Bill Connelly ($$): “Or to put it another way, Georgia is still a really, really good football team.”
It’s just that it’s a really, really good football team with a quarterback issue in big games.
Georgia matched up well with Bama in plenty of ways but got drastically outplayed at quarterback, just as it had in games against Alabama and Florida in 2020 and LSU in 2019 (aka the Dawgs’ only losses in the 25 or so months before Saturday).
In these four losses, Georgia’s opponents completed 68% of their passes at 15.4 yards per completion with a 185.5 passer rating. Georgia’s quarterbacks in those games: 48% completion rate, 12.4 yards per completion, more interceptions than touchdowns and a ghastly 101.2 rating.
For most of the past three seasons, Georgia’s quarterback play has been between sufficient and awesome. But in big games against teams with the best offense in the country, UGA passers have been forced to open things up and have failed in doing so. Stetson Bennett’s performance on Saturday certainly wasn’t Georgia’s worst in this span of time — he was 29-for-48 for 340 yards, three TDs and two picks — but we were waiting all season to see what would happen if or when Georgia found itself in genuine need of points, and what we saw wasn’t reassuring.
Before Saturday, Bennett had been on the field for just one second-half drive in which the Dawgs weren’t winning by at least 14 points. He had six such drives against Alabama and threw two picks with two turnovers on downs and seven total points. Georgia scored twice on its first three drives of the afternoon, then scored only twice thereafter. Down 10-0 early, Bama put the game away with a 38-7 run.
No, there is no guarantee that JT Daniels is a savior. But…
Smart could stick with Bennett, convinced that the lessons learned from the Bama experience can help his team moving forward, and there’s a chance he’d be proven right. But while reinserting Daniels into the lineup might lower Georgia’s floor a hair, it would undoubtedly raise the Dawgs’ ceiling too.
That choice ain’t gonna make itself, Kirbs.
Stetson Bennett gets an amazing number of chances to learn these lessons from these games.
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It’s gonna be Stetson. Something has happened with JT, and it’s ride or die with Stetson.
Hell, put Vandagriff in. I think he’s got enough games left not to burn a redshirt.
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It has been mentioned by insiders that he can’t hit the broad side of a barn and has the yips. He is relegated to scout team currently.
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Daniels or Vandagriff?
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BVG.
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Yikes; that’s not good, especially since we’ve put a lot of eggs in that basket. Maybe Bobo can come to town and straighten him out. 😉
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I think he will be fine. He has the entire offseason to work it out and I’m sure these guys work with private coaches just like professional athletes do outside of their playing seasons.
If we can keep Monken another year that will also help him become more familiar with the playbook. There has been some positive chatter about him sticking around for next year but who knows what coaches do when schools starting waving crazy money around under their noses.
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My understanding is that Faulkner basically came around with Monken to learn the ropes and succeed him after this “rehab” (which isn’t the right word, but I’m sure he wanted to wash the taste of Freddie Kitchens out of his mouth).
I also really wonder about Mullen as an OC. I know Kirby values recruiting, but he’s got to start fully embracing scoring points, too. I’m sure we’ve got the athletes; we just need the philosophy. And I truly don’t think Bobo is the guy, and if Kirby hires him, we might need to start worrying.
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I’m a no on Mullen—it’s possible to have an OC who’s a great schemer AND recruiter, and I’m confident Kirby can find one should Monken ever receive an offer he can’t refuse. And as much as it pains me to say it, I’m a no on Bobo too. He’s as DG a D as there is—I was in school during his outstanding 1997 season, and we had some great years when he was OC—but he didn’t exactly cover himself in glory at Auburn this past year, seeming to regress back into that “balance for the sake of balance” mentality that drove us crazy years ago, rather than sticking with what was working. At the very least I hope he takes some time off before accepting his next coaching job. He hasn’t looked great this season and I doubt that the health problems that sidelined him a few years ago have completely gone away.
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Kirby did hire Chaney as an OC, and that dude is as bad at recruiting as Sideshow Dan.
And as far as Sideshow Dan is concerned, count me as a no.
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FTMF was created by Kirby for Dan and they both know it. He ain’t coming to Athens. Pass on Bobo too please.
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Kirby still doesn’t get it. If you can’t score 42 a game in your sleep against anyone then you don’t have a prayer. Since 2016 great offenses have broken great defenses time and time again. Clemson and Deshaun Watson proved this. LSU and Bama took it a step further in 2019 – if you can’t throw the ball down field when the other team is rushing 3 and dropping 8 in coverage then you don’t matter. Monken has run the ball more than he’s thrown it 3 times in his coaching career – 2 of those times were 2020 and 2021. Kirby has him handcuffed just like he’s had every other OC handcuffed. Every time we play Bama the game is over before it starts, because Bama will force us to throw the ball at least 40 times, and we’re not prepared for it. Passing the ball 11 times against Arkansas does nothing to prepare us to beat Alabama. I’m just hoping we’re not the first team to let a G5 team win the national title. I’d rather lose to Michigan in the first round.
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Alabama is going to beat Cincinnati to an absolute pulp.
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I don’t think that’s true. The Alabama team that showed up through most of its games might very well lose to this Cincinnati team. The matchup is not bad for UC, who is excellent in pass defense and has its own competent QB.
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That Alabama team is gone. It died during the Auburn game.
