If you’re looking to do some tea leaf reading, ponder this Q&A with Coach Richt:
Mark Richt was asked an open-ended question on Sunday: How would he say Georgia’s offense has performed in the first year under coordinator Brian Schottenheimer, and how would he say Schottenheimer has performed?
Richt, after a couple seconds, responded this way:
“Well I think that we certainly have had our struggles. But as of late we’ve scored enough points to win our last few games, which is the most important thing. So that’s how I feel about it. It’s a team sport. That’s how we play it, that’s how we coach it.”
It’s the “after a couple of seconds” that really makes that. Not exactly a rousing endorsement. In fact, there’s not even a mention of Schottenheimer.
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Read this last night and thought the same. That is about as damning a statement about Schotty you are going to get out of Richt. Hope springs eternal!
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Schottenheimer is bad, and he certainly needs to be let go if they’re going to retain Richt, but it’s generally not a good thing to go through three offensive coordinators in three years.
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Correct. Just ask Tubberville. But we have no choice…
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Sure we do. Question is if they’ll have the stones to do it.
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I meant he has to go…as to the stones one can only hope. I figured if he was really gone, CMR would have taken over the play calling by now.
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It seems to me that it is much more than play calling. I’m not sure he is a good teacher. The fundamentals and the execution are lacking.
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If it takes getting rid of Richt to get rid of Schottenheimer, then so be it.
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I take this as cause for moderate optimism. Let’s beat Tech and then change OCs before the bowl game.
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I like this idea.
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If willie was let go before the bowl game (right decision btw) Schotty should too. Yes i remember richt’s play calling but I’d rather he took over the game planning and qb coaching for bowl practice rather than Schotty. Literally everything the guy has touched has gotten worse with increasing regression directly in proportion to Schotty ‘s involvement. Kinda the opposite of what a coach should be doing.
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Offense looked good in the bowl game last year with Lilly calling shots. Give him another crack and if it works, give the man a promotion.
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I support this. Go back to the Richt/Bobo offense and let CMR coach QB’s and Lilly be OC
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Yeah but Richt didn’t even consider Lilly as an option last year. Not even a fallback option. I remember after Schotty was hired, Richt said at one of his press conferences that at one point, when he didn’t think he was going to be able to get who he wanted, it was looking like he might have to take the playcalling back over. I don’t know that Richt would reverse course to the point of now giving it to Lilly.
But I do think his options are gonna be limited. If Richt is retained (and I’m assuming he will be), even his most staunch supporters have to realize that his back is against the wall next year, not the most stable situation. Maybe just go hire a QB coach, but split the playcalling between Lilly and BMac or something like that. I never thought splitting playcalling sounded like a great idea, but it’s worked really well for Clemson this year. (Yes, I know having a QB like Watson makes playcalling easier. But their O has legitimately been better/more efficient in some areas than it was under Morris, especially on Third-and-short). I believe one of them calls the 1st & 2nd down plays, while the other calls 3rd down plays.
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Georgia would have no problems luring Tyson Helton, who was a finalist for the both the Georgia and Oklahoma jobs last year, away from WKU.
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He’ll be in demand though. With all the upcoming coaching changes, that means there’s gonna be lot of new staffs being put in place. If he gets offers from multiple places with some being much more stable situations, it may be hard to land a guy like him.
The flip side though is that none of those other schools have Eason walking through the door and most OC’s would love to have the chance to coach him.
We’ll see. I definitely wouldn’t mind getting a guy like him.
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I like the idea of grooming Coach BMac to be an OC. I believe he would be great at it, over time. Would really like Richt to be the QB coach with Lilly as the OC and training Coach Bmac to take over.
Then with the extra staff spot hire a special teams coach from VT.
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I thought Frank was the ST coach at VT.
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+1
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If Schotty is on the chopping block then Rob Sale should be there with him. I have not seen an offensive line digress as much as ours this year. The level of talent we have there should have pushed Southern up and down the field. The goal Coach Richt always quotes about “Getting Better Each Day” has failed miserably by Sale.
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Agreed entirely. Remember that first half against Southern U, as well? At the time, I took it as an uninspired effort against a cupcake, but looking back now, it seems to fit better the overall pattern of regression on the OL this year. If Schotty goes and Sale stays, that’s no less lunacy than keeping Schotty, in my book.
