The response to the Devin Willock tragedy has been pretty much universal sadness — even, to their credit, at Stingtalk. With one exception, because it always seems like there’s at least one of those people inhabiting any message board/comment section.
Again, it’s to their credit that this tool was immediately called out for his post. The point here isn’t to hammer on Stingtalk or Tech fans in general, for that matter. It’s to feed into a larger point that’s the subject of this post at Eleven Warriors.
In a world I perceive to be growing in toxicity and polarizing behavior by the day, it’s certainly aided by the largely anonymous protection registering and posting on message boards, tweeting etc. provide. It’s not a new phenomenon that people say things online that they’d likely not have the balls to say to someone face to face.
But against the backdrop of public discourse eroding regardless of topic or venue, the fact is there really aren’t many stated ground rules for how fans should interact or talk about players and coaches across channels. Combined with the noted option of anonymity and not having to stand toe to toe with the target of criticism, a fan’s evolution to fanatic, fringe lunatic, someone that takes the games way too seriously and can’t control their emotion or maybe was raised by wolves can bring out the worst in them. In all of us, really.
And with that, we all end up having our own version of what the rules of engagement are, which in and of itself can fuel angry disagreements over not even the topic at hand but how the topic is being discussed.
Ultimately, I suppose this is more my problem than yours, but I’ve received enough emails over the years about how the behavior of certain posters affects the ability of folks to enjoy the site to know it’s not mine exclusively. And I’ve changed my approach to moderating comments here from a laissez faire, almost anything goes, approach to a recognition that for some people, obnoxious expression is more a matter of behavior than it is of pure speech, and setting boundaries in the comments to clamp down on that.
Honestly, that’s turned out to be fairly easy to deal with and it’s been a success. It’s been some time since I’ve had to boot somebody from commenting and I really haven’t had to issue many warnings about crossing a line here lately. But if politics and personal attacks on other commenters are relatively low hanging fruit, what about personal attacks on players and coaches, or spreading harmful unsubstantiated rumors about them? Back to the 11W post:
None of this means it’s wrong for a fan or a columnist or anyone in between to lodge a complaint, snarky or not, about an Ohio State player, coach or team on the internet. Certainly a beat writer shouldn’t do this – it’s really their job to report the news – but for others writing for an outlet or the fans, honestly discussing the perceived strengths, weaknesses, successes and failures – individual or otherwise – are part of what makes sports fun and interesting.
At a school like Ohio State, the players and coaches need to accept some level of bad with the good, right? Passionate fans spend money. The passion indirectly and directly helps pay for stadiums, amenities and athletic facilities. It drives television ratings, creates the very need for NIL deals to entice players to come to or stay in Columbus. Players at Podunk U. don’t have to deal with any level of criticism but that’s because nobody cares. One of the reasons players and coaches come to Ohio State is because fans care. A lot.
It’s not to say those realities give fans a license to cross the line in tweeting at players or coaches, which they really shouldn’t do anyway but saying negative things about them on message boards or Twitter on some level is part of the territory, right?
But what is crossing the line?
Good question. It’s easy to see that Stingtalk post as an example of too much, but where does, say, a decade of Reggie Ball mockery fit in? I’d like to think his on-field production (or lack thereof) is fair game for snark, without taking him on personally, and hopefully that’s something I’ve managed correctly. What about speculating about the reason(s) why a player or coach may not be performing at a level we expect and letting that speculation negatively wander into the realm of behavior that no one outside of the subject or someone very close to them could know? Does doing so out of a sense of fan’s passion excuse it?
Take it back one step further. Obviously, criticizing a Georgia player’s on-field performance isn’t beyond the limit. Hell, I usually do it in every Observations post (hint: not in the next one!). But even there, isn’t it possible to cross a line, say, by repeating the same opinion ad nauseam across numerous comment threads?
Obviously, some of this navel gazing is prompted by Stetson Bennett and yesterday’s post about what went down at the national championship celebration. Just as obviously, it’s not like I’m trying to lay blame on myself or any of y’all for Stetson’s attitude. But I wonder if I should be more aware of the line than I am sometimes. Genuinely curious what y’all think.
Very thoughtful post. That is why this blog is the best – you care about larger issues, and not merely clicks.
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Stars from a guy who’s claim to fame is calling the opposing team and fans MF’s.
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But he does it in such a loving manner.
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He ain’t wrong.😁
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Did RR say it first or did Kirby?
