Another one in the books: random signing day thoughts

The usual caveat to everything that follows:  just like everyone else on the planet, there’s no way I can pass final judgment on what Georgia brought in yesterday for at least a couple of years.  But since everyone else on the planet has no problem pontificating about what yesterday means right now, who am I to pass on laying a few bullet points on you?

  • If you’re someone who fervently believes that any recruiting class starts and ends with the big uglies, you’ve got to be a fairly happy camper today.  Georgia signed four offensive linemen, all with good length (none shorter than 6-foot-5).  And the defensive line class is flat-out ridiculous.
  • Speaking of which, it’s kind of hard to believe that Trent Thompson is the first Richt signee who was a No.-1 ranked prospect by any of the recruiting services.
  • Terry Godwin said he actually made his decision of Georgia over Auburn and Alabama on Monday night and nobody leaked that before his ceremony last night?  I’m impressed.
  • Godwin isn’t the biggest kid, but he is talented – way too talented to redshirt.  It will be interesting to see what Schottenheimer does with him.
  • The other area of need that the staff did a fine job reinforcing was the secondary.  Seven players marked for that side of the ball immediately signed, topped off by Rico McGraw rejoining the fold.  Again, there appears to be a massive infusion of size and skill with this class.  You have to think just in terms of sheer numbers that Pruitt’s able to pluck at least a couple of kids out of this group and plug them into 2015’s two-deep.
  • Biggest disappointment was at wide receiver, where Van Jefferson and Darius Slayton walked away.  You wonder how much of the “Nick Chubb will be Georgia’s offense” negative recruiting talk had an impact.  Jefferson, in particular, struck me as polished enough to step in and play this season.  That being said, it’s not like the Dawgs were completely shut out there.  In addition to Godwin, there’s some good size coming in.
  • Georgia may not have locked the borders, but Richt did okay where it counts, per Weiszer:  “Georgia signed five of the top seven prospects from within its own borders, according to Rivals: Thompson, Godwin, outside linebacker Natrez Patrick from Atlanta, safety Rashad Roundtree from Evans and defensive lineman Jonathan Ledbetter from Tucker.”  Do that every year and I doubt anyone will complain.
  • That being said, about half of Georgia’s class came from out of state.  That’s a little higher than Richt prefers, but sometimes you go where the most talent and interest lie.  (By the way, 2016 shapes up as a very deep year, talent-wise, in state.)
  • It’s a heavily weighted class towards defense, which makes sense because (1) that’s where the greater need to restock lay; (2) Georgia is loaded at running back and (3) the quarterback situation between the youth already on campus and Jacob Park Eason coming in next year wasn’t exactly inviting to blue chip talent.  So take a little of that into account if you’re pouting over the team recruiting rankings.
  • I’ll say it again – a 29-kid class (with the possibility of going to 30 if Roquan Smith decides to come to Athens) with talent is the biggest part of this year’s recruiting story.  Mark Richt is gaining control of roster management.  Now, coach ’em up and keep ’em in school, and we’ll really have something to build on.

Let’s hear what you guys think in the comments.

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73 responses to “Another one in the books: random signing day thoughts

  1. KornDawg

    Actually, Jacob Park is there, Jacob Eason comes in next year.

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  2. George

    Anybody see Godwin play? I’ve heard so much about him, but not much film on him. Just curios to know what player he most resembles.

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    • James Stephenson

      I saw him beat Cedartown this year. He was playing QB and CB. And thank God he did not go to Auburn, where they would probably have moved him to QB. He is fast, elusive and has good hands.

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    • Piper

      i’ve had the sense just reading about him that he’s percy harvey type player.

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    • I saw my former high school beat his team for the region championship in the final game of the regular season. One of the greatest endings I’ve ever seen in my lifetime of sports. Actually, the entire game was good. It was just where a massive defensive struggle turned into 35 points in the final 5 minutes, turned into Callaway lining up to kick a game winner from the 5, with 2 seconds left, and having it blocked and returned 98 yards for my home team win.

