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Get The Picture · Bloviation for the Dawgnation
Get The Picture 
I have questions:
Was Kirby standing there with a gun to his head?
Did it look like a hostage video?
Is Todd Monken stubborn?
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So now that your working theory of “JT must be hurt” has been laid to rest, how are you approaching this decision?
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Either something we don’t know is going on with JT or our coaches are blind and stupid.
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time to shock the world
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I think they did that 2 months ago with the decision to stick to Bennett. 😉
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What do they know that I don’t know about JTB? They have forgotten more about this sport than most of us know.
With that said, I think Georgia can beat Michigan with either QB. We have two results against Alabama with Stetson starting – with Georgia losing each game by 17.
If Georgia gets to that game, maybe they will think JTB gives Georgia the best chance to win?
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They picked JT to play Clemson. Something has happened since and it ain’t that Stet is a better qb. Its something else. Injury? Mental health? Off field issues? It is that unspoken thing that tells them Stet gives us the best chance. Whatever that something else is, I wish it would resolve.
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I’ve been “all in” on Stetson’s “mobility” being a huge asset, and possibly what gives him the nod over JTD…. but after the Bama loss I’m not so sure.
Still, if Kirbs and Monken still think so, who am I to argue?
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I suppose JT doesn’t see the wide open receivers when things “break down” either. If neither can throw the ball to the open man, I guess you have to go with the one who is better at running for his life — exactly what you want in a modern offense…
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People say the damnedest things…GO DAWGS!
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Do they really value Stet’s 7 carries for 11 yards in the SECCG that much?
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I’ll say it again — the Stetson question doesn’t boil down to Stetson himself, but to whether the defense can keep the offense from having to chase the other team. If they can, Stetson is fine. If not…
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I’m tired of relying on a formula that requires the defense to carry the QB. That’s Kirby’s persistent mistake.
The QB should be great. The defense should be great. Those aren’t mutually exclusive objectives. Neither should have to carry the other for an entire season like the defense has done for Stet.
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Unless it works. 😉
Kirby’s made the CFP field twice in the last five years playing like that and coached for a natty. How do you think he’d have done if Saban wasn’t coaching ‘Bama?
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Bigger trophy cases would have been needed.
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I’m not saying it can’t work. It’s just a low percentage strategy–especially when compared to the strategy that builds the offense around a dynamic QB. Do you want to be the 90s Braves or do you want to get multiple titles? If you’re happy counting SEC East titles and collecting postseason appearance t-shirts then more power to ya. I’d prefer to give ourselves a better shot at taking home the big trophy. Maybe we’ll get our glorious 1995 one year, but we’ll have wasted some enormously talented rosters with the play-not-to-lose QB strategy. Heck, we’ve already done that several times.
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It is low percentage, and requires basically the same elements of a triple option team. You must move the ball, win time of possession holding the ball not just most of the game but 3-4 minutes each time limiting possession,. win field position, win turnover margin.
I don’t have confidence that Stetson wouldn’t have given away the Clemson game. When it has been close turning into quagmire, he has forced throws for INTs. The D bailed the team out in the WLOCP, but UF isn’t a playoff team.
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I have more confidence in Smart winning the east, beating Florida, getting 10-11 wins than CMR but I have less that he can win the playoff which is near zero until I see the passing game improve and be used for 4 quarters.
I don’t regret firing Richt but I post this because CMR put more focus on the passing game and had a better chance of the Vince Young / Joe Burrow season where he had the DC in the middle to end of his stay in Athens. Smart would have Burrow handing the ball off and the WRs blocking. Smart is a dated philosophy, Richt required the stars aligning to make up for gaps in the roster. Hopefully, I am wrong about Smart.
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How do you think he’d have done if Saban wasn’t coaching ‘Bama?
I honestly don’t know. The correct fan answer is we’d have some championships. The honest answer is we would have played Clemson & or tosu with great quarterbacking & wide open offenses. My gut tells me those games would end much like the Bama games. We still have an average qb playing on a great team while they have great qb’s playing on great teams. It’s enough to get us in the dance, but the prettiest girl looking at someone else.
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Like ’17 Oklahoma, you mean? 😉
I love the assumption that we fans aren’t honest. Perhaps your gut is getting more credit from you than it deserves.
