“”I thought there was a chance we’d get to the end today.”

Wrong, bacon breath.

On Wednesday morning, College Football Playoff staff members had a hotel meeting room reserved for a potentially historic news conference to announce playoff expansion — a floor-to-ceiling backdrop with the CFP logo, a two-team audio/visual staff with a sound system and a lectern and chairs for the media.

By early afternoon, it was all disassembled.

“I thought there was a chance we’d get to the end today,” Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby said. “We didn’t, and there were good and appropriate reasons why we didn’t.”

Here’s where they’re at:

In other words, same as it ever was.  It sounds like there’s still a group out there who think they’re gonna get Greg Sankey to vote against his interests and agree to an eight-team format with conference champ AQs.

“I think that an eight option is still alive,” Mountain West commissioner Craig Thompson said.

“I’ll let Craig speak for himself,” Sankey said. “I was part of a group that brought forward a recommendation of six conference champions and the six best remaining teams. Or I can stay at four.”

Does that sound like a man who’s ready to be convinced, or a man who knows he’s got sufficient leverage?

I’ve said this already, but if there’s a group still letting their hurt fee-fees force a meaningless confrontation over format that winds up leaving the current structure in place, I hope they keep sucking their thumbs for years to come.

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41 responses to ““”I thought there was a chance we’d get to the end today.”

  1. $ankey is the de facto commissioner of college football now, and he’s not afraid to use his leverage. Jack Swarbrick is quietly standing with him as Notre Dame knows this is best for their interests as a football independent. Given that the Pac 12, ACC, and Big 12 could all get shut out of the playoff this year, I don’t get why they aren’t asking for this. That leaves Kevin Warren and his hurt fee-fees over OU and Texas and his failed attempt to have college football canceled in 2020.

    The B1G can’t stand that the SEC is the straw that stirs the drink that is college football now.

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  2. SoCalDawg

    cheers to more “whine” & keeping the current format as long as possible.

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    • Down Island Way

      Keep the system at 4 teams and make the games 51/2 hour$ long so Mickey can get their$…(sound the music,let the death march begin)…

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  3. ApalachDawg aux Bruxelles

    Sankey’s wallet has “Bad Ass Motherfucker” on it.

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  4. Ran A

    Real simple. Butt hurt Big 12, Butt hurt Big 10 and Butt hurt ACC – they want no part of having to face three, four or maybe even five or more SEC teams in the play-offs.
    That’s fine. Keep this crap up and the SEC will just hold our own round robin tournament and crown our own National Champion. Kind of already do that now…
    Let is stand at four – Sandy will renegotiate and grab more and more major bowl slots – shoot, we can play each other – draw larger crowds and higher TV ratings…

    These guys are playing Chicken with the wrong dude.

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    • Tony BarnFart

      “We want a bigger bite at the pie to show we can play with the SEC, but not too much pie or they may shove it down our throats when the Final 4 is All-SEC.”
      Their only concern appears to be crafting a system where the playoff has the lowest PERCENTAGE exposure to SEC participants. They are so terrified of both 2 of 4 or 5 of 12, that they’re willing to sacrifice their own arguments (give more of us a chance and we’ll show you we can win) to achieve…what I’m still unsure of.

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  5. argondawg

    Somebody explain to me how 12 works it’s way down? The math doesn’t work. Do some get a bye or something?

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    • mp

      4 get a first round bye

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      • originaluglydawg

        And if you think we’re hearing whining from the lesser conferences now, just wait unit they have face two well rested SEC teams in the second round. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth with cries of “UNFAIR! UNFAIR”…and they’ll be right. A bye week in college football has a lot of value.
        But not to worry. SEC teams will get set up to play each other in most cases to winnow down and eliminate the possibility of an all SEC final.
        It’s stupid.
        And do you realize how many TV commercials you will watch during a twelve game NCAA Football Tournament? Hint..it will be in the high one hundreds. I figure 150 per game minimum.

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      • Top 4 ranked conference champions get a bye in the Sankey group’s proposal. Even if Notre Dame were #1 or a conference runner-up were #4, they would have to play a first round play-in game (and would host that game).

