“Smart has simply proven that he cannot be trusted with a quarterback’s future.”

Courtesy of rabe76, here’s a post that has to be read to be believed.

And, in case you’re wondering, here’s the bio for the author, who is clearly an unbiased observer of the Georgia football program:

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86 responses to ““Smart has simply proven that he cannot be trusted with a quarterback’s future.”

  1. Derek

    When you match stupid with unbounded arrogance this is what you get.

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  2. Down Island Way

    Hi, i’m not dakota, haven’t the faintest idea what to write here, like, I don’t know anything about football, Coach Kirby Smart or the University of Georgia (What is a QB anyway?), i’m currently, like, attempting to purchase a silly degree at the university bookstore located in the arm pit of the world, if you see me on the side of the road, please stop, and like, say high…

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  3. munsonlarryfkajim

    Funny. The avatar does not look like a stripper

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  4. Remember the Quincy

    His Facebook profile make me 100% certain he is a seasoned expert at college football, and that he has inside knowledge of what promises are made to QB recruits by major college football head coaches.

    https://www.facebook.com/dakota.cox.927758

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  5. Dylan Dreyer's Booty

    And y’all thought the denizens of the swamp were funny.

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  6. Remember the Quincy

    If the AJC starts covering Bama, they’ll hire this kid to be that site’s version of Connor Riley.

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  7. classiccitycanine

    They’re so scared of Kirby that they have to make stuff up to tear him down.

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  8. dawg100

    Cool Dakota, now do place kickers!

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  9. Granthams Replacement

    Is he Tony Barnhart’s grandson?

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  10. Ran A

    This guy should team up with Phillip Marshall (247 Auburn Mod) and have a radio show. Base it out of Knoxville, so the dumbest fan base in the SEC could spar with two of the dumbest ‘experts” in the SEC. Now that would be great comedy.

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  11. akascuba

    Soon to be seen and heard as a leading college football expert on the Finebaum show.

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  12. Corch Irvin Meyers, New USC Corch (2021)

    Zennials named “Dakota” are the fucking worst. Especially guys. AND this dude is a Bama fan on top of it?

    Three strikes and you’re out, Dakota.

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  13. TN Dawg

    I don’t think his premise that Kirby can’t handle quarterbacks is correct, and it’s obviously a partisan take.

    But Kirby did make the incorrect choice with Fromm over Fields.

    Saban benched Hurts for Tua.

    Dabo benched Bryant for Goldilocks.

    They both got NC out of the deal.

    We rode the game manager to a resounding win over Baylor in the Allstate Also Ran Bowl.

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    • Your powers of hindsight are truly remarkable.

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    • Corch Irvin Meyers, New USC Corch (2021)

      This is the dumbest take, and honestly, I’m sick of seeing it. Kirby didn’t “choose” Fields. Fields didn’t beat out Fromm. He didn’t know the offense and thus, in practice, didn’t play as well. Full stop.

      Knowing what you know about Kirby, you know he’ll give anyone the chance to beat the guy ahead of him, but you have to know what you’re doing. Georgia’s pro-style offense was one of the more complex offenses in football where the QB is supposed to be able to handle far more than most QBs know what to do coming out of high school nowadays, or even in college.

      For instance, Ryan Day’s offense is what I like to call a “dummy” offense. The QB doesn’t have to do much of anything presnap, as the coaches on the sideline do it all for him. Even when the ball is snapped, not every read is live. Fields has half the reads to make and then the play is designed to allow him to run after that. It’s the perfect offense for him. The Chaney/Coley offense was not.

      The real question is why he wanted to come here in the first place when the offense didn’t fit his skills or his preparation “want to.”

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      • Corch Irvin Meyers, New USC Corch (2021)

        *KIrby didn’t “choose” FROMM OVER Fields.

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      • TN Dawg

        It’s sort of hard for me to reconcile “Fields couldn’t run the offense” while watching Fromm run the zone read all year without ever pulling the ball and keeping it.