      But, yeah, Godwin was easily the best player on the field. I think he played everything but lineman. It would be hard to evaluate him at any one position because he didn’t play one that long, though I do expect him to play DB or WR at Georgia. He exemplifies the ATHLETE title in the recruiting.

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  3. Piper

    they did convince a rivals three-star qb from california to come as a preferred walk-on. i think that’s pretty impressive. nick robinson

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    • I too am excited about this, I think it is impressive that he would come cross country just to have the chance to be coached by CMR and staff. His stats look very much like Masons in TD/INT. Always room on the roster for a heady game manager.

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  4. “Do that every year and I doubt anyone will complain.”

    Have you met our fan base 🙂

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  5. Tn Dawg

    As you stated Senator, it will be a while before the results are in. Lookin’ good tho.

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  6. Russ

    I thought Crowell was a number one recruit? Or was that just in Georgia?

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  7. JCDAWG83

    Not much to be unhappy about with this class. You can’t sign every kid and you have to fill your needs. It looks to me like we did extremely well in filling the most pressing needs. Next year we will probably have a very offense heavy class.

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    • Cosmic Dawg

      This is how I felt. For what we need right now, this class is about as good as you could ask. The defensive line was the problem against the run last year (Florida, oof!), I believe, and we sure got some help there. We got some guys who may work out on the OL, would have been nice to get another star or two beside some of those OL names, but ah well.

      The WR defections hurt the most, I think. We may not feel it quite so much this year, but would have been great to have some more WR’s learning the system this year…we’ve got all these great quarterbacks, I hope they have somebody to throw it to in 2016. With the QB talent, I’m surprised more of those kids didn’t sign on.

      ps – where the heck is Ivey Leaguer? I miss his posts.

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      • AusDawg85

        Early betting line on attrition at one position this off season? WR…of course. Maybe Tony Ball should cover them in bubble wrap and lock ’em up for safe-keeping.

        P.S. There are rumors of Ivey and Will Trane hunting Bigfoot together in Montana.

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        • Skeptic Dawg

          Ivey always had great knowledge of what was going on at practice, in addition to insight into the coaching staff. Following the bouncing ball of logic…Ivey is Mike Bobo!!!!!

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  8. From what I have read, sounds like we did a good job. The emphasis on OL, DL, and secondary was vital. I’ve always felt our staff did a solid job recruiting. If anything, the only problem was not bringing in enough OLs and DBs, and then having a weak S&C program to help kids develop.

    When you’re getting top 10 ranked recruiting classes consistently, you’ve got plenty of talent to make the magic happen. Then it is all about coaching them up.

    Other than undersigning or signing way too few people at certain positions, I’ve never had any problems or gripes with our recruiting.

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    • 3rdandGrantham

      OL recruiting?

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      • Yeah, not getting enough OL has been a problem in the past. We’ve recruited some good ones though, just not enough.

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        • 3rdandGrantham

          I think we’re badly underecruited both in quality and quantity. If you go back and look at our OL recruiting over the past 10 years, you’ll notice mostly 3 star guys that very few top programs wanted, with only a few 4 star ones that seemingly were on everyone’s radar.

          For whatever reason, CMR and co. have badly dropped the ball when it comes to addressing OL. Heck, until last year’s unit, you’d have to go all the way back to the ’02 season to find an OL that would be considered one of our strengths.

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          • Agreed. I think a big part of the problem at OL has also been our embarrassingly substandard S&C program.

            We combined:

            1) Not enough OL to increase our odds of finding true stars.
            2) Not enough of the top OL.
            3) Poor S&C Program to develop them.

            That’s not a winning formula for having a great offensive line.

            It would appear we may have improved both 1 and 2, and maybe 3.

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            • They have had a problem recruiting too few for the OL…but they have gotten pretty unlucky with a few of those guys and injuries, which made it way worse. Who was the beast LT that had 3 or 4 torn ACLs? Seems like there have been several that were eventually medically disqualified. Wasn’t there another kid from Marist that had to stop playing too?

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              • The NCAA raping Kolton Houston didn’t help much either.

