Final thoughts on the Turman transfer

Bottom line from reading everyone’s comments over the last couple of days is that there’s a certain amount of missing the forest for the trees thinking going on in response to what’s happened.  Hear me out:

  • Smart’s on strong ground when he invokes the standard operating procedure defense.  He’s right to note that Georgia’s stance prior to his arrival was the outlier and that he is doing nothing more than taking things back to their normal order among the programs that are Georgia’s peers.
  • None of which changes the point that as policies go, chaining players to a program they no longer wish to play for is not the most defensible of things.  That the same coaches who push for player control have the freedom to move from one school to another makes it difficult to come up with compelling logic for the policy and I think we heard some of that awkwardness from Smart in yesterday’s presser.  (Not to mention that it’s kind of hard to reconcile the somber warnings about the dangers of player transfer with the excitement the Georgia staff displayed about Tyler Catalina’s decision to play his last year of college football in Athens.)
  • All that being said, Kirby Smart isn’t being paid to be intellectually consistent.  He’s being paid to direct a football program in a manner that maximizes winning without violating established rules.  As long as he’s doing that, it’s not worth giving him too much grief for following the herd, even if it’s something Mark Richt avoided.
  • Which also isn’t to say it isn’t a dickish move on his part.  But the more I think about it, I don’t believe Smart is trying to be a dick with his players, something that isn’t consistent with his approach to coaching.  I do believe, however, he is trying to be a dick with Greg McGarity.  And that he’s doing with purpose and for good reason.
  • Remember, this is a job Smart’s been preparing for over a period of some time.  He’s also been in an environment for the past nine years where preparation rules.  So when the opportunity finally arose when the Georgia job came open and was offered to him, it’s hard to believe that Kirby Smart didn’t do his homework.  A program with the resources available that under-performed is a program that a sharp guy like Smart is going to ask questions about before taking.  And who better to ask the questions that needed to be asked than Smart’s good friend Mike Bobo?
  • Yes, I’m speculating like crazy out of my hindquarters, but I doubt someone as thorough as Kirby Smart didn’t do his due diligence.  And I doubt that someone like Mike Bobo wasn’t able to let Smart know what he was getting into.
  • By that, I mean what we lovingly refer to here as the Georgia Way.  Kirby, I expect, had a very good picture of the dysfunction that marked much of the relationship between the athletic department and the football staff during the course of Richt’s term as he went into contract negotiations with Greg McGarity.
  • What we’re seeing now is territory marking, plain and simple.  Keep in mind that by Kirby’s own admission yesterday, it wasn’t necessary to announce a change in transfer policy, as Turman isn’t interested in going to either Florida or Miami.  Yet Smart thought it necessary to announce the change and then spend a considerable amount of time at his press conference explaining why.  Like it or not, he’s comfortable owning it and wants everyone to know that.
  • But that’s only half of the story.  The other part is that the new direction has forced Greg McGarity to come up with an even lamer explanation for his change of heart from a mere year ago when he chastised Georgia Tech for blocking the transfer of a basketball player to Fox’ program while patting his back for allowing J.J. Green to play for the genius on the Flats.  The result of that is most of the criticism has been deflected away from Smart, who, after all, changed the policy, to McGarity, who looks insincere.  Take, for example, this observation from Bruce Feldman:  “This is quite the 180 by Georgia and by McGarity, especially, which makes him look very hypocritical… I get why Smart is changing many things about how Georgia football does business. It’s his program now… It’s just a bad look for McGarity and another bad look for big-time college sports.”
  • In the end, Smart comes off like a coach who’s taking control of a program in need of more control and McGarity comes off looking weak and inconsistent.  If you’re Kirby Smart and you’re trying to find a way to marginalize the athletic director who made life difficult for your predecessor – who got fired after fifteen years, by the way – it’s hard to see what just happened as anything less than a complete victory. And if Smart indeed manages to pull off a remake and take the program to the next level, I expect the end result will be to reduce Greg McGarity’s role to little more than the guy who signs the checks when Kirby puts them in front of him.

