Oh, honey, no.

Kirby gets asked the obvious question about why so long to pull the trigger with Daniels and goes all in the arena on us in response.

That’s a shame.  Unnecessary, too, as there’s a legitimate argument to be made about the timing.  Just ask Smart himself.

Speaking of straight from the horse’s mouth…

Health.  Reps.  Coaching strategy.  None of those worked in favor of an early insertion of Daniels into the starting lineup.  I’d add to that the reality that the cracks in Bennett’s edifice didn’t start showing up until the second half of the Alabama game.  A Kentucky win followed and that would have made a change at the starting spot prior to the Florida game open to question, too.

So I get all that.  But Smart should, too.  It’s been a frustrating year.  We’re fans.  We’re naturally prone to second-guessing coaches.  None of that’s surprising, or at least it shouldn’t be for someone who’s been coaching for twenty years.  And, yes, of course, we’re glad you got JT here, Kirbs.  Just don’t rub being in the arena in our faces.

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  1. gurkhadawg

    20/20 hindsight is always pretty accurate. It’s much more difficult to make decisions in real time. Of course, I don’t get paid millions to make sure my best QB is ready and able when the time comes. A little humility would go a long way.

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  2. Russ

    A change after the Kentucky game would have made a lot of sense, and maybe won the Florida game.

    I obviously believe Kirby thought he was making the right call, but now I wonder about his ability to evaluate QB talent. Or did Monken see the same thing? We will never know for sure but the difference between JT and the other 2 was huge and immediate.

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    • Again, all I can tell you is the whispering I heard was that his recovery took a while and his mechanics needed work. Time is the best medicine for both, assuming he’s being repped wisely.

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      • Russ

        Yeah, I get that. And no one wants to win more than Kirby. It just seems hard to imagine that JT 2 weeks ago would be so much worse than the JT we saw last night.

        Water under the bridge. Now Kirby just needs to fully embrace what he has in the passing game, fix his defense, and get ready for Clemson to start next season.

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        • The thing is, once Smart decided not to change QBs after ‘Bama, he lost having an extra week to get Daniels reps with the ones. Mizzou being cancelled gave him the next opportunity for that.

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          • Corch Irvin Meyers, New USC Corch (2021)

            That is the origin of this particular sin. Not getting JT ready to start in the two weeks between the Bama loss and Kentucky is where Kirby lost this season.

            The man is making a bad of habit of making the kind of terrible decisions that costs his team wins on the biggest stages.

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            • bigjohnson1992

              Agreed. After Bama when it became clear Stetson hit his ceiling like a high speed car crash. Not a single series or pass attempt for this kid all year long until yesterday? Did Kirby honestly think all those garbage snaps should have gone to Mathis?

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      • Munsoning

        His mechanics still need work. I’ve never seen a QB throw a deep ball with as flimsy a base as JT. Brady throws deep like a pitcher throwing a 100-mph fastball.

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        • Yes, he’s got that floating hind leg on those throws…

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          • bigjohnson1992

            But you guys are happy with the results right? Just need to ask. Now we are into style points? Could give a f—k how he LOOKS throwing dimes 50 yards downfield. Even most mechanically sound qbs cant do what you saw last night. He could throw the ball underhanded for all I care. That kid has a rocket attached to his shoulder. The ball hisses when it goes by. Function def over form in this instance.

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      • Biggen

        His new mechanics still look rough. His back foot is like a karate kick out to the side after a long throw.

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    • jdawg108

      I would venture during the Kentucky game. Out JT out there and set him loose in the second half. See what is what against a decent defense.

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    • Greg

      “QB talent”

      Agree, Fields really hurt…..but I don’t blame him for transferring. The way he was used was ridiculous. I had no issue with who the starter was, but I did have issue with bringing Fields in for 1 or 2 plays and then pulling him. You can’t learn & develop this way. Bring him in and let him play….develop.

      I would have transferred too. Kirby is too involved, too autocratic…defense & offense imo. Let your coordinators have some autonomy.

