?

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  23. Don in Mar-a-Lago

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  24. Texas Dawg

    Carville should know about politicization. It’s his specialty

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  25. TN Dawg

    You know who gets no say in whether or not the players get to play?

    The players and their families.

    I hear lots of people saying that the players must be paid in order to force them into a bubble.

    What I haven’t heard is anyone ask a player if they want to be placed in a bubble.

    What I have seen is players saying they want to play and that they understand the risks. I’ve seen their parents (who presumably care about their own children more than random internet commenters) petition the schools to let their kids play.

    Neither of those groups are demanding money, demanding a bubble, or saying they will hold the schools responsible for the risks.

    If you want proof the schools and certain segments of commenting society truly don’t give a rats posterior what players think, this is your time.

    The tyranny of “for your own good” is on full display.

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  26. Sam Johnson

    (1) Yes
    (2) Trump

    The EU, still including Britain, has a population of 510 mm compared to our 320 mm. Despite being more than 50% larger, total deaths have been about the same. Total cases in the EU are less than half of the US. Most strikingly, total daily cases in the EU are now less than 8k while we are still over 40k each and every day (even with recent declines). Yes, testing and counting are not exactly the same, but these huge disparities are not so easily explained away.

    Meanwhile, in the EU, schools and restaurants are open, and professional soccer rolls merrily along. When spikes or clusters appear, national governments react. Testing AND tracing together is actually a thing.

    Most importantly, with the exception of Boris Johnson, no EU leader has dismissed the virus, predicted it would soon go away, been ambivalent about masks or explained it as, “it is what it is.” Whatever powers you think the President has or should have, the “bully pulpit” is undeniable. Trump could have united us in a common cause (as Bush did after 9/11), but he has chosen instead to prevaricate and pass the buck.

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    • The USA has a lower death rate than Belgium, UK, Spain, Italy, and Sweden. But other than that, you’re exactly right.

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      • Sam Johnson

        The EU has 28 countries. Nice work cherry picking the 5 that fit your narrative.

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        • Corch Irvin Meyers, New USC Corch (2021)

          But when you take the entire EU as one large body of states, you know, like the United States is, wouldn’t that be a better way of comparison?

          You know, considering the principles of federalism that led to the creation of the 10th Amendment which means not having a powerful central government has been the way we’ve governed ourselves for almost 250 years, is most analogous to the way each of those countries approached their own solutions to covid-19 as EU member countries as each our states did as member states in our country?

          Or are we still gonna just look at Derek’s similarly cherry picked and totally without context numbers without question?

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          • Derek

            It would be.

            Present us the numbers.

            You won’t because if you trued to compile them youd be embarrassed.

            Take the 28 eu nations.

            Add up the pop.

            Divide by world pop.

            Ck the deaths.

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        • Yes. Five countries out of Western Europe that have more in common with the USA than Latvia and Cyprus. And even some of the areas you claim are back to normal because of wonderful policies are experiencing new outbreaks that may well lead to new lock downs.

          But other than that, you’re still correct.

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        • Derek

          Its a trick.

          They are arguing death rate: the number of covid cases that result in a death and pretending that it means that it effected a larger percentage of the population than here. As is typical, its a lie.

          That we are better at saving the lives of covid patients is great.

          But we have an extremely disproportionate number of cases AND deaths.

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  27. TripleB

    Obviously, COVID and the related question of football will be politicized, like everything else. It is interesting that virtually every state that has stopped high school football (except Maryland I think) has a Democrat Governor. Most of the others, but not all, have Republican Governors. The Big 10 and Pac 12 states have mostly Democtratic Governors.

    I don’t like Trump, but I find it funny that he got no credit for the economy by “mainstream media” and/or democrats, but now it is being portrayed as his fault and not as the result of the virus. Similarly, NO ONE anticipated the seriousness of the virus and politicians on both sides downplayed it early on, but now its all Trump’s fault.

