Not giving up without a fight

Considering the source, this is a helluva quote:

“We know how important this game is. The single most important event that happens in Jacksonville each year is not a Jaguars game, it’s the Georgia-Florida game.”

It’s not from the mayor.  It’s from the president of the Jacksonville Jaguars.

“From the first day that Shad Khan purchased the Jaguars, we made it very clear to the universities of Georgia and Florida and the Gator Bowl that our view of those games was 180 degrees different than the previous ownership of the Jaguars,” Mark Lamping, president of the Jaguars, told The Atlanta Journal-Constitution on Thursday. “The previous owners felt the Gator Bowl and the annual Georgia-Florida game was an inconvenience that the NFL team would just as soon not have to deal with. We said from the beginning we feel just the opposite.

That’s not just cheap talk, either.

Lamping said the Jaguars have been planning the Jacksonville project “in earnest” for the past three years and have kept Georgia and Florida in the loop every step of the way. School officials were shown detailed renderings at the most recent meeting in March.

“I can say that we received very positive feedback from both of the universities,” Lamping said. “They were appreciative, first, that we took the time to ask their opinion, and then that we were respectful enough to show them what we were thinking about before going forward.”

What the schools will be more appreciative of, naturally, will be the revenue stream from the game.  Just ask someone who should know.

… Based on the terms of the current contract, which includes an option to extend through 2025, each team makes about $4.5 million a year. UGA typically averages about $4 million in revenue per home game, but would make that only every other year in the case of a home-and-home arrangement with the Gators.

That’s a $25 million difference – $45 million versus $20 million – over a 10-year period. Meanwhile, it actually costs SEC teams about $500,000 to travel to away games. The Jacksonville contract pays all travel costs for both teams.

“It’s significant revenue, I don’t care what your budget is,” McGarity said. “It will always produce more revenue to play a neutral-site game, but you’re also talking about a game that has historical value and a strong television presence.”

McGarity believes that leaving Jacksonville isn’t a hill Kirby Smart is prepared to die on.

“I always respected Kirby’s argument from the perspective of a football coach,” McGarity said. “But decisions have to be made on what’s best for the institution, which takes into consideration all your sports. And Kirby’s not going to leave the University of Georgia because he has to play in Jacksonville. He understands finances. I used to joke with him: ‘We’ll just take $2 million out of a football recruiting.’”

I doubt the math has changed for Josh Brooks.

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47 responses to “Not giving up without a fight

  1. PTC DAWG

    I agree with McGarity.

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    • Nil Butron is a Pud

      Yeah…I need a shower…

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      • jhorne2000

        Can anyone explain why a neutral site game always produces more revenue? I have never understood that. TV is TV. Tickets are tickets, hotdogs etc ….

        I get that Jacksonville is chipping in here , but couldn’t Athens & Gainesville chip in also ? Why don’t they fight for the game ?

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        • otto1980

          I can see the Athens residents complaining about millions of dollar being spent to pay Florida to come to Athens……

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          • jhorne2000

            I’d like to think the economic value of 90K fans in Athens or Gainesville can compete with 70k in Jacksonville. It shouldn’t be too hard of a sell…. home cities will profit just like Jacksonville does

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            • Athens and Gainesville don’t have the tax base that Jax does.

              If they could pony up the same dough, you’d never see another neutral site game again.

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              • jhorne2000

                I really don’t know the economics of why Jacksonville pays for the game. I just assume, like all things, it makes a profit on the investment. That assumption should also be true for Athens & Gainesville.

                Does Jacksonville having a higher tax base mean that they have more to gain from the game than Athens or Gainesville? It’s hard for me to see how that would be true.

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                • otto1980

                  You more than 70k fans coming to town for the game, many don’t make the game. They come for the party or some of the family stay at the beach while others go to the game. I went to the beach many WLOCP and stayed at the condo with family while my parents and uncle went to the game.

                  It’d be interesting to see just the spike in revenue from alcohol sales for the WLOCP weekend.

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                • otto1980

                  You have more

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            • tiredofidsearch

              It’s not just Jacksonville, a lof of coastal south Georgia gets a huge $ infusion from the game. Not everyone stays in Jax.

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          • Down Island Way

            Couple of things here, watching, feeling, touching UGA football trash FU by half a hundred at Sanford is priceless, if you hired corch, you can’t be trusted, UGA grad who was a ball boy/manger for UGA tennis and let both storied programs down for no reason, whipping boy Greg has zero cred….GO DAWGS!!

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          • whb209

            Josh,
            ‘We’ll just take $2 million out of a football recruiting.’”
            I would buy a ticket to see the fight between Kirby and Josh regarding that little statement.

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        • Ticket prices are higher which makes the distribution per school higher. Throw in that the city kicks in extra to keep the game to Jacksonville.

          No one who wants to see the Florida game on campus long-term has answered the question why Texas and Oklahoma are keeping their game in Dallas.

