You were always on my mind…

Stewart Mandel and the Montana Project just can’t quit each other ($$).

It has not been a full five years since your last edition of Kings and Barons, but with USC and LSU poaching coaches from fellow “Kings,” do you think it is time for an update? Also, is there a hierarchy among the Kings, or is this year’s coaching carousel an anomaly? — Chris, Toledo

It’s hard to believe it’s been almost 15 years since the original 2007 edition. I came back with updated editions as promised in 2012 and in 2017, so the next one is only a few months away. And yes, given all the changes to the sport, I am considering breaking it into more than four tiers. I guess I’ll have to brush up on feudal societies.

And of course, how fitting would it be if the school that touched off the original idea — whose exclusion from my Kings caused a guy in Montana to film himself quizzing people at sports bars about a football helmet — wins the national championship right beforehand.

That would be fine with me.

By the way, check out his list from 2017.  I’d say it’s in need of some serious revising.

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46 responses to “You were always on my mind…

  1. Corch Irvin Meyers, Former Jags Corch (2021)

    That he is still claiming he was proven right when he was laughably proven wrong is what still sticks into my craw this day.

    Then, getting to actually see the kind of person Stew Mandel is over social media the last few years, it’s all actually not surprising at all. I just thought he was a provincial Northwestern/B1G asshole, now I think so much less of him. He’s the worst of the worst, scum of the earth kinda guy.

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  2. aim260

    I’d say you’re about to get an influx of new visitors, Senator… #congrats #mandeleffect

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  3. siskey

    Miami is the team that has changed the most from when I started watching college football. The amount of press that they still receive is baffling to me. They are a program that was great for 20 years, 20 years ago. I am glad that you are getting the attention you rate for the fine work you do and Go Dawgs!

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    • jcdawg83

      Miami, Nebraska, USC, Texas and FSU have all gone from being powerful programs to nothing more than “also rans” in the last 20 years. All of them get far more national press than they deserve. I can’t help but wonder if the age of the people running the networks and sports publications has something to do with that.

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      • Dylan Dreyer's Booty

        It’s hard to see how these schools (Miami, Nebraska, USC, Texas and FSU) have managed to fall so far. They have money, especially Texas, tradition and great recruiting bases. It seems like to me that it would be hard to fuck all that up, but they have managed.

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        • Texas Dawg

          Texas is pretty simple. Booster interference. The others, I have no clue.

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        • classiccitycanine

          Nebraska: Victim of increasingly bad geography, different rules (no more partial qualifiers), and the complete erosion of the competitive advantage that came with their introduction of the first modern strength training program.

          FSU: Not enough financial support because the alumni base is poor, culture has been mismanaged, and Florida talent is no longer a well kept secret.

          Miami: Not enough financial support because the alumni base is small, facilities suck, and the South Florida talent gold mine is no longer a well kept secret.

          Texas: Easily the most toxic booster culture in college sports. Too many chiefs.

          USC: This one is the biggest mystery to me. I guess it comes down to mismanagement as well as the disadvantage of the Pac 12’s TV deal. They probably just solved their problems with Riley though.

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          • stoopnagle

            This is dead on. Of these programs, I think USC and Texas can crawl back into prominence fairly quickly with FSU sort of in the middle; I think Miami and Nebraska are done.

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            • Texas Dawg

              For Texas to return to prominence, it is going to have to be a coach that basically tells the boosters to go fuck themselves that he is in TOTAL charge not them. It will take a personality like Saban to get the job done with the skins on the wall to back it up. This is nothing new to Texas (the whole state) football. Bear Bryant had to take TAMU to Junction in the middle of nowhere to get away from the boosters back in the 50’s. Today’s boosters make them seem totally benign.

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    • miltondawg

      For me that team would have to be either Miami or Nebraska since my watching of college football really started in my teens in the 80s. I would say that Florida State is in that category as well but that is probably recency bias on my part since they won a natty eight years ago.

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      • fisheriesdawg

        It’s Nebraska. In the mid-90s, they were the Holy Roman Emperor of all those Kings. Twenty years ago they were still playing for a natty. Two decades later, it’s hard to see how they ever make it anywhere near the top again. The recruiting is just too much of an uphill battle for them today.