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  6. CB

    Love the home game proposal. Would be okay with 8. Hate the idea of AQs (not that anyone cares what I think). My hot take is scrap the conference championship games altogether and let a BCS style system with inputs that everyone agrees on rank the teams. Of course everyone agreeing is the problem to begin with.

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    • I’m not a big fan of scrapping the conference championship games but understand those who do. It completely ruins the regional nature of the sport (of course, conference expansion/realignment has done that as well).

      While I’m not a fan of expansion (I would prefer it to stay with 4 and get rid of the committee), the 12-team format originally proposed makes sense as a real compromise. The Power 5 likely get a spot every year. The Group of 5 get a bone thrown their way. Notre Dame has a path without an advantage. The “wild cards” are going to be the teams that, while prove to be flawed, have a chance to go on a run.

      I have a feeling this is all about money. The other leagues know the shares will go to the SEC and Big 10 because they will be the conferences that will get multiple teams in. When all else fails, follow the money.

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      • CB

        Of course it’s about money. I’d be fine with 4 and scrapping the embarrassment that is the committee. If you go to 12 then you start seeing top teams rest players at the end of the regular season (just like the NFL). Wouldn’t be an epidemic, but it would happen especially in rivalry and conference championship games that would suddenly have even less meaning with a 12 team format. Does Alabama really need to bust their ass in OT to beat Auburn in the Iron Bowl if they only have one loss and are going to the playoff anyway? Hell no, get the best players out to keep them from getting injured.

        I don’t like conf championship games because they regularly give a mediocre team that won a bad division in a weak conference a one off shot to ruin the season of a deserving team, or at least get themselves a playoff bid. Imagine if Missouri or Florida managed to upset Bama in the years that they won the East over the last decade. It didn’t happen and rarely does, but why even risk it?

        Take this year, Georgia has already proven they’re the best team in the country over the course of 12 games. Let’s say they lose by one point to Bama. They’d still have a better resume than everyone else by a long shot except they wouldn’t have the arbitrary “conference champion” moniker. In my opinion they earned the conference championship in the 12 games they already played and don’t need an extra money grab game to prove anything. Why boil it all down to this one game?

        It’s kind of like when you’re playing games as a kid and your team is winning, but somebody’s mom shows up and says “next point wins.” One team has been dominant the whole time but suddenly the weaker team gets a mulligan to erase all the previous dominance. Doesn’t make sense to me.

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        • I totally agree with your last paragraph. That’s why I still think 2017 sucked. We proved on the field that we were the best team throughout the season in the SEC just to have to face Alabama who didn’t even win their division (of course, we did get a mulligan against Auburn). It’s the main reason I’m against expansion … I hate wild cards because they cheapen the regular season.

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          • CB

            I see that. Although if we didn’t have the SECCG in 2017 Bama and Georgia still probably both get in the playoff. Division winner is a little silly too if you think about it. Yes Auburn beat Bama at Jordan Hare, but they still had two losses and which is same number of conference losses as both Bama and Georgia. Plus an out of conf loss to Clemson. So the plainsmen were out regardless.

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            • Auburn was #2 in the rankings on the day of the SECCG. Win and they were in – 2 losses or not. In a division-less SEC without a championship game, they would have been the SEC champions.

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              • CB

                Yeah, but remember how the committee works. They strategically rank teams based on possible outcomes. In other words, the chances of Auburn jumping to #2 sans an SECCG would have been slim to none. That would have meant putting them in the playoff with the third best record in their own conference. They had two losses, Bama and Georgia only had one a piece.

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                • Yep. I understand that. They had no plan B.

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                • Tony BarnFart

                  I see everybody’s point on conference championships and largely agree, except that I think the SECCG has kinda worked out as a playoff game of it’s own when it’s not a repeat of a regular season game which, IMO, is when the SEC title game really shines. 2017 Auburn-Bama-Georgia round robin made it a little bit weird for sure.

                  Still, this year you have a 12-0 vs 11-1 WHO HAVE NOT PLAYED yet. A heavyweight in each division is what really makes the SECCG shine (most years). It would still be valuable in a 12 team playoff because UGA would be playing for a bye. Lose and we would have to host somebody like Michigan State next week. Yes, we have been dominant all year, but the saving grace for fairness is that we (1) haven’t played alabama and (2) only have 4 common opponents.