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100% Agree.
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While we’re daydreaming whether Sale goes, my suggestion would be to replace him with Elliott over at scu. Seems to be a very good OL coach and recruiter. No on-the-job-training with Elliott.
And we can thank sos & scu for placing Elliott in the no-win situation of being interim coach. I’m sure it removed any hopes of scu retaining anyone from sos’s staff.
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Amen. Sounds great. I’d consider him a great choice for OC too.
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Do you think a top flight OC will come coach at UGA? If so, why did CMR hire CBS in the first place? I just don’t think unplugging one person and plugging another in will fix our problems or take us to a championship.
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I think on the surface if you can get an NFL coordinator to be your college OC that would be considered a coup. However, Shott just hasn’t been the guy that you would expect based on an NFL resume. Are there many pro coordinators that would do an excellent job in college? I would think so. I don’t know whether he will be back next year or not but I don’t think hiring him was a desperation move either, at the time I was thinking it would be awesome to have someone from the pros to not only maintain the pro system but as a selling point to recruits. Just the wrong guy. I don’t see any reason a good OC wouldn’t be willing to come to Georgia.
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You don’t see any reason? You must be trying not to see it.
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He will if we bring in a new HC.
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If not happening so get over it.
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Some folks actually thought grabbing an NFL OC (who technically was not fired by St. Louis) was a “top flight” hire. Sure, in hindsight I think we’d all be a lot happier with Stanford’s OC/OLine coach, but it’s not like there weren’t top candidates last season.
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In cmr’s mind shotty was the perfect hire. Pro style… play action… pound the middle. Watching the cmr shotty interaction on the sidelines i glean that cmr thinks shotty doesn’t run it between the tackles enough.
I remember one instance in the kentucky game where we had the ball first down in the red zone… cmr was standing next to shotty when shotty called the play. cmr kind of rolled his eyes and walked away. The play was a pass to the fullback in the flat which was a great call.
Shotty is terrible but don’t be confused in thinking that cmr would not be more conservative and worse… imo.
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Things like going back to the NFL coordinator well after the Grantham midadventure are why I have serious doubts about Richr ever winning anything of substance again. It was a lazy, detached hire.
Add in that he let his DC essentially make a horrendous OL coach hire basically bring in none of his own assistants, and you have a toxic mix: an OC that isn’t good to begin with that you’ve neutered before he ever arrived on campus.
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Why is it that no one seems to recognize that our QB play has severely limited the available playbook. It is obvious that the staff has zero confidence in Lambert’s ability throw the ball downfield (or pretty much anywhere for that matter!). Most of his deep passes are underthrown. The deep pass to Mitchell on Saturday was a perfect example of that. Mitchell has his man beat but had to slow down to wait for the ball. On another out route to Mitchell, Lambert threw a laser instead of putting a bit of loft and allowing him to run to it. Where would this team be without Mitchell?
I’m not totally pleased with Shotty, but when you look what he has to work with at QB it is at least understandable. It has been a long time since we have had QB play this bad.
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I don’t understand why people think coaching and quarterback play are unrelated.
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Especially when none of the quarterbacks on the roster show any in-season improvement.
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I never claimed that, but it still comes down to execution on the field. Maybe Lambert makes those throws routinely in practice, but he does not make them in the game. I think our current offensive game plan is taking this into consideration.
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Also must consider the fact that Schotty basically went and hand picked Lambert to bring in in the first place.
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It almost seemed like an excuse for why he couldn’t get his NFL offense to click with Ramsey, Bauta and Park.
I never felt good about it. I wish I had been wrong.
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Yeah, for some crazy reason he didn’t think a punter and a safety would be a better choice at QB
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How is that a fact? Hand-picked?? Golson & Lambert announced they were transferring within a week or so of each other in early May. We met with Golson first, but then Golson chose FSU in late May, On June 2nd CMR confirmed they were after Lambert (who was originally rumored to be headed to Colorado State). Lambert announces he’s going to UGA on June 3rd. Jacob Park transfers a week later.
