The straw that stirred the drimk

Putting it mildly, it’s been a fascinating exercise over the past few days watching the Alabama fan base slowly come to grips with life after Saban.

Honestly, it shouldn’t be that traumatic. The facilities, among the nation’s best, are still there. The framework, aka The Process, is baked into how they go about their business. Hell, Saban is still there to provide consulting support.

DeBoer is a good hire. Offensively, I think they’ve upgraded schemewise. After a misfire on retaining Robinson, DeBoer looks to have signed an excellent replacement at DC.

Yes, the portal has proven to be disruptive and ‘Bama has taken some hits on the recruiting trail. But you shouldn’t overlook how deep a talent pool DeBoer still has to draw from. The idea that the transition has left the cupboard bare is ludicrous to comtemplate.

Alabama ain’t turning into Auburn or Tennessee tomorrow, in other words.

What has rocked the Tide fan base’s world is the realization that Alabama has been what it’s been over the past 15 or so years isn’t because it’s Alabama. It’s because Nick Saban is the GOAT. The idea that a football program could lose a head coach of his stature without missing a beat simply isn’t realistic.

But when you’ve spent all that time in a cocoon convincing yourself that your program is immune simply because it’s Alabama, by damn, it’s a real shock to the system to discover that you’ve suddenly taken on the problems and consequences that all your peers face. It kind of reminds me of what the typical educated man of the Middle Ages must have faced when presented with proof for the first time that the Earth revolved around the sun instead of vice versa.

Alabama’s going to be fine, in other words. It’s just that be fine at a lower level than they were under Saban. Alabama the program, that is. The fan base is likely to be another story.

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161 responses to “The straw that stirred the drimk

  1. timphd

    Bless their hearts.

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  2. PTC DAWG

    I hope you are on the mend…

    That said, this comment you made is spot on. “The idea that a football program could lose a head coach of his stature without missing a beat simply isn’t realistic.”

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    • practicaldawg

      This is the most honest take and an omen for all of us. Nothing lasts forever.

      It will be interesting to see how DeBoer actually performs in this role. His resume is based on his ability to transform losing programs into winning programs very quickly using the existing roster without supplementing the roster with any of his own recruits.

      That’s somewhat the opposite of what he was hired to do at Alabama. Can he adapt, rebuild the roster quickly, and be a perennial top 2 recruiter like Saban? Or is he an NFL guy in waiting? Or is he an Xs and Os guy that doesn’t love recruiting?

      As Barnhart would say, we’ll know more later.

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      • Exactly! The more I think about it, Alabama is probably EXTREMELY dangerous the next 2-3 years. A young, hungry coach is being given the keys to a Maserati. I wouldn’t be surprised if they won another NC in the short term.

        It will be VERY interesting to see what they look like when all of Saban’s players are gone. Kirby is the only coach who has been able to stockpile talent like Saban for any extended period. (Meyer recruited like them but always seemed to flame out after a few years.)

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  3. SouthsideDawg

    What a shame for the gumps

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  4. jcdawg83

    Saban being around the program isn’t going to be a good thing for DeBoer. No matter what DeBoer tells people to do, the people at Bama are going to look at Saban before they do it.

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    • Biggen

      Yup. This all day. I’m loving Saban having an office in the facility and looking over DeBoer’s shoulder on a daily basis on every move he makes. That has to work, right?

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      • This all assumes that Saban is going to do any actual work on Bama’s behalf. If I’m Saban, I take a $1/yr “special advisor” position to lend my imprimatur to DeBoer and keep the fans off his back for a while; I do TV appearances here and there and I fly up to Tuscaloosa for the occasional photo op. Otherwise, though, I’m spending all my time with Miss Terry, tooling around in my droptop Ferrari and enjoying that $17M house on Jupiter Island I just bought, and getting involved in Bama’s bizznass as little as possible.

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        • Tony BarnFart

          And when he’s tired of Jupiter and feels like really slumming it, he can take Eli Manning tubing on Lake Burton again.

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    • Derek

      It all depends on how supportive he is of DeBoer and whether he has any subconscious ego that makes him competitive with DeBoer. If he’s there to tell everyone to shut the fuck up and let DeBoer do the job, to warn DeBoer of the various pitfalls, open doors and be a sounding board, he could be a tremendous asset. If Saban decides instead to take him down? It wouldn’t take very long.