It’s still quite beatable, but I heard a stat on the Dan Patrick show yesterday – Bama has 77 ESPN 300 players and Cincinatti has… 2. One of which transferred from Alabama because he couldn’t get on the field.
Cincy will make enough plays to earn some respect, but no team is going to overcome that amount of talent differential. While Saban’s clearly struggled to reach everyone on his roster this season, I think they’re all on the same page over there now.
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Maybe so.
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Yeah, Cincinnati couldn’t even beat us last year, and the Bearcats were better in 2020 than they were in 2021.
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Agreed
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Ahmad Gardner is a legit first round corner, and they have a Butkus Award finalist at linebacker. You saw the impact Patrick McCreary had on Bama’s passing offense in the Auburn game, and Cincy will be in a similar situation that Auburn was with Metchie out (Williams was out for most of the Auburn game because of a dumbass targeting penalty). I’m not calling for a Cincy win, but their D is better positioned to defend Bama than we are.
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Cincinnati hasn’t played a team since January that has the talent stacked across the board like Bama has. That team in January beat them (albeit, at the end) in spite of opt-outs and guys heading for the portal.
Will Anderson will feast on the Bearcats offensive line just as Azeez did.
If Bama’s offensive line plays like they did on Saturday, Bryce Young will light up that defense like he did ours. Cincinnati has no one that can stay with Jameson Williams.
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And yet, that game in January clearly showed they don’t belong on the same field, right? You people who are so certain about these things really get me.
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I didn’t say they didn’t belong on the same field. I don’t think this is a good match-up for Cincinnati (I think Michigan would have been a lot better match-up for them). I think Bama will be able to exploit their talent advantage. Do you really think Saban with 3+ weeks to prepare won’t have his team locked in and ready?
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Do a 180 on the matchups and you might show some evidence of understanding who Cincy is, man.
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They’re a team that sometimes struggled physically against some G5s with losing records. Pushed around. Won via better team speed. An advantage they will not have against Bama at all.
Notre Dame was decidedly average this year. Their Cincy and Wisconsin games were mostly about turnovers. Came out on the right end against Wisconsin, wrong end against Cincinnati.
I’m not saying they don’t deserve their spot, and I’m not saying they won’t make some plays.
But the cumulative talent difference is the talent difference. No way around it.
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ND was “decidedly average” and almost got in the CFP over us. LOL. Yall’s assessments of other programs are comedy gold, Jerry.
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Show me a ND game result that says “playoff team.” Hell, show me one that says “top 10.” Show me one that even says, “clearly top 20.” Beating 6-6 UNC 44-34? 6-6 Virginia 28-3? 4-8 USC 31-16? 7-5 Toledo 32-29? 3-9 Stanford 45-14? 3-8 Navy 34-6? Etc.
For all the belly-aching about the committee this season, they got a total pass on the one ranking that was the most wtf?! on a week to week basis: Notre Dame. Zero argument for a top 10 ranking, much less playoff consideration. They played 4 FBS teams with a winning record, one of them 7-5 Toledo: went 3-1. Rest of their schedule was cumulatively 21 games below .500.
Yes, they beat Wisconsin, a team that out-gained them by 76 yards, courtesy of 5 turnovers. Game was 10-10 entering the 4th. Basically ND stumbled into some insane turnover luck for one quarter, and then rode that one result all season.
No way are they Top 5. The 7 teams behind them would drill them.
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Cincy will look better than we did against Bama, but they’ll have the benefit of not having to face Metchie
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…and perhaps the added benefit of not getting all of Alabama’s attention.
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If this is true, Jimmies and Joes don’t matter.
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Keep in mind that looking better than Georgia did against Alabama is a pretty low bar
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Looks like you listened to Brooks Austin last night like I did. His YouTube breakdown encapsulated exactly what I have been thinking all year. I had hope Kirby had found the secret defensive sauce too make me wrong but alas apparently it was just regular old mayo.
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It clearly would not have been good enough against the great QBs of the last few years, yeah. The fact Young might be the only one of those around might just be enough for Alabama to win it.
Just no substitute for having a great QB. Maybe one day KS will learn what the rest of the world already knows.
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I honestly think he knows this, but finding transcendent QBs (not just 5 stars) is much harder than most people assume. Kirby has gotten close to matching Saban on the recruiting trail all except in this crucial position.
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There’s a reason for that: shit like playing Fromm over Fields and doing what he’s doing now with JT is the reason. QBs are going to go where they think they’re going to be prepared for the next level and be everything they think they can be. Kirby’s growing rep is just going to make it harder to get that one missing piece.
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I thought Fromm was a 5 star recruit?
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Originally committed to Alabama, Kirby flipped him when he left Alabama. Which created the open spot for… Tua.
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4 stars
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http://www.espn.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/player/_/id/199383/jake-fromm
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Busted
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Do you have a link to that ?
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You must have watched the latest Brooks video. I did and agree with his assessment
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Continuing to play stetson would be the definition of insanity.
You don’t know what you’re getting if you start JT but you KNOW you’re losing if you get into shootout with Stetson. He’s proven it time and again. If stetson was a stock he’d be high downside with a very limited and defined upside.
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Not sure that JT is a better option than Stetson at this point. We needed to play JT or Beck earlier to get ready against all those other teams we beat with running + 5ish explosive passes. Even if we insert a new QB it is not evident this team has practiced the throw it 40 times a game offensive strategy necessary to beat Bama.
