“Vanderbilt is a top-5 SEC job.”-@PeterBurnsESPN #SECThisMorning
— Frank Fowler (@FrankFowlerSEC) November 30, 2020
“Vanderbilt is a top-5 SEC job.”-@PeterBurnsESPN #SECThisMorning
— Frank Fowler (@FrankFowlerSEC) November 30, 2020
It’s not pretty when punditry jumps the shark.
Filed under Media Punditry/Foibles, SEC Football
I would be scared of anything that powerful.
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He’s a nice enough guy; but says a lot of stupid things. This is one of them.
His takes are always Burning hot tho
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Clearly hasn’t visited that stadium
Is it even a top five state of Tennessee job?
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You do get to blow The Admiral, so that’s nice.
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Burns is great for promoting the SEC but his takes are just downright awful at times.
If you can last almost 7 years there…..could be. But I don’t know what they were paying him…
What? Vandy right now may be one of the worst 10 jobs in the Power 5 due to the way the department is organized and its facilities.
I almost felt sorry for Mason and their team at the game in Nashville last year.
The only positive (and Mason couldn’t take advantage of it) is the academic reputation. Even then, there are SEC public Ivys (UGA, UF) that can persuade a blue-chip player who also wants academics (for example, Nakobe Dean) to enroll. Could Vandy be an east coast version of Stanford? Maybe but its administration certainly doesn’t act like it.
“SEC public Ivys”?
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You haven’t heard the term public Ivy?
For Georgia and Florida? Nah.
Hell, we used to refer to UVa as the “Princeton of the South”. UF and UGA ain’t even public Virginias. 😉
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This term has been around a while. I recall hearing it a good deal during my days in Athens (99-04).
Considering UF is ranked #6 and we’re #15 in the rankings of public universities, I would say both schools are pretty darn competitive. Admissions at UGA ain’t what they used to be.
Yep, I’m mentoring some UGA students. I couldn’t sniff acceptance to UGA these days.
I would have had to study like multiple times in high school to get into UGA now.
Fred Davidson and Jan Kemp were kind to me…
It isn’t 1977 anymore, Senator.
Right. Tell me something — your kid gets a free ride offer to UGA and one to Yale. Which one would you pick?
It depends on what they want to do.
It also depends on the kind of adult you want your kid to be.
Right now, with things as they are, I wouldn’t send my worst enemy’s kid to Yale.
Sure, man, whatever you say.
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Passing up a lifetime worth of 6 figure connections to own the libs.
Yeah, that’s it. I want to “own the libs.”
Dude, what you don’t know is infinite. 😂
Ok. Cool. Go Dawgs.
I wouldn’t choose for my kid, but my recommendation would be Yale not because thd undergraduate academics are so much better but the career networking for Yale and Harvard graduates can’t be beaten by any public school I can think of.
Free ride to both or UGA only? I’m finding ~$75k / year for Yale. My kiddos would be on their own for a good chunk of that.
Free ride to either. I understand why UGA has attracted the student body it has over the past 15 years.
UGA and the chicks for the win.
Ic he wanted to work on Wall Street I’d send him to Yale. If he wanted to work on The King Ranch I’d send him to UGA. 😉
If he wanted to work on the King Ranch, I doubt he’d be applying to Yale in the first place. 😉
Yeah, but they suck at football.
We call public Ivy “Kudzu”.
More like poison ivy for their football coach,
Only in reference to Penn.
Amazing what James “Shithead” Franklin did there. Probably would have had a job there as long as he wanted if he stayed.
Glad he is gone…
Had it not been for the anal raping, he probably would have stayed
Greg and ADaB, that’s funny as fuck. Thanks for the laugh.
Not by most measures, but if you’re someone who is a middle tier coach, Vandy may be a decent spot. Expectations aren’t that high, so you can coast with 6 or 7 win seasons and maybe even get a raise.
If David Cutcliffe can win at Duke (although they suck this year), someone should be able to put something together at Vanderbilt. Either go hire a guy who can recruit and develop talent knowing you’re going to have up and down performance or hire a service academy guy and try to be a pain in the @$$ to prepare for.
You’re not taking one thing into account: Duke at least wants to try; Vandy’s leadership doesn’t want to try to win at football. They simply do not value it.