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I never called anyone an MF. I always call the gators and others who I feel deserve it “motherfuckers”. If you have a real problem with that? Hell I’ll stop. I wouldn’t want to offend anyone. Damn sure wasn’t a word I was raised to use and not something of which polite society approves. But I spent my adult life with men who aren’t easily offended by the small shit. As my boy SGD1 says Kirby said it first on here.
Also this is a star ⭐️.
This is a simulated boom 💥 as in BOOM MOTHERFUCKER!!!
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Senator, you generally stay far enough away from the line that I rarely think you have anything to worry about. There have been commenters (including myself) that have stepped over the line occasionally. The only time I really felt it got bad was in November and December 2015.
One of the few times I can say something positive about StingTalk. It’s too bad they couldn’t have had the same level of class when Coach Dooley or Larry Munson passed.
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I rarely see pure vitriol and hate here towards players (of any team) in the comments like I do at Stingtalk. I think your moderation tactics are fair and I have no issue with it.
However, if we weren’t allowed to speculate for certain things, it would make for some pretty boring forum/comments.
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FullMetalBuzz said:
An Athens car wreck at 2:45 AM Sunday morning leads me to guess drugs or alcohol was involved.
Two young people are dead and you can’t help but start speculating about their character and decision making because of the school they’re associated with.
I hope I misunderstood what he was trying to say, but I think not.
What ass would say something like this?
Their character and the school they are associated with..
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You do a good job of moderating. This is one of the few places on the internet that has reimagined civil and civilized. As a woman at times commenters can be misogynistic about women sports reporters and announcers but generally most behave and post like responsible adults.
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Remained not reimagined.
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Both work and I’m embarrassed by the misogyny at times but I’m sure I offend in other ways so I don’t call it out. The lines between criticism, snark and inappropriate comments are often close.
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Yeah, honestly I don’t understand why stuff like that is allowed to pass without any moderation. It’s a real thing that crops up any time the Senator posts about Nicole Auerbach or Andrea Adelson or whomever. Real nasty stuff, too.
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Fair point. We need to do better on that front.
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Has anyone from here called out Auerbach just because she is a female. I’ll be honest, I can’t stand the woman but not because she is female. Give me Alyssa Lang or Molly McGrath or Holly Rowe or Maria Taylor (I miss her on Saturdays!) on the sidelines or on XM radio over Auerbach any day of the week!
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Not even a week ago someone questioned if Nicole had a grudge against the Dawgs because an UGA student “felt her up in college.”
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They say she need to get back to the kitchen, make them a sandwich or iron their shirt. You can dislike her pov but those comments are misogynistic.
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Ah I didn’t see those
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I haven’t seen that on here either. But it made me rethink my misogynistic ways too—-apologies to Stacy Searles.
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They’ve been here, but it’s tongue in cheek.
As already mentioned..these are fine lines interpreted differently by different people.
I doubt if those jokes (and they’re jokes) really bother her.
Choosing to be a sports journalist and having thin skin would be akin to choosing to go in the Navy and expect to not hear obscenities.
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Stacy’s mom has got it going on.
Y’all need to get a thicker skin or put more wood on the fire. It’s a cold world. There are things that really hurt and I was taught since first grade that words ain’t one of ‘em.
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Sadly Ranger, that philosophy is not tolerated in today’s world.
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Sorry, I started that. It wasn’t meant by me to be misogynistic. I found the way in particular Ms. Auerbach ran down SBIV and the people who voted for him in the Heisman to be tasteless.
There are a lot of excellent women sports broadcasters … 2 examples are Holly Rowe and Laura Rutledge. They speak with a knowledge of the sport and generally are objective.
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Others have seemed to have an axe to grind or an agenda to push – Ms. Adelson and Ms. Dinich come to mind. Guys like Kanell and Bianchi have the same problem. Even someone like Andy Staples has an agenda around a topic like playoff expansion where everything looks a nail and if you differ with him, he pretty much calls you a flat earther.
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You were not the first person to do it. It is a subconscious thing. She deserves the disdain but telling a woman to go back to the kitchen is insulting to women in general. Your comments are not usually misogynistic but once someone posts one it seems like others pile on. I would add Maria Taylor to your list of women sportscasters who are excellent. I agree the Heather Dinch is a homer journalist.
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I love Maria – DGD. I don’t watch the NFL, so I don’t see her much anymore.