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      • godawgs1701

        I agree, Saban can do a lot of good for DeBoer. One of the downfalls of Alabama football post-Bear Bryant was that the power donors and alumni were almost never pulling in the same direction and it looked more like Auburn than a championship program behind the scenes. Saban brought an end to that, and Saban’s continued presence there can help keep people in line. If I were DeBoer, I’d want him there. I mean, heck, if I go 8-4 it’s not like the fans won’t remember who Nick Saban is just because he’s at the beach house instead of the ballpark. If Saban is supportive and doesn’t try to meddle and instead just focuses on keeping folks on the sidelines in line, well, that’s a plus.

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      • Dylan Dreyer's Booty

        I disagree. The point isn’t whether Saban is supportive or not; the point is that the fan base/administration is likely to be looking to Saban first. DeBoer just gets to be the fall guy if things don’t work out. If they do work out, Saban still gets the credit.

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        • owensborodawg

          I’ve been in that job. When the previous boss retires and keeps an office, the boss isn’t the problem. The people who continue to go to the previous boss are the problem. Eventually things get messy for the new guy. I’ve got stories…. Saban should leave and let the new guy survive on his own.

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        • Derek

          Name the guy who stuck around who was an obvious net negative to the program.

          I can’t think of one. I can think of a few where the program did fine while the old guy stuck around.

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          • owensborodawg

            It was just me. In the whole history of the world, it was only my situation that was a struggle when the previous leader stayed around after retiring. Really?

            I can name 4 or 5 business/work/non-profit situations that suffered strife and discord when the previous leader just hung around with time to talk and chat and “help.” People told me the situations were hard and I could see the dynamics unfold and deteriorate. This is not uncommon at all. There is a reason that my denomination has a rule that disallows a previous pastor from retiring and staying in that church. The dynamics of relationships are messy enough with just the new leader, much less the last one hanging around with another take on things.

            I feel for DeBoer. I hope Alabama loses every game for the next 30 years and FTMF, too. Saban likely won’t be the problem. Bama fans will be the problem.

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            • Derek

              Not suggesting universal success across every endeavor. I am only suggesting that in college football there hasn’t been an obvious issue caused by the old coach hanging around, that I am aware of. It might exist. The few I can think of seemed to help if anything. Can’t think of one where people thought the old guy fucked things up. Could be.

              Just asking.

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              • owensborodawg

                I don’t think it is the old coach who is likely the problem, but the fans and big donors with access to that coach and their perceived access to power. My perception is that Saban got all the various powers to pull in the same direction. Kirby has done the same at Georgia. What happens to that unity when the central force of gravity is gone?

                Saban likely won’t be a problem in retirement, but all those salty Bama fans will be without access to the throne, with their in-bred entitlement to winning it all every other year, etc. Auburn is the classic case of the school pulling in fifty different directions until suddenly they all pull in the same direction and win big. By the way, I hate Auburn.

                I think coaches know and I would expect Saban to be supportive. But not the fans. My belief is that distance by Saban is the best gift he can give DeBoer.

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          • 69Dawg

            Let me just say that you are forgetting the Old Ball Sack from UF. He still has an office in the athletic department fortunately he loves golf more than the Gators. The Gators have not exactly been world beaters since he left.

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          • 2thdawg

            Phil Fulmer

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            • Derek

              Not exactly the same thing. Fulmer was kicked to the curb. Was away from the program for quite a while before being chosen to save things and ended up making them worse or maybe just as bad??

              I’m asking about a:

              1) legendary coach
              2) who left on his own terms
              3) stuck around the program in some capacity immediately after retirement.

              Phat Phil isn’t an available answer. Neither is Spurrier.

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          • akascuba

            Phil Fulmer walked practices running his mouth when Pruitt was HC it was a problem. One of many I would agree.

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            • Derek

              Phil had been away from the program for a decade before that.

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              • akascuba

                Only officially you follow this sport too much to believe he ever really away from his throne.