    Now to the first question. I think the decision to play/not play will be politicized. I am amazed that Carville is trying to use that issue against Trump when it is his party that has clamored to shut down most everything. I think Republicans will tout their full steam ahead mentality in this election.

    Who will bear the blame? I think the issue will hurt the Democrats if the SEC/Big 12/ACC are able to actually play (that’s a big IF). Why? I think it is obvious to many people that the Democrats and the mainstream media are emphasizing, in fact almost celebrating, all the bad news resulting from COVID. Good news (like fast approaching treatments, rapid tests, and the vaccines) is hardly mentioned. I think their strategy is for everybody to be damn near suicidal by November. The party and the mainstream media will promote hysteria about college football and put a lot of pressure on the schools to give up.

    If we are able to play, this issue will help Trump. Keep in mind he doesn’t need help in the South or even in most of the BIG 12 states. He also doesn’t have any chance in the PAC 12 states. He wins or loses in the Big 10 states. If we are having successful football in the South, and everybody’s sitting at home in Michigan/Ohio watching UGA play Alabama, it ain’t Trump those independent fans are gonna blame!

    If we don’t play, who gets the blame? I don’t know. perhaps everybody will go with their normal lean. I know how I feel. I voted against his ass last time, but this time I think it’s the other side who is rooting against this country and who has become a bigger embarrassment than Trump (and that’s saying something!).

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    • Corch Irvin Meyers, New USC Corch (2021)

      Well-reasoned and well said. I agree with your hypothesis. There has definitely been a coordinated effort in the media to promote the fear porn narrative and ignore any good news or successes, and that definitely includes the Mandels, Wolkens, Fordes, and all those others in the CFB media who literally hate Trump more than they love CFB. It’s not like they’d lose their jobs if there was no CFB. Not big national writers. All the beat writers and writers without their national audience though? Sacrificed for the greater good, of course.

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  28. gurkhadawg

    Senator, I’m concerned about Derek’s health. Not once in this playpen has Derek called anyone a ” motherfucker fucking fuckity fuckity fucker fucking fuck.” It can’t be healthy to hold all that in. I know Derek is just following the new rules for commenting, but perhaps you could allow Derek one profane rant per playpen, you know, for old times sake. I’d hate for Derek to pop an aneurysm and spend the next couple of months in an ICU defecating on himself.

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  29. Don in Mar-a-Lago

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  30. Scotty King

    Why does anyone pretend that a D-1 football player is just like any other student on campus?

    Put ’em in a bubble, acknowledge that they put in a lot of hours normal students don’t have to, let the other students be in person or virtual, let anyone willing to take the risk play and/or attend games (with masks), and tee the damn ball up.

    Oh yeah, loved the picture of the buffed up Newman.

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  31. TN Dawg

    Here’s an interesting twist to the story.

    It appears Gene Smith is coordinating behind the scenes the possibility of a 6 team conference in the Big 10 that wind up playing a 10 game schedule.

    Red state governors are likely to approve the playing of college football. Blue state governors, especially Michigan, will almost certainly try to reject it.

    If you wonder where the battle lines of blame will be drawn, this will highlight it like no other. The Buckeyes playing football while the Wolverines fans suck lemons at the insistence of their Governor.

    Left Coast states won’t really have division because they are all blue.

    But a split in Big 10 country is a lock to highlight where the blame for cancellation of seasons lies.

    The movement of parents and players to reinstate the season demolishes the narrative that players are scared of the virus and lays the decision to cancel the season squarely at the feet of blue state governors and their blue university presidents.

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    • The bullshit being spewed from people who claim to know what B10 schools are up to is as deep as it is contradictory. Your choice to believe them, but I wouldn’t swallow any of it right now.

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      • Corch Irvin Meyers, New USC Corch (2021)

        Pretty much my default setting this year with regards to CFB writers outside of our beat writers. And that’s only because we know Kirby and B-M doesn’t share much of anything with them.

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      • TN Dawg

        I understand nothing is finalized in this direction.

        But it is hopeful.