I always loved Tracy Wolfson with Uncle Verne and Gary. I miss her on the sidelines of SEC football.
I will not do it again, Ms. Debby. Feel free to call me out if I do!
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She was great until she let politics get involved. I haven’t liked her since then.
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Which one are you referring to?
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@ant1123
Marie Taylor in 2020. She turned me off fairly rapidly. I haven’t watched her since. I used to really enjoy her commentary.
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I have never heard of her being in politics. She seems to do UGA proud so unless she did something awful I like her.
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Ms Debby, I am guilty of the sandwich statement. I apologize if I offended you or anyone but I mean it 100% as a joke. We joke like that at work (men and women alike). If you met my wife you’d know I’m not serious. We at work are all late 50s to early 60s and all of us take our work seriously but act like high school sophomores.
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Amen, Debby.
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I had just graduated and on my first job. I came in on a Monday after a game complaining about Coach Dooley and x, y, z play or players. My boss, maybe four years older than I, just sat, listened, and said nothing until I finished my rant. Then he said, calmly but with force, just be glad you wert around during the previous coach’s years, truly, the low point in Bulldog football. It shut me up and I have tried to keep that in mind since.
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Unless you’re willing to give up your career and make a full time vocation of supervising sophomoric cleverness and gratuitous ad hominems, you’re gonna get some out of line comments.
I don’t think you cross the line. You love wearing an argument out (I think I know where that comes from ;-)). And you get your free shots at politicians of a certain stripe who say football related things (not that they don’t deserve it, but politicians of all stripes do).
Compare yourself to some of the Stingtalk, Swamp247, and Message Board Genius material. You’re not bad. You keep this place more civil by setting the tone.
It took me a few years posting on social media to learn that I don’t change anybody’s mind, that there are very few original wisecracks, and to try not to say anything I wouldn’t say to anybody’s face, so I don’t think my Dreck smells better. I just learned a little by experience.
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I believe this blog rides the line quite nicely, that’s one of the reasons why I make it a daily read. I’m not a big fan of extreme takes in any direction, so I typically won’t read those types of sites.
RE Stetson, I think that he has certainly earned the right to push back, especially to the media. NIL does make it a bit tricky to justify being snarky to fans. His NIL value (likely high 6 figures, possibly 7) is driven by those same fans. I’m sure they have some expectation of “access”, particularly when the checks start getting cashed. Poor college students playing for the university can lean into the “leave me alone, I’m just a kid” narrative, but when they are getting paid, I think the story (and expectations) change.
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Senator, I have never thought you crossed the line. I draw my personal line at mocking injury, death, mental health, addiction, etc. I don’t berate our own players for poor performance and lack of production either (coaches are fair game). For example, I don’t consider a Mookie Williams comment as mocking injury, I view it as a shot at Alabama excuses. I will also make fun of Brenton Cox’s lack of effort. If an opposing player talks a big game ant gets embarrassed, they deserve some ridicule. I do cuss like a sailor, but if anyone has a problem with that they can kiss my ass. Go Dawgs!
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Senator- thank you for a thoughtful post that’s courageous enough to question inwardly.
I too don’t know exactly where the line is, but we would all do well to pause and consider whether we are close more often. And to recognize that our comments and actions are not done in a vacuum.
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GTP to me is akin to sitting around the fire at night waiting on the pig to cook for the family reunion tomorrow. We all know there’s something important coming up but we have time to kill while prepping for it. Lot of shit gets talked, friendly banter, agreements and disagreements and the line is wide but not to be crossed without retribution. The main cook puts up with a lot but enforces the loose boundaries with a word and rarely the hand. He has never crossed the line himself. Very comfortable place to be.
Just like the old pig cookings, I’ll miss it when it’s gone.
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Nailed it. And if you don’t get this you never will.
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Hey RR Been there done that (pig cooking). Many many times. Some of the best memories I have.
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Don’t forget the bourbon. When my kinfolks cooked a pig in the ground they always had some kind of homemade clear liquid that tasted like burning kerosene. They needed bourbon.
Our passion for all things Georgia does cause us to occasionally lose our minds. I don’t visit any blog during football games. I love you people, but holy crap, I can’t deal with that insanity.
But this blog is my first visit every day. I genuinely appreciate the articles, all of them, and I especially appreciate this hard look in the mirror. I think RR is correct: loose boundaries seem to work well. Respect the other and disagree respectfully or just go cool off somewhere else.