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                • Derek

                  Phat Phil in 2013 on the guy who sent him packing and what had happened to the program since he left:

                  “What happened to us basically was our leadership. We had four presidents in six years. We ended up with an athletic director that wasn’t prepared for the job. Not a terrible guy or anything like that. He got twisted like a pretzel by the middle management of the university. We lost a lot of the edges that you have to have. (Current athletic director) Dave Hart’s very aware of those, and he’s working to change things. We didn’t get dumb or lazy all of a sudden. There were obviously some things that were different.

                  “When you have a great president and a great athletic director and you replace them with substandard people that have no idea, what do you expect is going to happen?”

                  What was I thinking? Must’ve gotten stuck in reality.

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    • fisheriesdawg

      The Gators are 17-21 since Spurrier’s Gridiron Grill opened in Gainesville.

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    • mp

      I’ve seen plenty of retirees have aspirations of doing some consulting work. It’s a crutch. He won’t be hanging around there long.

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    • Nil Butron is a Pud

      On a scale of Vince Dooley to Phat Phil, I’d put the Saban sticking around situation closer to the VD side just because of who he is as a person.

      But please Lord, let the gump fans experience the Vol’s success rate lo these past several years…

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    • 93dawg

      If Saban is visible and hanging around the office, then “yes”, that is NOT a good thing and people will still look to him for direction. If Saban is “available” to DeBoer to “help/guide” him (and him only) when asked by DeBoer (and ONLY by DeBoer) to do so, then that could be a good thing. Saban needs to be “invisible” (not in the office and mingling) and not tell DeBoer what to do unless asked and that could work.

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    • PTC DAWG

      I think the same thing..

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    • Buck Etheridge

      I lived in Tuscaloosa at the end of the Shula era and for the first year of Saban. They literally had people complaining that the Bear wouldn’t have called X play or Y defense during their call in shows after losses, and he’d been dead for 20 something years at the time.

      The closer Saban is to that program, the worse it will be for DeBoer, no matter how much Saban tries to support him.

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  5. Derek

    The fans are a complete wreck. Listening in to Finebaum yesterday for a few moments was pure joy.

    One called said that Saban had “left the program in shambles!”

    Many whined about the portal with no regard to how it had previously benefited them.

    A tide fan I’ve known for decades told me that:

    1) no way that this hire works AND
    2) that it would not take 25 years for them to figure it out like it did after Bryant retired. Lesson learned and whatnot.

    I just hope they keep Auburn in check. I also look forward to them being led by an actual human being rather than a soulless cyborg.

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    • biggusrickus

      I suppose nothing’s impossible, but he’s probably right that the hire won’t work. Mainly because no hire would work after Saban. The guy could go 11-1, 10-2 and 9-3, and they’d run him off. Now, the second part is a pipe dream. There are no universally applicable lessons to be drawn from not being able to hire a coach like Bear Bryant for 25 years. They’re lucky they found another guy that good instead of another Stallings-esque coach.

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      • W Cobb Dawg

        I remember being in a restaurant booth back in the 80’s. Two bama guys in the next booth were discussing the upcoming season and how unhappy they were with HC Bill Curry the year before. I chimed in “but they only lost 2 games!”. My comment had zero effect on their attitude.

        That is how entitled they are and have ALWAYS been. DeBoer has no fricken clue about the shitstorm of bitching coming his way when, not if, he loses a game. When he loses 3 games they’ll be screaming for his head.

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        • Derek

          How many coaches have been forced out the year they won the sec?

          Bammers HATE Curry. The one sin they can’t forgive is losing to Auburn. Curry never beat Auburn: 0-3 while at Alabama. 0-12 overall.

          I can respect in their position.

          I still think that UF fans are the most entitled in the conference. I think bammers are slightly more rational IF you aren’t losing to Auburn. That just fucks with their emotions. Losing 5 in a row to them was what got their collective shit together to hand someone the program, shut up and back away. Nothing else would have done that.

          I can respect in their position.

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        • otto1980

          Some were calling for Saban’s head after not making the playoff. Now…they’re sad he’s gone.

          Some may disagree with my stance on coaches to come and go from Athens but, you can say I’m not consistant.

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  6. Biggen

    I was thinking your exact thoughts yesterday, Senator.