        It’s even further difficult to reconcile “Fromm was better in the passing game” while watching a sub 50% completion rate throughout the 2nd half of the SEC schedule while Fields was putting up 41/3 numbers in the Horseshoe.

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        • TN Dawg

          And honestly, “it’s the offense” is more of an indictment of coaching than the personnel decision is.

          Hurts and Tua have entirely different skill sets, and yet the offense was morphed to take advantage of each.

          Bryant and Lawrence had entirely different skill sets, and yet the offense was morphed to take advantage of each.

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        • Corch Irvin Meyers, New USC Corch (2021)

          I don’t care what’s difficult for you to recognize.

          The points you think you’re making are as ill-informed as Dakota’s.

          And that’s the truth of the matter. You think your feelings reflect what was, and they don’t.

          We get it, you think Fields should’ve been the guy, but here’s the thing, Fields wouldn’t have had the success he here that he had in Ohio State, and there’s no way he would’ve been better than Fromm was in 2018.

          As for 2019, Fields chose to leave. Kirby’s just supposed to hand him the job immediately after the Sugar Bowl and without needing to compete with Fromm during the Spring and Fall Practice?

          As I said… this is the dumbest take of all dumb takes.

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          • Its fascinating that fields was too dumb to “know the offense” which is bullocks, but was a heisman contender in a more complex offense on a better team. The truth is kirby, and fans like you, fell in love with the good ol boy, and couldn’t see beyond that. The vision was so poor fromm left early to be a “well hell” qb draft pick, only to almost be kicked off the team, with the owner of all people making statements.

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            • Corch Irvin Meyers, New USC Corch (2021)

              I didn’t say he was too dumb to know the offense. I said he didn’t know the offense, or at least, he didn’t know it as well as Fromm, and he didn’t. He was a true freshman. Most true freshman won’t have a good grasp of a true pro-style offense. Jake Fromm was literally one of the few we ever saw who did. Stafford didn’t in 2006 and Eason didn’t in 2016, their coaches had to work around what they didn’t know. Fromm came into 2017 and knew his offense better than I’ve seen most any CFB probably since Eli Manning or Peyton before him. What Fromm was able to do was special.

              You could see that when he entered into games and missed easy open reads only to take off running.

              The offense he’s in at tOSU is a dummy offense because he’s required to do zero work before the snap, and there are literally receivers in the field who are not live, never meant to catch the ball, so he doesn’t have to make as many reads as a design of the offense because when he does make his 2 or 3 live reads, he is then, by design, supposed to take off running.

              It’s the perfect offense for him, and honestly, CFB, because you can do things like put in extremely athletic QBs into the offense as true freshman and no, they don’t have to know play calling verbiage because they don’t call plays in the huddle or call audibles at the line. Do you think Taylor Lawrence had all of Fromm’s responsibilities? He didn’t and doesn’t, even though his offense is a zone read spread or Ryan Day-type spread.

              What Fromm did in 2017 and then again in 2018 isn’t done often in football. There’s no way Fields is beating him out in practice in 2018. Maybe if Fields sticks around and learns enough of the offense, MAYBE he beats out Fromm in 2019, but we’ll never know.

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              • We didn’t run a “pro style” offense either. We ran a ton of power and throws to the outside. You can’t have it both ways, kirby ran a risk overse offense. Kirby didn’t manage QBs well, and Fromm isn’t that good. I swear fromm apogists fell from the richt apologist tree. Your review of osu offense is bunk. “Fromm makes all these reads”. Bunk. He hands off or throws outside. People were saying fromm would be a first rounder. GGA but then go to fairy land about an actual first rounder.

                I swear, I thought I was done with this. And now i am. Write your book on fromm again, and ill watch fields be a 1st rounder.

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                • Corch Irvin Meyers, New USC Corch (2021)

                  You really don’t know what you’re talking about in regards to offenses.

