Dayum.
Then again, maybe he’s thanking Kirby for preparing him for not being a top ten pick last night. Or maybe not.
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On point.
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From the outside, it looks to me like “the outcome of that” was that the guy who was “chosen” over him got farther in the playoff than he ever did. So I’m not really sure what he’s crowing about.
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Fields and Fromm both started at QB in a cfb playoff final and Fields has 1 more season in the playoffs that Fromm. I agree that Fromm was the better of the two in the year both were on thd same roster, though.
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Fromm has 2019 South Carolina; Fields has 2020 Northwestern…
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If I was passed over by the Jets and Jaguars, I’d be doing backflips. I’m sure the one that rubs him the wrong way is Lance getting drafted by SF with literally just a game’s worth of tape in the past year, but it is what it is. He’ll find solace when he lays his head down on a pillow stuffed with 100 dollar bills.
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“No hard Feelings” sounds kinda’ limp to me anyway.
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Does this, mean he’s, going to transfer to the CFL?
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Great comment, 81!
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Well, shit. Da Bears are not my team but Roquan Smith is my guy. Now that this new shit that has come to light, it bums me out man.
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Jaiden Fields is the only Fields family member of significance that attends UGA that i know of…
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He might want to do some introspection.
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I’m not sure we all know, Justin… Are you referring to a pickup game somewhere you weren’t picked, or the school you chose?
I take 2 things from his comment…1) there should be no question as to the real reason he left UGA, he just told everyone, and 2) Chicago should be concerned about his mentality if he doesn’t win the starting job.
Not a good look in my opinion, Mr Fields. Good luck though!
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He’ll be the highest profile bust in the NFL. “Deer in the headlights”.
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How many great QBs have the Bears had?
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Yes, Fields quit when someone was better than him.
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And I am not sold that he is all that good.
Just glad the Falcons didnt draft him (while Pitts was the “best available” and I do love me some good TE throws, the Falcons needs are mostly on D and OLine).
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I don’t think he’s throwing any shade here. Just making the point he’s been passed over and still ultimately got where he wanted to be. Wish nothing but luck to the kid. If his relationship with Kirby was sour I doubt he’d have been coming back around campus since he transferred.
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I have no qualms about him falling out of the top 10 last night during the draft. Maybe I’m a grudge holding bastard, but the way he left UGA rubbed me the wrong way. I don’t believe for a god damn second it was because of what his lawyer claimed. He couldn’t nail the starting job and wanted out. Just say it already.
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“Maybe I’m a grudge holding bastard”- Don’t be so hard on yourself, Biggy!
“GHB’s” are among my favorites!
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To your point, I also believe he transferred because he couldn’t move Fromm out of the way. But not because Fromm was more talented. Jake is not nearly as talented as Fields and we all knew it. I was with Kirby’s decision to stick with Jake at the time and believe Fields was used wrong when used at all. Point is, a top ten draft talent waiting two years to get on the field would be hard to take and I understand why he wanted out. His stated excuse, now that’s another subject.
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I’m still not convinced he wanted to leave Athens. Daddy and his personal QB coach (the same guy who worked with Newman) were behind his departure.
Oh well, I can like Roquan and hope the Bears never win a game. How’s that for no hard feelings?
Speaking of Jake Fromm, if he played in a dynamic offense like Mac Jones had, he may have had the same result. Stupid James Coley.
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And stupid Jake Fromm for making his decision before Kirby hired Coley’s replacement
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^^ This. I believe Fromm would have absolutely flourished in Monken’s scheme. But you know… it’s and buts and shit
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curious…if Fromm stays do we get JT?
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*stayed
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I think you were right the first time.
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I don’t know, but I have to believe that the first 8 games would have been a little different with Fromm at the controls over SBIV and Mathis. We may not have beaten Bama (but we also wouldn’t have beaten ourselves), but I imagine we would have made Grantham’s head explode in Jacksonville.
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I think we do. JT had to know that there was a strong possibility he wasn’t going to be ready by the start of the season and maybe not at all. Don’t think it would’ve been the end of the world for him to come here, work with the 2’s, learn the offense for a full season/offseason and let the knee heal pretty much knowing it was his team/shot in 2021.