    I don’t believe they will be that insurmountable mountain anymore. DeBoer is a good coach but the odds they win the lottery and get another Saban are basically zilch. Welcome to some 9 win seasons Bama.

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  7. munsonlarryfkajim

    Always interesting to see a staff comprised largely of outside descend on the SEC to recruit. This isn’t snark at all but rather an honest question – when was the last time that worked? Urban Myer at Florida?

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  8. godawgs1701

    DeBoer is a great coach and an excellent hire – quite possibly the best one Alabama could have made.

    That said, they’re all about to find out that “Built By Bama” bullshit is just that – bullshit. Alabama definitely bent towards Saban’s will which allowed him to build what he did there, but he could have done the same if not even better at many different football-committed schools. It wasn’t because of the magical charm of Tuscaloosa.

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    • godawgs1701

      A Bammer I’m friendly with posted on Facebook yesterday, “College Football is certainly not what is used to be. Business transactions and no loyalty or commitment to ‘The Team.'”

      Bless their hearts, they’re just now learning that people might leave or might not come for less if Nick Saban isn’t your coach. I responded, “Yeah, it sure has, when did you hear? Was it when Jermaine Burton scored for Alabama against Georgia in the SEC Championship Game? 😂”

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    • otto1980

      We’ll see how good of a hire it is. On paper he has the X’s and O’s based off his winning percentage.

      What isn’t certain is can he recruit, and manage the roster in the SEC meat grinder? You can’t know that until you’re in the job. Mullen had Miss St. performing better than anyone had in Starkville. We saw how that it went in Hogtown.

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  9. The weeping and gnashing of teeth by their fanbase is what I delight in.

    Couldn’t say the same for the Vols fanbase when they languished in purgatory…they only had 2 teeth in the entire fanbase.

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  10. FlyingPeakDawg

    No organization is static, and with the constant turnover that occurs with CFB programs it’s critical to have leadership that maintains a standard while navigating swiftly moving waters. This is why Saban is the GOAT where others so often fail. That leadership is going to be incredibly hard to replace as Saban and Deboer work to find their limits of authority. Could be great, but strong odds the players and staff feel lost through this transition. May they wander in the wilderness for years to come.

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  11. akascuba

    Bama Nation is learning quickly that without the Saban discount players cost more too. Does Bama have enough deep pocketed donors willing to pay the going rate?

    I’m sure we’re also blessed to be benefiting from the Kirby discount.

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    • fisheriesdawg

      Long-term, it’ll be interesting to see how this decision they’ve made in the past decade to go heavy on out-of-state student enrollment works out for their alumni support. Miami and Georgia Tech come to mind as schools that continually struggle to engage alumni support when a huge chunk of alumni move to other parts of the country (or internationally).

      On the other end of things, Notre Dame does just fine with most of their alumni not living in Northern Indiana.

      Which one is Alabama going forward?

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      • akascuba

        No idea how aggressive is with GT alumni. I always laugh when thinking about my father’s first letter he received in an undisclosed SE Asia country in 65. It was from the U asking for donations to the alumni fund. Family we couldn’t find him. No problem for the U to hunt him down always seeking donations.

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      • stoopnagle

        I think the big difference between Tech and Bama in this regard (out-of-state students) is that Tech is attracting them based on academic prestige and Bama is attracting them with “The Collegiate Ideal” (columned frat houses, parties, big time football) and money and an exceptionally large “honors” program.

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      • MagnusDawgus

        I have read several times that the $100 million plus investment that Bama made in Saban has been repaid 10x plus with the surge in out of state students paying $30K plus a year in tuition. There is a LOT riding on the success of the football program in T-Town, much more than there is in Athens.

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      • Tony BarnFart

        Interesting questions. I think it kind of depends on whether the school is a state school. I was an out of stater at UGA myself and moved back to my home city. I’m borderline obsessed with UGA and Athens but can’t say i’m super involved on a formal level. Never held season tickets because it was too far even though i did make Hartman donations for a while but didn’t pull the trigger because of distance. So i may be representative of the problem. I am emotionally attached but i would open my wallet more if i lived closer, which is where the meat of this question goes.

        At state schools, you will definitely see a little bit of a disengagement problem with out of state alums because there are seemingly enough alums on the ground nearby. But UGA has never whored themselves out to the out of state dollar …. but at Alabama, I’d be nervous and that is very TBD.