Let’s all hate Schotty for the right reasons, that’s all I’m saying. Bringing Lambert in was as much CMR as it was Schotty, and it was all desperation. They knew Park was transferring, leaving us with two so-so QBs. Nobody was hand-picking at that point, it was as if the Titanic had just hit the iceberg, Lambert was the closest available life-vest.
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If Lambert was throwing life lines, he’d skip them five feet short of the distressed.
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If he could even see them!
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We didn’t bring in Lambert because Park was leaving. Park quit the team – he still hasn’t actually transferred anywhere – because of Lambert.
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Park quit cuz he wasn’t smart enough to run the offense.
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It’s debatable. Park announced he was transferring on June 9th; CMR & Park confirmed they had multiple conversations about his options prior to his announcement. The timespan of those conversations is a known unknown. I haven’t heard anything about him hanging around because he is contemplating a return, where do you get that? I’ve assumed he’s waiting until this Spring to transfer and camp with his new team (since he has to sit out a year anyway).
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He said he was going to a junior college and then was a no show. Did not even let the coach know he was not coming. I think he is enrolling at WVU in January. He is not anywhere now. Why he quit and walked away makes no sense. There will be competition everywhere and the job here was open.
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I think it is pretty clear that when Eason arrives the job will be his–not to say that there won’t be a transition QB while Eason is getting ready. I wouldn’t think Park is interested in something like that since he is an underclassman himself.
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If Park had stepped up and taken the job Eason would have time to learn the system. Park did not even compete he quit. It is mind boggling.
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Given how poorly Lambert has played Ramsey must’ve really done something egregious ,like sleep with Mrs. Schotty, or completed a pass over 25 yards.
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Even Bauta got a game to see what he could do. It’s puzzling. At this point though, they’re playing everything close to the vest and letting the defense carry the team, so Lambert’s your guy if you just don’t want turnovers. Maybe Ramsey would have developed if they’d started him all season, and maybe he wouldn’t have, but at this point, there’s no upside to playing him unless you think he can be your starter next year.
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endless 3 and outs are almost as bad as turnovers.
I am sick of it.
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I think Ramsey must have a fatal flaw that they haven’t been able to coach out. Something like having a tick that is a tell to the defense.
We would live with some interceptions from bad decisions if he could also score some points.
Our QB play is baffling.
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Teams are winning all over the country with 2nd and 3rd string quarterbacks. Look at Notre Dame, TCU, Baylor, many others. You don’t need the 2nd coming of John Elway to be the only answer to your offensive woes. Lambert sucks but he’s serviceable and good enough to win big games. The playcalling is atrocious. We don’t put our players in position to make plays. The whole offensive system looks like a 9th grade system. The offense is so bad it reflects poorly on Richt who is an offensive guy.
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Sparty beat Ohio State playing both 2nd and 3rd string QB’s
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Thank you. Good coaches can make backup quarterbacks into winners. Could it simply be that Bobo had been doing much of the offensive work now for several years? He had covered and adapted for CMR’s outdated ideas? It kind of feels like the emperor has no clothes now that Bobo has gone. If our HC were an offensive guru, would it really be this bad?
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I’ve wondered the same. Does Richt’s system require an extraordinary talent at QB with seasons of experience in order to have a productive offense?
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I think it certainly takes above average talent because it’s a more difficult offense to run. That’s especially why I hold him accountable for letting the position get so barren. Bobo incorporated spread concepts into the pro which helped with both simplicity and pulling defenders out of the box when our line sucked. If you want to run this offense, you better put a premium on the development behind center. Bobo made us look arguably better than we really were. Just my .02.
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IMO, yes. I think this is one of the most critical flaws in CMR’s “pro-style” thinking in college. An extraordinary (and immobile) quarterback, with below average blocking and fundamental play, has not led many college programs to the promised land.
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I was thinking the same earlier today. It may very well be that to the extent the program has had success over the past 5 years, it was because of Bobo and had almost nothing to do with Richt.
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Look! I’m not thrilled with Schottenheimer but how much better could anyone else have done with no decent QB, No Chubb and a barely decent WR unit? The easy thing to do is to say the stat difference between 2014 and 2015 is a result of the OC but I think it has much more to do with the talent.