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Supposedly the Fromm family was done by that point.
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They were probably tired of the comparisons and the crap that was thrown Jake’s way by our “fans.”
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I’ve heard 2nd hand that there was more going on than that. I’ll just leave it there.
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See, you can’t do that. Lay it all out… nothing’s going to happen to you if you do. Nothing is going to happen to Fromm that he hasn’t already done to himself with his own stupid choice.
We’re more than a year removed from that, so spill. Hah!
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The only NFL team I care about are the bears. I love that they have Roquan. They need to go back to lockdown D and a dynamic O. Not sure Fields does that but maybe in a few years. Otherwise, the Dawgs look good for a while and that is my main interest.
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LOL. Dude is going to bust so hard, so I hope he enjoys his first and only big contract.
One of the biggest signifiers of a future bust for NFL QBs other than number of starts in college is did they play in a dummy offense where the coaches handled all their pre-snap reads and half their passing routes were not live. Alex Smith and sCam are the only NFL QBs who played in dummy offenses in college who had any kind of lasting careers in the league.
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This makes me sad. Bears are one of my teams.
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Chicago, New York (Jets), Washington, D.C.
What is where QBs go to die, Alex?
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Why can’t he be a Lamar Jackson tho? To me, that’s what you do. Give him the “dummy” offense and let him do his thing. If the defense has to account for him as a runner it limits the defense’s ability to be complex as well. Dummy on dummy and let the best player win.
Guys like jackson and vick can “break the code” when they’re that special athletically and can chuck it 80 yards when they decide they need to.
He may not make it to year 15 but he could do some damage while he’s still young.
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I don’t think he’s the kind of runner that Vick and Jackson are. And Vick could only break the code so far. Jackson, too to this point. Eventually someone will force you to beat them from the pocket.
That said, I have no idea how good Fields can or can’t be at processing defenses in the NFL. I’ve never been good at guessing who would and wouldn’t be a bust in the NFL…outside of someone obvious like Manziel.
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He’s not as fast as Jackson, but I think he’s more accurate.
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Lamar Jackson played in Bobby Pig-trino’s pro-style spread offense in college, where the QB has the same pre-snap responsibilities as an NFL QB and where there are no dummy routes run by WRs. He could actually play the position the way the NFL demands.
Same with Mahomes. The Air Raid demands more from its QBs than any derivation of the zone read spread or Gus’s HUNH or any of the other spread option based offenses.
Fields can’t be Jackson or Mahomes because he wasn’t prepared to play the position like Jackson and Mahomes were.
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Well we’ll see won’t we? Idk how it’s going to shake out, but I feel pretty good that he’s going to get to his second contract, whereas Fromm is going to be selling swimming pools in 10 months.
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True. The odds are stacked against him, though. For one, he’s a Tosu QB, and every single Tosu QB ever has been an NFL bust.
Two, he played in a dummy offense in college, and only Alex Smith and sCam could overcome that handicap for any kind of lasting success in the NFL.
No, I think Fields’s career will have an RGIII-like flame-out. He’ll have an exciting first season, replacing Dalton by midseason and winning games with his athleticism and WRs run open downfield that he never sees. In year two he will struggle mightily as the NFL adjusts to what he does well and takes it away, making him actually play QB. By the middle of S3 he’ll be replaced by his back-up QB.
As you said though, we’ll see.
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So if Fields doesn’t win the starting job this pre-season is he going to quit and demand to be traded? Asking for a friend.
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Nah. Daddy’s going to get hisself some money so he’ll be a little more patient. It will get interesting if he isn’t starting when it’s time to renegotiate the contract…
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Fields is back to virtually the same situation he was at UGA. In front of him is the prototypical drop back passer in Andy Dalton, just as Fromm was. When Fields enters the game the entire offense will need to be changed to maximize his skill set.