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Beck will never play at UGA in any meaningful way.
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He or BVG will hit the portal in January
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Methinks Beck is for all intents and purposes already in the portal.
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I don think JT can/will play. There is a reason (would love to know what it is) Kirby is not playing him. He had no issue playing him in place of Bennet last year. Something is going on that is preventing him from playing.
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Word out of Athens is he’s soft and the team didn’t respond to him when he could have sucked it up and played hurt. Stetson is our guy and what we need to do is beat Michigan, who is built very similar to UGA.
IF we get Bama again, run the rock and burn the clock!! Our DB’s can’t keep up with their elite receivers for damn sure!
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That explains why he missed the Clemson game… oh, wait.
The way some of y’all love to grasp unsubstantiated gossip like this amuses the shit out of me.
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I had heard that form some pretty dialed in people and was a bit surprised frankly. He always seemed pretty tough in games to me.
But, a lat injury can take 90 days to heal which is an eternity in season.
Maybe after Saturday, we can all forgive and forget!
Play JT I say.
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You’re very knowledgeable about football, Bluto. You might be underestimating the psychological aspects of the hard young men playing the game. They respect someone who pays their dues and have little patience for weakness. But what the fuck do I know?
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I heard that same thing. Not on a message board either. True?? No clue.
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There are juicier rumors about JT floating around than that one.
Believe what you like.
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This has never made sense to me given available information.
He wanted to play after being immediately cleared last year, but Kirby kept him benched for… Stetson Bennett.
He played hurt in the Clemson game, which is why he couldn’t stretch the field and then he was benched by Kirby for… Stetson Bennett.
It seems to me that JT Daniels has been desperate to play for two seasons but Kirby Smart wants … Stetson Bennet.
I don’t get it.
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The bruthas ain’t down with the down low. That’s one point where they diverge from white liberals. Not something I’d speculate.
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Is that the rumor? JT is a closet bottom?
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C’mon man.
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FOH with this noise.
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The team would get over it if he could lead them to championships . . . I can’t imagine Kirby benched him because of discerning some vague “team didn’t support him injured” vibe.
I don’t think it is much more complicated than they liked his scrambling when Guards were playing poorly and Salyer was in/out and now they’ve decided ship has sailed because they didn’t get JT much playing time.
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Stetson’s scrambling.
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Stubborn Kirbs is going to stick with Bennett because continuity. That’s his M.O. Regardless of the fact that Bennett has shit the collective bed 2 times against bammer when he has needed to step up. He isn’t the QB that can take the team on his shoulders and win in a shootout. We needed that Saturday because the defense shat it’s bed to a very good QB. Can JT be that guy? I hope so. Probably won’t get to know because of stubbornness…
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Bennet led a couple of scoring drives early, and one to tie it before the half. I know we’re frustrated with him and he’s not an “elite” QB who can carry the team, but the defense gave up five scoring drives in a row. They get a stop when we’re up 10-0 and moving the ball well, it may be a different game.
This one isn’t on Monken and Stetson anymore than it’s on Kirby and Lanning. This was a team loss with the scales weighed heavily toward the defense.
I mean, Saban used the template for beating us that teams used to beat him early on: spread the field and pick apart the defense. Remember the 2004 LSU game when David Greene carved him up? Or the other times he’s lost at Alabama? He basically took a kryptonite shard he found in himself, fashioned it into a shiv, and hit his clone with it.
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Against Bama you have to game plan around giving up 35. They’ve proved this time and time again.
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I agree the defense had a rough night, but they only gave up 34 points. We need to be prepared to score 30-40 points in the playoffs.
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Sadly, I think they could have scored more had they needed to. But as long as we were down by 14+, they were in “let’s just not risk a pick-6” mode. Plus I do think they adjusted offense a bit without Metchie.
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I have thought about the 2004 LSU game…..I think this one was a lot like the [Miles coached] SECCG of 2005. We were the underdog and just came in throwing bombs and lit their asses up…….many of Sabans players still on that team.
The only problem with the 04′ analogy, to my memory, is that (Kirby Smart) had Corey Webster and Travis Daniels playing man coverage. I actually think press-man under with a safety on top is how you beat alabama. You have to obliterate their rhythm. We got smoked because we played a soft zone with no pass rush. Next time, we need cross dogs and stunts out the ass and press man.
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I’m going to agree with others here to say that Kirby has basically made his bed. Stetson is going to be the quarterback in the Orange Bowl, so we might as well all get used to the idea. And there’s a good chance he’s more than capable of piloting the offense to a win, so it’s not like all hope is lost. That provided, of course, the defense is prepared and plays to its potential.
I suppose Kirby and Monken could decide to give JT all the first team reps starting now – but given what you know about the way Kirby goes about these things from the way he’s handled it before, if you think that’s going to happen then I’ve got a bridge in Arizona, etc etc. Still, stranger things have happened.
I’m trying to worry about 2022 when it’s time to stop thinking about 2021, but I can’t help but break my brain thinking about how Kirby is going to bork up the QB position next year with Stet still here, Beck gone, and 3×5 star QBs in the room.
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Oh, we’re going to play Kirby bully-ball against Michigan and look great doing it. Bennett will throw the ball 19 times for 230 yards and we’ll win comfortably… and everyone will think all is well. But it won’t be. What works against Michigan is not what will work against Bama.