                  We did run a pro style offense. Pro style isn’t a style of play. Pro style is the verbiage and the QB’s responsibilities in the offense. In this way, the pure Air Raid that Mike Leach runs is pro style, because he gives his QB all those same responsibilities pre and post snap. Call the play, read the defense, call the audible, change the protection, put receivers in motion. Then post snap, you have to make all your reads. THAT is pro style, chuckdawg. That is what Jake Fromm could do that Justin Fields, as a true freshman, couldn’t.

                  What Justin Fields does at tOSU is none of those things. He has no pre snap responsibilities. He doesn’t call the play. He doesn’t read the defense. He doesn’t call audibles. He doesn’t change protections. He doesn’t put receivers in motion. He doesn’t do ANY OF THAT.

                  And then yes, post snap, it’s also made easier for him because not all the reads are live because the offense is specifically designed for him to take of running after a certain number of reads are made.

                  THAT is the difference. You betray your lack of knowledge by thinking “pro style” is literally the style of plays being run. That has nothing to do with it, chuckdawg.

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                • Ok corch. I dont know football. Right. Geez.

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                • Corch Irvin Meyers, New USC Corch (2021)

                  I didn’t say that, either. Man, you’re not doing a lot of reading comprehension in this thread. I’m using your own words.

                  Your own words show you don’t really understand what differentiates a pro style offense and the kind of offense Urban Meyer, Rich Rod, and others pioneered the last 20 years.

                  It’s not the kind of plays run, it’s not how fast the offense moves and how many plays they compile per game, it’s literally what the quarterback’s responsibilities are in the offense. That’s what it is. There are many “spread”-type offenses that are actually pro style offenses, like Mike Leach’s pure Air Raid.

                  Your mistake is a mistake many people make, but you’re speaking as if you know what you’re talking about, and your own words show you don’t.

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                • Continue to insult. You’ve insulted my football iq, now my reading.

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                • Corch Irvin Meyers, New USC Corch (2021)

                  Dude, if you feel I’m being insulting, then I that’s on you, because I’m not insulting you. I’m literally just using what you say. Intent has nothing to do with it, because there’s literally no insult.

                  I didn’t say you didn’t know anything about football, but I did say you’re wrong about what is or isn’t a pro style offense, because by your own words, you don’t know what you’re talking about in that regard unless you misspoke. That’s not an insult, that’s what is.

                  I never said Fields was too dumb to learn the Georgia offense, I said he didn’t know it.

                  Given those two glaring mistakes by you, you could see why I would think you’re not actually comprehending what I’m saying, and are instead reacting emotionally based on your own personal feelings regarding Fields.

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                • Omg. You’re a piece of work. Whats it like on that island?

                  Now you know my feelings as well. No football knowledge, no reading comprehension, and now your a shrink. done dude. Good luck. Write another book. I’m not responding. You have literally managed to ostracize every single person here, including one person that supported you. It’s quite amazing.

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                • Corch Irvin Meyers, New USC Corch (2021)

                  Dude, you’re the one saying I’ve said things I didn’t say to try to make your points here. You’re finding insults where there literally are none, and that’s not really rational. I don’t know what else to say about that.

                  I get being emotional about Georgia football, and to also believe you’re right about something involving Georgia football. I especially understand how frustrating it can be to see someone as talented as Fields have success elsewhere. If you want to talk about Kirby’s coaching stubbornness and how that played a part in Fields leaving, that’s a different conversation. I’m generally not a fan of hypotheticals, though.

                  But in the reality of what was, in that very specific reality, this idea that Kirby should have “chosen” Fields in 2018, given that he didn’t know the offense as Fromm did, is simply a bad faith argument. It doesn’t make sense. I’m sure, knowing what we know about Kirby, that he would have given Fields every opportunity to beat out Fromm in 2019 had he stayed, and he may as well have done that, but we don’t know. What we do know is, given the reality of the kind of offense we ran, it is unlikely Fields would’ve had the same success as he did at tOSU, in an offense that is designed to take advantage of all his strengths.