So if Fields didn’t like the O at UGA, he’s gonna hate the O in Chicago – unless they abandon Dalton, change the offensive approach, and hand the keys to Fields. He was able to thrive in that situation at tosu. Not so sure it’ll work for the Bears in the nfl.
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Dude needs a spanking or ass whooping. What a pussy!
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Given the B1G’s embarrassing flub and late start to the 2020 season I judge Fields mostly on his 2019 performance. Idk how many Pro Bowls he’ll make, but I think he’ll make it to the second contract as a starter.
I was the biggest Fromm > Fields apologist through most of 2019. I was wrong.
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I only evaluated the 2 of them based on what Fromm did on the field in 2017 and 2018. At that time, Jake Fromm was a clear QB1. Was Fields more talented? Sure, but he had done nothing to that time to prove he was ready to take the job from Fromm.
If Fields had stuck around for a spring practice and proven to Smart and Coley that he was a better option for 2019 and left after the spring and won the job in Columbus, maybe you have a point.
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If it was a close comparison maybe you have a point, but it’s not. You and I weren’t practice everyday. At a certain point you have to be able to pull the trigger and start the clearly superior quarterback. There is a reason most of the players were pro-Fields and have stayed cool with him even after he left.
Fromm was a game manager who flashed at times but also looked terrible on occasion. Fields was a game changer in college, and despite some bumpy performances there is a reason he was picked four rounds sooner than Fromm.
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All of this is hindsight. Fields decided to leave rather than compete for the job in 2019. Given Kirby’s mantra of playing the best players, I have no doubt in my mind that if Fields were the “clearly superior quarterback” in practice or in games when he played, he would have been the starter. There were no players at the time who were saying Fields should play more much less be the starter.
Don’t throw the Lawrence/Kelly Bryant thing out. Everyone could see when Lawrence played, he was superior physically and at playing QB over Bryant. Dabo did Bryant a favor by starting Lawrence in game 5, so he could save a redshirt and be a grad transfer. Would you in 2018 have started Fields over Fromm in the Tennessee game in 2018 knowing what you knew then? If not then, when? Does “at the time” Justin Fields beat LSU in Baton Rouge, Alabama in Atlanta, or Texas in New Orleans?
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You just nullified your own argument. There were widespread rumors of a split locker room in 2018. Hindsight proves the wrong decision was made in Athens. Dabo benched Bryant, Saban benched Hurts. Kirby has to get to a point where he makes those tough decisions. Starting Fromm and hoping Fields stuck around was the safe thing to do, and Fromm leaving in 2019 after playing like shit was salting the earth after the bomb blew in our faces.
Kirby literally just started Stetson Bennett for weeks when JT Daniels was cleared. Monken admitted he regretted the decision. Again the safe/wrong decision was made.
I’m not qualified to make the call, but I’d like to have seen Fields inserted sometime during the second half in Baton Rouge and let it ride.
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I don’t differ with you about the LSU game.
I do differ about the rumors of a split locker room. I would imagine some of those guys on one side of the split would have spilled the beans by now unless they are worried Kirby is going to say, “Don’t show up around here anymore.”
What if the LSU game ended the way it did with Fields playing and being ineffective or marginally effective? Would you have started Fields over Fromm two weeks later in Jacksonville? Did Kirby make the wrong decision at the time to start Fromm over Fields in Jacksonville? If the Cocktail Party goes sideways with Fields at QB, does that become Kirby’s Faton Bauta experiment?
Dabo made the decision with Lawrence to start him over Bryant due to performance. Saban benched Hurts for ineffectiveness in the championship game (Tua had one foot out the door in T-town at that point) and had no other option.
I can only go with the information I have access to at the time, and I assume Kirby did as well. Fromm was the team’s best chance to win in 2018, and Fields decided not to stay and compete for the job in 2019.
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“Tua had one foot out the door in T-town at that point”
You don’t say lol. That isn’t at all relatable to the Fields/Fromm conundrum in your mind?
I’m going with the information I have now. Idk what I would have done if I was in Kirby’s situation at the time. I couldn’t be less qualified to make that decision, but in hindsight I’d have started Fields and so would Kirby and anyone else on the staff or any coach on planet earth for that matter.