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This is the worry… The kid has two shots at Bama and the score was the same 41-24. It was closer in the 2nd one, with two drives being stopped on their 20 – but I think we have a large enough sample size to know what your going to get with Stetson. He’s a damn good Dawg – just not good enough to beat Alabama and there is no shame in that.
The worse thing that happens if you start JTD is that you lose again – and you never know; he just might be the difference… And if he is the difference – then you have next year’s starting QB situation worked out. If he isn’t – you have next year’s starting QB situation worked out. At least you “know” that Daniels was or wasn’t the right decision. Right now – we do not; which feels very similar to the Fromm/Fields situation.
Just do not see how that change isn’t made.
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I get the sense that there’s something else going on with JT other than ability, and that he’ll never play another down at Georgia. Something like he’s already told the staff that he’s declaring next year or entering the transfer portal and isn’t interested in playing. He’s also probably pretty pissed for losing his starting job because of injury.
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The biggest difference between Fromm/Fields and Bennett/Daniels (IMO) is that Daniels is a known, proven quantity that has started and won games at UGA – Fields never got that chance. This is what makes the situation so frustrating for me.
As competitive as Kirby is, there HAS to be something else going on here – he’s not one to stomp on his own dick just to spite the complainers.
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I have to agree with the two comments below – Folks here keep saying it will be Stetson because JT didn’t get any reps down the stretch… JT has plenty of time to get game ready with a month of practice. The dude has never lost a game for UGA, including a game against one of the other 4 playoff teams this year. Something else is happening.
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The whole UGA team is not capable of beating Bama.
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We’re no Texas A&M are we?
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Apparently, no
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We should be 8-4 and playing in the Gator Bowl.
Or worse.
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And I agree that we’re stuck with Bennett. What I wish we would have done more on Saturday was have Bennett run the ball more when his first read wasn’t open. If we had gotten some success there it could have softened up the coverage and gotten some more 1 on 1’s.
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boy things sure flipped in the comments.
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Not me bro… I’m going to support whatever the coaching staff decides; but have felt like Daniels has always been the better QB. One thing about a loss; it truly can be a wake up call. Not only to players, but to coaches.
Will be interesting to see how much has been learned.
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What happened to the guy who said Bennett was an NFL QB?
The only thing that surprises me is that people are surprised.
We spent too much time assuming that our defense couldn’t give up a big number and that even if they did Bennett was as good as any other option to keep up.
Moving forward Kirby has to decide:
Can we keep the opposition under 30? If so, you don’t have to make a change at qb. If either or both can reasonably hit 40, its quite literally insane to think Stet is your qb who can win such a game.
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He could go into a Bama rematch with the plan to play Bennett until he is forced to score a ton. If the defense is winning the day then he sticks with Bennett.
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That should have been the plan in the first place but clearly wasn’t so why assume he’ll change?
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Kick the completion % in Saturday’s game up to 70%: that’s a net of 5 completions at an average of 12 yards per. Probably 7-10 more points.
Drop the pick 6.
Throw 6 at Young at few more times.
Different ballgame. And it’s pretty easy for a head coach to see that path and prefer that path to changing out the engine in the car.
The offense was definitely efficient enough. The lack of explosiveness in the running game was more an issue than lack of explosiveness in the passing game. Which is really more the question to me – would Daniels’ deeper arm change the math relative to run fits?
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Yeah you can win with Stet throwing 48 times! He just has to hit more of them. Hell, you notch down Zeus’s ypc and take his attempts way up and he’s suddenly he’s fucking Herschel!
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I’m just pointing out how Kirby talks himself into tinkering with the aerodynamics and tires rather than putting in a new engine.
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We can play Stet if we can get them off the field. If we can’t get them off the field we can’t keep up with Stet. Its that simple.
Fromm never won a game where he threw 31 attempt or more. The idea that Stetson can do it is insane. These are guys whose pitch counts have to be LOW. Which means the running game and defense are working. If your defense is getting run, making the run game moot, you need a guy who can push the ball down the field, period. That ain’t Stet.
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I tend to agree. But maybe it’s nobody on this roster right now? JT had serious downfield issues last season. He hasn’t looked stellar at any point this season. He was downright bad against Clemson, which we forgave because of all the injuries.
I tend to agree with the “have to roll the dice on more upside” side of things, but it takes a lot of assumptions – and ignoring some evidence on Daniels – to move that into “obviously better” territory.
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That could be, but I know which guy has the ability to throw it down the field and which guy doesn’t.
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Stetson’s throws on those deep outs, dropping it in the bucket over a guy’s head between the defending corner and the sideline are the best throws I’ve seen a Georgia QB make since Murray was under center.
No question, he has real limitations. None of us are imagining those.
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So basically, if the entire game plays out differently, there may be a different outcome. Got it 😉
Just messing with ya!
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But that’s the point, isn’t it? 😉
I can totally see how Kirby-the-engineer thinks he could open this up a little, torque that a bit, put a bit more grip on the tires… which doesn’t mean I agree with it.
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I buy into the zero-sum game of football……i.e. it all flows together. In other words, generically speaking it’s more likely your ‘D’ is going to surrender whatever your magic number is when your offense is getting stymied. And not from just a time on the field standpoint, I think it’s mental and part of the momentum. When one team’s QB and offense is getting owned, the other teams offensive coordinator generally starts playing looser and looking for the knockout blow.
