Yar, baby!

The Pirate may not win championships, but look at the places he’s coached at.  What he can do is take an historically downtrodden school to a higher level than it’s accustomed to.

Like, say, Texas Tech.

Pooh pooh it if you want, but there are a lot of places out there that would happily take a decade of Leach relevance over what they usually have.

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31 responses to “Yar, baby!

  1. ApalachDawg aux Bruxelles

    Craig James strenuously objects with these figures.

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    • W Cobb Dawg

      Funny how the mere threat of a day in the utility room box can motivate players to do great things. Leach looks back on his Colonel Kurtz phase fondly.

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  2. J.R. Clark

    The folks in Starkville must be OVERJOYED!

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  3. Biggen

    His winning percentage dropped when he went to Washington in what I’d argue was a considerably easier conference to win in. Is this because his time at Texas Tech was before the term “Spread” and “Air Raid” were common terms and defenses hadn’t caught up to how to defend it?

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    • Consider the context of coaching at Wazzu. Leach followed a coach whose winning percentage was .184 and went .539. Mike Price managed to take a .516 performance there and turn it into being hired at Alabama.

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      • Derek

        While we’re on numbers, Pac 10 titles won at WSU:

        Price 2

        Leach 0.

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        • While we’re on numbers, why don’t you compare the winning percentages of the coaches Price and Leach succeeded?

          You may now return to your regular Mike Leach bashing.

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          • gastr1

            The funny part is Leach is clearly such a mediocre coach, more suited to outscheming others on lower levels, that Derek doesn’t even really have to argue the point.

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          • Derek

            Leach’s predecessor at TT had a longer history and a higher winning percentage than Price’s did at WSU.

            Leach’s predecessor at WSU was particularly bad.

            But is Lou Holtz better than Ara Parseghian, Frank Leahy and Knute Rockne because Lou had the misfortune of following Gerry Faust?

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          • We should bash Mike Price a little more…I had nearly forgotten that name…wasn’t he the Bama coach that was fired because of strippergate before he ever coached a game at Bama? America just seemed simpler then…sigh

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            • Derek

              But for that fiasco maybe we never have to deal with Satan?

              Who knows?

              My guess is that Price would have done well enough to be around for a few years.

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      • Harold Miller

        At least for a couple of beers and some strippers.

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    • ericstrattonrushchairmandamngladtomeetyou

      He had one great season at Wazzou where he had the best team in the PAC 12 but didn’t get to play in the championship game because Wazzou had to play its last game against rival Washington in a blizzard and lost.

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  4. Ran A

    I can think of a place right near the World’s Largest Drive In.

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    • originaluglydawg

      Their dogs and burgers seem to be much smaller than they used to be…and the prices are ridiculous.
      I go to Zestos for my oil change now.
      How’s that for straying from the subject?

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  5. biggusrickus

    I don’t have anything about Leach, but it’s worth remembering that Craig James used his position at ESPN to get a coach fired over some BS and never really paid a price for it.

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  6. Derek

    If you suck and you strive for mediocrity, then hire the guy. Just don’t tell me that he’s winning natties if LSU hires him. No. No he’s not.

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  7. TEXBaller

    TT heavily leaning towards Art Briles.

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  8. Russ

    Mike Leach is like a more interesting Paul Johnson. He has a gimmick offense that can elevate a lower tier program, but I do agree with Derek that he’s got a ceiling somewhere below championship level.

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    • Texas Dawg

      Until he learns to at least spell DEFENSE, he has pretty much reached his ceiling.

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    • Derek

      Keep one thing in mind. Unlike Leach, Paul Johnson has championships.

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      • Texas Dawg

        Johnson was the perfect coach for Tech. He knew he was never going to be able to go head to head the UGA or any other of the surrounding powerhouses. He went after players the others didn’t want and ran an offense that you rarely see. A quirky coach for a quirky university. When he as at Georgia Southern, that offense was killer against less physical defenses. He probably got the same level of player at Tech to run the offense that he would have had in Statesboro. The problem was they needed FBS defense to give them a chance but could only procure FCS level talent.

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  9. Dylan Dreyer's Booty

    I don’t pooh-pooh what Mike Leach has done, but folks that thought he might be a good fit for UGA should realize that he would have taken a good CMR team and made it worse. More exciting, maybe, but worse overall. It will annoy me if GT makes a move to hire him, though.

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  10. Regardless of his coaching skill level, I was hoping he’d be more of a quote machine, along with the Laner. Lane has done his part, but Leach has been a lot more low key than I expected.

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  11. Corch Irvin Meyers, Former Jags Corch (2021)

    If I were the AD at a Tier 2 CFB P5 program, I’d hire Mike Leach and reap the benefits for the next 10 years. He ALWAYS outperforms the historical mean of the program. Those are facts that cannot be argued. The Senator has them listed above and in the comments.

    Some people here keep on trying to change the argument to fit their preferred narrative (and isn’t that annoying Senator?), but at the end of the day, give Leach 3 years and he’s gonna start winning 8-10 games a year, go to good bowls for the conference he’s coaching in at the time, and bring positive press. When you’re TT, Wazzu, or MSU, you’d be hard-pressed to do better.

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    • Derek

      How very, very “provincial.”

      This is Leach’s 21st year as a head coach.

      He’s got to double digit wins twice. In both they won 11 so why say 8-10? In 20 plus seasons he’s never just won 10….or a division title for that matter.

      Btw: I call that mediocrity. That isn’t a narrative its the truth.

      It ain’t Scott Frost at UCF.
      It ain’t Fuente at Memphis.
      It ain’t Herman at Houston.
      It aint Bill Clark at UAB and Jax State.
      It ain’t Billy Napier at Louisiana.
      It ain’t Jamey Chadwell at Coastal Carolina.

      Those guys succeeded or are succeeding and putting up banners at tough jobs.

      If you want to go back and really look at actual impressive resumes at tough places on bigger stages, which is who Leach ought be compared to, look at:

      Bobby Bowden at FSU
      Howard Schnellenberger at Miami
      Don Nehlen at WVU
      Frank Beamer at VT
      Joe Paterno at PSU
      Steve Spurrier at Duke, UF and USC
      Bear Bryant at UK and A&M

      Each of those guys took nothing programs from nowhere and into prominence. The three programs Leach led were marginal before, during and after his tenure.

      Leach is more June Jones or John L. Smith than any of those guys. And of course, that’s a bit unfair as Jones won titles at Hawaii and Smith won them at Idaho, Utah State and Louisville. So even against “meh” Leach is demonstrably more “meh.”

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