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        • Dylan Dreyer's Booty

          In my mind, the reason that neither Athens nor Gainesville will fight for the game is that neither one will get it on an annual basis. Jax (or Atlanta, or some other city in the footprint) is big enough and the crowds and TV is lucrative enough that they can make money from it and *still pay the schools more net (because they pay travel expenses) so there is no upside for either Athens or Gainesville to fight for it. That situation is always going to be home and away. They can only get half (if that) of what Jax gets. I know math is difficult, but in this case not so much.

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        • Tim B

          If neutral site games bring so much more money, why not move all the marquis games?

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          • Because not all marquee games have the value that the Cocktail Party does. The cities involved have to see the value, and the schools have to see it as well.

            I think it was Gaskill who asked why did Auburn and Georgia (as well as the Iron Bowl) move their game from Columbus to campus (he knew why). Both schools had stadiums that sat more by that time and Columbus couldn’t afford to keep the game.

            While the stadium in Jacksonville is smaller than either Sanford or BHG, the schools can charge more for tickets than they could under their season ticket arrangements, and Jacksonville can pay up to make it worth it for the schools to play there … just like Dallas does at the Cotton Bowl.

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    • akascuba

      Dam never thought I’d feel that way too.

      I’d pay to see McGarity tell Kirby we’ll take 2 million out of recruiting to move the game.

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  2. Texas Dawg

    The game may eventually get moved permanently, but JAX is not going down without a fight.

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    • akascuba

      I hope the location out lives me. I never want to see it moved. There was that single weak moment under CMR driving back home after another epic fail. I got better it pasted.

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  3. Biggen

    With the upcoming renovations (’25-’26, I feel like next year will be the last year of the WLOCP. Once Kirby gets it as a home game in 2026 and loads it up with ten 5* recruits all on official visits, I don’t believe UGA would move it back to Jax.

    On a related note, how the hell does it take 2 years to renovate a stadium?? You could build one from the ground up in less than that time.

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    • munsonlarryfkajim

      Spot on with your first comment

      I’ve said the last couple years that with all the change happening in football that the game in jax was a dead man walking. The stadium Reno is the final nail in the coffin

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      • If all of this change is why the Cocktail Party is dead (and no, it won’t be the Cocktail Party if played on campus for the long term – it will be the Florida game), why are Oklahoma and Texas committed to keeping the Red River Shootout in Dallas?

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        • Hell, Texas and OU play in the dump of the Cotton Bowl as opposed to Jerry World.

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          • munsonlarryfkajim

            I can’t speak to Texas and OU. But Kirby is looking for an excuse to change this game and this is just what he needs to get his way

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            • But what does he want to change it to? I can’t tell which side of the debate you are on based on your comment. The Cocktail Party is unique and the recruiting angle with the game is in its uniqueness. That’s why I ask the question about Texas and Oklahoma. They have embraced it.

              I don’t get Kirby’s angle because it doesn’t make sense, and messing with this puts him in a situation where a lot of people are going to say, “You got your way. Now in exchange, the failure to win the national championship every year means the season is a failure.”

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          • Russ

            And the Cotton Bowl is a glorious place to watch a game. No bad site lines, crowd is all mixed together, just tradition. I wish the old Gator Bowl was still around.

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    • Are those 10 5-stars all coming on the same weekend? Are they all going to commit? Would they have come to Georgia otherwise?

      Recruiting isn’t going to win this. Money is. As long as the money flows in, the game isn’t going to move.

      I don’t think Kirby wants to turn a portion of the fan base into “natty or bust” fans this way. That’s what he’ll do with this Georgia fan if he gets his way on this.

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      • Biggen

        All I’m saying is he will pull out all the stops to show BM/Athens what they are missing in recruiting and local tax revenue by attending a neutral game every year. I wouldn’t put it past Kirby to throw a damn parade whilst walking around the community telling businesses “This is why I want this game in town! Look at business you guys get now!!”

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        • The Athens community knows exactly what the economic impact of the game would be. See Tennessee last year or Notre Dame in 2019. People aren’t going to flood Athens or Hogtown without tickets the way they do Jacksonville (neither place has the capacity to do it).

          Kirby doesn’t give a damn about the economic impact on Athens. Otherwise, he wouldn’t play Clemson in Atlanta or Charlotte. He flat out took a home game away from us last year with Oregon.

          He wants the game for recruiting nothing more, nothing less … to be able to host recruits on official visits, period. He has provided the public no data or evidence that recruiting would be better. If he gets his way, he is saying that the Cocktail Party is the only thing separating us from total CFB domination. That’s the standard I plan to hold him to.

          All of this from someone who holds season tickets but doesn’t go to Jacksonville (even though I ordered this year just in case).

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    • Dylan Dreyer's Booty

      “…how the hell does it take 2 years to renovate a stadium?? You could build one from the ground up in less than that time.”