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Decisions are really easy in hindsight. They are tough as hell when you’re the leader. By the way, I don’t give a damn about where the kid gets drafted. I guess every Power 5 coach other than Dabo and the guy at BYU are stupid in hindsight for not recruiting Trey Lance.
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It’s not they they’re stupid, but if they had it to do over again they’d probably give him a look. 😉
I’m not anti Kirby, but in hindsight he made the wrong call. Accept it, stop trying to rationalize otherwise, pray he has learned from it and move on.
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All I’m saying is he made the best decision for the team at the time (I still think it was the right decision in the circumstances just like Saban’s and Dabo’s). Everyone crushes him for this decision, but no one says why they would have done something different at the time.
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I’m saying that there is no rational argument that it was the right or best decision looking back. I completely understand the thought process behind the decision. It made a lot of sense not knowing what we know now, but the fact remains that the decision was the wrong one.
Everyone would’ve done something different because we now know that Fields is a much better player. I’m not here to crush Kirby, I’m just willing to acknowledge that he got it wrong. It happens.
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By the way, I have consistently thought Fields believed Fromm was planning to stick around for 4 years and decided he would find somewhere else just like Eason did.
Fromm made a terrible decision to leave when he did. I said so at the time.
Time travel would be a great thing to prevent all of the implications of decisions looking in hindsight.
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Fromm’s passer rating vs. LSU: 96.64
Fields’ passer rating vs. Northwestern: 65.09
Tough decision?
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See my last comment. No person claiming to know football should ever waste time trying to justify Fromm over Fields it’s such a silly thought looking back.
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It’s reality, unlike the Earth 2 argument you insist on making.
Look, I get it. Fields is the better QB at this point in time. That doesn’t make him the better choice at the time the 2018 season commenced, unless you’ve got a time machine, went back, showed Kirby the evidence and he still told you to fuck off. Somehow I doubt that happened.
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I don’t get the disconnect between understanding the thought process behind sticking with Fromm and also acknowledging that it was the wrong decision.
Even if he didn’t start the 2018 season Fields should have at least been put in after halftime in Baton Rouge. He started from Day 1 in Columbus what is the functional difference between that and him starting from Day 1 in Athens. Was Fields an early enrollee? I don’t recall.
Instead of cherry picking two bad games, go compare their best 10.
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The disconnect is yours because you’re not acknowledging the completely different kinds of offenses run at Georgia and Tosu and the QBs lack of responsibilities in Tosu’s dummy offense.
By the way, Fields would not have been good in Monken’s offense either. Not like he was in Tosu’s offense.
Not all spread offenses are the same, and Monken’s offense requires far more pre snap and post snap ability from its QB than Day’s offense does.
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Everyone suddenly becomes a guru of offensive schemes when it comes to justifying Fields over Fromm.
What aspects of Coley and Monken’s offensive scheme call for less athleticism and a weaker arm? I’ve never heard of that, but then again I’m not a guru.
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LOL. I love how everyone who loves Fields is suddenly an expert on what makes a good QB.
Here’s where Jake was better: Pre-snap defensive alignment read. Creating the right checks for his o-line and RBs in the right blocking look to pick up the free rushers. And then audibling into the right play. Then after the snap, Jake had 2-3 seconds to make FIVE reads. Not two or three reads in the same time. FIVE.
If you don’t understand that, that Jake was better at that than Fields and that’s why he was the starter in 2018, because Georgia’s offense did and still does demand their QB do those things pre and post-snap while coaches do all the pre-snap work for the QB who has half the reads to make in the same time post-snap in Tosu’s offense, then no, I really can’t take your argument seriously.
Athleticism and a strong arm are no where near the most important aspects of being a quarterback, ESPECIALLY in the NFL.
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That’s the one straw Fromm supporters grasp at to try to rationalize that they know what they’re talking about. “JAKE HAD IT BETWEEN THE EARS!!!!”
Like you can just sleepwalk into the Heisman trophy conversation in tOSU’s offense. Lol.