It’s literally a worse job than Kansas at this point because Vandy doesn’t care.
I see no lies here.
And that makes it a top 5 hire…I don’t think so…there ain’t enough cupcakes to make that a good position…
Said it elsewhere, but financially and W/L decision they could make would be service academy… maaaaybe pure air raid.
You’re wasting money trying to be Stanford because you don’t play in the PAC-12. Not happening in the SEC. If you want a coach who can actually win with modern methods based on recruiting the best athletes, he’s expensive. And running that program is expensive. If you do have a decent year or two (which will never approach championship level) he’s gone.
Long term you’ll win a lot more games, and upset the conference powers at least as often with a system guy who doesn’t need top athletes to make his offense go.
Air Raid has the same problem … it isn’t a gimmick anymore. Someone who would be a 6-8 win guy running the Air Raid at Vandy would be snapped up quickly. If they want staying power on the cheap, I think the triple option may be the best alternative.
Maybe Vanderbilt should get the # of Paul The Johnson then…..
After reading this, my guess is Peter Burns’s favorite saying is, “It’s 5 o’clock somewhere!”
Speaking of – if I had to move my family to coach in an SEC town, Nashville would be second behind Athens. Coach would be setting up shop at Bearded Iris and Southern Grist on the regular. 🙂
That’s a distant second. What’s the competition?
On another note….wouldn’t it be awesome if the SEC/ACC would flip Vandy/Clemson! Then Clemson would have to survive the SEC gamut to get to the playoffs and Vandy could wrestle with playing the Wake Forest’s of their conference!
This makes total sense to me, although it happening is very far fetched🤦🏼♂️
It makes no sense. The SEC already has South Carolina. And this idea that Clemson wouldn’t absolute own the SEC East right now is also ludicrous. Yeah, they get an easy pass in the ACC most years, but Dabo has that machine humming just as good as Saban has his.
If the SEC were to swap Vandy for any school in the ACC, it should be for UNC or VA Tech, this way the footprint is expanded. Adding Clemson does nothing except make Georgia an also ran in the division most years.
52-18-4 (Dawgs)….not a given. Give Clemson an SEC schedule and their W/L changes.
Not as many weeks off in the SEC.
WTF does the all-time record have to do with what Dabo has done with Clemson the last 10 years? Nothing. Not one damn thing.
That’s the best or second best program in CFB. What happened 40 years ago has no bearing one what Dabo has accomplished. He’s basically Clemson’s Bobby Bowden. He completely reinvented that program and molded it into a monster.
I swear to God, some of y’all are completely stuck in the distant past and think it has relevance over the present or the future, and that mindset is a recurring and ever-present problem in DawgNation.
LOL! …..relax man. Don’t take it personal.
But on the other hand, an argument can also be made about future games.
One thing I feel fairly certain of, their record wouldn’t be as good in the SEC. Hence, positioning.
Since you brought it up, there is a reason that Bowden didn’t go to the SEC when he had a chance…..and he admitted it.
Now, count to 10 before you post again. You can do it, focus.
Ahh, the “don’t take it personal” retort. Used most often when losing an internet argument.
I remain unconvinced until he wins without Venebles as his DC. They were great on offense his entire tenure (and the tail end of Bowden’s) but only became great when some of those top QBs were paired with a great defense.
Also..and this is kind of hidden but is huge…Dabo gets to develop his seconds and thirds for half of basically every game. That’s a lot of playing time that pays off with more experienced backups for reloading.
Certainly are some advantages playing an ACC schedule…
the rest of that quote should read, “Of the two that are open.”
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Clearly he meant geographically. It’s one of the top 5 northernmost schools in the SEC.
They need to lure Fishfry out of retirement. It would be great to see him win 5-6 games a year there while Tech flounders.
That would be funny if GT was on their schedule and Vandy won coach Fish Fry.
Does Vandy even have an AD now. I remember under G Gordan Gee they shut down the athletic department before he left to mess up tOSU.
He clearly meant, “Vandy is a Power-5, SEC job.” 😉
I hope Tennessee fires Pruitt and Vandy hires him and beats their ass every year.
Barely a top 5 SEC East job.
What 2 jobs are worse?