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                • CB

                  I’d rather find a way to not go to Atlanta and host Michigan State. Skipping Atlanta would be the de facto bye and you end up with an easier match up plus the biggest game in Sanford Stadium history.

                  I agree about the significance of the SECCG this year and in some years past. But a good portion of the time you end up with lopsided divisions and championship games with foregone conclusions. This year would definitely be the outlier on that front, but in most years those kind of games account for at least half of the CCGs.

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          • PTC DAWG

            I don’t see it as a mulligan..we UGA and AU both won divisions…they knew the rules going in.

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            • I was using CB’s language. Without the championship game, we would have been on the outside looking in. We got a 2nd chance and took advantage of it.

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            • CB

              Yeah, and rules dictated that losses to Clemson and LSU didn’t matter and that they could get a mulligan over a team with a better record. Being aware of the mulligan doesn’t make it not a mulligan.

              More egregiously you get teams like Mizzou winning back to back East titles who get a shot at the mulligan.

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        • PTC DAWG

          IF they go to 12, hell yeah, the bye is a big deal. One reason to rest no one at the end of the year…you have to stay in the top 4…

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          • CB

            Or….you take the L in the rivalry game then you don’t go to the SECCG to play a good team. Skipping the Atlanta trip becomes your de facto bye and then you take your chances playing somebody from a shittier conference in round 1 of the playoff. Hell if you’re ranked high enough before the rivalry loss you even get to host the game. Everyone wins.

            I’d never support Georgia throwing a game, but if their record somehow dictated they skip Atlanta and are rewarded with a home playoff game, I sign up for that 10/10 times as a fan, and so would any coach. It’s a threaded needle to be sure, but it’ll happen eventually, and the peasants will begin shrieking about how it’s not fair that their team had to go to the SECCG.

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            • Tony BarnFart

              I really only see this being an issue in the Iron Bowl. Even if the East title came down to a [new] mid-November date with Tennessee, I could never see us throwing a game with 2 still to play, even if those are a cupcake and Tech. The East may be inadvertently protected by traditionally being decided earlier and ACC opponents + UT-Vandy at the end.

              Weird scenario: If somehow Mizzou never moves away from the East, you have the off-chance of Mizzou-Arkansas playing two weeks in a row were they ever to be tops in their divisions. Snowballs chance in hell, but they’ve both been to Atlanta so never say never.

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        • PTC DAWG

          Re “boil it down to one game” comment..that’s what playoffs are about. In no way am I ready to proclaim UGA SEC Champs or National Champs…they haven’t earned it yet.

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          • CB

            Georgia literally has earned an SEC Championship. Even if they lose to Bama they’ll still be tied for the best record in the conference where they’ve played several common opponents who Bama squeaked by and Georgia dominated. Just because Sankey is sending both teams to play a game in Atlanta and tells us that it means something doesn’t make it functionally anything more than an arbitrary extra game.

            The playoff on the other hand is a different animal from my point of view. Yes, it’s single elimination, but generally these teams haven’t played each other or similar schedules throughout the season. Given that their bodies of work aren’t comparable, a playoff is the best avenue to hash out who the better team is imo.

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            • Tony BarnFart

              I’m at the “fuck that, I want to crush Bama to crush Bama” point in my life right now. Gotta beat the man to be the man. 15 and’ Oh—-the only way to go !

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              • Tony BarnFart

                Hell, let them in the playoff even if we beat them Saturday….and then we’ll beat them again. That’s the attitude I’m having. Break these bitches ! !

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              • CB

                Oh, I’m pumped for Saturday’s matchup and would be pissed if it got cancelled. But I’m also an idiot fan who doesn’t know what’s good for me so…

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        • At some point, all of the games are arbitrary.

          I mean, the very nature of playoff format is that all that matters is you’re good enough to get in, never that you were the best to begin with. If a 10-2 team wins three games and then the title, can we really say they’re better than the 14-1 team they beat? They certainly were on that one day.