Even if Fromm was better pre-snap it still doesn’t make up for how much worse he was after the snap, you know… when football is actually played.
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I know this seems to be incredibly difficult for you to grasp:
Jake was better running Georgia’s offense than Justin Fields. PERIOD.
If you want to make an argument that Kirby’s mistake was in running a neanderthal, manball offense, then make THAT argument.
The argument you’re making instead carries no water because of the first thing I said.
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Just because you type period in all caps after a statement doesn’t make it true. You might be right, but I’m unaware of any evidence that Fromm runs any offense better than Fields. Seems like you’re just making assumptions.
But if it makes you feel better – Kirby made the wrong call going with Fromm, and he should have started Fields even if it meant changing the offense.
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Dude, those are two different arguments. How can you not see that?
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I’m willing to concede that point and amending my criticism to your standards. Both involve benching Fromm for Fields. Regardless of what else needed to be done to make that happen it needed to happen.
I’m not convinced an offensive overhaul would have been necessary, but clearly adjustments would have been made from Fromm to Fields so I’ll just go with it if it makes you happy because it’s not relevant to me.
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You argument doesn’t make any sense, so no… that’s not going to “make me happy.”
Fields couldn’t run the Georgia offense as well as Fromm did. He couldn’t do the things the QB needs to do in that offense better than Fromm could. That is the truth. There is no conspiracy. There is no “choice.”
If Fields could make the pre-snap reads and then the post-snap reads as well as Fromm could, he would’ve started. That is the truth.
Anything else is just b.s.
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What is your evidence that Fields couldn’t run the offense? I don’t think you have any. It’s just an assumption that you’ve pulled out of your ass and convinced yourself that it’s factual.
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I know this is really difficult for you to understand:
My evidence that he couldn’t run the offense as well as Fromm is that he never beat out Fromm in practice. If he could run the offense as well or as better as Fromm, he would have been the starting QB.
You seem to be really confused.
I actually have verifiable evidence. YOU are the one without any evidence.
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Right, in your reality it is impossible for Kirby to make an incorrect decision so by definition every decision he makes is the correct one.
Kind of like when Dick Cheney said the US doesn’t torture so by definition waterboarding isn’t torture because the US was doing it.
Did you propagandize yourself or did the Kremlin get to you first? 🤦🏻♂️
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All we can go on is the evidence that we were presented.
We have seen Kirby start the best player at their regardless of “talent” level on both sides of the ball. Jake Fromm is not the only one. Eric Stokes is one. Jordan Davis is one. Deandre Baker is another. He starts the best player for what he needs them to do, not the player with the most talent.
Justin Fields never beat Jake Fromm on the practice field running Georgia’s offense.
These are the facts. You are dealing in nothing but conjecture. Your argument is ephemeral. It doesn’t exist anywhere but in your mind and on the twitter feeds of idiots in the media.
Again, if you want to make the argument that Kirby should have never demanded Georgia run that style of offense, you can make that argument.
You can also make the argument that knowing the style of offense Georgia ran, Justin Fields should have never come Georgia in the first place.
Those are two rational arguments based in facts we know.
Your argument is based totally on what you feel, not what you know. I don’t have time for what you feel.
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Let’s not pretend that experimenting at D tackle and corner is the same as experimenting at the most important position in football. You can easily rotate a young kid in and out on defense if he’s not getting the job done. Not really comparable with rotating qb’s.
That said, let’s use an example that is actually relevant and that I’m sure you glossed over by mistake. If Kirby always plays the best player how do you explain D’Wan Mathis starting the opener in 2020?
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You two wanna get a room?
Agree to disagree and all that.
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You do you and stay classy. 👍🏻
31 comments in one thread arguing with others might be indicative of something, but YMMV.
In light of recent developments here at GTP, I would love to read more comments from others that are on topic and not as many pissing matches and wasted bandwidth. I guess I could invoke my inner middle schooler and curse at you now and call you names. No thanks. But again, you do you.
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“at times”. LOL. He was fifth nationally in passer rating in 2018.