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Looking back, JT’s 5 starts will go down as the weirdest moment for this program in a long time. So much scrutiny and anticipation.
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Shhhh. Don’t tell Kirby, he ain’t buying that crap.
And yes, the defense shit the bed too – there are things to fix in both places.
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I’m not sure the D shit the bed as much as they were instructed to go sleep in a shitty bed. We decided we were good enough to play D like we had all year and had the talent to make Bama bend to our will. We didn’t have to play D like the teams that had the most success against Young and Bama this year, most recently AU.
Wrong answer.
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Yeah, the result is the same though – you need a shower when you get out the bed.
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Each loss we’ve had since the national championship game (other than SCar) is because we’ve absolutely gotten torched on D, with the other team’s receivers running wide open down the field for big gains – LSU and Bama ’18, LSU ’19, Bama and Florida ’20, and Saturday as well….
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The common thread among all our losses since 2nd & 26 is that when we had to throw the ball 40 times to win a game we couldn’t do.
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If Kirby benches his teacher’s pet and starts Daniels against Michigan, it will be about the most shocked I’ve ever been in any aspect of Georgia football.
There is nothing I would like to see more. If you’re going to lose a football game, it’s better to do so with your best players on the field because you can live with that. If we lose again with Mr. Try-Hard at QB, the “what if” of it all will eat at our minds and hearts and souls forever.
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I’m not being snarky or argumentative here. Seriously. This is an analytical question, not a fight start.
How does Bennet’s passer rating of 176 (4th nationally) and 10.1 per attempt (2nd nationally) leave a ton of cash on the table in the passing game?
109 yards rushing against Alabama, 3.6 per attempt. Versus 340 and 7.1.
Daniels does have almost 100 attempts this season – much lower passer rating (155), lower yards per attempt (7.7), same pick percentage, lower TD percentage.
Maybe Bennet’s just the better QB?
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When you only throw the ball 15-19 times a game in situations where the throw you make has a high percentage of succeeding (like in play action) you are going to inflate your statistics.
Bennett is not a better QB than Daniels. His performance in high leverage situations, like on 3rd down or when behind more than one score, conclusively proves this.
If you can’t understand that, I have nothing for you.
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Conclusively? Are you sure?
Daniels was awful against Clemson. High leverage downs?
3rd and 3: 4 yard completion to MR-J
3rd and 8: 1 yard completion to KM
3rd and 6: 3 yard completion to JC
3rd and 7: DPI to Bowers
3rd and 7: 12 yard completion to Bowers
3rd and 13: 8 yard completion to JB
3rd and 8: interception 9 yards downfield
3rd and 6: 9 yard completion to KM
3rd and goal (5): incomplete, Bowers
3rd and 4: sacked -8
3rd and 4: pass complete for -3 yards JC
11 3rd down passing situations.
4 moved chains, 1 by penalty
7 completions, 26 net yards, 0 TDs, 1 pick.
Daniels has faced 1 elite defense. And he was genuinely bad all the way through the stat line. Sure, there were some mitigating factors, injuries being the most prominent.
But it’s not self-evident JT’s some slingin’ stud on 3rd downs against top-notch competition. It’s literally a “I’d like to imagine” scenario. Not totally without some supporting evidence, to be sure.
None of that changes who Stetson is or his own performance against playoff-level defenses.
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You’re picking one game out of the first five games Daniels played and ignoring the two good defenses he played well against last year. Mississippi State and Cincy to make your argument seem rational. If that’s not cherry-picking, I don’t know what is.
Tell me you honestly believe Stetson Bennett could’ve beaten MSU and Cincy last year. There is now way Bennett wins either of those games given everything we know about him from advanced metrics to the dreaded eye test. He cannot win those games. He hasn’t. Ever. Daniels has.
Bennett is not the better QB. He hands off 40 times a game and throws 19. He is the definition of a front-runner who can’t bring you back from a deficit. It’s not just the eye test, it’s the truth backed up by the breadth of statistics and the ultimate results.
I actually agree with you in some of this. I’ve said it before: We don’t know that Daniels can beat Bama, but with all the evidence gathered it is clear he provides us the best chance to beat Bama. Starting Bennett is giving up before the game begins.
Matt Hinton made a great point yesterday on SDS: Saban has created an offense that can win any kind of game, while Kirby has created an offense that can only win one kind of game.
That’s why I say things like:
Kirby never learns.
Kirby is stubborn.
Kirby won’t change.
It’s because: He hasn’t, he is, and he’s had ample opportunity to do so and as of yet refuses.
Even his decision to hire Monken, whom I like, is still a pro-style guy. Jeff Lebby was out there. Kendall Briles was out there. Why not hire them? Unlike Saban, Kirby as to this point refuses to leave his comfort zone, which is “play not to lose” offensive football.
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The Clemson game is both the most recent data set and the best defense JT’s faced here.
I talk the MSU and Cincy games below.
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Another point I forgot to mention:
Daniels was already hurt before the Clemson game, so his results in that game (not being able to throw downfield) are skewed because of injury. You have to account for that, and I don’t believe you are doing so.