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              • pantslesspatdye

                Sturdivant

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              • GaskillDawg

                That was Trinton Sturvident who had the ACL problems. We also signed that guy Benedict from The Boles School who suffered an injury his senior year of high school, then left UGA because he thought our S & C approach would be detrimental to his recovery. He went to Virgina Tech.

                Certainly we have been in a position where we did not have enough game ready offensive linemen, but it is not because Richt does not understand the need for offensive linemen or we “drop” the ball. I will bet we offered the same 4 and 5 star guys who chose Alabama or Auburn or Florida. We signed some good ones who never played much or at all due to injury.

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              • Bazooka Joe

                Yep, I forget the name of the kid from Marist, had shoulder problems.

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          • Bazooka Joe

            I think the problem is CMR historically does not think highly rated OLine is needed. I could be wrong here but I could have sworn I read an article in his early years at UGA where he said exactly that. Skill position much more important that line of scrimmage.
            Assuming I am not totally brain damaged (ok, maybe half brain damaged) that explains a lot…

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            • RocketDawg

              OLine is the hardest position to project to the DI and NFL level. A kid that is a monster in HS is most likely going up against much smaller DLineman and may or may not actually be a dominant player. You also can’t tell how much a kid will grow or if they can play with added weight. We only have 85 scholarships if you tie up 20 of them with Offensive Line then you are hamstringing yourself in other areas. I think that the improved S&C will be of benefit and I hope that Coach Sale is a good teacher (like Friend was) and can improve these guys technique and knowledge of angles and leverage.

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  9. Rebar

    I think the staff did a great job with this class. I was a little worried about the effect of Bobo & other coaches leaving, but the new coaches seemed to hold their own with this class. I think the staff did a tremendous job.

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  10. 3rdandGrantham

    While they came off as slightly negative though realistic, a poster late yesterday mentioned that, while this certainly is a good class, it doesn’t have quite the oomph as a top 1-2 SEC class. For example, 15 (or roughly half) of our recruits had a 3 star rating, with a few 2 star ones as well. Meanwhile, the top classes typically have very few 3 star recruits, but instead are loaded with almost all 4 star guys with 3-4 5 star ones.

    So while the Bama’s of the world load up on 4-5, 5 star talents, with 15 or so 4 star players, again we hauled in our typical 1-2, 5 star guys, with around ten 4 star recruits. Certainly a noticeable yearly difference, especially when combined over a 3-4 year period. Overall, his opinion was that until we win the big one or at least another SECC or two, we’ll consistently be relegated to hauling in classes that rank around 4-6 in the SEC, instead of the top 1-2 that will help us be a truly elite program.

    If you think about it, UGA recruiting is much like a typical CMR season: often good enough to be mostly satisfied, but still lacking those extra big recruits (or wins) to make things feel uniquely special.

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    • Uglydawg

      “If you think about it” you can always find the gloom. Thanks, Sunshine.

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      • 3rdandGrantham

        …not a doom and gloom type at all; just being honest and realistic. Anything that I said that was not true, overly negative or inaccurate?

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        • Sparrow

          I suppose it’s a little inaccurate to say we will be resigned to SEC classes ranking in the 4th to 6th range until we win the SEC Championship. If that were a requirement, UT shouldn’t have pulled in the #2 class in the conference or Auburn the #3. I don’t disagree with the premise that we have to have Bama-like results to get Bama-like classes, but to fall into the 2 or 3 spot annually isn’t as much dictated by near term performance.

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        • GaskillDawg

          I believe you honestly thought your post was “honest and realistic” from your perspective. Your conclusion isn’t fact, it is opinion. Opinions are not “inaccurate.” From my perspective your post was negative. From your perspective I am all wet, I understand that.

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    • 2 of the consensus top 10 players in the country? 5 of the top 7 players in Georgia? We do such a good job early locking up commitments that the last couple of weeks are spent playing defense. There’s sizzle and steak in this class.