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    • There’s no doubt we are getting a Kirby discount too, but yeah, that becomes a major factor now for them. Kirby and Saban both have said that if a recruit’s main concern is NIL money, they move on. But they were 2 of only maybe 3 or 4 coaches in the country who can have that philosophy, because there’s enough top guys out there who are willing to play for them for less. Most coaches don’t have that luxury. Bama is no longer in that category.

      And we better treasure every moment we have with Kirby until he gets tired of dealing with it all.

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    • W Cobb Dawg

      “Does Bama have enough deep pocketed donors willing to pay the going rate?”

      I’m not sure bama can even out-bid auburn.

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  12. David D

    A bit off-topic, but relevant to what’s happening in Tuscaloosa: I was listening to Rick Neuheisel on Sirius/XM about an hour ago and he said the scuttlebutt around T-Town is that, right after the Michigan loss, several players went to Saban and demanded they get a new NIL deal. If Nick was “on the fence” about retiring, that might’ve been what pushed him clean over the edge. Nick truly has no time for this shit.

    Strange days, indeed. Most peculiar, mama.

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    • Everybody gonna have to finally admit that making them employees and engaging in collective bargaining is the only thing that’s gonna bring sanity to the process.

      And coaches aren’t gonna stick around. The thing is, you used to have to coach 15-20 years to make generational money. Now, look at DeBoer. I haven’t seen his contract details yet but let’s assume it’s something like 7 years for $70 million, but it’s all guaranteed. So what does he care if he gets fired after 3 years? He just made $70 million for 3 years of work, and doesn’t need to ever work again for his next 2-3 generations of his family to be set for life. So if this stuff keeps getting crazier and crazier, you’re gonna see guys make their money, then be gone. No more top coaches who stick around for 15+ years.

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      • jim1886

        How many power 5 head coaches have resigned & left the money, None.
        Look at Luke, our offensive line coach making 1 to 2 m a year. Now back in it at NC.
        The money is too lucrative to pass up until you get into your 70s & have more money than God, like Saban

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        • I agree it’s not something we’ve seen yet – but the days of making $10 million a year and being paid buyouts of $40-$50 million+ being a common thing have really just begun. I firmly believe it is something we will see happen. I haven’t added them up year by year but Richt probably made around $60 million in salary total as a head coach, over I think 17 years?

          As I outlined above, with the right buyout, you can do that in 3 years now. Why would you work for 17 and do all the headaches? Of course some will – but I think there will be a not-insignificant number of guys who walk away long before they would have in an earlier era. Kirby has already said he won’t coach anywhere near as long as Saban.

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  13. silverbritches02

    Yep. As someone living amongst them, their response to EVERYTHING is, “Because we’re Alabama.”

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    • ugafidelis

      The commenter “muttsaredumb” told us this very thing a couple of days ago.

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    • Opelikadawg

      Yep, the Gumps have always expected everything to go their way even before Saban when they weren’t very good. They simply cannot understand it when they don’t get special treatment. 2024 is going to be a very rude awakening for them.

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  14. I hope DeBoer has 24 hour security to prevent the first brick from being thrown through a window at his house.

    I have no idea if he’s going to be successful or not. It can’t be good to have his predecessor with an office in the building as athletic director of football operations, head coach emeritus, or whatever title Saban has.

    The guy has been a winner everywhere he has been. He has never dealt with the full contact sport that southern recruiting is. He will either be successful enough to get an NFL opportunity or will flame out in 3 years. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s the former but I’ll relish the Bammer tears if the latter.

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  15. realitycheckhere

    The loss of top performers in the portal is likely to be devastating in the first year especially. Alabama can’t replenish losses with SEC players but other SEC teams can take their players.

    Look at how the loss of starters impacted FSU. Alabama losses are likely to be worse.

    FTMF

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    • JoeDashDawg

      The portal opens again in the spring and the new coach can take as many transfers as he wants (like Deion last year) to fill out his roster. Will the quality be equal? Perhaps not – but the portal still swings both ways and plenty of kids still want to play for Alabama. But the angst among the fans is still pretty funny.

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      • realitycheckhere

        He can get players from the portal in the spring, but not from the SEC.

