The difference between laziness and denial

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93 responses to “The difference between laziness and denial

  1. Derek

    If only there were someone out there who knew Meyer would be coaching at USC in the fall, then we could perhaps better understand the mentality that Kirby does not get “it” and never will get “it” due to a stubbornness so debilitating that he does even know what “it” is.

    As the statistical comparisons to CMR wain this fall perhaps an appreciation for CKS will grow. CMR’s 5th season will be fairly easy to beat.

    Who thinks we lose to Vandy and Kentucky, give up 51 to UT at home and will need our last possession to take the lead vs. Tech?

    If we don’t do any of those things and you still make the comparison then you just don’t get it and probably never will.

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  2. Russ

    We have the best fans and Twitter shines a spotlight on them.

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  3. Greg

    “ The “Kirby can’t coach” narrative is lazy”.

    Oh LAWD……that’s gonna hurt.

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  4. dman2020

    Then what in the heck is wrong with all those other coaches?

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    • originaluglydawg

      It’s not the coaches in most cases. It’s the unrealistic expectations of donors and fanbases…and when a coach does have a great year, there is usually a “promotion” to a bigger job…with more pressure to win.
      The coaching ladder is a wonderful demo of “The Peter Principle”.
      There’s a great example down in Gainesville, Florida right now.

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  5. ASEF

    The problem is, as usual, the proximity of comparisons.

    LSU puts together an historic season. With no more overall roster talent and arguably less.

    Then Alabama puts together an historic season. With maybe a smudge more overall talent.

    Florida, with clearly less talent, wins the East.

    Fans want to be on top of the heap. They take no consolation in being the defense that raises Heisman profiles for guys like Trask and Jones and Smith. Or an offense that, on paper, looks like it could put together a run at best in the SEC next year.

    I suspect Georgia fans will be a lot happier at the end of 2021.

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  6. Not busting on Kirby but on stats: Kirby’s won more Peach Bowls vs undefeated top 10 teams since 2020 than any other coach in history.

    Look, we’ve gone from winning the SEC, to losing the SECCG, to losing the East despite top 3 recruiting classes. That’s closer to Orgeron, Day, Kelly and Riley than Saban and Dabo. Hoping he finds that next step.

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    • Look, we’ve gone from winning the SEC losing the national championship game to Saban, to losing the SECCG to Saban, to losing the East after losing to Saban in the regular season despite top 3 recruiting classes.

      I’m sensing a trend here.

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      • charlottedawg

        If we’re conceding we can’t beat Saban we’re conceding we will never win a national championship in the foreseeable future. Every national champion not named alabama since saban arrived at alabama had to beat Saban somewhere during the season, the only exception is 2013 when the national champion beat…..a team that had beaten Nick saban.

        Also dabo isn’t the only coach who’s beaten saban, so have orgeron and malzhan. We haven’t done it since the bush administration, with all contests except this year’s in the state of georgia.

        To be the man you have to beat the man.

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      • originaluglydawg

        Most lawyers have taken “careful reading 101”.

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      • Clear trend…we’re not closing the gap on Saban while others are closing the gap on us (FL, TAMU, and some non-SEC teams). Note “closing” not “passing” but we supposedly are winning the recruiting wars over these others. We fired Richt in a bad way, but for good reasons if we’re making this true commitment to excellence. Those screaming for Richt’s head when challenged also said Kirby should only get 5 years if he only achieves “mediocrity”. He’s definitely improved the program, is well above mediocre, but “oh well, Bama” can’t be an ongoing excuse. Richt was up against much better SEC teams during his tenure and did beat Saban twice. We all want, need, beg, Kirby to get to the next level. That’s not “hot seat” talk nor “NC or bust” mentality. Just truth. He was the guy who was brought in to beat his mentor…let’s do it. We’re supposed to be that team…not ND, tOSU, OU or any others.

        It starts by crushing Clemson.

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      • Migraine Boy

        Ah, the UGA fan forever waiting for Dye / Fulmer / Spurrier / Meyer / Saban to leave before we can expect greatness.

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  7. Hogbody Spradlin

    Everybody’s a friggin expert. Everybody’s a snide, sarcastic friggin expert.

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  8. Illini84

    This is MY TEAM and I want MY natty NOW!!!~

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  9. TN Dawg

    Lazy is #butmuhstats with no rings.

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    • Yeah, and it’s even gonna be tougher for Smart this season since Daniels went pro.