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LOL. Fromm’s 2018 rating was 65th best of all time. Fields’ two seasons at tOSU were 21st and 41st. This is not a real competition guys.
In hindsight there is zero case to be made that Fromm was better than Fields. None. No coach on earth would start Fromm knowing what we know now.
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Hindsight is undefeated. It’s also useless.
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It’s not useless when evaluating whether a decision was correct or incorrect. In fact, it’s about as valuable a tool that exists.
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I hate to break it to you, but repeating the same argument over and over doesn’t validate it.
Again, I get that you prefer Fields and I understand why. But since neither he, nor Fromm (nor Chaney, for that matter) are with UGA at this point, the value of your hindsight tool is less than zero.
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It validates it if people keep trying and failing to refute it. I’m open to being wrong, I’ve been from before. Like when I thought Fromm was better than Fields.
If you don’t see the value of Kirby being able to look back on that situation given the qb room he has brewing for spring 2022 then I’m sorry to say you’re missing the mark.
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Cool. Not only do you have superhuman hindsight powers, but you’re also able to see into the future!
You are wasting your talents in the GTP comments section, my friend.
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Hindsight is free for any mortal to take advantage of. I can’t see the future, I’m simply taking into a account of the quarterbacks currently committed and enrolled on the roster and as well as their rankings coming in. You’re right though, I’m sure Kirby draws zero connections and has learned nothing from the Fields/Fromm situation. That’s a comforting thought.
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LOL. So, who’s the Fields and who’s the Fromm in the ’22 QB room? Kirby and Monken could use the help, no doubt.
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Are you seriously trying to make the case that nobody (especially not football coaches) learns from the past? Pretty far fetched ideology. Good luck. 👍🏼
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Wishful thinking isn’t the same thing as learning. Hindsight isn’t knowledge; it’s projection.
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I don’t understand what correlation you’re drawing between wishful thinking and learning, but that isn’t the definition of hindsight. I looked it up in case it was. It isn’t.
Maybe we’re talking about two different things though. Perhaps the disconnect. Different definitions of hindsight.
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Oy. Look, Kirby’s gonna do what he thinks is best, regardless of what is posted in the comments thread.
Why don’t you save your complaints for when he makes a decision in 2022? (Although, to be consistent, you should wait until a couple of years after the fact to weigh in.)
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Right, and the only time it was acceptable to criticize the Schottenheimer and Coley hires is before they took the OC jobs in Athens. We’re not allowed to say anything negative about it after the fact because… well, that part isn’t clear.
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And now, we come to the moving the goal posts segment of our conversation.
Nobody is telling you that you can’t be critical. I just think this whole “knowing what we know now” shtick is a complete waste of bandwidth. Obviously, YMMV.
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I’m genuinely asking here. How would you characterize the Coley promotion? Critically speaking that is. I’m open to the idea that I’m looking at it wrong.
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I think Smart valued recruiting more than he did having an OC good at designing and implementing an offense, a mistake he rectified by hiring Monken.
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Okay. I think Smart valued the safe consistent choice in Fromm more than he did having a more talented less experienced Fields, a mistake he is hopefully on his way to rectifying, but he isn’t there yet.
Better?
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Not really. But then again, I’m not invested in your narrative.
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I don’t know what you want from me then.
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I don’t want anything from you. I just think you are making a complete waste of an argument that you’ve convinced yourself is damning of Smart’s coaching. More power to you.
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I’m not damning Smart’s coaching. I just think he made the wrong call in 2018. I think the facts bear that out.
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Senator, it seems to me that Kirby rectified both by hiring Monken. I believe Vandagriff was still committed to Oklahoma when Monken was hired, and Stockton eventually came around to Monken as he got to know him over Bobo (given I think Harsin believed Bobo would be bringing Stockton with him to Greater Opelika).
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Maybe my favorite part of the Monken hire is how it eventually fucked both Sakerlina AND The Barn.
The only thing sweeter is if it were Sideshow Dan the Clown or the Hillbillyville Dumpster Fire instead. Hah!
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Has anyone thought about that Fields decided to leave because he read the writing on the wall that Coley was going to be promoted to OC? He had been coached by him for a year and thought, “Oh, no.” Just a thought.