By the way, this is what we do when we live on the top of the mountain, the rest of the world living at our feet as we consider our reign to be good and appropriate in the eyes of God. My wife says I have been less than humble in the week since our SECOND national championship in a row. She may well be right. It’s good to be the king….
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Reverend, you, Terry, FPD and a lot of the old boys here understand about a pig cooking and the responsibility it entails. Labeled tax payed liquor generally has predictable characteristics which is necessary if e’rbody gonna eat right the next day. That ol ‘shine has unpredictable effects on most of the boys. Especially the really good stuff which goes down like water with a peach aftertaste. Without a semi sober monitor burnt ends become burnt everything.
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I was taught by the Samoan contingent in the yankee Army how to cook a pig in the ground with wet newspaper instead of banana leaves. I grew up using green hickory coals in a cinder block pit, slow cooked and turned every half hour. Later the old fellas learned to get a good sear on the underbelly and turn the hog skin-side down and cover it with a piece of roofing tin and keep the coals just hot enough that a hand held over the coals wouldn’t get uncomfortable for about 10 seconds.. That kept the juices in the meat and made the skin oh so crispy and edible. It was a testament to their adaptability that those old bastards would change a cooking method that they used all their lives to improve the quality of the pork. And it did.
We younger fellows took over the duties while the older gentleman took credit for the pig about 30 years ago. Once they passed on the city boys took over and had a quicker way. Gas cooked on a big enclosed grill is quicker and much easier. But it’s just not the same. Pretty much sucks and I simply won’t participate. Takes a lot of good sauce to make that gas pig palatable. The old way mopped occasionally with vinegar-mustard-pepper sauce didn’t require BBQ sauce.
Get the fuck off my lawn.
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RR, what is your email address? I need to send you something I wrote last night…..
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OwensboroDawg, the Senator has my permission to release my gmail to you. Email him and he might grant you that boon. You’ll need to let me know to look for your message. Damn Windstream notification is nonexistent.
Looking forward to your message.
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What denomination are you in? I did a masters at Covenant Seminary before the Medical College of Georgia.
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Christian Church (Disciples of Christ). I grew up baptist and will be grateful for that until the day I die. Went to seminary first at Southern Seminary in Louisville. After two years in a baptist church I went back to seminary at Columbia (PCUSA) in Decatur, GA. Went into the CC (DoC) 25 years ago and have never regretted it.
My brother is a MCG graduate in nursing. And a church member from Valdosta just entered school there in orthodontics, after finishing undergrad at UGA.
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Small world. My sister and her family live in Decatur, about a nice 5 iron from the Columbia campus. It’s beautiful there.
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Mr. RangerRuss,
Very comfortable place to be…..
Perfect sir.
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Sting talk wasn’t the only place some idiots came up for air.. I saw a few tweets here or there tossing conjecture as to why two staffers were in the car with players that late at night. “Doesn’t the school have policies against employees dating students?” One tweet was by a person with Black Lives Matter in their handle and others were by opposing fans.
I only thought that these staffers were intended to provide resources and support our athletes by providing such things as rides to class and safe rides home. Maybe I’m naive but given the lack of trouble since CKS arrives (compared to some of the CMR off-seasons), I just assumed we had taken safety measures to keep athletes out of harms way. I hope I’m right, or maybe I’m wrong, but either way, there are assholes everywhere.
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I’ve been coming to your blog for 15 years, I don’t comment often, because the posts in general don’t cross lines. There was a point when politics took over that I stopped coming but eventually found my way back.
Personally, I think it’s fair to comment on a player or coaches performance. That’s the passion of fans for the sport. I think it crosses the line when assumptions of character or assumption of intention about somebody comes out. That’s where I find the judging and criticism to cross the line.
Overall, I think the blog and commenters for the most part do a good job of not crossing those lines. There’s always going to be “that guy” that craves attention at will try to get it via shock factor but they’re the exception and not the rule.
I appreciate reading everyone’s comments and enjoying the ups and downs of Georgia football with y’all.
God bless the families of Devin and Chandler.
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Senator,
You’ve changed your editing style over the years as times change. IMO all for the best of this blog. Hats off in recognizing first your tolerance to others well stated opinions that differ from your own. Even more for noticing the difference in us from an emotional moment of just stupid to droning on and on every post the same personal message.
