Upon further consideration

You know, there is the possibility that I’m overestimating Barry Odom’s defensive prowess, at least when it comes to coaching against Georgia during the Smart era.

Last year, Georgia scored 30 on his defense (one score came via a pick-six), although Arkansas did a good job holding the Dawgs to 4.35 ypp.

Per cfbstats.com, here’s what Georgia’s offense did during Odom’s time at Mizzou:

  • 2019:  27 points, 5.06 ypp
  • 2018:  43 points, 7.06 ypp
  • 2017:  53 points, 9.04 ypp
  • 2016:  28 points, 4.40 ypp

I guess you could call that a mixed bag, although I bet if Georgia matched any of those performances tomorrow, including 2016, they’d win.

The average, in case you’re wondering, is 34.8 points and 5.98 ypp.  And that’s with a throwaway season, a Coley season and however you want to refer to the ’20 season mixed in.  Like I said, maybe I’m overestimating a little.

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34 responses to “Upon further consideration

  1. practicaldawg

    Odom’s stats in the 2020 game were greatly aided by Dwan’s performance in the first half.

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  2. lincolndawg

    I know the narrative is that Arkansas will give us a good game and possibly upset us. I know the media would love it. But I gotta say, I just don’t see it. I think we win big.

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    • iusedtopostasmikecooley

      I definitely think Georgia wins and it wouldn’t surprise me if it ends up being by a lot. I think Arkansas is probably a pretty good team but I think they are being hyped a whole lot for reasons that have nothing to do with them. Some of it is talking heads doing talking head things trying to create a buzz. But some of it is this strange compulsion the chatter class has to dampen anything related to Georgia on the positive side of things. I was going to comment on this yesterday when the Senator posted the article about Dawg grading. Somebody help me understand this need the chatter class has to downplay all of Georgia’s positives and amplify even perspective negatives such as the threat Arkansas poses. With the dominance Georgia has shown so far irrespective of whether or not a person views the competition as keen, we’ve heard Herbstriet’s assertion that Florida is probably a better team because they almost beat Alabama and Brad Nessler doing the same thing. Now while I don’t care what these people think I am interested as to why they do this to Georgia over and over. I used to think it had something to do with Mark Richt but it has been proven to span across coaches. Anybody got any ideas as to why this phenomenon exists?

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      • 86bone

        JEALOUSY!!
        They don’t have and never will have:
        Athens
        Sanford Stadium
        Red Bonnets w The Power G
        Herschel Walker
        The 5th Quarter
        Coopers
        O’Mally’s
        Georgia Theatre
        Athens…
        Shall I go on?

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      • Until Georgia finally lives up to its potential and beats Saban and wins a national championship, the narrative will always be that the program cannot win the big game. Every one of our “rivals” gets the benefit of the doubt because they’ve won one in the past 20-25 years — Tennessee, Florida, Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Clemson, even Florida State and Ohio State have all won at least one since 1998, after all. We don’t get to be on that pedestal until that time.

        These are all lazy narratives, of course, but they are the narratives that are easily sold to the “neutral” until such time as they are proven wrong.

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        • Plus, these guys are trying to keep eyeballs on the screen and drive numbers to watch games. They can’t say at any point before calling a game, “You know, I think Georgia crushes Arkansas” because why would the neutral viewer tune in for that?

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          • iusedtopostasmikecooley

            Right. I pointed out that some of it is talking heads doing talking head things and trying to create buzz. Apart from that it might be what you say it is but seems oddly personal. Which is nuts. There’s no reason it should be. But it feels like they almost actively root against Georgia. Weird.

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            • gurkhadawg

              Almost? I agree completely except for the “almost”. I’ve often wondered the same thing Mike. Several times I’ve heard broadcasters let out an audible “ahhh” when something goes right for Georgia during a game. They didn’t mean to say it out loud, but they were actually actively rooting against Georgia. Like you, I wonder WTF they have against us.

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              • iusedtopostasmikecooley

                Gary Danielson is the worst in my opinion. Vern was one of the few who seemed to be secretly rooting for us. The Florida game in maybe 2013 but I’m not sure. Malcolm Mitchell catches a pass over near the sideline. The Florida dB goes high as he’s catching it and Vern messes up and says “Watch out!” right out loud. Sometimes I think Gary goes overboard with it because of his and Vern’s dancing during the Auburn blackout game in ‘07. I wonder is he trying extra hard to prove he isn’t biased. The ESPN app is the only way to watch. No commentary at all. Just the crowd noise and the band. I love it. I used to think it was Mark Richt’s “good guy” image that they didn’t like but it has continued under Kirby.