      It’s always easier and quicker, and often enough cheaper to build from the ground up than to renovate. But dynamiting that place and removing the debris is costly, too. We often tear down a building and start over, but usually we want a different structure when we do that. Without seeing what the plans are it’s hard to say why they are willing to keep the basic structure. From the first time I went to game there ’78 or ’79 I thought the stadium itself was a dump. On the other hand, the location and the tailgate experience is unparalleled.

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    • tiredofidsearch

      Don’t think it will have any impact on recruiting. Having the game in Jax has not hurt our recruiting one bit.
      If it’s such a big deal, why does Kirby like/want to schedule these non conference neutral site games ?
      I wholeheartedly agree with giving Kirby what he wants to get us/keep us in the promised land, but on this particular topic I call BS.

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  4. Dawg in Austin

    Haha, Greg. So funny.

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  5. jim1886

    Who gives a shit about what McGarity thinks.

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  6. Hobnail_Boot

    Fine, you win. We keep the annual road game because tradition.

    Equine abuse at this point.

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    • LOL. They’re not keeping the game in Jax because of tradition — unless by tradition you mean maximizing football revenue.

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      • The thing is Jacksonville does both – maintains tradition and maximizes revenue.

        Kirby isn’t and has never been a fan (he’s admitted as much in interviews about growing up in Bainbridge). He’s a coach who happened to play and graduate from UGA. I doubt he ever went to Jacksonville for the game until he stepped on the field the first time.

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    • ugafidelis

      He’s got to keep that hit c9unt climbing somehow. 😉 j/k Senator!

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    • I didn’t know we only have 6,000 fans in the stadium. What they can do with video and audio editing now makes it look like there are about 40-50k fans in red & black making the same noise 90k do in Athens is amazing.

      Reality is that the team gets to Jacksonville in about the same time by plane direct from Athens in the same time as the Gators do by bus. They are back in Athens 4 hours or so after the game ends on Saturday night. The idea it’s a permanent road game is a total red herring now.

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  7. Gaskilldawg

    The hotel and sales tax money generated in Athens for a home game against Florida will not be as much as it generates to Jacksonville-Duvall County. There is not nearly as much hotel inventory in Clarke County as there is in Duvall County. Florida, so.a lot fewer fans would be staying in local hotels. Even if there suddenly became more hotel rooms in Clarke then all those Atlanta folks who have to pay for 3 nights in Duvall County have the option of sleeping at home each night of the GameDay weekend.

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    • Ding, ding, ding. Winner, winner, chicken dinner.

      The economic impact of one additional home game is what it is. Most of the Handbags would likely stay in Atlanta or even Macon.

      Is there a benefit? Sure, but it isn’t like the impact on Duval, St. Johns and Nassau County, Florida and Glynn County, Georgia.

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      • otto1980

        Exactly and my post had some snark.

        Growing up Jax was a 3 day weekend for us with Friday spent at the beach. We drove down Thursday night and ate out every meal.

        The hand bags are in decline, if it goes home and away look for this to devolve into a noon kickoff. Florida won’t generate more money for Athens than Kentucky.

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    • tiredofidsearch

      And remember a lot of Georgia fans stay on the coast in Georgia so that $ is staying in state.

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      • You hit on a point here. We have so many fans (and Georgians in general) now that believe anything south of I-20 (and especially south of the gnat line) isn’t even Georgia. Oh, they go to the beach in St. Simons or Sea Island (for extremely well-heeled) or to Savannah for a long weekend (Lake Oconee – Reynolds, in particular – is close enough to qualify as Georgia), but as a native South Georgian, the idea of the Florida game as “our game” is real. You take that away … I wonder how many South Georgian season ticket holders and Magill Society members tell Josh Brooks to stick his Hartman Fund and Magill pledge up his back side.

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  8. ApalachDawg aux Bruxelles

    money talks and…

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  9. W Cobb Dawg

    Greg Mediocrity: “we’ll just take $2 million out of football recruiting.”

    Kirby: Next guy who walks down the hall is your replacement. Well, well, if it isn’t Josh Brooks’ lucky day.

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  10. bluesox35

    As a life long resident of South Georgia I can tell you the fan base in this area is greatly expanded because of that game. It should also be noted that the Jacksonville Bulldog Club was the largest club for several years. I’m not sure if this remains the case but it is something to consider. I have to ask if the game was moved to home and home would South Georgia/North Florida be as easy to recruit as it current is today? I say that because I’m not sure any of the Baileys would have been Dawgs without that game. As for the economics, Athens can’t touch the dollars contributed by Jacksonville unless it wants to lose money. Jacksonville has seen several hotel projects completed in the last twenty years thanks to hosting a Super Bowl which has caused more fans to stay in the metro area. St Simons remains popular but not nearly as many fans stay on the island as past years because on a greater number of rooms available in Jacksonville. Consider this impact along with resterant, alcohol, and other sales and you are talking millions of dollars impacting Duval County through bed/sales taxes and you understand why the amount given to each school continues to rise. I say keep the WLOCP in place just let the schools host recruits. There are already enough traditions going away.

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