                  And again, if you want to have a discussion about Kirby’s stubbornness, and why don’t we run that kind of offense here where you can plug and play QB’s even as true freshman because they have far less responsibilities pre and post snap, well, that’s a completely different discussion.

                  As far as the rest goes, I dunno, man. I never see any argument or discussion as something about “sides.” Taking “sides” isn’t logical or rational because doing so will usually force you to make bad faith arguments at some point. I try to see an argument or discussion from the perspective of objectively good ideas versus objectively bad ideas, or as objective as I can make them. I don’t want to be in a position to take sides ever again. I’m sideless.

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                • Gaskilldawg

                  Chuck, I agree with you that Fields 2019 was everything you wrote he was and he was better in 2019 than Fromm could everything dream of being.
                  That said, the issue in 2018 was starting a true freshman and going through the growing pains of a true freshman learning from in game mistakes.
                  We all. you included, I will bet, expected UGA to be a national champion contender in 2018 even with Fromm as the starter.
                  You could see us not be as effective with Fields in the games as we were with Fromm. Did Smart sacrifice development of the talented freshman for stability of a returning starter who had won a SEC championship and Rose Bowl? Yes, he did.
                  If your argument is that a SEC east championship, a loss in the SEC CG and a loss in the Sugar Bowl was not worth giving Fields a year of development, then okay, I can see the argument. But do not forget the reality of our situation in 2018 regarding us expecting to contend for a championship with the returning QB and Fields’s early game performances.

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              • Migraine Boy

                I’m sure running a “dummy offense” will be reflected in where Fields is picked for the NFL right? You want to go over or under round five?

                Here’s his UGA stats by the way, in the offense he “couldn’t read” :
                27/39 , 70% CR, 4TD, 0 INT, long of 57, 173.7 QBR

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                • Corch Irvin Meyers, New USC Corch (2021)

                  Calling it a “dummy” offense is not a qualitative statement on what Fields can or cannot do. As I said, Fields could’ve beaten Fromm out for the starting gig for the 2019, but we’ll never know.

                  You simply stating Fields’s stats without context also doesn’t make the point you think you’re trying to make, but if it makes you feel better, why not?

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                • 100dollarhandshakes

                  Just curious here… What percentage of those stats happened against UMASS or another non-Power 5 foe?

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                • Migraine Boy

                  @100 dollarhandshakes – that’s kind of the point – Fields never got a shot to really fun the offense in an open, sustained way with the first team. It was garbage time handoffs, mostly. That’s why some of us say CKS “chose” Fromm over Fields. He never really made it an open, fair competition

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                • Corch Irvin Meyers, New USC Corch (2021)

                  Why do I feel like this is that commercial –

                  “That’s not the way it works. That’s not the way any of this works!”

                  This may be the dumbest of all Fromm-Fields debate takes.

                  You don’t have an “open competition” on the field. You have those competitions every day during practice.

                  THAT’S HOW IT WORKS.

                  Fields had his shot. He didn’t beat Fromm out when he had the chance, and then instead of competing with Fromm again in 2019, he left for tOSU. And that’s fine, because he thought it was in his best interests.

                  Good Lord, people. Why is this still a sticking point?

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                • Migraine Boy

                  Please tell me when Fields had his “shot” to win the job.

                  And don’t say “in practice” unless you were physically there in the flesh

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                • Corch Irvin Meyers, New USC Corch (2021)

                  PRACTICE IS WHERE A PLAYER HAS A CHANCE TO WIN A STARTING POSITION!!!

                  Players are given “shots” in a game to “win” a starting position.

                  That’s not how it fucking works!!!

                  Good God. Now I know why your name is “Migraine Boy,” because this particular brand of stupidity is giving me a headache. FFS, people. FFS!

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                • Corch Irvin Meyers, New USC Corch (2021)

                  Players are NOT given “shots” to “win” a starting position in a game.

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                • Migraine Boy

                  “Players are NOT given “shots” to “win” a starting position in a game.”