Sincere thanks man for your labor of love and wishing you many years of happy continued success. With no more personal time on the IL affecting attendance.
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Sadly, what you speak of is simply a microcosm of the overall world in which we now live. Opinions about athletes, politicians, and other public figures have of course existed forever. However, over the millennia we’ve moved from no modern technology whatsoever that naturally limited the expression of opinions to a relatively small audience to now a dangerous internet-fueled multi-media wild west where a plethora of “professional” talking heads to even the average uninformed Joe or Jane has a megaphone to the world. The affect is slowly wearing down society. We are now living in the days of Future Shock.
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Exactly. IMHO, the idea that the Senator even asks the question would only come from someone who remembers the ‘80’s-‘90’s. Back then one could only snark in person at games or at a bar.
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The comments on this site are fine. If you want true toxicity, you can always sign up for Twitter, Reddit, etc. Blogs like this are not the problem.
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While I don’t have any specific complaints or suggestions for you Senator, I’m sure you’re not perfect. But the introspection demonstrated by simply asking whether or not you should be better makes it eminently clear that you’re leagues better than most people.
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Put another way, we don’t deserve you, Senator
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Put another way: we’re not worthy!
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You generally do an ok job
But your snark about Michael Adams and Greg McGarity are WAY over the line
/s/
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Moderation is tough. I don’t know that anyone has a great answer at the moment.
You want to give people a forum, but you have to acknowledge that some people aren’t engaging in good faith.
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Bingo
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People can be stupid and they can say what they want. You can choose whether to let it affect you or not. But for every dumbass there are 100 good people who care and are supportive. We can say what we want about how the internet has ruined society, but if we really think about it, we truly exist in the best time of human history.
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Word.
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Couldn’t agree more with the posts above – extremely happy that the commenting here has been policed, particularly the political stuff. It turned from a funny weekly release to something I just skipped over because a few key commenters were obnoxious beyond belief.
As far as yesterday’s post – Stetson is just one of those dudes that seems to ruffle feathers – amongst opposing fans as much as his own. The reasons have been discussed here ad nauseum. The dude is a living legend and I guess that comes with the territory, fair or unfair. I’m not going to sit here and crow about being a SBIV believer (because at one point I was not). But yesterday seemed to have some weird “Old man yells at clouds” vibes. The sad news sucked any interest I had out of even talking about it.
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Your editorial evolution has been interesting and as you’ve admitted, necessary but against some of your own libertarian beliefs. GTP is a small community in the larger scheme of things, but it drives quality. Many of the offenders and the offended have left over time especially has you enforced staying on topic and eliminated the Wednesday free-for-all. Being open allows GTP community self-policing like RR’s pig roast example. Message boards fail because of the attraction of “only like-minded idiots may join” and large social media platforms struggle with any attempt at imposing rules and norms because…well…people.
My questions going forward:
How much rope do you give a troll? (e.g. Archmatry)
Will you let GTP continue or take it to the grave? (We know the answer, but businesses can have a succession plan and even if different thrive under new management.)
And seriously, Why not merchandise this place? Yeah, it’s your passion, but a couple of tee shirts, hats and coffee mugs would allow us to show our appreciation and sense of community for your efforts over the years. I’m sure any of the licensed vendors downtown would work with you.
Thanks for your work and please keep it up.
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I don’t presume to answer for the Senator, but I can tell you that he gives shows trolls a heck of a lot of patience. There have been (and still are) fans from other programs that read and post on GTP..some (WDE for example) that do so gracefully and with good content in their posts.
Bluto’s not perfect but he’s the best.
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You know, merchandise is a fine idea. Sign me up for a mug and tee right now. I don’t know what the breakeven point on sales would be but I’m sure all the regular commenters and many regular readers would gobble up whatever’s available.
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I don’t think the Senator fully realizes how many people love his blog. I agree, it would be great if we could somehow show our appreciation.
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Ok, I don’t entirely appreciate the constant assumption that people wouldn’t say the same “anon” as they would in person. I am anon on most all social media specifically because my beliefs don’t fit the typical dichotomy and I do so at that point for self preservation. I don’t want to be fired just because I think different in this stupid homogeneous society. People like the above poster should be called out and ridiculed, but I promise he likely would have said the same to his stinger friends IRL. My point is don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater over false accusations of anonominity that hasn’t been proven.