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I am, actually. I think losing a starting guard early with Murphy and Breese lurking, along with Venables doing Venables things, had more to do with JT’s decision-making than the injury – or maybe a better way to put that: those 3 issues fed off each other. But I’ve said numerous times the injury situation on offense in that game was a disaster, and JT’s injury was certainly a part of that assessment.
Btw, I went back and looked. We were 3 of 14 on 3rd downs against Cincinnati. JT’s high leverage downs that game? 3-8 on 3rd, 7 yards, 0 first downs. 8 attempts, no chains moved. JT did have that sweet 4th and 9 hook-up with Pickens for 20.
So, if we combine Cincinnati and Clemson, JT on 3rd down looks like this:
10-19, 33 yards, 4 first downs (!) (one by penalty), 0 TDs, 1 pick.
That’s objectively awful. And honestly, this is the first time I’ve really put 2+2 together on that front. Thank you.
Not being snarky with that. And this doesn’t “prove” you wrong or me right. It’s just an angle I hadn’t considered before, which is why I like coming here to talk football.
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That’s a fair point, and yet, JT Daniels’s overall numbers on 3rd down are still better than Stetson Bennett, so what does that say?
You can split hairs about what and who they’re both playing, but if Bennett is still bad against bad teams, doesn’t that make Daniels better and at the very least, more likely to be better against a team like Bama?
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Good points ^^ – the challenge to me is that no one really knows how JT would do against Alabama. We have the results from Bennett. I think many, myself included, were looking forward to having an offense like…. Alabama’s…. not just more of the same. I think JT gives us the best shot at having that type of the offense, Bennett is just more of the same.
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We badly want JT to be the guy who can level up the offense. But maybe that “want” colors the way we see him.
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^ definitely a possibility.
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Absolutely! Jt might be an abject disaster, especially with virtually no playing time all season. It seems what most believe, me included, is we know what will happen with Bennett. If we can’t control the other team’s offense, we lose.
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I feel like Daniels’ stats have been hurt by the fact that he’s been sidelined for so much of the season. When you spend a whole month nursing an injury, and return to the field only in sporadic situations, it’s hard to get into enough of a rhythm to put up big numbers even if you’re a five-star talent.
I don’t think it’s crazy to contend that Daniels’ ceiling is higher than SB4’s, and I suspect his floor is too. That said, I can’t act like I have any idea what to do in this situation, given that Stetson has so much of an edge in actual on-field experience this year. I just hope that if Stetson starts to wilt against Michigan (or Alabama), Kirby won’t keep him in out of fear of change. JT proved twice last year (against MSSt and Cincinnati) that he can carry the whole team on his back if circumstances get dire, and that’s something SB4 really hasn’t ever demonstrated.
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He was certainly lights out against MSU, who went all-in to stop the run game.
He had his moments against Cincinnati, but he also turned 14 points into 3 with 3 bad throws.
We assumed all summer he got better and leveled up – and then Clemson happened. He struggled, although the injury situation was a disaster. And we haven’t seen much of him since. And when we have, we haven’t seen anything demonstrably superior to Stetson?
I dunno.
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Correct. JT’s performance against Cincy was pretty much indistinguishable from Stet’s performance on Saturday.
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I keep waiting for this take from you. Hadn’t seen it before.
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My emotions and thoughts have been all over the place since this loss.
I’m not wondering if it is entirely possible if SB4 was indeed our best option. Maybe JT’s problems were more profound than we know about, and beyond just the injury? Who knows.
It still all falls in Kirby’s lap: It is his responsibility to recruit and put on the field an elite QB capable of scoring 40+ against elite teams. That’s what you need to win a title these days.
So regardless of the SB4 vs. JT debate, ultimately the loss still falls on Kirby and the fact we consistently don’t have the QB or offensive firepower to win a shootout against a top team when our defense is figured out or can’t dominate.
My actual realistic predictions:
1) We destroy Michigan. We match up extremely well against a team like that. It will look like the rest of our season.
2) Alabama: Who the hell knows. We probably lose again. We still don’t have an elite QB and history shows you don’t beat Saban in a big game without an elite QB (Trevor Lawrence, Deshaun Watson, Joe Burrow, JT Barrett, etc).
But it isn’t impossible that Alabama had to show everything to win the SEC championship game and given a month to plan our defense figures it out. It is possible our defense shows up and keeps them under 20. In that case, SB4 probably doesn’t go into panic mode and throw a bunch of picks.
I think the real question is why can’t Kirby get an elite QB and an elite offense, not which of two less than amazing QB choices does he go with.
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Your feelings on a potential rematch with Bama are the same as mine. Contrary to what we saw on Saturday, it IS possible to stifle this Bama offense — LSU and Auburn both did it within the past month. This isn’t last year Bama’s team or LSU from 2019 where if you didn’t put up 45+ points you had no realistic shot of beating them. The blueprint for shutting down Bama’s offense this year has been written; for some reason, we didn’t follow it on Saturday.
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Should Kirby have started Bennet? Yes. Should he have tried JT in our first 2nd half possession now down 14? Probably. This was/is a “generational” defense. It’s supposed to be able to stop a one dimensional spread passing attack. It failed because Young was too good and their receivers too fast. Our staff must have known this but didn’t adjust until too late.
If you think then or now you just whisper in JT’s ear to go score 40 and trot him out there against the Bama defense, more power to you. Didn’t work for Kiffen. Holding Bama to under 20 worked for LSU and Auburn in the moral victory column. TAMU won a shootout with a backup…think that Saban would let that happen again?
