If you think it was frustrating watching this on the broadcast…
… imagine what it was like sitting in the stadium watching the routes open and the protection hold up, only to see that.
You know how to *take* the deep shot, you just don’t know how to *complete* the deep shot.
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True. And I wonder if it Kirby doesn’t sit on his ass and allow a replay when that WR knee was down? Clear on TV his knee was down. Why didn’t we snap the ball? It took the play from 3rd and 1 to 3rd and 7? Critical part of the game too.
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Click on the film don’t lie hashtag. That worked for me
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Poor Monken. Imagine how infuriating it must be to call perfect plays, then watch your QB and/or WR/TE blow it again and again. I’ll bet he wishes he were back with the Browns.
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I doubt that because from what I understand, he wasn’t calling the plays last season.
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Interesting. Did not know that.
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I’m impressed with Monken’s play calling/scheming because we’re getting guys open all over the field.
Who’s responsibility is it to coach these QBs to execute better? We have 4 guys worthy of D1 scholarships, so supposedly they’ve hit these types of passes before. Why can’t anyone do it now?
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Good question. Either we have the worst QB group in the conference, or the worst QB coach in the conference. Either way, the problem appears to be here for the remainder of the year.
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Isn’t Monken the QB Coach?
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Yes, and apparently he isn’t doing so hot right now on the QB development part. I understand they didn’t have a spring; whatever, his boys couldn’t hit water if they fell out of a boat right now, so scheming receivers open all day is pointless.
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Monken can’t throw the ball for them…
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Google search on QB Coach duties – works on the quarterback’s footwork, pass-drop technique, and throwing motion. He makes sure a quarterback doesn’t fall into bad mental or physical habits.
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My point is, if he is teaching it the QBs have to be willing/able to absorb the lessons.
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Some chicken shit cannot be made into chicken salad. There are limits.
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We need Mike DeBord.
He taught Tom Brady everything he knows at Michigan. He literally sculpted the GOAT!
DeBord took those prodigious talents all the way to San Diego Fleet as their OC in 2019.
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So, you don’t see a problem with QB development?
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There and receivers imo….
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If you repeatedly fail to hit wide-open receivers, as SBIV and D’Wan did on Saturday, and you’re your team’s best options at QB, as SBIV and D’Wan apparently were on Saturday, then your team is screwed.
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As we were on Saturday…
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And that is the most important part.
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We had our one shot at a natty in 2017. I felt that way sitting in MBS watching 2nd and 26, and I feel it now more than ever.
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And of course, the thing we’re not supposed to mention is that the majority of that roster was recruited by Mark Richt. Kirby has since recruited one stellar group after another yet we’re playing Stetson Bennett. A DGD no doubt, but nowhere near being an elite quarterback.
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Richt did it with Donnans recruits yall!
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Donnan did it with Goff’s recruits!
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Goff did it with Dooley’s recruits!
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No, Vince got while the gettin’ was good because he knew he didn’t have any recruits.
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I know. I was just jokin’.
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This, we’ll look back and realize our best team, possibly ever at UGA and our most successful season in decades wasn’t good enough to beat a ho hum by saban standards team.
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And the best coaching staff in total, with the best resources.
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I have to believe BV is going to come in and tear it up in this offense if Monken stays. The kid has an Eason quality arm and can move as well.
I knew we weren’t winning an SEC title or beating Bama when Newman left, but I also didn’t think JT Daniels wouldn’t be the starter by now.
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Do you wonder (as I do) what they saw in Daniels in the first place if he is so poor they think he wouldn’t now be better than either of two Division 2-level QBs? Why bring him in at all if this wasn’t the exact scenario they envisioned when recruiting him?
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Hearing some of the rumors about his insurance policy makes you think he may be available per UGA but not by his injury insurer
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Well your insurance company doesn’t decide if you play.
Your insurance company decides if they will cover your injuries.