                  Except for, like, Tua becoming a starter for Bama at HALFTIME OF THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP GAME.

                  But sure, go on.

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                • Corch Irvin Meyers, New USC Corch (2021)

                  Man, you stink at making cogent points. Like, you’re not good at it at all.

                  This is, without a doubt, 100% false. Tua wasn’t “given a shot” to win the starting QB position in the National Championship Game. It was literally a Hail Mary by Nick Saban to change a game that had gone poorly. If the game is 13-7 going into halftime, we never know who Tua is in the SEC, because he transfers to USC never having taken a meaningful snap for Bama.
                  Tua and Hurts had an actual competition IN SPRING PRACTICE AND FALL PRACTICE for the right to be Bama’s starting QB to start the season. And in 2018, Jalen Hurts got some mop up duty snaps, but nothing meaningful.

                  Seriously dude, make better points, or how about you just don’t be wrong? This isn’t a movie. Players aren’t “given a shot” in the middle of the season during meaningful games when you have a team competing for the Playoffs. It’s literally not how this works. They get their shot in Spring and Fall Practice before the season begins, and then again in every single practice after that. THAT is where they get their shot.

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      • Fields didn’t want to leave. He said after going to Columbus, he wanted to return to Athens. This whole thing was done by his father. He would be the starting QB at UGA right now if he had stayed. Hell, if he had stayed, he may have beaten out Fromm last spring. He and his father decided to move on. It looks like he’s going to have one season of starting and no championship to show for it.

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        • He has one amazing season and will have a 1st round to show for it. Meanwhile, fromm was apologizing for racism and lucky to be on a team, which likely won’t last long.

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          • I didn’t know being a 1st round choice was what being a college QB is all about. Fromm and Fields have the same number of conference championships and playoff appearances as a starter (1). Fromm came closer to a national championship ring.

            Did Fromm have a good junior year? No. Did Fields look great in Columbus? Yes.

            Could Kirby and Chaney handled the QB situation better? I don’t know because every media outlet in America tried to create a QB controversy in 2018 when there never was one.

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            • Draft selection is a major measurement. If fromm was a 1st rounder, you’d be selling it.

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              • I’m not an NFL fan … I really don’t care.

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              • 100dollarhandshakes

                Draft selection is a major measurement of physical abilities, and I think we would all agree that Fields has better height, strength, running ability and arm talent than Fromm. If two players have equal or near equal physical gifts then an NFL team will likely choose the player with a better Football IQ.

                NFL Draft position is not a very good indicator of who was the better college QB. David Greene finished his career as the all-time NCAA wins leader, went undrafted and never saw the field in the NFL. Josh Allen was a career 56% passer at Wyoming, but because he had a rocket arm and was 6’5” he was drafted 7th overall by the Bills.

                There’s a long history of national title winning QB’s who were undrafted or drafted in the 6th or 7th round. There’s not a correlation here.

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                • Anyone who correlates draft position to eventual success in the NFL should look at one Tom Brady. Here’s the list of the idiot teams who selected QBs before the Patriots took Brady in the 6th(!) round (after when Fromm was selected):
                  1st round (18th overall) – Chad Pennington (Jets)
                  3rd round (65th) – Giovanni Carmazzi (49ers)
                  3rd round (75th) – Chris Redman (Ravens)
                  5th round (163rd) – Tee Martin (Steelers)
                  6th round (168th) – Marc Bulger (Saints)
                  6th round (183rd) – Spergon Wynn (Browns)

                  I have no idea if Fromm will be the next Georgia QB to be drafted and never play a meaningful down in the NFL.

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            • Corch Irvin Meyers, New USC Corch (2021)

              Fields will be a first rounder, but here’s an interesting tidbit:

              The NFL has a particular statistic that they believe in regarding QB’s right up until the moment they don’t (usually because of pure talent).

              The easiest way to know if a QB will bust in the NFL or not is the number of starts they had as a college QB. Almost every first round QB ever taken with less than 20 starts in college bust in the NFL. It’s amazing how correct this statistic tends to be.