Kirby Smart is prying control of the football program away from Butts-Mehre.  That is definitely not the Georgia Way.  Even if, like me, you’re not happy with the lever he used this time to kick start that process, if that result is something you think needs to happen, even partially, to drag Georgia football out of where it’s been recently, then this isn’t a totally bad thing.  Anyway, that’s how I see it for now.  Your mileage may vary, obviously.

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61 responses to “Final thoughts on the Turman transfer

  1. anon

    Instead of Kirby having to justify his position on this maybe we should ask the AD to justify the previous policy?

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    • I’m sorry… you think it’s a good thing to restrict player transfers?

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      • anon

        Go ahead Prepare yourself mentally for when he cancels “swimming pool week” this fall. The insanity.

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        • Nice dodge. One’s got nothing to do with the other.

          I know it’s hard for you, but try separating the transfer policy from your dislike of Richt.

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          • anon

            I’m for a policy that gives the HC at Uga the best chance to achieve his goals. If Kirby thinks this helps his cause then I’m all for it. If richt thought otherwise then good for him. I don’t find either policy that bothersome really. Certainly not a dickish move as you call it. never have I disliked richt, maybe coach richt, but not richt personally. P

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            • If Kirby thinks this helps his cause then I’m all for it. If richt thought otherwise then good for him. I don’t find either policy that bothersome really.

              Then why do you ask for McGarity to justify his previous stance on transfers?

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  2. ZeroPointZero

    The notion that coaches can leave a program without penalty isn’t exactly a given. Just ask Colorado and UF. There was a good chunk of change exchanged there. And let’s not forget the third party involved here, the schools. Ask LSU if there are penalties for getting rid of a coach. Players pay with time and well written coaching contracts pay with dollars. I’m not saying it’s a fair scenario. I’m just keeping this conversation honest.

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  3. Turd Ferguson

    Unless there’s something about this story that I’m missing, it sure seems like there’s a huge difference between (a) barring players from transferring to a few other programs (of hundreds) and (b) “chaining players to a program they no longer wish to play for.”

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    • Go-kart Mozart

      +1 to this. I was going to post something nearly identical to this. I’m not quite sure what Bluto meant by that regarding Turman, but Turman is/was by no means “chained” to UGA. And, by Turman’s own admission, he didn’t want to go to either UF or Miami, so by going to any school other than those two means he wouldn’t be chained to a school he disliked.

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      • What I meant when I said “Keep in mind that by Kirby’s own admission yesterday, it wasn’t necessary to announce a change in transfer policy, as Turman isn’t interested in going to either Florida or Miami.” is that Kirby was just using Turman’s situation to draw a line in the sand.

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  4. Timphd

    While I tend to fall on the side of letting players transfer, I do see one side of the argument of not allowing a player to follow a former coach, especially one who was fired. What would prevent that coach, should he be the type to do it, from trying to re-recruit his players? That could potentially devastate the team for the incoming guy if they can up and leave without limit. While I would never suspect Richt of that type of response, I can see where an incoming guy would want to protect against that in other cases. Again, I am most on the side of free transfers, but that argument holds some water to me for the guy who is going to be trying to hold together a team that was probably pretty loyal to the predecessor.

    The biggest point in all this to me though is the Senator’s points about gaining control and not being handicapped by GM. I think Kirby is determined to run his program the way he saw it done in Alabama. For example, if I remember right they started building the indoor facility in Bama before it had been approved. I suspect Kirby wants that kind of “support” from his administration and is bound and determined to get it. Good for Kirby.

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    • FisheriesDawg

      If you’re Kirby and you trust Richt not to raid your cabinet, why worry about precedent? The next guy to be in that scenario would be South Carolina head coach Kirby Smart. There certainly aren’t any other former Georgia head coaches who would pose this problem for you. Last I checked, Donnan’s guys were all out of eligibility.