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Yes, but depending on how the policy is setup the family could be out a ton of money if he plays, but I would have to imagine a top tier donor would cover that part to get Georgia out of the QB situation they are in right now.
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I expect that a donor supplementing insurance coverage would be an additional benefit not allowed under the NCAA rules.
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True, but schools can pay injury insurance premiums if my memory is correct.
Maybe the family setup the policy before he transferred to UGA
I am just speculating, obviously.
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I would think any ACA compliant policy would covet pre-existing conditions.
I don’t know.
It’s all conjecture.
I would imagine one of the 90 beat writers covering UGA football and SEC football could just ask a nebulous question like “Are there external factors effecting Daniels’ availability?” and it would put that baby to bed.
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We’d know the answer 90 days later after the FOI had worked its way through Kirby’s system.
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Could be that he already had a policy that could potentially in effect if he can’t play anymore. Before playing he wants to make sure that he can play or have another policy that will cover the knee which no one will likely touch now.
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True – good point.
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Well if he doesn’t get on the field and play in college, there is not going to be any NFL career or “lost wages” for either the insurance company or JT and his family, to have to worry about….
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If that is true and I wouldn’t doubt it at all. Why not just tell the media that?
The optics for Kirby and QB’s are probably the worst in the nation right now.
Also, does this mean he goes pro after this year. Why would the insurance clear him for next season if there not going to clear him for this season?
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That doesn’t make sense to me. Why would the insurance company distinguish between practice (where he is going full speed) and games? I get that there is no contact in practice for QB’s, but most ACL/MCL type injuries occur in non-contact plays. He’s just as likely to get injured running the scout team as in a game. Seems like an insurance company that deals with sports would understand that.
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I have no idea … it seems as reasonable as any other conversations as to why JTD isn’t playing. He has to be better than Bennett or Mathis or the recruiting services are a huge scam (which may be the case).
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I watched a lot of his USC games here on the west coast.
Trust me he’s better.
It’s not a talent thing keeping him off the field it’s something else.
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I would not touch Kirby with a 10 foot pole if God granted me a body and skill set potentially worth 1st round NFL QB territory.
Prior performance as predictor, all that.
Eason left. Fields left. Fromm left. Newman left.
Yes, different reasons in each situation. It’s still a disturbing pattern. And we’re now into season 2 of the QB position looking like a car wreck.
Kirby can pitch BV as being the missing link to a title. Other coaches can pitch getting him ready for the NFL, with a track record.
We’ll see what happens.
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ASEF, read my comment on the QB thread from after the game and all day Sunday – yesterday at 4:45 pm
https://blutarsky.wordpress.com/2020/11/07/when-you-have-no-quarterbacks-you-have-no-quarterbacks/#comment-767200
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ee, great summary of an amazing string of bad luck (?) or bad development. Hopefully BV starts a new era, but we definitely need to get the offense straightened out or Kirby is going to end up wasting a lot of good will (and great players).
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Great point. You mentioned that recruiting QBs is the toughest position, and I don’t agree with that. I think knowing which QB you can develop and tailor your team to is the tough part. Let me explain….
Kirby’s philosophy is competition. Deep roster competing for playing time means guys are giving it their all in the weight room, the “optional” workouts, practices, and games. The best rises to the top, but the 2nd string guy is motivated to get more playing time. Look at our defense or OL and you see that it works.
But it doesn’t work for the QB position. The staff has to pick a guy and put all of their energy into that guy. He is till the guy after an awful game. There isn’t any competition unless the guy has repeated bad games, and that means the coaches picked the wrong guy. This means that the 2nd string guy who is almost as good leaves for playing time, and the guy who stays is really not very good.
I think the hardest position to recruit is a QB that’s good enough to be your career backup, but not good enough to bolt for playing time. You need that guy to span games or a season when it the elite QB is injured, leaves for the NFL, or is a bust.
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Yep….it doesn’t look good. Hope we are not looking at a train wreck if the OC decides to go to greener pastures..