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With all due respect, what you may or may not be tired of is not a factor in the decision. Nobody gives a flying Filipino about your opinion, preferences or druthers and, frankly, pretending you have any inkling of what it takes to win a football game at this level is delusional and tiresome to read.
As my daddy would say, “take yer bitchin, in the kitchen with the other hens”.
GO DAWGS
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My Dawg!
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Noted. I will restrict all of my future posts about Georgia Football to, “Go Dawgs!”
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Thats the answer to: is there a path to a natty with Stet?
And I agree the answer is “yes.” Albeit a narrow one.
The more challenging questions are:
are both qbs equally available?
do the coaches really think the best qb on the roster is Stet?
IF the answer to both of those is “yes”, and I sincerely doubt it, they are nuts. I think both answers are “no.” Something is up with JT and they, like I, wish JT was what he was a year ago. For some reason we don’t get to know, he ain’t.
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The thing that so many people (not you) miss, is exactly in what both Kirby and Todd say – Stetson gives the team the best chance to win. They’ve never said he is the better of the quarterbacks. He gives them the best chance to win. His mobility is a huge factor, and I don’t mean just on designed runs or on broken play scrambles…his ability to move around, create a new pocket and new throwing lanes – those are things most don’t see. They don’t see it because it’s often not as apparent on the Broadcast view, and also that while he’s good at it, it hasn’t been a “trademark” of our offense as it has for say, Bo Nix.
So many people regurgitate the stupid take that Kirby has been forcing Bennett on Monken, when it appears more likely that the opposite is true… that Kirby forced JT on him. Monken likes a mobile qb who extends plays and makes plays with his feet. He started Mathis last season, with Stet as a backup. Beck was hardly considered. Stet got hurt, and faltered, and was replaced. Kirby likely had a bit of bias against him.
But, when his hand was forced by JT getting hurt, he didn’t go to the guy listed as #2 on the roster. Monken likely pushed for Stetson… and eventually, Kirby came around…or is simply willing to trust Monken.
Monken didn’t leave for LSU. He isn’t (apparently) looking for any escape from the tyranny of Kirby. He brought Stetson back to Georgia. He brought Brock. He brought Gunner. Kirby is all about high-talent, high-ceiling players… the 4 and 5 star guys. It would make more sense that JT would be his dude as opposed to Stetson… but Monken’s style in QB is more Bennett.
There are things that Stet brings to the game that make the decision very understandable, but most folks would rather complain than actually look for those explanations by people with the experience/understanding to produce them. But they’re out on the web.
Anyway, long hijack of your comment… but I thought it was a point worth exploring.
Go Dawgs
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I still say that all things being equal, an immobile JT is the far superior qb. The idea that you’d play baker mayfield over tom brady because baker is more mobile is a bit insane, isn’t it?
Mobile is great but job 1 is accuracy.
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Derek – I can’t reply to your comment for some reason (hey Senator… this happens with fair regularity… do you know why this is?). But I’ll say this –
In the analogy you’re making, I think Stet is far closer to being Baker than JT is to being Tom.
But, despite your personal view on the two, I think Monken is telling you that Daniels’ apparent accuracy (mostly 3rd down differential) does not tip the scales. There are other liabilities, apparently, that he sees on game tape and in practice that still keep him 2nd on the depth chart.
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WP limits a direct thread to ten responses total.
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Ben,
There’s something else going on. Has to he. Why did JT get the start at Clemson? Why was Bennett 3rd? Did you see anything in JT’s performances that led you to think JT was playing his way out of the job before he was hurt? In the vandy game when they played stet a lot, JT was by far the better qb.
There is no fucking way anybody can convince me that any person with any football aptitude would say Stet is the better player.
If every other school could raid our roster, Stet might be the last scholarship qb taken.
Since Stet will never come close to playing a down of nfl football and Baker was the no. 1 pick and heisman winner, in what way are they close?
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I didn’t say they are “close”… I said Stetson is closer to Baker than JT is to Brady.
Brady is a HoF QB. Baker has overachieved his talent level.
JT will not be a HoF QB. Stetson has overachieved his talent level.
As I said, it is more likely that JT starting the season was Kirby’s call, while holding a bias against Stetson. He’s owned up to undervaluing Stetson in the past.