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                • iusedtopostasmikecooley

                  Also, do y’all remember the Vanderbilt game in like ‘13? The way the commentators were openly cheering for Vandy was weird. I remember one instance of one of them going, “Woooooooooo!” When Vandy got a first down.

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        • W

          This. They did the same to Clemson (“Clemsoning”) until 2016.

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        • akascuba

          That’s it 1995 you nailed it. Until that National Championship comes back to Athens the Dawg grading continues without fail.

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      • Munsoning

        “The chatter class.” Love it.

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  3. 69Dawg

    Munson moment: Watch the odd front alignment that Arkansas uses all the time. The Nose Guard is right on the center and that is going to be the weak point in our Oline. If you have never played center, it is hard enough to snap the ball with the QB under center. When know that you are going to get bull rushed at the snap and you are snapping to a QB behind you, it’s a whole different world. Can VP handle the nose one on one is the million dollar question. If Luke has to give him help from the guards Ark will send an ILB into any gap created. Our QB is somewhat injured and not a runner so a couple of lookout blocks from our center may not be conducive to his continued health.
    They will walk 3 more players up to make a six man front and though they usually end up dropping it still causes the OLine to be confused calling the Mike. Look for 12 personnel and a lot of short quick shots to RB and or TE’s. Their safeties play deep but come up quick, play action or RPO to RB will be a way to get our WR open deep.
    Other than that how was the show Mrs. Lincoln?

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  4. Personally, I think Odam is a lot more stoic than Monken…if Monken can adjust his offense to what Barry is giving him, and I think our offense is more dynamic than Mizzou’s defense, we’ll be able to move that ball consistently down the field…advantage goes to Monken here in my opinion

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  5. Biggen

    I think Odom’s a fine defensive coach. I just don’t think he is the modern day equivalent of Buddy Ryan. Everyone is speaking of this vaunted 3-2-6 defense as a spread stopper. Hmm… Well if that were the case, wouldn’t everyone be doing it? And it’s not like we’ve never seen it before. We beat Odom 4 times when he was running it as a HC.

    It’s all about the Jimmys and Joes. Ours are better.

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    • jcdawg83

      I think the 3-2-6 is pretty good at stopping the big pass play. It seems like a modified prevent defense that retains a couple linebackers up at the line of scrimmage to stop the run.

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    • iusedtopostasmikecooley

      Seems like people are just repeating what they hear. I think that happens a lot. Barry Odum gets talked up and suddenly you see that all over the place. I had to think to myself where Inhad heard his name before. Then I remembered he was the Missouri coach for a while. Not saying he can’t coach but are but if anybody wants to argue with a straight face that he knows something Venables doesn’t I’d love to hear it.

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  6. Arkansas is about to be stunned by their dawggrading.

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  7. uga97

    Last year is our only Monken sample vs Odom but was with Bennett taking over 2nd half at QB & our 1st game, a road SEC game in a weird year. Time to pop the top wide open & let JT rip, especially at home with fans.

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  8. theotherdoug

    I think Odom is a pretty good DC and Pittman was smart to hire him. He does a great job of giving his team a chance against better teams. That’s all Arkansas can ask him to scheme against a UGA.

    For laughs, how does he compare to Grantham? Yeah, I’m glad Odom isn’t in Gainesville.

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    • iusedtopostasmikecooley

      As I said above, how does he compare with Venables? To me that seems a more relevant question.

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  9. akascuba

    All Barry Odum is doing is slowing teams down avoiding the big plays. The 3-2-6 is nothing magical or innovative. The teams Arkansas has played so far have self destructed before scoring on long drives mostly. He’s been very good over the years adapting his defense to what his players do best. This group makes you beat them. Sustainable long drives are needed and this is a perfect opportunity for JT and Monken to showcase this is not the same old Georgia.

    There is a long tradition with the earned privilege to listen to the inner Munson and not assume better talent wins out. Too many years of everything from bad coaching, bad luck, injuries or something seems to go wrong. I believe this team is fully capable if healthy to go 15-0 and win that NC. Until done my inner Munson will continue worrying.

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  10. charlottedawg

    This is nitpicking but you have to subtract 14 points from the 2018 total as 1 TD came from a Tyson Campbell strip and fumble return and second came from the Eric stokes blocked punt

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  11. Matthew McKinney

    Highly recommend checking out Brooks:
    https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCqipe2JOIQZke4AN3-K9DJA
    JT is perfectly suited to maximise production against Arkansas.

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  12. Russ

    JT a game time decision per Dawg Post.

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  13. bigjohnson1992

    Well, if we only score 27 we still win. I don’t see them scoring more than 17 max, including any garbage time

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