We were obviously gonna struggle because of the QB but, imo, losing Chubb hurt the 2015 offense more than losing Bobo.
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You can feel free to believe that. Most of us don’t, and Richt being more hands-on with the offense indicates that he isn’t too pleased with Schottenheimer’s performance either.
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Did the offense get any better when he did that? Exactly
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Richt should get off his ass and do the OC duties himself and hire a special teams coach. Don’t think Lilly is the answer. Schotty has to go.
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Im sure Richt is just walking around BM looking for something to do.
Your statement implies that he does not have any real responsibilities. Just show up on Saturday and wear a head set, do some interviews, drive a Ford and collect a check.
I would argue that this season has been one of his best in coaching. The talent level isnt there, due to youth and injuries (I realize this is the result of recruiting, or not recruiting depending on your view). Yet, UGA is poised to win 10 games. I agree that the O looks like crap. But the fact that this team has that opportunity to win 10 after the month of October, is a phenomenal coaching job by the entire staff.
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It’s a phenomenal job to finish 3rd in the division you were favored to win for the third year in a row?
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The psychology of keeping this team competing is the phenomenal part. The players were aware of the pre-season predictions. They are also aware of the mid-season call for coaches to be fired and how “terrible” this team is. The ability to keep a team together through all of that, and winning, is phenomenal.
Im not saying that I am happy with how it went, but it is hard to keep these boys motivated/engaged. There is more to coaching than what we see on Saturdays.
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You don’t think a favorable schedule had a big part in those wins?
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I will give you the Kentucky game as soft. And I will concede that Auburn and GSU are not very strong this year, not is UGA. Those teams had rivalry or big brother as motivation in their favor. I feel like both teams UGA played came ready to play. UGA won both of those games. We have seen teams recently fold on their coach/coaching staff – UF and AU come to mind recently.
I think that this UGA staff has done a great job keeping this team motivated and winning. All other faults with this season and staff, I think that they have found a way to win is impressive.
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He should be his own OC and QB coach. That is how he started out and was successful. Then he gave it up to be more like a CEO which has not worked over the last 6-7 years.
Richt used to and I am not sure if he still does it or not because I have not been to a game in quite a while but he used to go to each offensive player during warmups and tell them the first offensive play of the game.
If phenomenal is what you call this season with the talent we have on this team then I would hate to see what you call bad. If winning 10 games and playing in a 3rd tier bowl and being 2nd tier SEC makes you happy while UT and Florida pass us by then good for you.
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Well, you’ve certainly proven your unprovable point with that.
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That the offense bottomed out when we lost Chubb? That’s an unprovable point? Ok. Lol
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That the OC is not responsible for the bottoming out. You know, your actual point.
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Or was it that a successful OC like Richt couldn’t even help with the current offensive talent?
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As I said to begin with. Believe what you want. Most of us don’t agree with you. There’s no proof that’s going to settle the difference of opinion.
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Yes. Any offense can be successful with talent. Teams with little or no talent run the triple option. That’s common knowledge.
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Or was it that a successful OC like Richt couldn’t even help with the current offensive talent?
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Good luck with the facts, logic and reason around here. Everybody knows that lambert threw 2 incompletions in 2 games IN SPITE of schottys coachin’ and then schotty, due to his singular ability to destroy qbs, wrested away from him all of his transcendent abilities during Alabama week. Lambert has tried repeatedly to transcend his coaches shortcomings but schotty is just so bad, so terrible that he can’t hit open guys vs. Georgia southern. He wants to. He could, but schotty is too terrible an oc to allow lambert to flourish as he otherwise would.
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I don’t think he did a good job of calling plays this year. I also don’t think it would have mattered with the talent and certainly when Chubb went down. If “most of us” don’t see that then I’m fine with being the outlier.
Richt being more hands-on was desperation but it’s not like he changed the offense and he certainly didn’t change results.
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Man, who hired this Schotty guy? He sounds pretty bad, Derek.
Who on earth would make such an incompetent hire?
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“You worry about what you can control”
Not even a hard freeze can control Richt during SEC Media Daze
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You know Derek–since this place is so devoid of facts and logic, maybe you should just avoid it. I, for one, would really miss that one insight you offer about the uselessness of coaching.