If we get a rematch, you don’t let them score in the final 2 minutes of the half with relative ease and you sure as hell don’t let them march down the field to score again to open the 2nd half once you’ve had a chance to make adjustments. Even if JT could have kept up down 2 TDs, all I saw was a D ready to let 2nd & 26 happen again but YMMV.
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Great post, FPD.
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It is a great post!
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But you also have a couple of examples of Saban’s willingness to pull a starting QB and put in the backup “to get a spark” i.e. Hurts/Tua and Tua/Hurts. It doesn’t feel like Kirby is doing everything to win in these games. IMO, Kirby has ripped every page from the Alabama playbook, except the ones where you are allowed to build your offense around a young uber-talented, 5-start QB and let them play (warts and all) and get better and the one where you yank a starting QB and put in a backup for a “spark”. Saban DGAF, just win; Kirby just isn’t there yet.
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Hurts did not come in because Tua was pulled. He came in because Tua got hurt on the same play that Walker got hurt and Brenton Cox had to come in.
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And the Tua-for-Hurts thing had some context that people tend to forget. They’d just lost to Auburn. Almost lost to Miss St, both mainly because the passing game was sputtering so badly.
And that’s why you saw the defensive team leader get in Jalen’s face early in the championship. Not in an encouraging way. More a “get your shit together” way.
Doubt we see that dynamic with Stetson.
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Also, this was the offense’s turn to show up for the team – the defense won the opener against Clemson (IMO).
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I don’t understand why JT didn’t come in after the pick-6. Yeah, Stet led a TD drive, but the game was effectively over and JT hasn’t taken an even quasi-meaningful snap in ages.
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I have the same question. The game for all intents and purposes was over at that point. it would have been the perfect time to see if JT could be more effective against the Bama defense with virtually no downside. For that reason I don’t believe JT will ever see the field again in a red uniform.
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Kirby has now experienced the Mike Tyson Principle.
He’ll either come up with a new plan or swallow that blood in his mouth and drive on.
If the best indicator of future behavior is past behavior, we’re going to see more of the same.
And we all saw that Charley Foxtrot of a plan.
As for Stetson, he has his strengths and weaknesses.
Apparently, so do the rest of the QBs and their downside must be worse than his are. This is what so many just can’t comprehend. It’s a failure on the coaches. They should have had someone ready to go with all the blow outs where experience was available at little cost in the fourth quarters.
If SB is going to be the QB then two things need to happen (IMHO).
1. The offensive line must be able to run block better. Georgia cannot be one dimensional and expect to win. (the swing passes to Cook were mostly good).
2. The defensive scheme must fit the opposition’s strengths. It’s as if Lanning dared the Heisman winning QB to beat him with his rifle of an arm of all things.
Saban is smart. He thought Georgia would copy Auburn’s scheme (which would have been attacking Young’s Achille’s heel… intense pressure. Sabs had Young taking a very quick and deep set on passes to buy time. He knew his ship had come in as Georgia’s defensive scheme unfolded. Sheesh, it was horrible. Zero sacks vs Auburn’s seven. It was amazing in its ridiculousness.
Fix the running game (and I hate to say it but Zamir is too slow getting to the hole)…and put some intense pressure on Young (IF things work out and they actually get to face Bama in January).
Whatever CKS does, I hope it works and I do acknowledge that he knows more about football than does my ugly old ass. We all give our two cents worth on blogs and that’s what it’s worth..two cents (or less).
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Great post! I believe it was our first scoring drive when we were running it down Bama’s throat and the OL was yelling to Kirby to let them go HUNH and keep running. So we paused and passed and I think Stetson might have even been sacked. Point being…the players were ready, the coaching staff wasn’t.
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I realize the backup is the favorite but I’ve never seen anything from JT that tells me he wouldn’t throw 2 INTs against Bama. I don’t see him as a cure all. The QB situation and secondary are what they are.
The Kirby squanders QBs narrative is alive and well but Justin Fields shit the bed against Bama while at OSU, too. Imo, if Kirby has a QB issue it seems to be more in recruiting or developing and less on picking the right starter.
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Regardless of whether SBIV remains the starter, if we play bama again Monken needs to really get creative. I mean like a RB throwing the ball to SBIV, using the wild dawg, etc. We’ll need to play like our hair’s on fire.
Problem is, SBIV is slower with decisions, slower reacting, the passes aren’t fast or crisp, and he doesn’t have the arm for long, accurate throws. But hey, Philly beat Brady using Nick Foles. You just gotta pull out all the stops.
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If we’re “creative “enough we can score 70 with Stet.
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Trick plays are normally for the desperate and they don’t usually work. But I’ve often thought that it would be fun to see Stetson and JT in the backfield at the same time with Cook or KM. Who gets the snap? What if JT is throwing it deep?
All kinds of things to do with that.
If nothing else, the first time it’s shown the D will have to burn a TO.
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Man that 97 yard drive of ours gave me so much hope. I don’t think Monken was the problem at all. We were driving the ball fairly consistently. Turnovers and our inexplicable defensive performance doomed us.
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For anyone complaining about what a pit of misery these comments have become I’d recommend staying the hell off Twitter.
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Good call, CD.