      Oh, wait…

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      • TN Dawg

        I didn’t predict Daniels would go pro, I merely discussed the possibility and I still stick by prediction the he would have been anywhere from the 2nd to 5th quarterback off the board, Fields performance in the NC only strengthens that position.

        If you wanted to discuss it more, you shouldn’t have gone Jack Dorsey on me with your ban threats and we could have talked more.

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        • Derek

          Other than the possible exception of Clemson, who beats us on the current 2021 schedule even with Carson Beck playing qb and why?

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          • TN Dawg

            There really would be no excuse to lose any of our games, including Clemson with the talent on the roster.

            But if you pressed me as to who could possibly win other than Clemson, I guess I’d have to say Auburn, possibly Florida.

            We basically are playing an ACC schedule this year.

            The only reason we would lose would be because of Kirby’s incompetence, one of these idiot time management issues, fake kicks, man ball trances, etc.

            If we played in the SEC best instead of the SEC least we’d probably lose two, though.

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            • Derek

              So you’re saying that we’d be the odds on favorite to win the east and go to Atlanta even with JT taking snaps in the league, but you’re gonna bitch about Kirby because he recruits really well?

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              • TN Dawg

                You are being silly.

                Here shall I reverse the question, will you answer honestly?

                If Tom Herman is coaching this years talent, outside of Clemson, who beats UGA and why?

                I give Kirby all the credit in the world as a recruiter, even though Alabama really hasn’t missed a beat without him and is beginning to build a talent gap again.

                But I mean what the hell, you can roll out of bed and trip over a dozen 4 and 5 stars in Georgia. It would be malfeasance NOT to land a top 10 recruiting class in Georgia even if you went and drank margaritas and Pina Coladas all summer at the beach and made the kids call you.

                Kirby’s strength is in managing the bag men that go in and pay the players to sign with us, I get that.

                But his on the field decisions are lackluster at best.

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                • TEXBaller

                  top 10 is so Richt —- top 3 is Kirbs

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                • Derek

                  I watched the seccg in 2012. Our coaches ran circles around Saban and Smart. In the end, we lost. Why?

                  They had much better players than we did.

                  I wanted Herman if Richt was fired. Mainly I feared that Kirby could not recruit at the level Saban’s “process” required to be successful.

                  I was wrong. You should admit the same.

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              • Greg

                {{{crickets}}}

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  10. One of the tweets states that other coaches could have won more with the players CKS has. That’s questionable in and of itself, but, the other thing to consider is they likley wouldn’t have had those players because CKS has out-recruited almost everyone, with Saban and Dabo being the possible exceptions.

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    • TN Dawg

      They would have had the players in Kirby’s only CFP run.

      Because Richt recruited them.

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      • originaluglydawg

        And KIrby damn sure orchestrated that run.
        And as (I’ve) has been pointed out ten million times, he had it snatched away with terrible officiating. This is documeted and videoed. It happened. It made all the difference in the world in perceptions, memes and even team momentum.
        Kirby Smart coached a Georgia team to the CFC game and that team played well enough to win, as should have won.

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      • You mean like Jake Fromm?

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        • TN Dawg

          UGA ran the ball 65+ % of the time.

          If you are still holding onto the “Jake Fromm led us to the title game”, you probably should go back and rewatch the season.

          They hid him.

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          • Derek

            True, but ain’t that that thar coachin’?

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            • TN Dawg

              Yep.

              It is.

              Versus bringing back the playmaker with arm talent and experience to start that would have delivered us title.

              It all looked good until we needed a play in the second half out of a competent quarterback.

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              • Derek

                If you’re suggesting Eason should have gotten the job back after the injury, I felt the same way.

                However, we’re not there in the facility or the practice field. We don’t know how mature or committed or entitled Eason was. We just don’t know.

                My feeling was that you don’t lose your job because you got hurt. It is still apparent that Eason has more innate ability.

                But again. We’re not there. Hard to second guess from this far away.

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      • mp

        And Brian Schottenheimer would have been the OC

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    • “We can all easily name 6 coaches that would’ve won at least one natty with the UGA rosters the last 5 years.”

      That is such absolute BS. Nobody has any idea what another coach would have done, in any situation. I have a very good friend who told me, after UGA beat North Carolina in Kirby’s first game, that “Mark Richt would’ve never won that game.” Really? How can you possibly know?

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  11. TN Dawg

    I think it’s fair to say that basically everyone’s strategy is to just keep Kirby and hope Saban retires, pray Dabo doesn’t take Saban’s place and light candles in hopes Urban Meyer doesn’t come back to the SEC.