Anonominity didn’t cause our (the us) current political environment, lies and deception have from all individuals involved. It became an instance where truth doesn’t matter as long as “muh side” wins. Anyway, sorry for the rant, I just don’t appreciate the labels that aren’t warranted.
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You do a fine job Senator. There were times in the past where i just stopped coming by/ I really enjoyed the comment section til i didnt. It was just a few folks but they were intent on burning things down. Now even if at times it gets a little prickly it usually stays relatively civil. Kudos for you to becoming less tolerant of bullshit in your house. 4 1/2 stars. Would recommend coming back.
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Senator,
I think you do a good job of moderating content of posters.
For me personally being critical of players and they’re performance falls in to two categories and I will use Stetson as an example since it is recent. I think it was fair for people after either the Ohio State game this year or Alabama games last year to say he didn’t play his best game or question whether he was pressing or something along those lines, or to be critical of performance in an individual play to an extent (I’ve seen to many people make a comment when they didn’t understand enough to be making the comment they were making).
What I thought was over the line were the comments mostly last year, like “he can never beat Alabama, “we’ll never win a championship with him at QB”.
I also think it is unfair to call into question someones character unless it is coming from a place of personal knowledge. Even then does it really need to be said unless it is bringing real clarity to a given topic hopefully, for the individuals good.
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It’s low-key entertaining, tho, when people who really don’t understand the game spout off about things with a definitive attitude, like “Stetson can never beat Alabama”… and then must eat a giant helping of Crow.
I’ve had fun at family reunions with that exact example. 😂
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I think you moderate this blog very well, Senator. Sometimes commenters get caught up in the heat of the moment and say some regrettable things (and, to their credit, quite a few of them have owned up to it), but in general the tone here is snarky instead of nasty and mean-spirited. If someone does repeatedly go off the rails, you effectively address it. GTP is one of the very few sports blogs I read anymore and it’s because your commentary is top-notch and the commenters a simpatico bunch.
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I miss the old Wednesday Playpen, but I also miss cigarettes. Both were bad for my health.
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Post of the day, dude!
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I miss the playpen also. I understand why we don’t have it anymore, but as a place to discuss politics, it was more reasonable than the other couple of political blogs I’ve been on.
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I believe criticism of players and coaches is fair, as long as you’re not an asshole about it. That’s the line I’ve always strived to stay behind, because when people cross it, I tune them out.
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This will be the second time in a week I post your blog on Twitter. Wish more folks would show the self awareness and introspection you do here.
Anonymity, with no disrespect to the commenter a few above, is a problem on the internet. It does, without a doubt, lend itself to poor decision making. That is not to say that all who remain anonymous engage in poor behavior, but freedom from repercussions allows for the worst in us to sometimes bubble to the surface. It allows for the “quiet whispers” one would generally only offer up in trusted company to instead be broadcast to all who will happen upon it. In this internet world, I have basically come to regard ugly statements by those who choose to remain anonymous as simply the misguided ramblings of cowards, and dismiss them as such. But, others may not have the skin I do, and could be turned off (as we’ve seen mentioned in these comments), and thus I think moderation is necessary.
I think you do a great job riding the line and letting out enough rope for folks to either climb back to sensibility, or ultimately hang themselves.
Our world is simultaneously discourteous, and yet amazingly compassionate. Communications tools today allow for us to find conflict or connection wherever we would seek it, in a matter of moments, with an audience that can be worldwide. I think as a people, we are still maturing into this capability, and I’d love to see an evolution to where anonymity was reduced, and personal responsibility restored…
But probably not on a college football discussion board. Some folks need room to be assholes without consequence. 😂
Go Dawgs
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You’re misconstruing what anonymity is. The problem is how social media has driven engagement. Heck, all one has to do is view Facebook and the ilk that produces. Anonymity is being turned into a boogeyman with no basis in actual data. There are reasons for this push, but it is not for this blog. Reducing/removing anonymity isn’t going to change the outcome because it isn’t the problem. I can promise you can find some low class comments on the non-anon “Facebook” that are just as egregious as the above. I don’t take offense to your comment, I just want people to be more observant instead of blindly parroting causes are rooted in an agenda.