              Given that, the odds are stacked against Fields if the Big Ten doesn’t reverse course.

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    • Does Tua take over for Hurts if Tyler Simmons’s blocked kick stands and 2nd and 26 never happens?

      Did anyone really think Bryant was a better choice than Lawrence?

      What during their time in Athens together showed anyone Jacob Eason or Justin Fields was a better choice at QB than Jake Fromm?

      This take is historical revisionism at its worst.

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      • TN Dawg

        It was fairly clear to anyone watching UGA/UT in 2018 that Fields was the more dynamic player.

        I’m not sure why saying Kirby is not infallible is such an unacceptable position.

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        • Corch Irvin Meyers, New USC Corch (2021)

          There you go again, thinking how you feel is an accurate reflection of reality.

          Fromm was legitimately the third best QB in CFB in a lot of metrics in 2018, and in fact, had the single best game by a QB against Bama’s defense up to that point, even in our stodgy offense.

          But sure, your revisionist history is right. What Fromm actually did is wrong. 🤷🏻‍♂️

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        • Huh? I never saw a single game where Fields could lay any claim to being the Georgia starting QB in 2018.

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        • Gaskilldawg

          TN, the question of whether Smart erred in starting Fromm over Fields in 2018 requires you to consider what the staff was facing in August/September 2018.
          Smart did not have Justin Fields 2019 version competing for the starting job. He had true freshman Fields and Smart had a team coming off an overtime lead in the championship game that was capable of winning the conference and getting back to the playoffs.
          UGA was in a “win now” place.
          I could see with my own eyes that when Fields did get in the games he was still learning. Fromm had been good enough to get us to the final.
          “Choosing Fields” would require the team to run the risk of losing a game we could of won in order for Fields to learn to harness his talent.
          If you were going on message boards in August 2018 arguing that Fields ought to get on the job training as the starter then you are consistent with your position. If your position in August 2018 was. “Win now,” you are being revisionist.

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          • TN Dawg

            I’m too lazy to look, but I think you’ll find as far back as UT/UGA in 2018 I was calling for Fields because our offense was sputtering even then.

            I don’t know that that would have been in August, probably September.

            Usually I’d comment during the games and Macallan would come in later and declare me and others an embarrassment to Georgia fans everywhere, IIRC.

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            • Got Cowdog

              We really shouldn’t cannot be held responsible for comments on the game day thread.

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            • Gaskilldawg

              Okay, I believe you, you are consistent

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            • You’re saying this game is the one where Kirby should have benched Fromm and named Fields the starter for the remainder of the season?

              https://www.espn.com/college-football/matchup?gameId=401012295

              If so, I see nothing there to indicate Fromm should have lost the job. Of course, YMMV.

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              • Got Cowdog

                I’m glad you posted that. 26 first downs and a covered 30 point spread against the fighting Jeremys? Glorious.

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                • My whole point about this issue from the beginning has been that NO ONE has made a rational case as to how Kirby mishandled the Fromm/Fields thing from 1/2018-1/2019 in a way that demonstrates that Fields should have been the starter. The question is what did Kirby say to the Fields family in the few days after the SEC championship game and around when Fields put his name into the transfer portal.

                  This whole thing is another topic Seth Emerson takes up in his book.

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                • Corch Irvin Meyers, New USC Corch (2021)

                  Knowing what we know of Kirby, my hypothesis would be that he said the same thing he told them when Fields signed to come to Georgia: You’ll be given the opportunity to beat out Fromm, but your athleticism isn’t enough, you have to know the offense as well as he does.

                  And if anyone argues that Kirby would have been wrong to say that, well, we’ll have to agree to disagree.

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                • I hope Seth takes up in his book. Sorry about that.