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I mean, that’s why I believe Fromm left.
Everyone has a reason the blame Kirby for something regarding the offense or the personnel the last couple of years. As much as I blame Kirby for his stubborn to the point of costing his team wins insistence on play not to lose football on offense, it was his decision to not tell Fromm immediately after the Sugar Bowl that he was demoting Coley that makes me truly angry.
If Fromm knows Monken is on the way, there is no way in hell he leaves. Change my mind.
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What evidence do you have that Fromm didn’t know about Monken? Making stuff up again.
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I don’t. That’s why I said I BELIEVE. That means it’s an opinion not necessarily based in fact, but in non-verifiable ephemera like common sense. Call it a gut feeling.
I won’t make the same argument out of that the way you are with how you feel about the other thing.
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Your rationalization just flipped from “facts” to your “gut feeling” really quick.
Let me reiterate the fact base I’m working with.
– The totality of game film, QBR, and NFL draft order all point decisively to Fields being the superior player.
– Based on performance in practice Kirby started the inferior qb option in 2020. So much so that he had to bench him in game 1. So it’s entirely plausible the same thing was happening in 2018.
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Dude… I’ve laid out all the actual evidence for you to see. Others have as well. It’s not an us problem that you can’t see it and refuse to acknowledge it. That’s a you problem.
I get it. You FEEL deeply about this to the point that you believe it’s true though you have no facts to back up your feeling.
I believe what I believe about Jake Fromm leaving Georgia is true, but I’m not going to argue it like you’re doing with your feeling here, because honestly, I don’t know. I don’t know. I can’t point to any facts like I can with why Jake Fromm was Georgia’s 2018 QB.
With what happened in 2018, we have verifiable facts that do not back your feelings. That doesn’t mean that your feelings are not be true, they very well could be, it just means that there’s no facts you can argue while there are facts that can be argued against you.
I gotta go walk my dog and make dinner.
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In one comment you’re presenting your feelings as facts in the next you’re admitting they’re just your feelings. It’s hard for me to keep straight because I’m on my phone and frankly the WordPress app sucks on a mobile device. Suffice it to say you have sufficiently embarrassed yourself enough for the whole weekend. Nice job. 👍🏼
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It had been refuted. Multiple times by multiple people.
Fromm was a better QB running Georgia’s offense. If Fields was better, he would’ve started. Eric Stokes and Fromm himself are proof that Kirby starts the best players to fit what he wants, not those with the most “talent.”
If you want to make the argument that Kirby should have run a dummy offense like Tosu’s instead of caveman manball, that is an argument worth having.
Your argument is flawed for the simple fact that it is not true. Fields was a great QB running Tosu’s offense. He was not better running Georgia’s offense than Jake Fromm.
You can rail against that truth all you want, but it doesn’t make it less true.
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Yeah, I remember all those games Fromm won for us. All the while I was thinking “damn, good thing he doesn’t have more athleticism or arm strength. It sure would suck for this team if we had a future Heisman finalist and first round NFL draft pick running the offense. No way that would be a positive addition.”
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Again, what’s between the ears and how fast they can process information is far more important to a QB than athleticism and arm strength.
Or I’m sorry, did Mike Vick, Vince Young, Tim Tebow, Johnny Manziel, and RGIII win a bunch of MVPs I didn’t know about?
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MVP’s? No. Heisman trophies? Yes. Last I check Georgia was a college program, and everyone on your list was a first round draft pick because of how good they were in college. Fields belongs on that list as well, Fromm can’t sniff the jocks on that list. Unless you’re about to make the case for his future MVP campaign.
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I would say Fromm was better than Fields in the system we were running then. Fields under Coley would have been worse than Fromm under Coley in my opinion. Fields is obviously more physically gifted, but he flourished after he left UGA because he was in a system that maximized his talents. Fields was not going to flourish at UGA until the system changed to fit his skills.
I think both Fields and Fromm would have succeeded with Monken and wish to hell one of them would have stuck around to play under him in this system.