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Yes, and Ohio State is playing a guy who transferred in. That means that none of their recruits panned out. IT happens. Oklahoma has made hay with transfers as well. Burrow was a transfer. Our 2021 qb isn’t on the roster yet and he won’t be a true freshman.
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I just really hope we have a somewhat normal off-season and Monken or whatever QB whisperer we hire will get one of these guys going for next season. We can’t continue to have “new offense” learning curves every other season.
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I’m cautiously optimistic we should have a spring practice at least. I’m less optimistic Monken sticks around if an NFL team offers him. Really hope he sticks around though, as with an actual QB, this offense would be a nightmare matchup
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Holding and Completing are the hardest part.
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It’s a problem. We hit receivers on rare occasions. They catch the ball on even rarer occasions.
Kirby needs to go and find some basketball forwards and centers and recruit them to play football. I say that in all seriousness. Centers are tall, physical guys that are used to having to outmuscle other tall physical guys to control the ball.
I can’t stand the game announcing crew, but Danielson said over and over how , if you have a QB, you can be in every game (or something like that).
He probably should have mentioned the need for receivers that will catch the ball.
At least one of Georgia’s receivers is a head case that panics when the ball gets to him..he has no confidence in his own ability. As the ball arrives he thinks, “I can’t catch it” and he doesn’t.
If Kirby doesn’t come up with some quick answers, Georgia isn’t through losing games this year.
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When is someone going to call out Cortez Hankton? Landers — BUST. DRob — BUST (where was the layout for the long throw?) TBush — nowhere to be found. Fitzpatrick — hands of stone. Blount — BUST. I thought I saw a walk-on WR playing. All poor route runners and none could catch a boulder inflated w helium.
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FitzPatrick is a tight end.
Bush has been struggling with injuries since he set foot on campus. You want to call Hankton out because he can’t lay hands on him and heal?
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So Hankton doesn’t work with any of the RB’s or TE’s on catching skills? You’re FOS. And it is not what I have witnessed in person. But while you’re defending “coach”, let’s hear about the other knuckleheads that have shown no progression under his guidance. My point — “Next man up” has zero meaning in WR corp.
And trust me, I realize the deficiencies at QB — not making excuses.
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I always hate it when I have to defer to some anonymous commenter who claims to have witnessed the coaching staff’s work “in person”.
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Gonna be a dawg fight in each game left to play. LOTS and LOTS of injuries, Dawgs seem to be out of it (East). Hopes that some of these injured players decide to say FOCK it and sit for the remainder of the games.
Hopes Kirby doesn’t lose this team (motivation). Guess we will see how good of a coach he really is.
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State and Mizzou yes, but Vandy and SCar are giant dumpster fires at this point.
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I don’t remember a time when we had a QB that was good at hitting the deep ball.
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Greene and Murray were pretty good at it.
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Fromm threw a really nice deep ball early in his career.
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Add Stafford to the list.
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The ball to Blaylock in the Auburn game last year was absolutely perfect.
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Sad it’s been that long.
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Yes they were….wanted to say Stafford, but his completion percent wasn’t that good from what I remember. But when he hit them in stride, it was beautiful.
Overall, Greene may be my all-time favorite QB……miss the naked bootleg plays, the play fakes when both the QB and RB sell it….hob nail boot play, the leadership & etc.
Great college QB.
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I want to watch Greene’s 2004 game vs LSU again (and then immediately forget the game that happened a week later.)