      All of this has come to bite him in the ass.

      He could have learned that from Saban, but it works for Saban & he also keeps evolving with the game…

      I hope Smart is doing this too, because he is a helluva recruiter & hopefully still developing (or has developed) into being a HC. But we are in year 5 now. Unusual year & I can’t hold too much against him this season.

      But next year will be a real test, especially when considering where the team should be after all of this time & looking at the roster. There has been enough of time.

      Not asking for a MNC, just improvement.

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  3. Hogbody Spradlin

    It’s up to you but you might cut him a little slack. Being second guessed and hindsighted 24/7, he’s entitled to a little dig. I’m not snarking one you, just excusing Kirby.

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    • I thought taking credit for bringing Daniels in was totally fair. He made good points about why things took the time they did.

      I simply don’t like coaches playing the in the arena card. Thought it was bullshit when Richt did it and feel the same about last night.

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      • bigjohnson1992

        Agreed. If this was his only ‘miss’ or ‘miscalculation’ or ‘questionable decision’ it’d be fine. But he’s had ALOT of them the last few years.

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  4. Derek

    The quote begins with saying “absolutely he understands why fans would ask why wasn’t JT playing sooner?” The “Ive been coaching 20 years and Monken twice as long” came AFTER that. It wasn’t a “fuck you fans, I know better.” It was there may be reasons to give Monken and I the benefit of the doubt that we aint stupid or stubborn or dont get it.

    Here’s the whole thing: https://bulldawgillustrated.com/sports/uga-football-2/kirby-smart-postgame-interview-georgia-vs-mississippi-state-2020/

    Kirby also said that JT did poorly with decision making in summer camp running with the 1st team.

    All in all I’d say he expressed more respect for the fans than some commentators on a blog express for Kirby.

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    • It wasn’t a “fuck you fans, I know better.”

      Of course it was. Feel free to spin what nuance you see fit, but he could have made the rest of the explanation without resorting to that. He chose otherwise.

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      • Derek

        I recommend people just listen to the presser and make their own judgment about that.

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      • benco04

        Senator,

        Coming off election season, I’m particularly weary of the “I understand your opinion better that you do” take. Kirby said what he said knowing full well how it could be taken. I don’t think it’s up to us as fans to imply something any deeper about how he feels.

        I get that his take rubs you wrong way. But I also don’t see it as a “f you” statement. I see it as Kirbs revealing emotion in trying to explain away what he likely knows is a marginal decision to stick with Stetson and D’Wan as long as he did.

        I don’t think, after what we saw last night, that’s there any plausible explanation for not playing Daniels until now except for the Occam’s razor…he wasn’t ready to go and they couldn’t take a flyer on getting him prepped.

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        • bigjohnson1992

          It was definitely a f—k you statement to the press firstly (for having the gall to ask that ? over and over), and lesser f—k you to the fans. Came across as petty, defensive, small ,and overly sensitive. I would never say to my employees and customers in so many words, ‘it’s my show, I’ve been doing this for blah blah blah number of years. stfu, and next question. Not very diplomatic.

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  5. Kirby needs an attitude adjustment.

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    • James A Mercer Jr

      No, the fans and experts on this blog need an attitude adjustment. You swing back and forth on loving the coach and SBIV from the first three games to the post-Bama: Bennet sucks, Kirby’s dumb mode. CKS does his best, with the staff’s input, to put the best team on the field..he doesn’t have the luxury of hindsight like you do. The GTP’s mantra of “We’re with you, win or tie”…he can’t talk to us that way when we’re showing him the true way is a little bit too much. Bennet had two passes knocked down and he was too short…Daniels had four blocked at 6’3” and no comment on height. We’re not the best team in the SEC, not even the East Division so suck it up and back the team…”there’s always next year”…you should be used to that. And, you’re not the games’ gift to coaching, so STFU for a while.