          So in the end, you’re saying that the regular season really had no value other than to determine whether or not the team was one of the teams worthy of a shot in elimination season.

          Well, why can’t a team who happened to be in a tough division where good teams beat up on each other, then play its way in to that elimination round? Is a 9-3 team really that less deserving of a shot?

          6-6 Auburn and 6-6 LSU were each within a breath of upsetting 11-1 BAMA. Is that Bama team really so vastly superior as to command the persistent praise of the Playoff committee?

          In the end, if a 3-loss team gets in and upsets a previously undefeated squad in the championship game, to whom do you award the title? The one who only lost 1 game? Surely not, because the other team proved on the field that they were better. But were they actually? Their book of work certainly isn’t.

          It’s all just entertainment. Historically good teams have been defeated before. “They don’t deserve to be here” is usually the cry of a fan whose team has been upset by the “undeserving”… but if that team won, then clearly they did?

          You play to win the final game of the season. Do what ya gotta do to get to that game.

          I kinda wonder what the statistics are on end-of-year upsets by teams ranked 5-20 over teams ranked 1-4.

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          • I admit, Ben, everything you write here is the reason I never wanted expansion and the reason the BCS with its flaws worked. There is no perfect system unless there were a champions only format and that format would require such radical realignment that college football wouldn’t be recognizable.

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      • PTC DAWG

        Agree, SEC Championships mean something, at least they do to me. Earned on the field, no invites…

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  7. godawgs1701

    I’m with you, Senator. I hope for as many years of the four team format as we can get because when it expands, the regular season will be meaningless forever more. Even with the four team format, the national pundits seem to have already rendered the conference championship meaningless and that is a shame. Winning an SEC title is a big fucking deal and it’s the sort of thing you hold reunions for 20 years later. I will be very sad the day that is no longer significant.

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    • Tony BarnFart

      I really don’t think it will get diminished with Sankey’s proposed format. It would not take a lot for a loss in the SECCG or a “throwing” of the division to take you from ‘bye’ to road game in December at a Big10 school. I really think all the scenarios of “throw a late regular season game and assure yourself of (1) definitely skipping atlanta but still (2) definitely get a home game” are way too much of a gamble. In a 12 team format, any conceivable scenario where that’s possible is likely to come very late in the season vs a team that you would be giving the division to (i.e. head to head for the division). In that scenario, that team is ALSO LIKELY to be in the playoff mix as well, whether champion or at-large. They or the team they beat / upset in the title game that you contrived to “skip” is likely to push you down the pecking order even further.

      Frankly, as long as there is ever anything beyond the SECCG, it’s worth will only be measured by the reasonableness of the mind in the fan or journalist measuring it. That’s why most “reasonable” Georgia fans kind of roll their eyes at #1980 because we’re still very proud of our 3 SEC titles and 8 appearances in the last 19 years. I know I am.

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  8. On Campus Playoffs sound real good until UGA plays at Michigan or Notre Dame on December 18.

    No. Thank. You.

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  9. uga97

    No one wants to pay & travel to watch a #1 SEC team destroy a #8 Mountain West Champ Team who backed into their conf title game with two losses, and won because the starting QB for Nevada got hurt. No one wants these matchups. Until conferences get rid of divisions, 8 or 12 team CFP formats will allow for shitty 1st round boat race & further embarrassing losses & poor viewership. But the money does not care what we think. Good luck to these greedy jackasses.

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  10. 69Dawg

    I hate to interject my tin fold hat but…. Sankey’s like for the four team playoff is based on his thinking that the SEC can get 2 out of 4 into it. Well the only way that happens is if the voters, who are not from SEC conference in large numbers, vote a two loss SEC team in over 1 loss teams. I don’t think Alabama is in with two losses. So you ask how does Sankey know or feel strongly that the SEC will get two in to the CFP? Well long suffering UGA fans all know, in the back of their brains, that the refs are the SEC wild card. If the refs don’t manage to hose us with phantom PI’s or no calls on Bama for blatant fouls, I will be the most surprised UGA fan ever. I’ve watched it happen too much. So I’m just saying ” just because your paranoid doesn’t mean they aren’t out to get you”.

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