    If that happens, we should get that elusive title.

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  12. Is the program in a better place than it was in 2015? Absolutely.
    Are there still goals to achieve? Absolutely.
    Is Kirby Smart still the right guy to achieve those goals? Absolutely.

    This comes from a guy who thought CMR deserved another year and we should have opened the checkbook for a proven P5 head coach.

    The natty-or-bust crowd in our fan base is getting old to listen to, and they rarely have anything meaningful to add regarding what should be different. The problem is they are the loudest and most obnoxious segment.

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  13. Derek

    Only 2 have done those last two things with a qb straight out of hs. Only one did that in the sec.

    Neither is Saban.

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  14. dawgphan34

    Seems like the national narrative around Smart is that he can recruit but he cant couch. No one really thinks of him as being able to out scheme a team or doing anything particularly novel on either side of the ball. To be honest I can’t say I disagree. He is a hell of a recruiter and that is really important in college ball.

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  15. Terry McCullers

    They always say the first one (natty) is the hardest to win. I think we are real close next year.

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  16. gurkhadawg

    Tom Osborne was a pretty good college coach. He coached what most consider the best team of all time.( 1995 I think ). He coached Nebraska for 22 years before he won his first NC. He had some great teams during those years. I guess he just didn’t get it. I know things move faster nowadays, but give Kirby a break.

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  17. mp

    Dabo won his first title in year 8 as a HC. Saban was the same I think. Kirby has his program well beyond where theirs were at the end of their year 5’s. Coaching takes experience. This bumpiness is what we signed up for when we hired a coordinator with no HC experience. We’re at some level watching someone learn on the go.

    Also bitching about recruiting and not being able to coach ignores the fact that recruiting is part of coaching.

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  18. 69Dawg

    Well the fact that we are UGA fans automatically means we are a glass half empty fan base. We were raised on Dooley and Munson, then suffered under Ray and Jim after nobody wanted to coach here. We are also a lot like Charlie Brown trying to kick the old ball with Lucy (Lady Luck) always finding a new way to make us miss. I am not blaming Kirby for anything. He has made us relevant again.

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  19. originaluglydawg

    TN Dawg posted the following (on GTP. A blog with over 50 million hits);

    “Kirby’s strength is in managing the bag men that go in and pay the players to sign with us, I get that.”
    Good grief.
    Did you just make this up?

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  20. CB

    I’m confident in Kirby, everyone makes mistakes, but Daniels should have played against Florida even if he didn’t start. I will never be convinced otherwise. It was a cryptic statement but Monken all but admitted he regretted not playing him. We still probably lose a rematch with Bama, but this team deserved another shot at them in Atlanta. Missed opportunity.

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    • Derek

      Yep. JT should have been the reliever. We know that now.

      I have to assume that Dwan was like Jeremy Johnson. A practice king who folds when he realizes that those guys are literally trying to kill him.

      I have to believe that Dwan was a different guy during the week.

      Had to be.

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      • CB

        He clearly has the athleticism and arm strength to play the position at the SEC level.

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        • Derek

          That open field speed had to be intriguing as well. Bumper Pool modified Dwans entire outlook on life.

          Look at his first series BEFORE the hit and how he played AFTER the hit. Night and day. Kid looked like he could be Fields v.2 and then bam! He was done. Too bad for him and us….

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          • CB

            I’ll give him a little more credit than that and just say he hasn’t been able to adjust to SEC speed. If one hit ruined his career then he probably didn’t have the mentality to make it anyway.

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  21. towniedawg

    Is Kirby as good of a coach as the GOAT, obviously not, but who is? If you want to win a Natty and are not a Bama fan, name the SEC teams you’d rather be than Georgia. I was reading Auburn threads during their coaching search, you know who’s name kept cropping up as the example of the coach they wanted? …Kirby Smart.

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  22. practicaldawg

    In other words, Peter Burns’s social media has been hacked because I’ve never heard him say a positive thing about UGA football on the SECN.

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  23. RangerRuss

    I want my two dollars…
    Oven mitt! I meant oven mitt.

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  24. Man the packers crush PA. That should so fit kirbys style. They run many plays out of same looks.

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  25. Hogbody Spradlin

    It’s worth noting that Stan Lanier has been on Twitter since 2009 and has 166 WHOLE FOLLOWERS! A real influential voice.

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  26. bigjohnson1992

    I say kirby is an elite recruiter and the mentioned stat above is the result of superior talent making up/offsetting sub par coaching.

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