      ,

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      • LOL. Somebody is not having a good day. Did you wet your pants again?

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        • D as in Dawg

          Every game since Bama should have served as attitude adjustments. Get snarky when your team plays up to their level of talent. 13 Miss St players just came into Athens and whipped your 5 star D for 3 quarters and the only saving grace was the qb you didn’t think was ready until Saturday after the game.

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  6. classiccitycanine

    Kirby, you don’t have the trophy case to get away with being an arrogant asshole to the fans/media (and you probably shouldn’t be that way even if you do have a bunch of trophies). Great leaders admit mistakes when they make them. They don’t insist that others have no right to question them. There are a lot of stupid fans who say unreasonable things, but there’s zero upside to treating every question like it’s dumb. If you start losing the knives come out a lot quicker if you’ve burned up you’re good will by being a jerk.

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  7. I definitely ask if he started because he’s finally healthy or is it because we’re out of the SECC. Daniels says he wasn’t cleared for Arkansas but it was the coaches decision after that. So…I have to assume it’s because we’re out of the east. How was it not obvious who gave us the best chance to win?? Bad downstairs blocking? I’ll never really know but I hope like hell Kirby learns and changes.

    Honestly, I feel Kirby gets hung up on mundane shit. I agree that details are everything but some people have to make mistakes and actually get experience to get better. He seemed hung up on the game manager thing and we were screwed when we didn’t even have that. Someone said we should have changed after Kentucky and I agree 100%. They didn’t pay me millions, though, and there is maybe something else in missing.

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    • Corch Irvin Meyers, New USC Corch (2021)

      Kirby said last night he wanted a more mobile quarterback to help out THE RUN GAME.

      You know… manball.

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      • Biggen

        Running the ball is fine. You can’t throw every down.

        Our problem for the last couple years is having a QB that is accurate and strong enough to throw down the field and stretch out the defense. I’m so tired of seeing 6 to 8 man boxes for the last couple of years because everyone that plays us knows we haven’t had a competent passing attack since 2017.

        Once other teams start seeing we can advance the ball to the receivers down the field everything opens up to Monkin and his bag of tricks.

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    • Yet everyone is so quick to discount that UGa was ahead 14-0 and facing no real defensive resistance v. UF. Then on ONE play the QB and WR are sent out of the game. So… context.

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  8. uga97

    Ask Kirby how many times JT needed to run to covert on 3rd down last night? How many 1st, 2ND & 3Rd dow passes were actually completed in the 2nd quarter of the Florida game? If a QB like Mathis & Bennett can’t even complete passes with their arms, then who gives a crap about legs & scrambling. & despite holding JT out of UK, that UK game plan did absolutely zero to help progress & prep SBIV & his confodence for Fla. 20 years of coaching to admit u wouldnt just try to put in the 2ND string QB when the 3rd & 4th stringers were turning it over and couldn’t get the ball into ANYONE’S hands??? Still, waiting for the day he can just admit, he has not 1 frigging clue on what the he’ll to do with QBs at UGW and when he will finally let the O staff control/decide/handle it.

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    • spur21

      Total Bullshit

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    • Kirby isn’t expecting JT to run the ball. His point, in my opinion, was ability to avoid the rush and buy time in the pocket which JT showed the ability to do last night. Kirby referenced Daniels not being effective avoiding the rush earlier in the season during practice. That took time over the season. It blows my mind people think he was just being stubborn by not playing him against Florida. If he thought Daniels was ready he would have played. Like others have mentioned, Stetson did get us out to a 14-0 lead before the hit on him that could have been flagged.

      Also, not sure if anyone else thinks this, but Stetson isn’t a game manager. He is the opposite of Fromm. He forces passes down field and rarely hits the secondary routes or check downs. His lack of physical tools and talent of a starting QB just make him seem more of a game manager.

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  9. spur21

    Hopefully we can put this Kirby is an asshole – Kirby is stubborn – Kirby doesn’t know what he’s doing shit behind us.