Tennessee (I know it’s not an open position….yet). Why? Fulmer, recruiting competition, unrealistic fan expectations, Fulmer, the curse that Booch left behind when he sold his soul to beat UGA in ’16….
South Carolina, maybe? Lack of in state talent, unrealistic fan expectations, Dabo…
Someone else posted elsewhere and I agree: An option/Service Academy type coach could pick on a down ut and sc, beat up a couple of cupcakes, and generally be a pain in the ass for everyone else. Vanderbilt fans would be ecstatic.
As others have said, the right guy at Tennessee or South Carolina could make it work in spite of the disadvantages. They are waaaaaay better jobs than the Vandy job with its lack of resources, support and general “don’t give a damn” attitude toward football.
UT is 2-5, SC is 2-7. For a normal, non covid season? 8-4 would make the SC crowd happy and with the east being generally down I’ll agree it’s doable when you throw in a few cupcakes. OTOH it’s a pretty tall order to beat UGA, florida, Clemson, and an SEC West team to pass that bar. How long would it take the natives to get restless at that?
UT’s donor and fan base ain’t gonna be happy with 8-4, losing to UGA, Florida, Alabama, and for funsies lets say South Carolina OR an option running Vandy. 4-5 years of antagonistic relationships while trying unsuccessfully regularly win 10 games doesn’t sound like a coaching paradise to me.
Vandy, OTOH with it’s lack of resources and “don’t give a damn” view of football is ripe for someone to step in and play spoiler, beat up a few cupcakes, upset UT on the way to 6-6 and a bowl game? Hell, he’d be a hero.
As of this moment, I would say USC and Tennessee are worse. Lousy towns and expectations are not realistic.
Florida, for sure. Because FTMF.
Vandy maybe the most hopeless power 5 job a coach could take.
He meant “available” job. As there are two, USC would be #1 and Vandy 5th.
Makes perfect sense.
Reasons why it is a GREAT job:
$3-4 mil per year.
Expectations are low low low.
Break .500 and you add one more year to your tenure and possibly another raise.
Live in Nashville.
In closing, you’ll make at least $15 million and can comfortably retire in relative anonymity with your health.
Agree. If it weren’t for the actual football games it’s an ideal job.
Top-5 is a stretch. But certainly the Vandy position is a top-14 SEC job.
Top 5 place to live in the SEC, maybe. And they’ve got a slower trigger finger on the firing button than most schools in the SEC. And that’s the entire list of “pros” for the Vanderbilt job.
The university literally dismantled the athletic department. They want to win the same way that I want to be an astronaut: sometimes I sit at my desk and think, “wouldn’t it be neat to be an astronaut” and then I go right back to what I was doing without even thinking about how to become an astronaut or doing any of the work required to become an astronaut. They play football in the SEC with a university that doesn’t even rise to the level of commitment required to succeed in the SoCon. Their facilities are garbage. Their donor base is small. And as long as the baseball team is good, nobody is that worried about fixing anything.
Maybe this is correct.
All that is required to get the fan base squealing with delight is kicking the ball to the 35 on two hops.
Why does that bother you?
My daughter said on the way home from school she wants to kick a ball 28 yards to go for the record (and perhaps get a free ride to Vandy!).
Out of the mouths of babes!
I think the transfer portal softens the old “high academic recruiting standards” and makes it easier for a savvy coach to recruit successfully at Vandy…I by no means think it’s a top 5 SEC landing spot, but a coach could build a decent program there with minimal pressure/expectations (by SEC standards) and play spoiler every now and then in the SEC East. Some dudes could get fat & happy there, or spring to better options in the future…in that regard I think it’s a better coaching gig than UT.
Clearly better jobs:
Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, LSU, Ole Miss, Texas A&M
Probably better jobs:
Missouri, South Carolina, Tennessee
Arkansas, Kentucky, Mississippi State
Find someone who loves you like the national media loves Nashville.
Low expectations. Probably 7 figure salary. Live in a cool city. I’d take the job.
“It’s not like we’re saving ourselves,” quarterback Stetson Bennett said. “We’re going every play like we’re trying to do something. I don’t really know how to answer that. It’s not like we just flip a switch.”-- The Athletic, 11/13/22
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