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                • Got Cowdog

                  Great. Now I have to spend $20.99 for Seth’s book. 🙂
                  I guess people don’t realize that when you have a clear leader that the team trusts and plays hard for you take a chance on losing your locker room if you make a change. I thought (and said as much here) Fromm was “that” guy the minute he stepped into the huddle against Appalachian State and Eason was gone. Then Fields comes along and there is apparently a pseudo QB competition where Fields gets some half-ass and poorly chosen (IMO) playing time. Fields bails after ’18 and the offense goes to shit in ’19. What went on behind the scenes? Coincidence? I think not. There has to be something there.

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                • Corch Irvin Meyers, New USC Corch (2021)

                  Why do you assume it was a “pseudo” competition?

                  Knowing everything you know about Kirby playing the players who give him the best chance to win (such as playing Swift as a true freshman in 2017 before the older player Holyfield) or taking Brenton Cox and moving him to third string during Spring practice based on the two freshman who came in and played better in practice, what in God’s name gives you the inkling that Kirby wouldn’t have made it an actual competition for Fields to win the job if he actually had a better grasp on the offense as Fromm did?

                  The knots y’all twist yourselves into with this narrative is frightening. We’ve seen Kirby go with the young guy if the young guy practices better and earns the start.

                  Why can’t you just accept that Fields didn’t earn it? That he didn’t, as a true freshman, grasp an extremely complicated offense as well as Fromm, but that yes, he was able to go into a much more plug-and-play style offense and dominate the Big Ten?

                  All those things can have happened. They’re not mutually exclusive. What we don’t know is if Fields would’ve beaten Fromm in 2019. He might have. Who knows? We never will because he left. It wasn’t a “choice” by anyone other than him and his family.

                  There are many discussions we can have about things that Kirby has done wrong, mostly involving the offense, even including asking why Kirby wouldn’t allow the team to run one of those dummy, plug and play offenses.

                  But this is just a dumb argument. It’s a dumb argument. You give the kid a shot in practice to win the job. If he does, great. If he doesn’t, you go into 2018 with the guy who just won you the SEC for the first time in 12 years as well as a playoff game in which you specifically had to lean on his passing to tie the game.

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                • Oh, I think the QB controversy was created by the Atlanta media as a way to generate clicks and get people listening.

                  I don’t doubt that Fields was given a chance to compete for the job in 2018 just as Fromm was in 2017. Fromm got an opportunity in the App State game after Eason’s injury and took full advantage of it. By the time Eason was healthy, Kirby wasn’t going to mess around with upsetting the apple cart by taking the job away from Fromm.

                  If something similar had happened in 2018, I don’t doubt Kirby would have done the exact same thing. He would have ridden Fields as far as he would have taken us.

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                • Corch Irvin Meyers, New USC Corch (2021)

                  Finally, a cogent point.

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                • Got Cowdog

                  I’m pulling my theory out of my ass, so I’m ASSuming. 🙂 I don’t have any more of an idea than anyone else what happened but you missed my point.
                  I called it “psuedo” because it was a sport media narrative and there was never any chance that Fields was going to unseat Fromm once the season started. I’m sure Kirby gave Fields a hard look, but the lack of available time to for him to develop wasn’t there, and spending time on a newbie (especially first string reps) is not helping your starter. Kirby in ’18 knew he had a big gun and was playing to win it all. Sorry Justin, that’s just how it is sometimes.
                  Knowing from experience what prima donna’s a special player’s parents can be? I bet Kirby offered, but Daddy said no way on a redshirt and you have to admit that puts a coach between the rock and a hard place trying to balance playing time to keep your future guy on board when someone else is in his ear all the time telling him he ought to be the starter regardless of what the coach says, and don’t think for a minute that OSU wasn’t sniffing around as soon as someone got wind that Daddy wasn’t happy.
                  I’m guessing you’ll agree with me as well that the situations Kirby put Fields in didn’t do him or Fromm any favors.They felt like afterthoughts to me other than the FFP that blew up in everyone’s face. So to your point, I’m agreeing with you. I’m also pretty sure Fields would have stayed had he known Fromm was going to bounce.
                  I also agree that tUSU’s system was much more tailored to Fields skill set than Kirby’s and OSU plays in a weaker conference which had a lot to do with Fields success.
                  Is this a dumb argument? Sure, since its all post tense. AND it’s all speculation. But WTH, ti’s the off season still and I love conspiracy theories, nefarious characters, palace intrigue, and football. I harbor no ill will for Justin Fields. He’s a kid playing with a ball just like the rest of them and I try very hard not to be critical of the players outside of the game day thread, hence my earlier comment.