It’s a dead argument, so I won’t rehash it.. I’m simply pointing out that so many people want to assign the choice to Kirby, when it looks to me to possibly be the opposite.
Neither you nor I actually analyze the full-22 look with the full understanding of what is SUPPOSED to be happening… we can only work off the results of plays we see on Broadcast… but that creates its own bias. I trust the guys who are making the proper analysis.
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Ben,
I know I’m no expert, but JT throws dimes! If I had any criticism it would be that he occasionally holds the ball too long.
How much better is the Stet they saw in 2020 then the one they see now? They traded him in for JT. Stayed with JT all the way through JT getting injured. I just can’t believe they went through the spring and summer and up until the injury and then a light bulb went off and at the very moment JT gets hurt they say: “stets our best qb! How’d we miss it?l Its lucky break that JT got injured otherwise we wouldn’t have noticed we’re stupid.”
Something is going on. I’m not going to believe that they think Stet is the better player nor can I have any respect for the idea that they had it wrong vs. Clemson and now got it right.
Something is going on with JT, period.
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I do not completely agree with you on this one. Chasing the other team is not the only scenario. We could also be in a very low scoring, tight game like we were with Clemson, and in that pressure cooker Stetson is not fine.
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In a game like that, they wouldn’t be asking Bennett to throw the ball 30+ times.
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Against Florida – 19 attempts — 10 completions and 2 interceptions
Against Alabama – 48 attempts — 29 completions and 2 interceptions
There you have it. SBIV is still capable of hurting this team when he isn’t asked to throw it 30+ times in a game. All we need is a big stage and simulated pressure at the LOS and he’s good for a couple of interceptions regardless. Those aren’t even “game manager” numbers.
Surprisingly, SBIV was statistically better in the SECCG than he was against Florida. He didn’t play well enough to help the team out in either game. In fact, he was part of the problem in both games, which is not what you look for in a QB, obviously.
He had a whopping 35 rushing yards in the Florida game though, so that completely offsets the two interceptions and 50% completion rate.
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But he has a chance in the low scoring game. Stet has a much better chance at not fucking up a close game with a lead than putting us on his back for a come back.
If I had a choice between stet getting the ball at our 25 with 1:30 on the clock and no time outs down five OR
Having the ball in stet’s hands up 2 with 4:30 to play at our 25, I know which I’d take.
Hell, I actually think he might pull the second one off.
The first? No chance in hell vs. a defense with a pulse.
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Piss
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That’s a nice way of saying SB is not a good QB. JTD once was. Question is what happened to change that.
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I’m putting this down to “coach speak.”
If he says “Stet should have been named our game one starter” I’d notice.
Then I’d question Todd’s sanity.
This is all about not telling us the truth about JT and pumping sunshine up Stet’s ass, because after his last outing, he needs it.
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Russ, I’m with you, Dude. There is definitely something amiss with JT. Word out of Athens is that he’s outta here after the season’s done. Bad
Attitude, arguing with coaches. Like it or not, that’s my observation based on the info I have available.
Rotten veggie shower begins in 10,9,8…
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Didn’t Monken also say to SBIV that he “would never be a starter at UGA” or close to that??
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Worst offensive game of the was vs Clemson too…
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Over/under on comments to this thread is 150.5. Place your bets everyone.
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Buckle up. I was really trying to wait until mid-afternoon to start drinking today too ugh.
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Over..
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I’ll take the under. I think most everyone is tired of arguing about it and only the most ardent, hard headed folks are still willing to argue about it.
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You appear correct..good call.
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If we can’t beat Michigan with SBIV, we can’t beat Alabama with anyone.
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How half the Georgia fan base hears that: “We have a great team, and Stetson’s played great this year when the team didn’t brain-fart and force him to put the team on his back.”
How the other half hears that: ” Watch us win the natty with one arm tied behind our back!”
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Channeling his inner Loretta Swit:
“I’m gonna make this the Best Christmas Pageant Ever! And I’m gonna do it with the Herdmans!”
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Was he blinking out morse code with his eyes?
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SEC Shorts nailing us again… gotta laugh to keep from crying. Hope is a bitch, but I can’t quit her–even if we aren’t on speaking terms right now.
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When you wake up in the morning and ditch Hope, then ditch Hope at lunch and dinner, it just might be that Hope is ditching you Georgia fan.
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Where’s the lie?