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      • Timphd

        While I trust Richt, maybe Kirby doesn’t?

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        • Kirby is basically saying to y’all, if y’all like to win then don’t give a shit about these things as fans, complain to that Coke bottle, end of the story. I’m not running a school of divinity here folks.

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  5. Dr. Marion Herb

    Win at all cost.

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  6. SWGADAWG

    Let’s just be honest. it’s all happy talk about a coach in control until he loses a game and “underachieves”. That’s the real Georgia Way. Oh and by the way, ADGM should have been long gone for his work with the rest of the Athletic Program.

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  7. Derek

    I’m not disagreeing with any of the post but I still say posturing the issue on “possible tampering” is “smarter” than “possible player dissatisfaction.”

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  8. Debby Balcer

    There were better levers. I hope Thurman really did not want to go to Miami or UF.

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  9. anon

    The humorless and thin-skinned rarely grasp sarcasm

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  10. Mayor

    Anything that takes away B-M’s control of the football program, even incrementally, is a good thing. More power to you, Kirby.

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  11. Normaltown Mike

    I’m fascinated by the “McGarity the skinflint & program undermining svengali” narrative (and Senator, I’m not saying you promote it).

    When CMR takes a position that UGA doesn’t need an IPF and doesn’t need to restrict transfers, McGarity supports his coach.

    When Pruitt convinces CMR that IPF is really important, McGarity supports his coach.

    When CKS changes the transfer policy, McGarity…wait for it….supports his coach.

    I think there’s a trend but I’m not smart enough to spot it.

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    • Just curious: what was the trend around the Belk Bowl?

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      • Normaltown Mike

        that our coach had peaked years before and was never going to reach the program’s potential.

        McGarity has a boss too. And making one’s boss happy is part of your job.

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        • that our coach had peaked years before and was never going to reach the program’s potential.

          Then why didn’t he grow a pair and can Richt then?

          If you want to believe that B-M’s stewardship of the football program has been nothing but benign, that’s your privilege. I can tell you plenty of folks with direct knowledge of the situation would disagree.

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          • anon

            I’ve consistent on this. He should have been fired after the central Florida bowl loss.

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          • Normaltown Mike

            I don’t think McG could fire CMR when Jere wanted to keep him. That’s doesn’t make him a pansy, in my opinion. But reasonable minds can differ.

            “If you want to believe that B-M’s stewardship of the football program has been nothing but benign, that’s your privilege. I can tell you plenty of folks with direct knowledge of the situation would disagree”

            I don’t dispute that assertion, though I know nothing on that subject. I just happen to believe that CMR could have “grown a pair” (in the parlance of your post) to get the football program farther along than he had for many years. I liked CMR and did not want him gone. But the wet farts year in and year out were not an administrative bug caused by McG.

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            • I’m not saying that Richt didn’t deserve his fate. His passivity really came back to bite him in the ass in 2015. But a competent AD would have led the program in a much different way over the past few years.

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              • Normaltown Mike

                agree.

                It’s interesting, I was loathe to change for fear of a dumpster fire and b/c the “fire Richt” crowd was so insufferable, but the further we’re removed from CMR the greater my conviction that it wasn’t going to happen with him.

                Now go book a flight to Chicago you Wahoo!

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        • lakedawg

          Think we all know who really calls the shots on McGarity and it is not the school president.

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  12. Macallanlover

    With a couple of hundred choices to make, limiting it to conference teams, and those on your immediate schedule is hardly chaining them to a program. I don’t understand the Miami exclusion, nor do I understand only FU being named. That is where KS looks like a dick, imo. Richt was too soft on this, imo, but he was at least consistent. Smart looks too soft and picked two teams out of the blue, which shows no consistency. Why not FSU or GT or if he were going to name an ACC school? GT is on our schedule and FSU is a bigger recruiting treat than Miami.