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No one has mentioned that we try to spread the ball to 9 receivers and they carve us up with 3? Let Pickens run like Jameson and see what happens. Let Burton run like Metchie instead of forcing AD out there (a true freshman btw). Line up Brock and Cook at the slot and the X.
Also, from what I read, we didn’t just trot out new personnel on D, we tried calling a defensive game plan different from what worked all year and then stuck with it too long. When we started sending more than 4, we looked like we were back in the game.
We also did the one thing we haven’t done since last year’s Bama game – we let them dictate the game flow, and get us out of our rhythm. Shortening the game and pounding the rock while your defense shores up was the answer Saturday just as it was last October in Tuscaloosa, but we decided to let our game manager QB throw us back into the game!
JTD –>Pickens, Ladd and Bowers is the answer, whether we like it or not. (So is getting McIntosh 15-20 touches and playing Cook as a slot WR but that’s a whole nother convo we ain’t ready to have.
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I’ve been thinking that too. We may need to get our A receivers some more time. There’s a reason the Bama kid who saved them against Auburn was making only his 3rd catch of year.
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Mainly agree, but would quibble with this: we tried calling a defensive game plan different from what worked all year and then stuck with it too long
Kirby didn’t change the D against Bama. His base defense all year has been pressure with 4, soft zone behind it, with enough “mixing it up” on rushes and coverage to keep offenses off balance. The complaint is that Kirby didn’t change what the D’s done all year and do more of what LSU and Auburn did?
That’s the way I saw that game.
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I think the front 4 played a lot more contain and spy than I’d seen at all this season. Somehow keeping Young from running was more important than making him hurry. We did a lot of stunts too without sending Nakobe or anyone else through the huge gaps that were created until late in the 3rd…when it worked. Danielson claimed Bama was keeping Davis on the field and he was getting tired…Bullshit! Saw him numerous times just standing upright and pawing his double team. They weren’t moving him and he was tying them up…yet no one came through the gap. I was screaming at the TV early and often…who IS this Defense and where is ours?!
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This guy obviously wasn’t watching the game this past Saturday. AL controlled the LOS most of the game on both sides of the ball. AL receivers were mostly running wide open while UGA’s were mostly blanketed. Reverse those two things and the score reverses as well. It is really pretty simple.
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So…Hows that Meechegan running game??
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I’d really like to know a little bit about Michigan. That upper mid-west might as well be Upper Mongolia. I haven’t watched them play..have little idea of what their strengths and weaknesses are or what expect.
(I hope everyone will say..”No sweat, they’re not good at all, we’ll kill them, bet the farm…etc”
But I’m not counting on it. They’re probably very physical and well coached.
I’m sure we’ll see some match-up stuff in coming days and weeks.
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A holiday QB shitshow heading into the CFP. Just where we need to be. I give up on guessing what the he’ll is going on.
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I’d give up a decent portion of my 401k for a season where there’s no QB drama. I suppose the closest we got in the Kirby era was 2019, but the drama there was Fromm’s Coley-induced regression and Fields leaving.
We’ve paid our dues. Give us one goddamn season with an undisputed starter and no injuries. We don’t ask for much.
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Let’s get our heads out of our asses and worry about Michigan. I am as disappointed as anyone but we are in the fucking playoffs. What in your history of being a Georgia fan made you think that this season would unfold with no drama with no pain? Did we foresee the defense getting shredded? No. Did we foresee the “worse” Bama team per its recent performance looking like the best Bama team in Saban’s term there? No.
Now take that “Free JT” sign off your helmet and come together for the big win(s)?
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I’ve been trying to digest WTF happened Saturday – it started as soon as I tried to go to sleep. After a few fitful nights I have it figured out.
Kirby has this team humbled – humiliated – angry – focused and hungry. Mich has no idea what we will do after that shellacking by Bama all part of the Kirby plan. Kirby has also put some food for thought in Bama’s head. He is playing mind games with our next opponent and hopefully the next opponent in the biggest game.
Now we know what Bama will do and how to stop it. We also know what we showed Mich. Relax fellow fans – Kirby is on the mother.
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Spur, surely you don’t think Kirby staged the loss as a strategy?!?!?! And don’t call me Shirley!!!!!!!
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No Shirley – but I didn’t see the same response after this loss in comparison to other losses. My point is no need to slit your throat – we have what we have.
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Question for our studio audience…Would you rather start JT or have two shut-down DBs?
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Easy, 2 shut down DB’s.
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It’s a no brainer. I truly do not get it.
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No one does. Well, no one but the guy who keeps making the poor decision.
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You say that without any real knowledge of what is going on day to day that influences those “poor” decisions.
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This is one of those times with Kirby. That going forward with Bennett at this point is so indefensible, that it leads me to believe that something is preventing JT from ever playing here again, and the’re just not talking about it.
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The answer is to search Peachcourt and Odyssey for any pending cases involving the Daniels family and UGA Athletics and/or Kirby Smart. That must be what it is.
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According to one of the Talking Heads on ESPNU, Ch84, Sirius, JT has already “checked out.” That he will be in the portal as soon as the season’s over. Sounds plausible, if not downright logical, to me.
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A riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma. We won’t know what’s happening until it happens and we won’t know why it happened until we die.
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I look forward to UGA vs Michigan and then UGA vs Bama. Damn glad to be in the playoffs and not in some dire situation where I’d be compelled to administer summary justice to some of the boys.
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