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So, contrarian point here: it’s stuff like this that shows me the theory that Kirby is married to man ball and unwilling to get a divorce simply isn’t true. Sure, he went into the UK game with a manball game plan but he didn’t need anything else against the Wildcats. Georgia featured a lot of plays like that, but we didn’t have the quarterback to complete the throws (and we also had an infuriating number of dropped passes when the QB was on target). If you go back and watch the Alabama and Florida games (not that I’d ever suggest you do such a thing) you’ll see that Monken had some really well designed plays to scheme open receivers and allow them to do damage, but we didn’t have the execution. Give him a spring and summer with hopefully a more competent quarterback and I think you’ll see what the offense was conceived to be. I think Kirby is on board with evolving as an offense based on what I saw Saturday. Now, getting him to take a chance on playing a quarterback who isn’t risk averse and steady like Stetson – that’s another issue. But I don’t think the problem is that Kirby is married to man ball anymore. if anything, we may have gone away from man ball too soon – the run was there against Florida and we went away from it for long stretches.
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I don’t really buy the dropped ball thing.
CKS develops receivers well.
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UK was the chance to practice that stuff real time. The translation from practice to a game is abysmal.
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Yep. LSU wasn’t holding back and just running vs expected wins like GA Southern last season. If you want an aggressive explosive offense, they have to play that way every week.
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Just my opinion, but thinks Kirby has been married to control. It may not be as much as it was in the past, but it is still there and it has ended up biting him in the ass.
Losing as many OC as he has sure hasn’t helped. No way to develop any continuity.
Katie bar the door if he loses the one he has now…but it wouldn’t surprise me if he does.
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Contrarian opinion, I think manball would have worked against florida just fine. But you can’t decide to play manball and not execute.
Manball means playing elite defense, florida has a great offense but letting damon pierce pick up 5 yards a carry whenever they need it ain’t manball. Np pressure on Trask after the first two scoring drives ain’t manball. Manball defense means if the opponent scores they earned every yard of am 80 yard drive not ripping off big play after big play.
In offense, man ball means running the ball well which after the first drive completely evaporated.
Florida has a great offense but the fact of the matter is aside from a couple plays on our part early they simply whipped us on both sides of the ball on both lines of scrimmage.
Long story short, If you want manball to be your identity you better be able to execute it. Right now we’re a team that wants to be physical, play defense and run the ball but do all 3 very poorly.
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The effect of the J.Davis loss was glaringly obvious.
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and J. Rochester
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Hypothetically, how does UGA look Saturday if Mac Jones or Kyle Trask is throwing it. The receivers aren’t going above and beyond, I get that. But they’re at least OPEN. That ok and of itself is a new thing for us. Even in 2017, 2018, it was contested catches and back shoulders. Monken has them running free!
Kirby has a huge job on his hands keeping Monken on staff and young talent on offense from transferring. Washington, Burton, Rosemy-Jacksaint, Blaylock, McIntosh, Milton, Edwards, Pickens (wild card, nobody knows), and yes, Daniels and Beck.
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Watching those 2 clips points out lack of game experience and full understanding of the UF defense and your own sets. Looks as if both QBs rush the play a little and the receivers do not sell out for a catch. There were some shorter routes they could have gone thru but they locked on the deep route. Move the chains and get in routine.
Wonder how much of lack of practice time and reps last week impacted the offense. Not sure I would have taken Tuesday off.
Some Georgia high school coaches like the 7 on 7 games. Reps…lots of them in game like situations.
So how does Monken and Smart handle their QBs and receivers during week for a game.
Another short week due to a 4th game on the road.
Would not have gone the route of playing in JAX to satisfy a bunch of old dawgs…still trapped in the past…think of manball at the same time. More so with limited attendance and the virus.
Should have made Gators travel. Slow learners in Athens.
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“Should have made Gators travel.”
If we had done that, we would be playing next year in front of 90,000 in the Swamp, and I doubt they would have given us 45,000 tickets.
Talk about slow learners …
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h/t for the Seinfeld reference in the header, Senator.
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If we had been at full strength and lost this way, then i would agree with some of you but we were not so i am not in ‘the Georgia has lost their way’ camp.
I look at as
We went up by 14 when our walk 5 foot nothing-100 pound nothing qb threw a bullet td pass to our backup wr – who both were injured on the play. All of our mojo stopped when MRJ had his ankle bent the wrong way.