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      • miltondawg

        I agree that the angst among the fans is funny. And I can only roll my eyes about the Bama faithful gnashing teeth at the portal window being open for 30 days after hiring a new coach rule (as if it was instituted because Saban retired). That being said, I think that Bama will be fine. As you point out, when the portal opens in the Spring they’ll get their roster filled back up though the talent might not be like the safety or left tackle that just entered into the portal. I will not be surprised one bit if Bama is 10-2 or 9-3 and winds up in the expanded CFP next season.

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    • Harold Miller

      I was looking for a FTMF. Good work.

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  16. Possibly losing Caleb Downs to the portal has really hurt the Gumps. He has the potential to be Minkah Fitzpatrick good. Him roaming our secondary next year vs theirs could be the difference in a close game at Tuscaloosa.

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  17. CB

    Alabama was Tennessee and Auburn before Saban.

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    • Buck Etheridge

      They were less than Tennesee and Auburn before Saban.

      They had lost 6 in a row to Auburn and 10 of 12 to Tenn before the Saban hire.

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  18. stoopnagle

    Let’s all keep this in mind when Kirby decides to give up coaching, play golf, and motorboat around Lake Oconee all day.

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  19. ASEF

    It’s an interesting question. Some legendary coaches left (college basketball and football), and their programs hit the skids for years afterwards. it’s kind of taken as a given in some quarters.

    OTOH, Michigan State and LSU kept on rolling for years after Saban left. True, he didn’t leave those programs as a legend, but he obviously left a strong foundation behind him. Roster and organization. Propelled Miles and Orgeron to titles. Yes, those morons do have to share some credit.

    Even with all the transfers, Bama still has about a dozen 5 stars and about 5 dozen 4 stars. They’re still loaded.

    That said, get ready for Georgia to roll into T-Town a 7 point favorite next September. That game is going to be a war.

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  20. Ozam

    History highly suggests Alabama is going to have some very tough times.

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  21. Texas Dawg

    We’re going to have this same problem when Kirby decides to hang it up….in about 30 years.

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  22. uga97

    ~30 portal entries in 4 days.

    -Their class of 2025 commits has dropped to 2 remaining kids.

    the best blue chip 4 & 5 star talent from these two aforementioned points went to UGATexas Texas AM LSU Auburn & Ole Miss, all their competitors.

    -Reminder Deboer won on the Jrs & Sr recruiting classes signed by from Peterson. In fact, DeBoers last 2 signee classes were ranked almost twice lower than Peterson’s.

    -the GOAT & his staff are gone, Saban will be in Jupiter FL doing broadcast & media work from the new studio.

    Jimmie & Joe’s & coaching is where success in the SEC is made.

    Considering all this, DeBoer is starting out in 5th or 6th place and needs to work very hard quickly to get Bama back.

    We shall see if he’s the next Dan Mullen or Bryan Harsin or not, but right now it doesn’t look good for bama Nation and NIL donors are likely missed all those kids want even be retained by the $$.

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  23. Comin' Down The Track

    Man, I’m glad you’re back, Senator. I hope you are feeling better.
    Now, if my calculations are correct, the karmic retribution bill coming due for them and their 93 national championships dictates that they are due for a good, long wander in the desert for, oh let’s say, 93 years.

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  24. michaelaa09063f0c

    Will DeBoer be able to retain the SEC Officials?

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  25. Hogbody Spradlin

    Tough enchiladas!

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  26. Here’s to the hope that Saban casts a big a shadow over the program that Bear did for decades and pulls them down to the level of Nebraska.

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  27. Faltering Memory

    Senator, IMO, your best line is how discombobulated a middle ages man is realizing the Earth rotates around the Sun instead of the other way around. Bama fans will have to recognize the Tide revolves around CFB rather than the other way around. They will not be able to handle it.

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  28. cowetadawg

    Bama has a helluva schedule. DeBoar may navigate the team through without a regular season loss, but that’s not likely. When the loss happens, hoooo boy. And if it happens early, like earlier than when the Dawgs come to call? Well, there’s not enough popcorn to go around for that event.