        I think we can all agree that we love college football and would love to see Justin Fields and the Big 10 play football this year.

        I think it’s good to see writers promoting the idea and the possibility of reinstating football in states that will allow it.

        I think all sports writers should rally behind this idea and help push the pile towards the goal line and help restore the sport they love. Bloggers are sports writers could be real heroes if they help exert pressure to avoid this unnecessary stoppage of play.

        It would be terrible to see a season lost for the student athletes that desperately want to play the sport they love.

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  32. biggity ben

    These playpens suck….it’s like a fox news comment thread. I’ll do my best to not let the screen door hit me where the good lord split me.

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    • Got Cowdog

      “Pick up your gear and gypsy roll on, roll on…”
      I’m glad the playpen is here. Everyone gets a chance to get it out of their system, you and I can “Scro-oll, o-on..” if you don’t mind the ABB reference. Reply to the ones you care to, let the others hash it out on their own.
      Cheer up, guys. We’re going to have a season.

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  34. Tony BarnFart

    I think we all know how the typical blame game will go. At this point, I think we need to unite on 2 fronts:
    1. Wear that mask and stay 6ft away from the next guy. If the option is there, do anything you can outside instead of inside. Open the window.

    Quit shitting on people moving forward. New York had a steeper spike and quicker recovery because of their population density. This thing is going to sputter along slowly and flatly (which if I recall is what we all thought in the beginning) in the sun belt. It’s clear many americans don’t respond well to over-arching government mandates, particularly if they can smell a turd (the crime tape on outdoor playgrounds is the turd in my punch bowl). Implement and highlight thoughtful policies that discard the virus theatre while hammering home the basics.

    Regardless of what you think of “those ignorant neanderthals”, it’s pretty clear the approach of condescending lectures do not go well. Yes, the president should have led better on proper masking and he still should. The populations in the sun belt states will respond better to an empowering rallying cry of really adhering to the basics WHILE MOVING ON WITH LIFE than fear and condescension. I don’t think we’ve tried hard enough on that approach.

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  36. Harold Miller

    This is such a “Political Football” …. warning Dad joke…

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  37. Louie

    The fate of the football season and in-person college depend more on the current state of the virus than on the cumulative number of cases or deaths per capita, After all the time and hardship since this began we are in a much worse place than other advanced countries, and that explains why Trump’s poll numbers on how he’s handled the virus suck. I saw the countries and data below in an unsourced tweet and looked up the data myself at Oxford University’s website https://ourworldindata.org to confirm them:

    This is the 7 day rolling average of daily covid-19 deaths as of 8/19/2020:
    Canada 7.6
    France 2.3
    Germany 4
    Japan 7.7
    Spain 6
    UK 6.4

    US 1034.9

    The combined population of the first 6 countries is 426 million while the U.S. is 328 million. The virus is much more prevalent here, and that’s why football is in danger of not happening, and that’s the biggest reason Trump is going to lose the election.

    As for the future, a recent CNN poll asked people whether they would get the covid vaccine if one became available. 38% of people who approved of Trump said they would while 71% of people who disapprove of Trump said they would. The war on science will kill us all eventually.

    Click to access rel8c.-.coronavirus.pdf

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    • Derek

      There are about a dozen people on here who couldn’t give a rat’s ass about those facts, the fate of their fellow Americans or open treason broadcast on live tv.

      They are all victims of “ideological subversion” which is a tactic used to change the perception of reality to such an extent that despite of the abundance of available information people affected thereby are unable to come to sensible conclusions in the interest of defending themselves, their families, their community, and their country.

      For them, their only enemies are about 50 percent of their fellow Americans.

      If trump announced on tv that he let covid spread unabated in ny and nj because “they don’t like trump” they’d cheer.

      And then they’d event a conspiracy involving democrats suggesting that they have killed even more Americans in red states and kidnapped their kids to be sold as sex slaves in pizza parlor basements.

      As such, they are unpersuadable. It can be fun to mock them tho.

      You think I’m wrong?