    If he wants to challenge the school’s authority and challenge something that really matters, how about taking on the underage drinking arrest when no violence, driving risk, or resisting arrest is involved?

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    • With a couple of hundred choices to make, limiting it to conference teams, and those on your immediate schedule is hardly chaining them to a program.

      Mac, you’re pretending Turman’s story is typical. Go back in the archives here and look at some of the stories I’ve posted about, like what Kansas State pulled on that lady BB player.

      And, again, I don’t hear anyone complaining about Tyler Catalina screwing over Rhode Island. I wonder why that is…

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  13. Russ

    Good summary, Senator. I still think calling out Miami was a little petty-looking, but I can understand the reasoning.

    If this is a move that helps Kirby stamp the program as his, then good for him. I do agree that it probably wasn’t a snap judgement from Kirby, especially since Turman said he wanted to transfer back in January.

    When can we start talking about QBR?

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  14. South FL Dawg

    That’s a pretty objective post. Let’s rehash:

    Opposing coaches would recruit other schools’ current players if not for the rules. Just look at the offers for players that graduate with eligibility left.
    CKS is doing what he is allowed to do to protect the program. More importantly, he is signaling what he will do in case anybody gets any ideas.
    What a player wants is at best a secondary consideration. Emphasize “at best” because it need not be considered at all.
    Greg McGarity should learn to say nothing to the media, which is better than having to do an about face and coming off as a hypocrite.
    Good luck to AJ Turman. The kid has talent or we wouldn’t have signed him in the first place; hopefully he gets to show it. He’s a good example why transfers are necessary.

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    • If McGarity can’t be trusted not to look like a dumbass every time he speaks to the media, the answer is finding an AD who can–not hiding the AD who can’t from the media.

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  15. Good post Senator. If I were GM, I would have just said : ” Hey, I agree with the way CMR did things, but I hired Kirby Smart to run this football program and as long as he stays within the rules, he has the freedom to run it as he likes.” Then he would not look like such a chump.

    As far as transfers go, the players have to sit out a year, that is punishment enough. Let them go wherever they want. When it’s a close call, I like to come down on the side of freedom. Just a pet peeve of mine. ( And it’s not really a close call.)

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  16. After this weekend’s 50 best freshman players in Georgia “getting to know us and you recruitment day” I do not see any other big deal that has transpired. I’m really surprised how the issue on Thurman was such a big deal to some. I’m just looking more to what first of a kind stuff he can do in the future to further the cause of the football team.

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  17. No One Knows You're a Dawg

    Great post.

    “House of Cards-UGA” will be interesting to watch going forward.

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  18. He now has an arrest to deal with let see if Georgia keeps some class with players have repercussion for there actions or if it is just a slap on the wrist making Georgia just another THUG U. like the rest of the powerhouse schools {Felon State U. Parole Tide etc etc etc }

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    • I guess you have not heard how the Nerds refer to the Dawg’s as thUGA. That’s nothing new. Those references really does not matter unless one has a very thin skin. Name calling are all part of rivalries in athletics and even in academics between or among schools, nothing new there.

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  19. W Cobb Dawg

    “And I doubt that someone like Mike Bobo wasn’t able to let Smart know what he was getting into.”

    Not just Bobo. Pruitt & Smart shared an office for a while recently, not to mention Pruitt was a bama assistant under Smart for a few years. I’d also add Smart was an assistant at UGA for a year. Kirby had a fairly thorough knowledge of UGA.

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  20. Al

    Senator, if the SEC does indeed have a rule banning in-conference transfers as Kirby stated, then what was the point of specifically naming Florida in A.J. Turman’s restriction?

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  21. If all these years at Bama taught Smart anything, it would be, be in total control. Not only over rhe AD, but the power boosters, who helped you get hired and all fans. One thing will do this. Winning a national championship. Then rhe power boosters will not care , as they will have a trophy to play with and sleep with and one to brag about. No longer will they have to sit in the corner at the party. Do not win big and ? for Snart?

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