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I think this place is about as good as it gets when it comes to people interacting online. Is it perfect? No. And it never will be. I guess it could be made where nobody says anything that offends anybody or hurts anybody’s feelings but this blog would dry up and die. Personally I think people generally should have thicker skin and not get so easily wounded but that’s just me. To me it’s obvious where the line is. If you’re talking about an individual player or group of them and it goes beyond what they do or have done on the field and gets personal you’re going to far. But the caveat there is unless they’ve done something truly worthy of being raked over the coals like the thing with the backup quarterback at Florida this year, players being arrested for things like theft or some sort of sex crime etc. To me that’s all game to be treated as what it is. And I’m personally not in favor of we can’t criticize Beth Mowins for being terrible at her job or Aurbach for just being stupid without it being “misogyny”.
I think this blog is much better with the moratorium called on political talk. That got to be a pain in the ass to read through every damn day. I personally don’t care what any of you think about politics and am sure as hell not here to read about it as I’m sure you feel the same about me.
Long way around the barn to say I think this place is great just the way it is.
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People should absolutely have thicker skin and not be so easily wounded. It is not just you.
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My response to that is, if you’re criticizing a woman in the same way you would a man doing the same job, that’s fair. If you’re not, then you just might be a misogynist. And that’s probably the lens I need to view that through going forward.
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I imagine there are damn few actual misogynists around.
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Don’t confuse the issue with facts.
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There are as many male sports commentators who drive me crazy as there are women, ie., Stephen A Smith is just as bad as Nicole Auerbach. When it’s about how they do their jobs, it’s totally fair game. Same with players, although I do believe that there is a distinct difference between how we should comment about the performance of pro players versus 18-22-year-old college kids. I promise that our coaching staff lets them know when they don’t play well and in more colorful language than most of us are comfortable using. I haven’t found a lot of condescending attitudes here except the rare occasion that I have taken a strong stand on something where someone holds the totally opposite view. In those cases, I’m not sure it has anything to do with my being a woman — some people just cannot deal with opposing opinions without getting personal. I agree that there are way too many people who use the ability to post online behind fictional names as a shield against have to own up to the crap they spout, but for some of us, it started because our workplaces were a bit restrictive about online presence of employees. That’s not the case for me anymore, but my name is set, and I don’t want to start over. Also, there is a difference between high-quality snark and being disrespectful to someone, even a college kid.
I live in Upstate South Carolina so my access to non-Clemson news and opinion is limited. I greatly appreciate being to come here to find both. I subscribe to The Athletic but steadfastly refuse to do the same to the AJC or as we used to call it the Banana Herald; 90% of the AJC is clickbait and Gannett will never get another dime from me.
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I believe what some here have labeled misogyny is when a female talking head is not just criticized (which is obviously fair) but told to iron a shirt of make a sandwich. We don’t make similar comments toward male talking heads.
And I say this as an Augusta native who loved the poster directed at Martha Burke outside the ANGC. Different circumstances. Auerbach and Dinich are not publicly representing the National Council of Women’s Organizations, nor do they claim to.
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Yeah I don’t care about any of that. If you’re being serious it’s one thing. If it’s a joke than who gives a damn? Men can be made fun of so as far as I’m concerned women can too. I thought women hated it when men white knighted now. Oh well. I’ll post within the boundaries of what’s acceptable here.
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“Yeah I don’t care about any of that.”
I can’t speak for the ladies here, but I believe that was the point they were making – graciously too.
YMMV.
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It helps to have a sense of humor. It has become so rare it’s like a super power. Everybody is offended about everything.
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True. It also helps to have a good sense of humor.
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I vividly remember being in the student section at Sanford during Reggie’s last game at UGA and the “Reggggg-ie” chant going on for a while. I had a pretty solid out of body experience where I just imagined reading about the kid suffering some self-inflicted harm and just kind of couldn’t keep going with the chant after that. I loved playing them, but it almost felt like we were keying in on him too much, especially given how loudly he had claimed in the media before that that “Georgia was just another game”. It felt like he was struggling with it, and I just got really worried about it right after halftime.
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First time commenter, long time reader. This is the BEST blog both from a content and appropriate moderation standpoint. Nowhere else is as thoughtful and considers as many possible angles as you Senator. Keep up the good work with the current balance. As for the merchandise idea, sign me up. Go Dawgs.
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There’s a bottom line questions:
There are also folks with empathy & self awareness, and those with not so much.
Then there are these folks, who are fans of a college (who either attended & got the degree or did not), who spend $$ on their school, but with strings attached, & there are fans who don’t.
Now ask yourself from above who am I?
