No longer in love

Given how high the folks at PFF were on Jamie Newman, this shouldn’t come as any real surprise:

Jamie Newman was set to give the Georgia Bulldogs a real shot of winning the 2020 National Championship, but those aspirations for the program are now on hold after his decision to opt out. Former USC quarterback JT Daniels will now lead the offense for the Bulldogs, and as much as people want to point to him being a former five-star recruit, the drop off between Newman and Daniels is significant.

How significant?  This significant:

With Daniels under center for the Bulldogs, they are no longer a top-five team in college football. 

Basically, he doesn’t find a single thing that Daniels did well as the starting quarterback at USC and concludes he has a long way to go merely to become serviceable.

I don’t want to come off as a bully with all the negative talk and data on Daniels, but I do want to make sure that people know that Newman’s opt-out is a big deal. Georgia had a shot of being crowned the national champions this year with Newman leading the offense, but that is now on the back burner.

No Daniels Dawg porn, in other words.

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68 responses to “No longer in love

  1. The expectations that were being placed on Newman were getting to be too much. At least we can get back to being excited about a season that still has a lot of promise, but not insane expectations. I also figure that they truly were neck and neck in practice. I’ve read more than one account that Monken favored Daniels. Who knows, but I’ve stepped back from the ledge.

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    • Tony BarnFart

      If the author were as good a QB evaluator as he would have us believe, he would be doing what Todd Monken does for a living.

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  2. FlyingPeakDawg

    What National Championship this year?

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    • Skeptic Dawg

      Flying, you ask a valid question. Are you questioning the validity of the season due to 2/5’s of the P5 not being involved this year, or do you not think the football season will last that long due to the virus? In my opinion, the playoffs and national title are rendered meaningless due to the Pac10 and B10 not being included. I view this football season as one huge scrimmage and an extended prep for 2021. There will be kids that miss games due to the virus. There will be cancelled games due to the virus. I just don’t see how 2020 can be viewed a legitimate season.

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      • David Basham

        No different that national championships claimed during the war years. I really don’t care if there are multiple champions this year, so if the Pac 12 and Big Ten want to square off for a spring national title, that’s fine by me.

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      • FlyingPeakDawg

        It’s a 10 game season. Maybe an SECCG. Two P5 conferences missing. That’s best case scenario. Call it what you want, it will have an asterisk and just not the same. COVID CHAMPS is not really a tee shirt I’m interested in buying. Let the kids play, have fun, go to some bowls.

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        • Russ

          If we won a 10 game SEC schedule, an SEC CG and any playoff past that, I’d claim that no doubt. It would be at least as hard as a typical season with 4 cupcakes spread through 12 games, and probably harder.

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          • FlyingPeakDawg

            Win the SEC (yes…arguably tougher assuming no COVID byes or decimated teams Which may be a huge if) and beat Texas in the Sugar Bowl. Fun? Hell yes. NC banner hanging in Sanford? Meh…. If they do a four team playoff with only 3 conferences, you could see us playing Bama 3 times. That’s just forcing an unnecessary issue. Play ten, conference championship, go bowling. Good riddance to this year.

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            • As it should be. Oregon and Ohio state both had excellent chances of being in the play off. And certainly Ohio state would have been. It’s not their fault.

              Tennessee has 44 players that just went in lockdown. This season is stupid. If it even finishes. Just have to enjoy it for what it is. This national championship talk is silly

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  3. Derek

    That’s what I’ve been concerned about. The whole “next man up” and “so what?” attitude is wrongheaded.

    This is going to hurt. We may be better on offense in 2021 for it, but thats the only silver lining.

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    • If we hadn’t take a “next man up” approach with Jacob season in 2017, I don’t think we end up on the doorstep of a national title.

      He isn’t here and isn’t coming back, so you have to say next man up.

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      • Eason – damn autocorrect

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      • Derek

        We aren’t going to be able to rely on Nick and Sony for offense this year. The OL isn’t dominant enough to think we can just ride Zeus and co. We’re going to need plays from the qb position this year if we want a big year.

        The regular season game we lost in 2017 had a lot to do with taking a first year starter into an sec west stadium. That was Jake’s 9th start.

        Alabama is game 4.

        Unless the other 21 spots are really outstanding, average qb play will end up costing us.

        There’s always the chance that the qb we end up with is an outstanding talent that makes plays, picks up cheap first downs and protects the ball, but the probabilities aren’t with us.

        I’ve gone from thinking we could really stomp our way through this schedule to contemplating that we may not win the east and even if we do we won’t be able to post a number that will win in ATL.

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  4. Dylan Dreyer's Booty

    Not sure why PFF thinks Daniels is now the QB; the rumors from one guy who says he has knowledge is that Mathis is who is looking good. I have no idea if he knows what he is talking about, but I do think it is wrong to think anything except that there is a legitimate battle among 4 pretty talented guys.