      7 of the 35 4+ star in-state players according to Rivals. 7 of the 14 players from in-state that Rivals rated as a top 10 player at their position nationally with Roquan Smith still out there. Of the other 7, let’s look at the facts:
      Taj Griffin – scatback with a better fit at Oregon – he’s not an every down back on a team with an I-formation/pro-style base
      Chuma Edoga – he wanted to leave the state and we tried to keep him local
      Mitch Hyatt – Clem’s Son legacy and been committed since last NSD – we never had a chance with him
      Roquan Smith – we have a chance to get him. It was clear from the press conference that his family wants him to stay close.
      Andrew Butcher – we signed the 3 in-state DEs rated more highly than him. Good luck in Big Orange country
      Nick Wilson – he wanted to go to Stanford. Not going to blame a kid for getting a great opportunity to play football and go to a truly elite school academically
      Mekhi Brown – see Butcher above. We never had room for him. Good luck with the Bammers. I hope he doesn’t have his scholly yanked in a couple of years.
      Eric Swinney – see Griffin above. He’s not an I-formation tailback. Good luck at Ole Miss.

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      • GaskillDawg

        Good post. Regarding Nick Wilson wanting to go to Stanford, John McKay once lamented about recruiting against Stanford, “If a kid is smart enough to get an offer from Stanford he is smart enough to not turn Stanford down.”

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      • Bazooka Joe

        Actually I don’t think we do a good job at all of “locking them up”.

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        • We can agree to disagree. Darius Slayton was the only guy who flipped that was a kick in the gut. Carson decided the depth chart wasn’t good for him. The other two late decommits decided to sign with UGA after all. My point is that we get early commitments and spend the last month fending other schools off them.

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          • RocketDawg

            This^^^^. We lock our classes up so early that NSD is largely ceremonial and most of our class is in by 8-8:30am. We’ll always lose one or two we thought we were going to get and we’ll get one or two we didn’t think we had a chance with. It’s the nature of the beast.

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        • How much better can you expect us to get?

          Folks need to take off the Red and Black Colored Glasses.

          UGA is an awesome University and campus, Athens is spectacular, and a lot of cities and towns in Georgia are great. But lets be honest – an awful lot of Georgia, as a state, also happens to suck. A lot of these kids are from those places that suck.

          Atlanta is a hell hole of traffic, misery, racial politics, and crime. Across the entire state, the police are used as a tax collecting tool dishing out as many arrests and tickets as possible. Even in Athens, they have a hard-on for screwing over as many students as possible, and football players seem to be their favorite.

          I’m terrified of Georgia police, and I’m a 40+ year old, successful white male with a law degree from UGA. When I drive through Georgia on the way to Disney World, I clench up my asshole and pray to Jesus, Mary, God, and the Holy Ghost the whole way down I-75.

          As a 17 year old black kid I’d shit my pants at the very thought of a Georgia police officer, and I’d be in a hurry to get away from them.

          Are you surprised there are kids who just want to see what it is like to live somewhere outside of Georgia, and experience something new?

          No matter how great your recruiting is, you just aren’t going to keep all the Georgia kids in Georgia. A significant percentage just want to go elsewhere for reasons beyond football.

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          • Coondawg

            “– an awful lot of Georgia, as a state, also happens to suck. A lot of these kids are from those places that suck.”
            I’m guessing you don’t get around much. Alabama, Mississippi and North and South Cackalacka are known bastions or entertainment. All of those plus Tennessee and Florida are way worse for over zealous Traffic Enforcement.

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            • I’m guessing you don’t get around much. Alabama, Mississippi and North and South Cackalacka are known bastions or entertainment.

              No doubt, but the grass is always greener on the other side. I imagine in each of those states, there’s some percentage of kids that are going to be immune to any sort of in-state recruitment. They want to get out and see the big bad world, and see something different than the state they’ve lived in for 17 years.

              All of those plus Tennessee and Florida are way worse for over zealous Traffic Enforcement.

              No way dude, not even close. Florida relies so much on tourism they barely even have cops on the highways, and families traveling on them get warnings at worst.