      Ask them what Bill and Hillary’s murder count is up to. Its gotta be triple digits by now.

      Just never obama or trump for some reason, an omission I’m sure they have an inane explanation for.

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    • Disregarding the history of the virus to focus on the current state of the virus is invalid. Spain and the UK have low death numbers now because they experienced high numbers in the past. The virus has burned out in those areas.

      New Zealand forced citizens into a draconian lock down and crushed the curve (0.45 deaths per 100k). But now they are experiencing a new surge. Because that’s obviously what happens.

      What science tells us is that virus burnout, or herd immunity, will eventually be achieved, unless a vaccine is quickly deployed. But people who want to ignore science instead focus on magical thinking that, “King Arthur will save us from the dragons!”

      Either lock yourself up indefinitely to avoid the virus, or live your life and take your chances.

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    • Derek

      See what I mean?

      The fact that we have 22% of the worlds deaths and 4% of its population is ignored just as much as the facts you state.

      No regard will be given to the fact that covid got here within days of when it hit those countries and those counties are months ahead of us in terms of progress.

      It doesn’t matter to them. At all.

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      • Corch Irvin Meyers, New USC Corch (2021)

        See what I mean? Never provides an ounce of context to the data that he thinks supports his narrative while ignoring every other statistic that doesn’t.

        It’s all about the narrative. Things like facts or truth or reality need not apply.

        Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.

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        • Derek

          Is our population a greater percentage of the worlds than I said?

          Are our death totals 22% of the worlds thus underperforming the world by 4.5 times?

          Are deaths in every other free democratic country a small fraction of our own?

          Can you id a country doing as bad as us at managing covid?

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          • The numbers you’re dancing around are called per capita death rates. You should have learned about rates and percentages in elementary school. But as a middle schooler, you’ve still got time to catch up.

            The USA has one of the higher death rates from Covid in the world. But not higher than several western European states as well as some non-European countries. That’s accepting statistics from states like China at face value, which is problematic.

            So if you want to discuss Covid management in terms of death, yes several other countries have done worse. If you want to discuss Covid management in terms of insensitive tweets or some other nonsensical metric, then obviously the USA is the absolute worst.

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          • Derek

            Perhaps a sane person will “come on down! and name that country!” that is performing worse than our own vs. covid.

            A guy can hope to rise above the insane ramblings revealing ZERO names of a SINGLE country at all but assures us they’re there jsut trust me babble babble fart babble….

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      • Don in Mar-a-Lago

        Let me explain it to you again with colored pieces of paper because you don’t know that

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      • Louie

        That’s why we can’t have nice things.

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      • There’s literally no reason why the US government can’t adopt the exact same policies that France adopted. The two countries’ constitutions are identical. Or something.

        I don’t know. I fell asleep in middle school civics. Federalism isn’t really a thing, right?

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  39. The CDC states that 25.5% of 18-24 year-olds and 16% of 25-44 year-olds have seriously considered suicide in the last 30 days.

    The New York Times reports that global lock downs will cause 1.4 million excess TB deaths, 500k excess HIV deaths, and 385k excess malaria deaths.

    The UK estimates that excess cancer deaths from lock downs will exceed lives saved from Covid.

    UNICEF expects 86 million children forced into poverty and 1.2 million child deaths because of the lock downs.

    What should we do in response to this global death and misery? Lock down even harder!
    #TrustInScience
    #NoSuchThingAsUnforeseenCosts
    #IfItSavesEvenOneLife
    #SomeLivesAreWorthMoreThanOthers

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  40. Derek

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/tv/2020/08/19/squidbillies-star-unknown-hinson-fired-over-blm-dolly-parton-posts/3398793001/

    (This is the “I like riding in my truck…. I don’t uh care for auburn” guy btw.)

    I would have never guessed he wasn’t in on the joke. Never.

    Maybe he can spend more time on his music:

    I still think the guy is hilarious and I hope he can establish that the offensive postings were part of the act or unauthorized.

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