    Do any of you think there is a single game Kirby absolutely wants to win – more than the Florida game – where he wouldn’t put his best chance on the field?

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    • Corch Irvin Meyers, New USC Corch (2021)

      And yet, he didn’t do it. He didn’t prepare the best QB he had because he wanted “mobile QBs to help the run game.”

      He doesn’t want to do everything he can to win. He wants to win his way, period. And if he doesn’t win his way, well, screw everyone else.

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      • spur21

        And you know this because…………………..
        Corch some of your comments are reasonable then you make these wild jumps to shit you have absolutely no knowledge of.

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        • Corch Irvin Meyers, New USC Corch (2021)

          I use available information, including direct quotes, to make intuitive hypothesis.

          Kirby said a couple of weeks ago after the Floriduh loss there was nothing wrong with Daniels knee and he simply felt Bennett-Mathis gave the Dawgs a better chance to win, which now seems like a completely insane thing to say. He said it. You may have forgotten he said, but he said it.

          Now last night, JT confirms he was ready to play, and it was Kirby’s decision to bury him on the Scout Team.

          And we also have Kirby confirming all our worst “Kirby won’t fucking change” fears by saying the reason why he stuck with Bennett and Mathis is because their mobility would “help the run game.” What the ever-loving fuck????

          We have WRs open all over the field all season but Kirby didn’t want to play the QB who could find them because he wanted a mobile QB to HELP THE RUN GAME????

          To say I’m speaking out of turn is a stretch. I’m taking these people at their word. And with Kirby, that also includes reading between the bullshit to find the truth, unless, like last night, he lets a little truth shine through the bullshit.

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          • He also said Daniels couldn’t avoid a pass rush due to his lack of mobility earlier in the season and that it has been a progression for him to gain that back.

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          • silvercreekdawg

            JT’s quote was he was GETTING healthy. I’m only a layman, but to me, that means he wasn’t to the point that he could play. He thought he was ready,. but he figured out he really wasn’t. He credited Ron Courson with making him ready to play.

            Let’s not forget he had a second surgery in January as well.

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    • Considering Mathis and a dinged up Stetson couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn, and how good Daniels looked…yeah I’m going to question whether he tried everything to win. While I’m sure Daniels has improved in the last two weeks I just can’t imagine he was worse than Mathis or Stetson with an injured shoulder.

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    • J.R. Clark

      Good luck with that. We said Wally Butts and Jim Donnan were assholes, We said Vince Dooley and Mark Richt were stubborn. We said Johnny Griffith and Ray Goff didn’t know what they were doing. Now it’s Kirby’s time to get the treatment.

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  10. ASEF

    I’m comfortable saying, given Florida’s secondary and general defensive woes this season, that the Florida game is a W if Daniels starts that game. Don’t tell me 2 weeks was some night and day difference in what Daniels is as a QB. The only thing that changed was the inescapable conclusion that the first two choices at QB were not functional SEC QBs. Which left Option #3. Who, gee, can complete downfield passes and spot which guys have the right matchups and where along the route those mismatches will develop.

    Kudos to MSU for basically daring Georgia to throw. They put it all on shutting down the run game, and I am betting Leach was praying for Kirby to demand an “impose your will” ground game in the second half. To his credit, Kirby did not take the bait.

    I’m still trying to process a MSU offense that got shut out by both Alabama and Kentucky racking up 24 points, none of them freebies off turnovers or special teams screw ups. They just drove the field all night long.

    So, great, the passing game was fantastic against a short handed opponent who was betting that the offense would go all ground game with its 3rd string QB.

    I am really happy for Daniels and the receivers. They needed a statement opportunity, and they seized it emphatically.

    Game Coach Kirby is irritating the crap out of me.

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    • akascuba

      The FU game I watched had us up 14-0 when Bennett hurt his shoulder. I think given that our receivers were wide open deep the entire game a healthy Bennett connects enough to win. When Bennett was hurt the game was over. JT was still limping and had not taken many first team reps. The JT who played yesterday was not available to Kirby in Jacksonville.
      Kirby hates FU and would have used Daniels if he thought he was ready.