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This is the real
issue. Kirby’s fault is not in “picking Fromm” over Fields (which is complete horseshit, Fromm BEAT Fields every day), it’s that the offense Kirby demanded Georgia run was some backwards-looking manball neanderthal bullshit that even Nick Saban rejected.
Here’s the dirty little secret though, and you hit on it: In some kinds of spread offenses, Fromm would’ve been great, too. Not the zone read option offshoots, which Fields ran at Tosu, but in an Air Raid or Air Raid offshoot for sure.
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I agree with your point about Monken but as one prominent pundit put it on Twitter back in 2018 “If Justin Fields doesn’t fit your system then your system sucks.”
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THIS is the argument that is rational and makes sense.
The other argument, that Kirby “chose” wrong is irrational. He didn’t choose anything. Fromm was better running the offense Kirby wanted to run. Period.
We’re going to see Fields bust out of the NFL now that he has to make all the pre snap reads, checks, and audibles, and play in an offense where he has 2-3 seconds to make five full reads instead of two or three reads because half the routes being run are dummy routes.
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Yes, we do know the result. You achieved exactly the level of success of the guy who WAS chosen. Not exactly a powerful argument.
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Betting that there are a lot of tOSU fans (and coaches) that hope that Justin can end the stigma that tOSU doesn’t create great NFL QBs. A
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This is the real story. Dwayne Haskins, Cardale Jones, and Terelle Pryor in recent history.
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Don’t forget ole Herbie himself. LOL.
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Does that mean he is going to quit the Bears?
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The Bears named Andy Dalton as their starting QB today. Justin Fields’s father is trying to get him into the NFL transfer portal immediately.
😏
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He’s not wrong.
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And y’all thing politics is confrontational. LOL. Roquan is still a force to be reckoned with and the bears QB is still an enigma since “the shuffle”.
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JMac and the D were the golden mean.
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Wow!!! All this argument and not ONE personal insult! WTG guys!
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It is possible.
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He had a cancerous attitude at UGA and apparently it hasn’t changed.
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Tyson Campbell is first pick of the second round to… Jacksonville.
He has to play for Corch. I mean, great for him that he gets picked in a prime position, but fuck. It’s fucking Corch.
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Fields is just a big ol’ quitter that wouldn’t compete for the job.
Reminds me a lot of JT Daniels.
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I’m calling it now: You’re not a Dawg.
I don’t know what you are, but you’re not a Dawg. Going after J.T. Daniels was a step too far. No Dawg in his or her right mind would do that.
I don’t know if you’re a ‘turd, a bug, a barner, a hillbilly, a chicken, or whatever the hell you are, but you’re not a Dawg.
You did a good job for a few months pretending to be a disgruntled Dawg, but you took it one step too far and exposed yourself for us all to see. You got cocky, a little too full of yourself in this ruse, and you took it too far.
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Lol.
Just pointing out the hypocrisy of everyone crying that Fields is a quitter for leaving for a starting job when our current quarterback did the same.
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My real contempt isn’t for Daniels, it’s for the commenters that are intellectually dishonest.
Daniels transfers in and he’s coming to play for the great Kirby Smart in the wisest move of his collegiate career.
Fields leaves for an opportunity to play and he’s a treacherous turncoat that lacks the wherewithal to wait for his turn or win the job in practice.
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I must give you credit though, you’ve figured me out.
I’ve been commenting here for 5 years undercover as a faux-Georgia fan, just trying to pick up a tidbit that will tear the UGA football fans and permanently demoralize the fan base.
Thank goodness that there are UG-Anon white hats like yourself ready to defend the team from infiltrators like myself.
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If you can’t understand the difference in losing your job to injury and not winning a job because you couldn’t beat the established starter, I got nothing for you.
And that’s not a defense of the people who go after Fields. I don’t bare him ill will for leaving, I do so for the way he acted while he was here, in leaving, and now with his bullshit comments after he hilariously fell in the draft because according to rumor he interviewed so badly with the 49ers and Falcons by acting like an entitled asshole that they couldn’t run from him fast enough.
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