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                • Corch Irvin Meyers, New USC Corch (2021)

                  You and I definitely agree with how they used Fields during games was stupid. That goes into the Kirby and Chaney making dumb decisions pile along with, “Hey, we’ve kept Bama off balance all game in the National Championship, so instead of keeping that up, let’s run Chubb right into the teeth of their defense directly at their NFL First Round DT for less than one yard per carry for the entire fourth quarter,” or, “Hey, we’ve kept Bama off balance all game by having Fromm throw a bunch to our speedy WRs, so let’s back off for the entire fourth quarter and try to run into the teeth of their defense with a mostly inefective trip of Swift, Holyfield, and Herrien.”

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              • TN Dawg

                I’ll say this and then leave it be.

                My memory isn’t always the best, but around the time Fields came in and gave UGA a boost in the UT game, IIRC, there began to be a little movement in the media that there might be a “QB controversy” brewing in Athens.

                Kirby came out with some statement like “We don’t need Jake Fromm to be great, we just need Jake to be Jake.”

                Maybe my memories faulty, IDK, but I don’t think so.

                It was basically a statement of support that it was Fromm’s job and it wasn’t going anywhere.

                The revisionist history, if there is such, is the idea that it was a stone-cold certainty that Fromm would be gone this year and that Fields would be the starter. That just wasn’t a certainty and wasn’t until a month before the NFL draft.

                Fields could just as easily be riding the pine right now at UGA waiting for his DJ Shockley season.

                I know it’s been stated here, and I’m not gonna challenge the statement because perhaps the person has inside knowledge, that Fields didn’t want to leave. But I’ll guarantee this, without any inside knowledge, Fields didn’t want to sit on the bench for three years.

                If all the arguments that have been levied here for why a player with lesser abilities needed to start because of experience applied 2 years ago, they would have applied last year. Jake still would have had longer in the system and in theory a greater mastery of the playbook. And the same would be true this year.

                Fields showed flashes of brilliance and felt he deserved a bigger spot in the offense. Kirby wanted Jake to be Jake.

                The rest is history.

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                • I looked at the play-by-play chart from the game. I didn’t read anything that would indicate Jake was outplayed or that Fields added a spark. I didn’t go back and look at the film. We had some protection issues in that game with multiple sacks. Fields had some good runs in that game.

                  I get that Fields didn’t want to sit on the bench. I also get that nothing happened in 2018 that warranted replacing the guy who did everything but win the national championship the year before and was better as a sophomore than he was as a freshman.

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    • Ken Luke

      I still don’t think Kirby made the wrong decision. Fromm still has one more playoff win and one more NC game appearance than Fields.

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  14. Corch Irvin Meyers, New USC Corch (2021)

    Senator, you may want to make this it’s own blog post:

    Andy Staples is picking us to win the SEC and National Titles. Most of the writers there pick us to make the CFB Playoff Field as the fourth team.

    Bruce Feldman, who’s REALLY in love with Sideshow Dan the Clown has them in the playoff, but not as the eventual champion.

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  15. aucarson

    The majority of “students” at UAT are out-of-state party mongers who can attend there cheaper than a northern school. Whatever pays the bills I guess…

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  16. Ozam

    I think the post highlights an issue in today’s social media driven world. ANYONE with a computer and internet connection can publicly voice an opinion.

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  17. PTC DAWG

    Not clicking on that BS….

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  18. Castleberry

    Two thirds of the QBs who’ve started for Kirby are on an NFL roster. Your move Dakota.

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