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      • Corch Irvin Meyers, New USC Corch (2021)

        LOL. Yep. Two weeks of magic made Daniels ready THIS week.

        Not you know, Kirby refusing to get him ready or get enough reps with the first team to be ready to go against Florida.

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  11. Ehhh…Florida was everything for winning the East. Sure JT can throw in practice but with Grantham’s blitzing I get the decision to start SB and we’re up 14 quickly when Bennett takes the illegal hit. At that point, Kirby got stuck. An injured SB was clearly no good and the failure to coach Mathis up bit him as well. Should have gotten reps for Mathis and JT vs Kentucky, but he really didn’t plan on needing either. Coaching mistakes for sure, players not performing for sure, and lots of bad luck.

    But the Process is supposed to deal with all of this and that’s the weakness I see that is/will keep us from getting over the top. Saban had a Tua, had him ready, and knew to make the change. He’s loaded again because he’s prepared for bad luck and bad performances. Plan B needs to be as good as Plan A, not just what we have left.

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  12. Corch Irvin Meyers, New USC Corch (2021)

    Anything from Kirby other than, “I screwed up. I should’ve taken the two weeks between Bama and UK and gotten JT ready then,” is complete and utter bullshit. I’m done swallowing Kirby’s bullshit and telling myself it’s ice cream.

    As others have said here, Kirby has no cause to be as arrogant and as stubborn as he is. He should be looking to win games any way he can, and he still refused to change. His explanation that he wanted to stick with Bennett and Mathis because their mobility could help the run game is the one true thing Kirby said all night. It told you he still doesn’t want to throw the football to win. It tells you he still refuses to adapt to the realities of modern college football. From that one bit of truth, we see who Kirby Smart STILL IS: A play not to lose coach who is throwing a temper tantrum like a fucking child because football has changed and he doesn’t want to deal with it like an adult.

    There is no reason, none at all, why JT Daniels wasn’t made ready for the Kentucky game in those two weeks other than Kirby’s refusal to do so. Anything else and everything else is complete bullshit.

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  13. Tim B

    Hard to question Kirby’s hesitancy to put in Daniels. He lost a star wr in the preseason to a non contact acl re injury. If he re injures this season you don’t have him next year either. If JT injures his knee next week all the complainers will be the first to accuse the coaches of rushing him back. For the most part the public doesn’t know jack about what is going on with players…especially with injuries.

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    • spur21

      What – finally – a voice based on reality – how dare you Tim. Can you not read and absorb the truth – Kirby is clueless.

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    • Hunkering Hank

      I do believe I have made the point previously that JT Daniels’ mother fuckin’ knee was huuuuuuurrrrrrrtttttt. So yes! He needed the amount of time before he played to get better enough to play like he played. If he had played before that he would have sucked and risked significant further injury as pointed out above. Some of y’all are really ignorant. You know NOTHING of the player’s situation but you come up with your hypothesis based on what you read on the internet. Are you kidding? You think you have the full picture? Get the picture, indeed. But I tell you what, let’s fire Kirby on a hunch that it’s HIM who is stupid and not you know-nothing keyboard warriors. Who should we hire?

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  14. ApalachDawg aux Bruxelles

    there is an entire truckload of butt hurt pussies around here.
    ridicule et petit d’espirit.

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  15. Corch Irvin Meyers, New USC Corch (2021)

    When you’ve lost Brandon Adams…

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  16. Russ

    I think what we’re really seeing here is the effect of the 20 hour rule in the year of COVID.

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  17. theotherdoug

    Kirby’s mistake was not being honest about where Daniels was health wise. I can live with it going into the Auburn game because he wanted a decoy, but after that he should have said he’s cleared but not ready because he’s not mobile enough.