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It’s amazing how he says the same things about Bennett in the same way that Kirby says them.
Stetson Bennett is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I’ve ever known in my life.
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In that case there must be a Dr. Yen Lo out there making them say these things!
I know that you know who our Dr. Yen Lo is.
Please let us all know.
With certainty…
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Looking forward to reading the comments regarding these statements from, oh I don’t know, the person who watches these two quarterbacks more than anyone else on earth, and seeing how many Georgia fans think this is direct proof the coaches are missing something.
Looking forward to Stetson leading us to the national championship.
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Lol. Dude has Stockholm Syndrome.
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I believe that we will receive the company line from everyone involved, and I do not believe the company line is telling the full truth for one minute.
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What’s with all this plain talk? Who is this man and has he ever met Kirby Smart?
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Hoo boy…here come the conspiracy theories. Kirby is ( ) thus forcing Monken to lie. That eliminates the truth so a new “truth” can take place fueled by rumor and innuendo. Call it the social media doctrine.
Kirby is being influenced by Muschamp to get Jackson moved up the QB depth chart so he’s down-grading JTD to eliminate competition. My fraternity brother who has a kid who plays online games with the cousin of one of the players says it’s true.
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Hop a reporter would put up JTs total completion %, 3rd down completion % and W/L record next to Stetson’s on a poster & ask Tood & Kirby again why Bennett gives us the better chance to win?
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Offense with Stetson was 12 – 41 on 3rd downs against Alabama (x2) and 2020 UF.
Offense with JT was 8-26 against Clemson and Cincinnati. Only 2 of those were via JT’s arm, btw. Both short passes, nothing explosive.
Not sure those stat differences are as compelling as you think they are when you put them on paper.
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Cool, now compare their INT’s in those games.
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Cool, now compare how the defense played in those games and left the offense in “serious catch up” mode.
yards per play by the opponent:
4.77
3.00
7.66
7.42
JT’s errant long balls directly cost Georgia 11 points against Cincinnati. He didn’t compensate for that with 3rd down efficiency. He threw an awful pick at the goal line.
I’m just saying people tend to color their memories of JT’s time under center. It’s not nearly as obvious a contrast as some would pretend.
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Organisms that do not adapt or move, die out or go extinct in the region where the major environmental change has happened. The philosophy works until it doesn’t. We are hoping against nature.
But at least she’s still here, hunker down Dawgs, lets get a Won Friday and worry about the next game after that.
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It just dawned upon my feeble mind that the problem with the Death Star metaphor is that it’s an OFFENSE-FIRST weapon.
What Kirbs builds is defense-first… so it’s more like…
The Iron Dome. We have the Iron Dome of the East.
Not quite as catchy. Womp womp.
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I’ll take the Death Star in a head-to-head against the Iron Dome all day 😉
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Death Stars win championships
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Isn’t Luke taking on the Death Star?
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I’ll say it again. Pre-Tua & post Tua. If we are up 2 TDs early in the 4th Quarter, should we trust Bennett to be in the game? You don’t build a championship team only based on the D With passing rules giving you the advantages why not exploit them with JT. Forget legs.
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Monken/Smart: SB gives us the best chance to win.
“Expert” Georgia fans: JT is better.
Jfc. Between Fromm/Fields and SB/JTD, I’m about over Georgia fans. I see people rag on fans of other programs but the fans of other programs are child’s play.
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Yep, I have to agree with you. Some really idiotic “fans” out there, wishing Stetson would get hurt or get COVID, sick shit really.
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I can’t wait for the book on the 2021 QB story to be written. Maybe even more than the book on the 2015 season. Monken seems to be trying a little too hard to sell Stetson, but I believe them when the coaches say he gives the team the best chance to win. And the reason is because something is not right with JT. I don’t know what it is and the staff obviously isn’t going to be transparent about it. Most likely to protect him. Here’s what we do know. A physically and mentally healthy JT won the QB job at the end of last season, in the spring, and the preseason. He’s not the same guy now and the staff has to roll with what they have.
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No one should base a starting QB decision based on what their own Defense does. Ever.
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Screw it. Hay’s in the barn and time to play ball. Take care of Michigan on Friday.
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Pretty much this
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GO YOU SILVER BRITCHES
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Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition…
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It must be impossible to quantify “best chance to win”.
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