              Georgia is so bad the AAA puts up billboards warning people about specifically bad counties, and even had to win a court case to preserve the right to do so.

              Georgia police are the absolute worst I’ve ever encountered, and attorneys I know throughout the southeast echo that evaluation.

              Hell, even the Athens police are brutal and screw over our kids at every opportunity. Emerging from an alley my ass.

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              • .Dash

                Am from Tennessee but visit Georgia quite often. Can confirm.

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                • I live in Kentucky. Any trip heading south, Georgia is the only part of the trip I dread. It pains me to admit that. And to admit Tennessee and Florida are better states to travel through or to? /shudder

                  Kentucky. Tennessee. Florida. North Carolina. South Carolina. Alabama. All of those states are fine in various ways.

                  Kentucky, Tennessee, and Florida are the best of that bunch in my experience. There’s something about the way they’ve chosen not to use their police as Sherrifs of Nottingham roaming the streets looking for ways to screw over average citizens.

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  11. DawgPhan

    Keeping Godwin was important. Would have loved to have gotten the OL guy from Dunwoody that was committed to Cal and flipped to UF.

    If we can somehow get Roquan Smith, that would be icing on the cake and would give UGA a top 6ish class, I think.

    Lots of great players as you noted and glad that the staff turnover didnt impact this class too much.

    Figure we need to find 3-5 guys from this class to contribute next season and we might be cooking.

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  12. Justin

    I ask this because I truly don’t know:

    How many stars did Gurley have? How about Chubb?

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    • DC Weez

      Four and four.

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    • mp

      Each was a 4-star and had a 5-star back in their respective UGA classes: Keith Marshall and Sony Michel. Big kudos to the coaches to get Gurley and Chubb to follow through and join despite having another highly ranked recruit at their position.

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  13. Love the guys on both lines of scrimmage. The o-line guys definitely look the part especially when they get in a college quality S&C program. The d-line guys look like potential monsters starting with Thompson and Ledbetter. Another solid TE who wasn’t afraid of the depth chart. Solid linebackers with the potential of adding R Smith to the group. Excellent depth in the secondary (and those guys are the kick coverage missiles while they learn their trade). Morgan’s potential successor at kicker with Blankenship as a preferred walk-on. A serious playmaker at receiver in Godwin and a big receiver with speed in Stanley. Finally, a couple of guys in Choates and Crowder who will come to UGA with a dream in hand and look to make the most of the opportunity to play between the hedges.

    We filled needs and brought in guys who want to wear the Red & Black. A good day overall.

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    • Russ

      Well said, and I view this class about the same way. I think we covered our top needs and have a few that should contribute this fall, especially on defense.

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  14. I didn’t bother to watch many highlight films until last night, once we knew who was actually committed/still in the running. From what I watched last night, I think Slayton was a big miss, he just looks the part whether he’s at WR or DB. Of course that doesn’t always translate, but he sure passes the eyeball test for a playmaker. If anything I was more impressed with his film than Godwin’s, though in a “I thought the Porsche was better than the Corvette” kind of a way, either way you’re doing well. (I’m not a car guy, I’m sure there are better references I could have made there, but you get my point).

    I tell you though, the one that impressed me the most was Roquan Smith. That kid was ALL OVER the field, literally. His film had him at RB, WR, KO Return, Punt Return, and of course lined up all over the defense. I really had no idea how much of a baller he is. If he were already 20 lbs heavier, I bet he’d have been a 5 star guy, he’s just a little on the small side coming out of high school. But man, I really hope we get him. He’s gonna be a holy terror for whichever school lands him.

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  15. simpl_matter

    I wish we still had Aaron Murray around to take Godwin under his wing this summer, like he did with Malcolm Mitchell. Or maybe Malcolm can do that, ala Massaquoi & AJ. With no clear starter at QB, I really think/hope Malcolm takes on the role of mentor.

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  17. pete

    “Biggest disappointment was at wide receiver, where Van Jefferson and Darius Slayton walked away. You wonder how much of the “Nick Chubb will be Georgia’s offense” negative recruiting talk had an impact.”

