When is an amateur not an amateur?

When it comes to the transfer portal, silly.

The transfer portal is a contentious issue among those in the coaching ranks. Several have publicly described it as college football’s version of free agency. West Virginia coach Neal Brown, a member of the AFCA board of trustees, tells SI the portal should include closed and open periods, similar to professional leagues.

Berry has suggested the portal be open for a few weeks after the regular season, close again and then reopen for a few more weeks after spring practice is complete.

“It’s free agency. Admit it and identify what it is,” Brown says. “Just like in a professional model, there is a time period for free agency. There are windows for free agency.”

Junior is even more direct about it.

“I don’t think people really say it this way, but let’s not make a mistake: We have free agency in college football,” Kiffin said. “The kids a lot of times go to where they’re going to get paid the most. No one else is saying that, maybe. But the kids say ‘This is what I’m getting here from NIL.’ “

Just Like Coaches!  Clap, clap!  Clap, clap, clap!

The point here isn’t the hypocrisy — shit, that’s approaching shooting fish in a barrel levels these days.  It’s that these guys aren’t even bothering any more to pretend there’s some sort of holy amateurism protocol to defend.  Collectively, they’re going to be Exhibit A in discovery for the next antitrust lawsuit against the NCAA.

That’s what happens when control freaks lose control.

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16 responses to “When is an amateur not an amateur?

  1. Down Island Way

    Recruiting and coaching and booster events and practice and being on game day…it’s so hard for Joey…

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  2. Gaskilldawg

    I am still waiting for Dabo to make good on his promise to quit and go coach high school.

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  3. Hogbody Spradlin

    The Kiffin Kancer. He’s such a model of integrity.

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  4. Derek

    If nli value all about the kid’s value alone then why would his nli value determined by WHERE he is playing?

    I thought I was told that the nli fight was about the justice and fairness in a kid getting what HE was worth in the advertising market. When I said well that’s fucking BULLSHIT and it will never actually work out that way, maybe, just maybe, I was on to something.

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    • Spell Dawg

      I don’t see the delineation you are trying to make.
      Better players sign with better schools. Better schools offer better NIL opportunities. I see the status quo here; things are working exactly as they’ve always worked. Maybe pity the poor bag men that are no longer needed, but what else isn’t working as we all expected?
      Did anybody think the best player at Arkansas State would out-earn the star player at [insert any P5 school]?

      The free transfer change is much more devastating that the introduction of NIL rights.

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      • Derek

        Nli was sold on the idea that it was unfair for a school to say:

        “While we’re paying for your education, training you for the pros, giving you a forum to show off your skills to future employers, please don’t money off of the university’s value, a brand that we have building since before your grandfather was a glimmer in his father’s eye.”

        The main counterpoint was that the players nli value had NOTHING to do with the school anyway. The advertiser isn’t paying the kid for any value that could be attributed to his school but rather ALL of the value was the kid’s alone.

        That was bullshit then and bullshit now.

        Whether or not it bothers or offends you to have a kid get $ for saying “hi I’m the starting qb for the university of alabama and I eat Taco Bell, roll tide” my point is simply that we were told:

        1) that wouldn’t happen. Kids would make money on THIER name alone.
        2) the schools never had good reason to restrict this sort of earning.

        It was all bullshit. Whether you can or can’t defend where we are or where we’re going, the fact is that the bases upon which the argument was made to abandon amateurism for nli $ was bullshit.

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        • gurkhadawg

          Agree. I see no reason it won’t become a free for all, with boosters at every significant P5 school trying to out bid each other in NIL offers. Wait til Texas and USC start outbidding UGA for recruits. Of course this is America and who am I to begrudge someone getting it while they can.

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          • Derek

            And I’m not going to tell you a “let them be professionals in college” is an impossible to justify position. At least its a target that we can debate. My frustration with the actual debate had was how much avoidance and denial of reality was involved.

            If you want high school kids to get an agent a sign a contract with a college, fine. Just say so.

            My personal position has and remains that the amateurism model with a healthy across the board stipend was a healthier and more sustainable model.

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        • Spell Dawg

          Honestly, maybe I wasn’t paying enough attention, but I never heard that as the main counterpoint. The two main arguments I heard continually were:
          A) it’s not fair that schools, coaches, & NCAA solely get (increasingly) rich
          B) in a free-market economy, collusion such as this is antithetical

          What you are saying was the main counterpoint offered (name has nothing to do with the school) is the NCAA’s losing position in reverse. Either side of that particular argument is an obvious loser. I just never heard anyone representing the player’s side countering the NCAA with that particular point.

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          • Derek

            You weren’t paying enough attention.

            Inasmuch as there was an argument: “colleges too much money, players not enough money, make fair, don’t ask questions, it’ll be ok, trust us”, yes, that was an argument. One I found less than convincing mainly because it didn’t want to address any of the unintended consequences that “make fair” tends to run into.

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            • Spell Dawg

              Laner’s comments aside (that guy will talk out of whatever hole is currently open on his body), I haven’t heard of a single recruit transferring for NIL gains. Playing-time, better exposure to the NFL, better program (fit), etc.,…it is as it always has been. Can anyone point to someone who left for NIL gains and NOT one of those three reasons??

              It’s the change in transfer policy that’s created the Wild, Wild West, not NIL money. Jermaine Johnson didn’t leave us for a sweeter NIL deal. The moment someone transfers to a shittier program for a bigger NIL deal, I’ll reconsider my perception.

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              • gurkhadawg

                Well, from age 16 till 22 I spent my summers busting up concrete with a jackhammer among other hot, miserable, but well paying jobs. Many of my friends stocked shelves at the A&P where they stayed nice and cool, but made a lot less money. I don’t think I’m the only person in the world who is willing to endure a little misery for more money.

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                • Spell Dawg

                  Any kid likely being lured by NIL money is thinking more about NFL money. Playing-time and exposure is what they want, NIL money is just a bonus.

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        • Lighten up, Francis.

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    • NotMyCrossToBear

      Now that’s a pretty good question. Imma hang up and listen.

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