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  29. RangerRuss

    Good to see you posting again Bluto. It’s also good to see all y’all replying. However, if this were the bar 30 years ago and all the conversation was about Bama? This is when Kimo and I head over to Coopers or Toppers.
    Suck it Gumps.

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  30. Nil Butron is a Pud

    Players went to Bama because Saban puts them in the NFL: 151 in the last 17 years (123 drafted + 28 undrafted free agents). This year, Bama had 72 players in the league – the leader for the 3rd year in a row.

    Deboer has placed 9 players in the NFL (4 drafted, 5 UDFA’s and some of those only played under him for a year). This year estimates are that UW will put ~8 in (players that he mostly didn’t recruit). So, 17ish total in 20+ years of coaching.

    Deboer may wind up being great, but he’s got a long way to go to convince players looking to go to the league to commit to him.

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  31. Bulldawg Bill

    If history has taught us anything, it’s that Bama has been through this before. The (forty) years in which they wandered in the “desert” between Bryant and Saban can either sober them up or, as with most, send ’em over the edge.

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  32. 69Dawg

    Of all the reactions I have had from my few Bama friends the T-Rob defection was the end of the world as they know it. He was the “recruiter” of 5 stars. The main man. That he left hurt but the fact he would not come back was the the icing on their turd.

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  33. I wouldn’t be so sure about the process being baked in just yet. There were signs the last few years under Saban that the attention to the smallest details had already begun to slip.

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  34. siskey

    I think DeBoer is a great coach. Of all the candidates he seems like the best as far as his track record, age and expertise on offense.
    Since he has been hired, I , like Bama fans have come to realize just what a gaping hole Saban leaves by retiring.
    DeBoer will out scheme and out coach a lot of the SEC especially the next year or two. However he’s destined to ultimately fail or at fall way short of the “online” Bama fans expectations because he isn’t Saban.
    Kirby has a chance these next 3-4 years to make this shit miserable for everyone in the country and I’m ready for it.:)
    I hope your health is improving everyday, Senator and thank you.

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  35. originaluglydawg

    I have a little different take on Saban’s persistence.
    The whole “Saban is still going to be around” is a ruse with a flimsy stage-set around it (an office..an occasional appearance for a little while) designed to keep recruits committed and help the new staff hang on to the allure of his aura. Yeah..they’ll keep up the ruse for awhile, but Saban will get frustrated when he sees something being done that isn’t classic “process” and will have to keep it to himself or interfere. If he interferes (even when encouraged or invited to) it will eat away at DeBoer’s standing.
    Saban is a smart man. He knows this. He’s going to be there just long enough to say “I did what I could”. Nick Saban doesn’t want to give the gumps any hint that he’s running a shadow government.

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  36. NotMyCrossToBear

    The bammers needed to be humbled a bit.

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    • originaluglydawg

      “a bit”? You’re being too kind to them. “greatly” is more like it.

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      • Derek

        The last time they were humbled greatly, they hired Saban.

        Let’s not do any of that again. Plus, they couldn’t beat Auburn when we needed them too. Just an all around shit show.

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        • akascuba

          Kirby’s 7-1 against Aubie. I have complete confidence he’ll never get tired of beating their asses. I’m just fine with Bama wandering in the wilderness of CFB again.

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          • Derek

            Like Tech rising on our falling prospects, Auburn will benefit the most from a complete collapse in T-town due to its proximity. That 7-1 record has been buoyed by Auburn’s current sucktitude. It helps that we’ve been good. It also helps that they ain’t. (I expect that we’ll get a handful of elite guys who we may have lost to Saban before, but so will many others. LSU, Texas, FSU, A&M will all get a windfall and it may well come in equal shares. Auburn will be better positioned to fight for in state talent, which isn’t insubstantial.)

            My preference is that alabama stay a nose ahead of Auburn or even with them. A 50/50 Iron Bowl where they fight annually over the right to go to Tampa would do fine. I don’t need a run of 3-9 seasons that would lead them to invest in a new and improved death star.

            Averaging 9-3, hating it, churning and burning coaches and huge buyouts, with no consensus back to long lost relevance is more than suitable.

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  37. SOWEGA_DAWG

    Welcome to the real world, MF’ers!