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But he is the only guy on here with “football worthy” information! LOL
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That he gets from the AJC
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If I left I’d miss the first time you said something intelligent. I’m certain that it’s coming. I’ll be sure to be here when it happens.
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A good OC has to scheme around what they don’t have and maximize what they do have. Michel is a five-star RB, too. Keith Marshall was a five-star RB, but he hasn’t seen the field much despite his Stiff Arm to Hell, and he’s finally just called it a career at UGA. Mitchell is a superstar. Terry Godwin has come on. Michael Chigbu looks good, oh, and Blazevich, Rome, and Jordan are good tight ends, which I thought Schotty really liked to use. The offensive line returned four starters. THAT is what Schotty still has to work with. Has he gotten all there is to get out of that?
If Ramsey just didn’t pan out, or if Bauta couldn’t get it done, or if Jacob Park was too short, then he might get a pass for his QB playing like hot ass, but he went out and got Lambert because he “fell in love with his mind,” pushed Park out the door almost immediately, and never even gave Ramsey a shot despite him having the only experience on the roster. How many times have you thought (or yelled), “Throw it. He’s open” only to have Lambert check down to a one-yard pass on 3rd and 10? What about that end-of-half disaster vs GSU? Lambert throws it short twice with just seconds left instead of even attempting a downfield throw. That is all on Schotty because Schotty hand-picked Lambert, handed him the keys, and has “coached” him all year.
Everyone always rails on the play-calling, no matter the OC, but how many times will we continue to run in a single-back set on 3rd and short before we do something that might work? Why do we abandon the 3- and 4-wide sets which are the only way to clear the 8 or 9-man boxes the o-line has faced all year? There was one play in the GSU game where everyone in the building knew it was going to be a run play… so much so that GSU stacked 8 in the box and blitzed both corners on run blitzes. That level of predictability is why UGA’s offense has been downright awful for the last two months.
Schottenheimer is a hack that knows football, but can’t coach football. If Richt is bound and determined to go down with Schottenheimer, it’ll happen. If Schotty is OC in 2016, Richt won’t be HC in 2017. The only hope we have is to move on, try again, and recruit some stud offensive linemen.
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Schottenheimer is indeed responsible for the failures described above.
And so is Richt. The worse Schottenheimer performs, the worse Richt’s hiring decision becomes. (Richt has already has some awful hires too. Just remember Willie and Grantham.)
And if Schottenheimer is so awful, where has Richt been all season? Wouldn’t an intervention or some assistance be called for?
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“If Schotty is OC in 2016, Richt won’t be HC in 2017.”
I’ll do you one better: if Schotty is tabbed to be OC in 2016, Richt shouldn’t be HC in 2016. For me, firing Schotty has become a litmus test for whether Richt should be considered as HC going forward. I felt the same way about Willie at the end of 2009. I get the mitigating factors in Schotty’s defense (e.g. the Chubb injury, the recruiting/development misses on Ramsey, LeMay, Park, etc.), but to me, the more pertinent factors are 1) the offense’s regression even with Chubb healthy (save for the USC game), 2) the failure to coax any progress out of the QBs over the course of the season, and 3) what I see as some very poor playcalling. Further, if you keep Schotty after this year’s disastrous campaign, what does that do for recruiting momentum and off-season morale among the current offensive players? A new hire would at least generate some momentum and excitement. I just don’t see how maintaining the status quo does anything but deflate.
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I think team morale is as important as anything. I have said it before–I think the players have every right to be furious about this boring offense this clown brought with him. We have 3 pretty damned good TE’s that have been rarely used. And they want that stud TE our of FL Nauta. Why the hell would he sign? “Hey bud–want to come in and block and make 6 catches a season for 4 years?” “6 catches seems like a lot coach–sign me up!” Plus on the receiving front–Malcolm Mitchell should have had an all world season…it has been middling at best–all because of Schotty’s shitty offense. Who would want to play in it? I think this is an enormous issue–they can’t afford to keep him another minute–much less past this season.