And for 18+ year old student-athletes are constantly filmed, recorded & interviewed throughout their college years, and playing there respective sport risking their bodies & minds with 24×7 judgement, all for a greater money cause.
Imagine if we were followed watched & written about, from opinion or news reports, 24×7 and throughout our college years, all by people with all the qualities from the questions above.
Now ask the Stingtalk blog if low, dirty comments help pay the bills during the dark years of GaTech football. Question their monitoring of comments at this juncture.
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I can do without the political crap from both sides. But even if this turned into an ideological echo chamber I’d still come here if you posted about the bulldogs.
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Re Stetson: i was neither offended by anything he did nor the reaction of a portion of a fanbase. I’d just say that he has the spotlight and part of that price is it being up to him to thread that needle. It’s ultimately his burden, fair or not, that a Georgia QBs legacy on all fronts has stiff competition from the likes of Belue, Zeir, Greeney, Shock, Stafford, Murray, Fromm…..
It all reminds me of a saying my Mom used to say and you hear especially in politics: “do you wanna be right or do you wanna win?” Stetson may be perfectly right that many in the fanbase deserve Double Birds™️, but YMMV on whether actually doing that is a ‘Win.’
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I seem to remember a post by the Senator a couple of years ago where he mocked the effeminate mannerisms and speech of Herschel Walker’s son because he supported Donald Trump ( at the time). Not openly mocked, but it was obvious what was going on. That stuff doesn’t bother me but I’m sure many would say it was homophobic. Just saying it’s very easy to cross lines these days.
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Whoa, snowflake.
Here’s the only thing I’ve posted on Christian Walker. Please tell me what’s obvious about it from a homophobic point of view.
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Ok snowflake. I will. But don’t act like you don’t already know. Christian Walker has obvious effeminate mannerisms and speech. He supported Donald Trump at the time. You thought it would be a funny shot to take at the Trump supporters on the blog. The perception being that Trump supporters consider themselves to be some sort of “men’s men” and would be embarrassed to have someone like Christian Walker on “their team”. The fact that you thought that Walker’s sexual orientation would be something useful to use to attack Trump supporters would be considered homophobic by some. It wasn’t a personal attack on you, I was just showing how it’s now easy to draw lines.
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Cool theory… except I never mentioned his sexual orientation. Nor did I mention his mannerisms.
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You really didn’t need to mention his sexual orientation or mannerisms did you? They were quite obvious. That’s what made it so effective. You are very good at what you do. I thought the post was pretty funny. I can take it and can dish it out. I don’t think you are homophobic. Just saying that in this environment where we are all getting snarky and cracking wise it’s very hard not to offend some people.
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Man, I’m not going to continue to fall down this rabbit hole with you.
Besides, this exchange reveals more about what’s inside your head than in mine.
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That’s probably a wise decision on your part. Your last sentence makes no sense.
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There’s a certain element of wrestling with a pig going on here and I’m not the pig.
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“But I wonder if I should be more aware of the line than I am sometimes. Genuinely curious what y’all think.” You asked the question. I’m just trying to help.😉
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Best blog on the interwebs, by far.
And I’ll “say” this: I don’t understand why any Dawg fan would spend a minute of his/her time reading a blog affiliated with any other college team.
Having said that, I’m pretty sure this is a place where no one will be offended by my words, because people know I’m just expressing a personal opinion, and not trying to put anybody down who does like to read Stingtalk, or any other team’s site.
Guess what I’m saying is, I think we got a better class of commenters around this blog than there is on any other site.
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If Nicole Auerbach or Heather Dinich were a dude, I wouldn’t dislike her any less. Believe me, I’m an equal opportunity hater. That said, misogyny and homophobia are moronic at best. F that noise. THAT said, the mildly misogynistic, mildly homophobic Norm Macdonald character Norm created and perfected was not the real Norm Macdonald. It was a performance. Some commenters here seem to be performing.
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Is it ok if I say “I hate the Gay-tors”. It’s kinda of homophobic. How bout “I hate the Gators”. “Hate” is a very strong word. Do people really hate a fellow human being because they are fans of the University of Florida football team? What about GOFH? We all know the context of those statements, which makes it ok, right? Any guidance is appreciated, I don’t want to offend anyone.
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It’s “kinda” homophobic? LOL.
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This is a great site. I try to not say on here what I would say to someone’s face – not strictly true, but I try.
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Or something like that. I have a had a few shots of tequila.
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