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  38. Texas Dawg

    Julian Sayin hitting the portal. The news gets better and better. The wheels may not be coming off, but the tires are getting bald, out of balance and alignment The engine is now sputtering, smoking and burning oil. Apparently, the warranty on the machine in Tuscaloosa has expired. I don’t feel sorry one bit. They ignored all those calls when they had the chance to extend that warranty.

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    • originaluglydawg

      But over in Birminham, just across the street from Protective Stadium…an SEC official picks up the phone, calls DeBoer and tells him not to worry..all of the officials are still onboard for Bama. Not one SEC ref has entered the transfer portal.

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  39. Butler T. Reynolds

    I’m not ready to write Alabama off yet. I think Bama will be fine with Deboer, though who knows? We’ve seen extremely promising coaches fall short of expectations before.

    I’m wary of people crowning Kirby the new king. I hope so, and it certainly might have been true if not for NIL and playoffs, but the world has changed and is about to change even more this Fall. It’s all a mess, so I don’t think we’ve seen the last of the changes, either.

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  40. Buck Etheridge

    If you look at the history of college football, there’s only one school that’s shown itself to be nearly invulnerable to down periods regardless of the coach, and it’s Ohio State. Bama’s going to come back down to earth even if they remain good.

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    • Derek

      Playing in the big10 helps. It was a 1 game schedule until Pedo U arrived in 1990. 2 game schedule since.

      There is no comparison between that conference and the sec.

      We’ve had 4 teams win multiple natties this century. They’ve had 1. The Big10’s no. 4 school would rarely qualify for a bowl game in the sec.

      Not suggesting I don’t respect them in 2024. My respect for them in the period between say 1970 and Tressel’s arrival is “not a lot.” Tressel and Urban did put a legit product out there.

      Ryan Day is a big ?. We’ll see.

      Instability in the sec is like throwing a wounded antelope onto the African savannah. Its likey gonna get ugly.

      If there is one thing that we should be very thankful for its the number of coaches we’ve had since LBJ. 5 coaches over that period is insane. Unlike our opposition, our fan base and leadership tends not to be impatient or entitled. The bandwagoners, couch coordinators and those who judge the program on the frequency of covering the spread notwithstanding, we tend to have relatively reasonable folks.

      I’m not doing the research, but I’d like to see who has the second fewest coaches since that time. It may be alabama and by my count they’re at 10.

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  41. Tony BarnFart

    Senator, have you checked on Eric with a K ?

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    • Derek

      Shoot him an email:

      https://www.rollbamaroll.com/authors/erik-evans

      Its public for a reason, right?

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      • Texas Dawg

        With all the shit that he has talked over the last few years, he should expect what’s headed his way. I doubt Bama craters, but a couple of off years (9-3, 8-4) are certainly possible if not probable. If that happens, internet retribution will be brutal and well deserved. I just hope we have some dedicated folks on here that will check in on him from time so as to keep us updated on his coming meltdown.

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  42. akascuba

    Bama’s schedule is back loaded other than our visit to Tuscaloosa. The first part of the season sets up well for a new team to find itself.

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  43. martyralives

    I’d be curious what metric you dog fans are using to think you have any chance of catching up to our level. Let’s look at some facts

    National Championships- Alabama 18. georgia 4

    SEC Titles- Alabama 30. georgia 14

    Series Record- Alabama leads 43-26-4

    There is no reality in which you are on our level and it’s not going to happen now.

    Face it folks, Alabama is Neiman Marcus

    georgia is Temu.

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    • Derek

      Didn’t make the trek to the Rattlesnake Rodeo in Opp this year, eh? Damn shame. It is Alabama’s off season event of the year.

      If we’re not still wacking off to Fishing Southeast Mississippi Magazine’s February 1927 National Championship edition, 97 years later, that’s a metric I can live with.

      There’s also the advantage of not having our self-worth tied to a football team because there happens to be not one single other thing within the state borders that doesn’t completely suck ass. Thank God for Mississippi, amirite?

      Btw: if 12 of those were under bear and saban and 5 more were before Truman was President, don’t you think just 1 more in the other 33 seasons of football since 1941 is somewhat unimpressive and because now you have neither bear or saban that you might consider shutting your cock holster?

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  44. dawgleg

    Enough room for them and UF. FTMF

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