    Which is something I just don’t understand. Auburn had more run attempts than we did. Their O is hugely a run-oriented system. The O we run takes advantage of the talent and whatever is working. In 2014 we lacked the comfortable ability of passing vertical, for whatever the reason, weak QB or injured WR’s. The coaches just went with our strength. If we develop a good QB and the WR’s are healthy, I bet we are much closer to the 50/50 pass/run offense. Obviously we have a lot of talent at RB but we could have the talent at QB and WR too. I would hope that if a vertical game is doable then we would take advantage of a good mix of both. Pass sets up run and run sets up pass. Can you imagine what Chubb will do if he doesn’t have to run against 8-9 in the box?

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  18. Macallanlover

    As the Senator noted, you can better evaluate a recruiting class 3 years down the road. But it looks like we brought in a very talented class across the board, especially in areas of need. I understand the comments about WR, although it is mostly driven by the last minute defection by Slayton (very scummy to me because of the timing). I think the Chubb factor, a new OC, and an unproven QB had a major effect on the decisions by HS recruits. CBS will be a known entity after this season, we should have a proven QB at that time, and we will have a top QB prospect coming in for 2016. Add to that the departure of Mitchell and JSW and I think UGA will make up for any shortfall from this year’s class.

    Unlike offensive tackles, WRs seem to be plentiful and I expect our staff to make this a point of emphasis over the off season. UGA should be a point of destination for many of the 2016 receivers, just need to get some early offers out there, it is a position where instincts/talent play a more significant role than experience versus other positions. We shored up the right spots with this class, imo.

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    • Excellent class that seems to fill needs across the board…..even a walk on who can kickoff through the back of the end zone. The 2015 team will be more talented than 2014. As always, they have to be coached up and coached to play together, which has always been more of an issue for Richt and his staff that any other……..no excuses going forward for losing to three teams you’re favored to beat……

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      • Macallanlover

        I accept that assessment, I know I have higher expectations for 2015 than I ever did for 2014. But we were favored in all 13 games, it was unrealistic to think we should have been unbeaten. While we can look at individual games where we could have gotten more out of the season, 2014 was a nice step forward to us getting back to winning an SEC. That was very unlikely going into the season with all the questions we had, fair to say the outlook is brighter now. I think this is the most optimistic I have been since the off-season prior to 2008’s team. Long way to go at this point but all the pieces seem to be coming together.

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    • Well stated as usual, Mac. Regarding WR recruiting in ’15-’16, I would imagine young Mr. Eason will be the Pied Piper and wide receivers will line up to play with him.

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  19. It Is A major plus to have 8 recruits already on campus – spring practice.
    Scout has us down at # 5 & every service has us at 28 not 29 ?
    I don’t understand all the negativity I keep reading.
    I believe the Dawgs did extremely well With the 2015 class.
    Plus I have been, Are, & will continue to be one who thinks Richt does
    a better job as HC than anyone else we could get,

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  20. W Cobb Dawg

    Very pleased with this signing class. 29 players with 8 already in school. More than anything else, we had a lot of schollys to fill and we filled them. Even a couple grayshirt/walk-ons just in case the attrition monster strikes again. The numbers impressed me the most. And wow, the D really loaded up!

    Friend didn’t leave many potential recruits on the table for Sale to work on. But the 4 (probably 3) we got have good size. I agree with others who say CMR doesn’t give much emphasis to OL recruiting. Build next year’s class around OT Cleveland and QB Eason, and emphasize OLs and WRs!

    Carson opts for OSU, but McClendon effortlessly pulls another good size RB out of his back pocket. This RB coach always seems to be prepared with contingencies when difficulties arise – be it RB recruiting, RB coaching, or RB injuries.

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  21. AntiJorts

    It’s even tougher to keep guys in state when for some of them, Athens is actually farther from home than other big schools. Kids from South GA are MUCH closer to Tallahassee. Heck, Godwin lived closer to Auburn than he does UGA. That doesn’t give us much of a “stay home and play for UGA” incentive.

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