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    • Derek

      No offense to Dwan but if he is our best qb, thats even worse. He’s a talented project just recovered from a brain injury.

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      • Dylan Dreyer's Booty

        I don’t think he had a brain injury – as in a concussion – I think he had brain surgery to remove a growth. I personally know a kid in medical school at UGA who had a similar condition and operation. He graduated and is now a doctor, and this was all in the last year. And then there is this: he’s been cleared to play; PFF’s anointed one has not. I hope that this is a battle for who plays best, and if it is then I think we will be fine.

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      • rugbydawg79

        6 6 AND RAN A 10.8 100 m in HS. I am pulling for him to get on the field.

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        • Derek

          He has the physical gifts. Not sure if he’s filled out. He was rail thin in HS. I wish he had more live reps. An all sec schedule is a baptism by fire and week four could get ugly. If saban and crew take our qbs confidence with them, like they did to lambert, it could get “bumpy” to say the least.

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  5. Why not D’wan Mathis? His skills seem closer to that of Newman’s. Or maybe he’ll be another that never sees the field.

    This whole it’s about one player thing is ridiculous but not surprising. Maybe Newman was the answer but he hasn’t even played a down under this system and against SEC talent. Oh well- selfishly, I’m getting closer to wishing the season wouldn’t happen anyway.

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    • Why NOT D’Wan? Great point. Not only would be good for Georgia, but the best kind of come-back story. I like where your head is at?

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    • Down Island Way

      Let the staff coach up these student athletes, let the OC do the work he was hired to do, let the position coaches earn their worth…the title goes through the sec, UGA will be there in the end (media narrative not with standing)…we will see if Kirbs has grown in the HC department this season (2020?)….

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  6. Greg

    None of those guys know, unless they are there at practice…..even then, they still don’t know.

    One thing that I do know, or at least feel that I know. If he wasn’t 100% committed to being a Dawg (versus pro), we are more than likely better off without him.

    Got to be all in…

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    • Derek

      This sounds exactly like the preseason talk about how much better off we’d be in 2009 with Matt and Knowshon playing on sundays.

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      • Greg

        Always the contrarian, you must be 1 poor lonely SOB.

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        • Derek

          Always is a bit strong.

          I try to be a realist.

          I don’t think there was a person who walked into the dome in January of 2018 who was as confident as I was that Jalen Hurts couldn’t beat us. I’m as optimistic as they come when its called for.

          I’ve been exuberantly confident when no one else was and I’ve been coldly cynical when everyone was optimistic.

          The chances of being 3-0 and having a chance in Tuscaloosa have diminished greatly. No objective observer can argue that.

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          • Greg

            Sometimes you are like a little child, hard to tell which way you are coming from sometimes…..but fair enough.

            Nonetheless, point is….we all didn’t know what we were getting in Newman. Whether he would adapt, whether he was the best QB on the roster and etc.

            My point was, would rather have someone on roster that wants to be there. Newman may have made the best choice for himself and the team….who knows, time will tell.

            But then you have stuff like this:

            and some think the transfer in from USC may be the better fit for the new offense.

            Time will tell, this is a different team than the one from ‘09 with a different coach. Can’t compare it.

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            • Derek

              Well, obviously I was bullish on Newman. I like the rest of the room. Just not sure any of them are sec ready. Newman seemed like he had Newton like physical capabilities and potential with greater throwing accuracy. Disappointed I won’t get to see him and a bit cynical that any of the rest of these guys can run through this schedule.

              I can compare “we’re better off with Joe” and the “we’ll be fine with whoever takes the qb position”, because they’re comparable situations. People don’t want to admit a talent/experience drop has an impact. If our qb struggles fandom will put it on the oc as per usual.

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          • I will take that challenge, sir! I just need some time to, uh, consult my notes.

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      • PTC DAWG

        Remind again what UGA won with Matt & Co?

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  7. NotMyCrossToBear

    UGA will suit up, show up, and play. A5 this point I just wan5 to watch some football.

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  8. Illini84

    Lotta weepin goin on Gameday.

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    • Greg

      Yeah, just saw that (Herbstreit). If I were a betting man, I’d say that was FAKE!

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      • Greg

        This, right?

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        • Derek

          My opinion of Kirk just went way, way up.

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          • Greg

            “ If I woke up tomorrow with my head sewn to the carpet, I wouldn’t be more surprised than I am now.”