        Miami’s dominance was more recent and it’s also easier to see how they get back on top with the right breaks, especially with FSU and Florida struggling. Right now, Alabama is actually the biggest problem for all three schools. I know Saban has a lakehouse in Georgia, but he’d probably spend more time at a beach house in Florida given where he recruits now.

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    • The 80s were (so sadly) more than 20 years ago.

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  4. That was a great experience!
    Go Dawgs!

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  5. Boy, I think I’m having my own road to Damascus moment. For the last couple years I would “pass over” all the money is ruining college football debates on GTP. I’d let others argue the pros and cons. But now, with LSU coaxing Kelly away from Notre Dame and FU landing a mid-major coach at the same time, my dumb hillbilly ass is seeing it unfold. Tex and OU joining the SEC, money is completely changing the landscape of college ball. Notre Dame was the coaching destination in college football…until last weekend, when money proved it wasn’t.

    The landscape of college Powerhouses has changed, and some of those schools should be leery.

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    • gastr1

      You know what really has done this at least as much as money? The early signing period. That, my friend, is fucking up CFB in a major way.

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      • PTC DAWG

        I don’t see the point in any signing period…if a school offers, and a kid wants to sign, go for it. I see the point in scholarship limits, keep those…

        Who really cares anymore, kids/coaches change teams at will.

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        • gastr1

          You really haven’t caught on that coaches are leaving/getting canned mid-season because of recruiting (and the change in the signing date)? That is one heavy-ass rock you’re under, brudder.

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  6. gastr1

    Actually what is going on in the coaching carousel IS good for college football. It’s actually GOOD that a real coach go to USC because he’s not down with creating a single super-conference. An it’s also GOOD that another coach leaves to join said super-conference because his own school won’t bother to join a conference at all.

    These reactions to problems that will balance out the equation somewhat.
    Features, not bugs, Mandel.

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  7. dawgphan34

    The floor for a top level coach double this season. 3 coaches getting 10/95-100 million contracts is wild. Smart seems like a steal on a 7/49 deal.

    Also an indicator of how well asset prices have done for wealthy boosters over the last 2 years. Coming up with new coach money doesn’t have to shake as many couch cushions.

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  8. chicagodawgfan

    Still THE best blogging moment ever as evidenced by the fact it lives on almost 15 years later!

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  9. Texas Dawg

    That list is in SERIOUS need of revision. Multiple Kings have been dethroned with some of them banished from their kingdoms and are wandering in the CFB wilderness unlikely to ever regain their thrones. Some of the Barons have staged palace coups and are proudly wearing their shinny new crowns. A few knights are trying to become barons. Some of the peasants are trying to kick in the castle door. Some of peasants are lucky to allowed to remain on the land eking out their meager existence.

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  10. This reminds me of Lou Holtz proclaiming “CFB is better when ND is good”. I hear the same about programs mentioned in this thread and think back and remember CFB being great with or without them.

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  11. ApalachDawg aux Bruxelles

    this blog is ELITE

    …but we all knew that already

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  12. bucketheridge

    I don’t think it’s worth the trouble, but I always wondered what the count would’ve been for a Michigan helmet, since Mandel assumed 100.

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  13. godawgs1701

    To see Nebraska where they are now compared to where they were when I was growing up in the 80s and 90s is shocking. Miami, too, but goodness. I bet if the Cornhuskers had it to do all over again they would have held on to Frank Solich a few more years before throwing him overboard. He wasn’t going to bring national titles home, but man he could have at least kept the program relevant a while longer.

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    • stoopnagle

      I read Bruce Feldman’s book on The U this year. I learned that Miami was a doormat forever that teams like Georgia would schedule for a season-ending easy road win and nice little trip for the team and fans. Then Howard Schellenberger showed up and put them on the map, handed them to Jimmy Johnson, and BAM. I don’t know anything like that could happen again at Miami.

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      • godawgs1701

        Schellenberger was a man for his time. The set of circumstances on which he capitalized simply don’t exist anymore. Everyone recruits down there now and everyone does it well. Miami was able to take advantage of a moment in time where only a few teams had access down there and they put up a fence for south Florida’s talent. Miami would need to invest so much capital to catch up with facilities and they’d honestly probably need to build a stadium in order to bring back the kind of enthusiasm that caused those kids to stay home – I don’t think they can do it. They will be competitive again at some point, but they will never dominate again the way they used to.

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