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  18. Castleberry

    I watched the presser when I got home from the game last night. I didn’t have a problem with the way Kirby handled the question. It’s flawed to forget everything that happened between the Sugar Bowl and last night, and tell yourself we would’ve had that all year. I’m glad we’ve got JT and take Kirby for his word that coaches saw stuff we didn’t, saw a progression, and here we are.

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    • bigjohnson1992

      What’s flawed is making excuses for a 5th year head coach. 1st year SEC coaches like Sam Pittman, Lane Kiffin, and Mike Leach (who woulda whipped our asses and run us out of our own stadium if not for JT last night and had 49 players suited up) could use that excuse, but they haven’t.

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  19. W Cobb Dawg

    “We’re naturally prone to second-guessing coaches.”

    Gotta admit my admiration for Kirby has taken a big hit this season, and it has little to do with the Daniels situation. The defensive coaching the last two games was something he and the D staff should be hanging their heads over.

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    • Derek

      Our ILBs have been turned into liabilities the last two weeks thats for sure.

      It may be that they’re given different responsibilities because LeCounte is out.

      Not sure but they’ve really been picked on.

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      • D as in Dawg

        You mean their responsibilities weren’t to follow the receivers in case they dropped anything?? I keed, I keed… Except for Mark Webb but he’s not an LB.

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  20. towniedawg

    Other than the possible exception of Kentucky, I haven’t looked at our offensive game plan and thought “that has Kirby’s imprint all over it”. If you looked at last night’s offense and thought Kirby had his thumb on the scale, you are a moron. I think Monken has been given free reign. It was Monken that told Bennett that UGA didn’t see him ever being the QB. JT said it was Monken that made the call on whether JT would start or not.

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  21. elbertadawg

    20 years and can’t solve the wheel route huh. CKS is a crass, smart ass who doesn’t want or have to interact with the masses. These questions are legit. Get over yourself

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  22. RangerRuss

    I don’t know what to think about the Dawgs almost losing at home to a third rate, depleted team led by a freshman QB and a wannabe pirate for a coach. After the game I looked in the mirror and told my wife all I saw was an ugly, scarred, weary, old man. I said, “Sweetie, I need you to give me a compliment.”
    She said, “Alright then, you have damn near perfect vision.”
    Then Kirby told me to fuck off.
    I also heard Norm McDonald is sending a couple of dirty Dawgs to break my legs for poaching his material.

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  23. CB

    Kirby doesn’t respect the fans. Won’t even do something as small as release which uniforms the team is wearing.

    Talk down to me all you want, but your bitch ass better win keep winning games. He fucked up the qb situation and isn’t man enough to admit it. Anyone who questioned whether JT was better than Stetson (even after the Auburn game) is simply overthinking things. Bennett never consistently hit deep throws.

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  24. All of this is starting to become clearer, especially after what JT’s dad said about JT really not being physically ready and praising Kirby for how he’s 100% been about doing what was best for JT. I believe this also addresses why Kirby kept saying Stetson gave us the best chance- because he literally did. We only had Mathis or Stetson for half the season. His dad even mentioned the support that Kirby and UGA have given to Mathis.

    I never questioned Kirby’s sincerity but more his ability to assess the QB situation. It seems he didn’t have a choice. We lost Fields and Fromm declared and then he went out and rustled up a few transfers. Honestly, he and his staff did a hell of job of that considering they convinced a 4 star, 5 star and an early draft pick grad transfer to come in. And gave a scholarship to get Bennett back in. Newman opted out and Mathis hasn’t panned out. Eason getting hurt really started a domino effect that became a worst case scenario.

    On the Fromm/Fields thing- I believe Fields may have taken the job last year but don’t think he was the best option the year prior. Hell, Fromm didn’t cost us the NC. I’m really hoping Daniels be be the man for the rest of this season and next and at least two of the Prince Ave kid, Beck and Mathis will stick around, compete and get better for when Daniels declares. That would finally give us some stability and depth at QB.

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