We lost a RB, we lost our best secondary guy on a freekish targeting play, etc
Our D held Fl to 6 points in the 2nd half. They held serve and gave us a chance in 2nd Half and if Webb collects Trask’ gift and scores then we are one score away.
I just don’t buy that we have fallen off the cliff.
All I am saying is that even with all those flaws we still had a shot even with a walk on and a recovering brain surgery patient for QBs and a D that couldn’t stop a wheel route(do you really think if Lecounte is playing that happens 7 times in a game…) still had a shot to beat the turds.
Again had we been at full strength and lost to the turds then i would have a different perspective.
I still think we have a Winston Wolfe type leading us.
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Aw come on man, EVERYBODY knows Kirby sux and he RAN Fields off. /s
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And kirby planted Sasser, Fields’ now husband and mother of their adopted children, in the stands to scream racial epithets so that Fields would get a waiver.
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Kirby just needs to learn how to coach! I have neither played or coached football at he college level but I do have an opinion. CKS has got to be the worst HC hire at an SEC school ever, other than Mike Leach at MSU of course. If he would have just benched Fromm and let Fields play as a TF and changed the offense entirely to fit Fields we would not be having this problem right now! Why can’t he see this!?!?
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You have excellent hindsight. I’m sure you were saying this in 2018.
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I know! I’m almost as good as Corch.
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I’m sorry if my sarcasm detector didn’t go off earlier this afternoon …
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No worries! Happens to us all.
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Just another typical Georgia season. Something will always go wrong and now there is nothing to play for. They sure have a knack for disappointing the fans. We keep kidding ourselves into thinking that UGA is an elite program.
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Do like Mike Leach says, and select another team.
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Anyone notice how even though Mullen had a Heisman candidate out there dealing it, he put in his backup with MEANINGFUL snaps and LET HIM RUN THE OFFENSE?
The Fromm / Fields thing has somehow retroactively become “Was Kirby supposed to sit Fromm in 2018???” which is not the correct question to ask
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I didn’t notice that, and even checking the box score I don’t see any pass attempts by Emory Jones. “Bringing the back up in to just run it” was exactly what Chaney was rightly criticized for with Fields.
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I saw Emory Jones (who has been the heir apparent for 2 years now) run the “Fields” package on a couple of occasions. Meaning, he came in and ran a read option a couple of times.
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To me it looked like both Bennett and Mathis had no touch or feel when throwing the deep ball. Throwing a football is not a physics problem where the QB figures out velocity, angles, acceleration, etc. It’s muscle memory, which is developed by throwing the ball thousands of times to your receivers in practice. I remember Joe Burrow saying when he got to LSU he and the receivers got together and he threw to them all winter. Because of that dickhead Newman, SB and DM have not gotten those reps. If you put Burrow in the same situation, he wouldn’t have the kind of year he had in 2019.
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Rashod Bateman, WR, ranked 8th on Todd McShay’s 2021 NFL draft prospect list. Was rated #385 nationally, #61 at his position, and #40 from his state in his 2018 recruiting class. Plays for the Univ of Minnesota…FROM TIFTON, GEORGIA!
Just how good at recruiting are we, really?
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I watched Minnesota play Michigan & Maryland. I don’t want their players.
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You don’t want a player that someone who knows more than you or me says is the 8th best prospect in the upcoming NFL draft? Cool.
I mean, the argument can certainly be made that he wouldn’t be performing at that level with our QBs.
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Ten players out of 32 on Todd McShay’s 2021 NFL draft prospect list are from the SEC. None from UGA. More on the list from Missouri, Wake Forest, and North Dakota St. than from UGA. In fairness, we did sign a player from Ohio St. who is on the list at #2.
Just how good at player development are we, really?
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Should just fire everyone and start over from scratch.
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If McShay doesn’t have some of our defensive players on his draft list, then he’s a bigger idiot than I thought.
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