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          • It’s impossible to judge a man’s heart, but that strikes me as sincere. Sincerity and emotion don’t always lead to sound policy. Until everyone on both sides acknowledge that these are complex problems with complex solutions, and no one person, no one party, no one movement has all the answers, we’ll just keep talking past each other. I give Herbstreit credit for being brave enough as a man to show emotion. Too many of us are taught that’s a sign of weakness. But what I want to see is an honest, empirical discussion of the police and how many lives they save, relative to the few that die in police custody. My cousin was killed last year by sheriff’s deputies in Alabama. He was unarmed. He was white. He was poor, and he had bi-polar with psychotic features. His own mom was the one who called the police, and she told him about his mental illness. A lot of these problems break down on class lines, are related to mental illness, and the militarization of the police, as well as asking them to do way too much. I apologize if this a subject better reserved for the Playpen, but something has to give here. This isn’t only a black-white problem. It’s a complex societal with many moving parts. I appreciate the show of emotion, but what I really want are cool-headed grown-ups who understand that we mostly want the same things and understand the art of compromise. Sorry guys, I’ll show myself out.

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            • Derek

              Save the implicit notion that “maybe we should be ok with some number of LE murders if the overall ledger favors LE” part, agreed.

              Zero is the only acceptable number in a free society.

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              • Do you seriously believe that’s possible? I don’t. I think it should be the ideal. But just like eliminating all crime, all murder, all theft, all drug trafficking…it won’t ever happen. Unless you believe there is no such thing in the world as evil. My major premise is that true evil exists. And as long as it does, LE will get killed in the line of duty, people of all races and classes will die in police custody, people will be murdered, property will be taken, kidnapping and rape will happen. LE deaths are a form of evil, one I have a direct and tragic experience with, but – while I agree there has been AND STILL IS systemic racism in LE, and that is a particularly virulent form of evil – my cousin died in police custody and it had nothing to do with his race – white guy killed by a female white deputy. It was his class and mental health status that doomed him. My point is that simply looking at these problems in terms of race is a false binary. I would love to see reforms, for example, that include clear mental health encounters with LE be responded to by people who are unarmed, and have only non-lethal defense available to them. The way police treat addicts is also shameful. I also think we should find better ways of minimizing risks to LE who do a hard job, that right now is more difficult than ever, that are non-lethal. We put a man on the moon, surely we can find a way to restrain people who are a danger themselves and others through no fault of their own. I think we agree in principle, I just am more cynical about what we can expect as outcomes. My college roommate is a highly decorated deputy at jurisdiction in the south, and he’s the best kind of cop. The kind you’d want if your family member were to be involved in a police encounter. And he is in danger a lot. He’s more terrified right now about making a mistake that would lead to protests and mayhem in his small town than his own well-being. He has four kids. He’s one of the true good guys. There are decent people on both sides. There are also evil people on both sides. That’s all I was trying to say. I would apologize to the Senator but I truly try to use my experience to bridge gaps, and will now exit stage left. Derek, I always love your perspective. Please try to respect mine.

                I am very sad for our country right now. Sigh…

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                • Derek

                  I said I agreed with what you wrote.

                  Accept it.

                  I’m not suggesting what is achievable, I’’m suggesting what we should all agree is desirable.

                  And we must always distinguish between what we do together via government and what individuals do on their own.

                  These are NOT the same things. I have no say in what the BTK killer does. I do have some, albeit modest, say in how our government goes about bringing people like him to justice.

                  I can insist on a just government. I can’t insist on a just populace. They should never be compared to each other.

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                • Then we DO agree. Thank you, Derek. I wish more people would talk like this. Humility on both sides. Now let’s transition back to wringing our hands over the impending debacle of a college football season.

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                • We’re good, right? Yes I need that sweet affirmation, lol.

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        • PTC DAWG

          Good grief..

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        • gurkhadawg

          WTF is he crying about?

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        • TN Dawg

          Bwahahahahahaha!

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  9. Derek

    Should this happen and Fromm, Fields, and Newman aren’t playing anywhere, but chose not to play here in 2020, what will punditry say about it?

    https://www.si.com/college/georgia/news/jake-fromm-likely-cut-buffalo-bills

    Interesting times…

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  10. rigger92

    I think the statements above are a little harsh, but I think there is some truth there. We absolutely do have a top 5 team. With all of the hype we saw about Newman and his physical gifts, he just looked like he had all of the answers for us. Big strong guy, mobile, great arm, durable. With Daniels or Mathis we just haven’t seen what we are getting so I understand that now our offense is a question mark a bit heavier than a month ago.

    Let the coaches do their jobs, let the player’s do their “jobs”. With an all SEC schedule this may well be the best CFB season I have had the pleasure of following.

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  11. No Dawg porn TV today either. SECN is airing the 2012 SECCG and CBS is showing the 2019 SECCG. Thanks for the double lashing!

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  12. UT in a big mess. 44 players in 2 week lock down.

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