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Right, I’ve followed the Nauta coverage as the season’s gone on and wondered, “How does this guy still even have us on his list?” True, Richt and Lilly have a great track record with TEs, but that’s nothing the wrong OC can’t undermine.
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In fairness, some of it is the QBs. Schottenheimer has done a poor job, but I don’t think they’d be lighting people up through the air even if he had managed to get the most out of the passing game. The offensive line and the spotty running game, though, that I blame entirely on coaching.
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He did not push Park out Park quit!! Blame Schotty for the rest but Park’s decision is on Park.
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Park quit because we went out and got Lambert to do the job he was recruited to do. So yes, he was pushed out. Hope you’re happy with Richt for throwing away a stud QB to get Lambert.
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How, exactly, do you know Park is a stud QB?
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All I know he is he was pretty highly recruited and that Nick Saban had him over for cookies after he announced he was leaving Georgia. We’ll see how his career pans out. But procuring a mediocre transfer at the cost of one 0f your highly touted QB recruits doesn’t seem very bright to me, but falls right in like with what I’ve come to expect out of Richt’s roster management.
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Saban recruited Brice Ramsey hard. He’s hardly a perfect judge of quarterbacks.
You’re trying a little too much here.
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None of us should feel bad for Schottenheimer. If he gets canned (still an unfortunately big if), he will depart with at least 2 million on top of what he has already been paid (for what? chaos?).
If he is smarter with his money than with our offense, he has more than enough to live out a good retirement and he isn’t even 43.
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Who are we kidding? Schotty’s not going anywhere after just one season. Especially if we have 10 wins.
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You bite your tongue!
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I disagree. CMR has learned his lesson from the painful decision to at first keep, then fire, Willie Martinez. He stuck with Willie until Willie damn near dragged CMR down, too. Schotty is gone after the season.
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There is 0 evidence to support this. He was bringing Grantham back in 2014 for continuity. Never, ever, ever forget that.
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Richt is not stupid, and he knows what a good offense looks like, so he knows this doesn’t work. I hope he pulls the trigger on Schotty and gets someone else. I’d be fine with Lilly Tomlin over Schotty.
I do think Richt will have to get a newbie that he can mold (like he did Bobo) or promote Lilly, but Richt is going to have to take more control of the offense.
Our QBs aren’t great (says Capt Obvious), but I think a large part of that falls on Schotty. He had 9 months to build an offense around one of our guys (Ramsey, Bauta, Park), but instead found an ACC cast-off the month before the season. Like others have said, that should have been a warning sign. Teams around the country win with 2nd and 3rd string QBs, and given our running backs (even with Chubb out), we shouldn’t struggle like this. Bobo made a decent offense around Cox, and if we had any sort of defense, we would have been much more successful even then.
Also, I get that the OL has underperformed, but wouldn’t that also be under the umbrella of the OC? I mean, can’t the OC decide whether or not the OL is going to use zone or man blocking?
Something has to change, that’s for sure.
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“Richt is not stupid”
Check your premises.
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Heheh, yeah I knew someone would comment on that. Still, you have to admit that offense has rarely been the problem during Richt’s tenure. That’s it’s such a flaming hot mess right now has to really gall him. Hopefully it’s enough to get him to make the changes necessary.
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“I’d be fine with Lilly Tomlin over Schotty.”
Yes, caller. You say you have a problem with the playcalling? Well guess what? We don’t care. We don’t have to. We’re the Georgia Way.
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One schotty schotty…Two schotty schotty…Three schotty schotty… Hello, is this the person to whom I am speaking?
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It’s always difficult…saying that someone on your staff has failed..but it would be interesting to see Schotty bought out before the bowl game, Lilly moved, once again, to be temporary OC and then given the job if he looks even decent in the bowl game (vs last year when he had much more to work with on offense). I’d promote the man if he improves this offense against a bowl opponent.
BTW…this week is GT’s Bowl Game…..just like old times.
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Are we really going to be so short sighted as to fire a guy that came into a situation with no quarterback talent whatsoever? It was so bad he had to go out and get Virginia’s back up on short notice. I’ll repeat – LAMBERT COULDN’T KEEP THE JOB AT 4-7 VIRGINIA!!! In spite of that he’s still apparently the best qb on the roster. If there’s one thing you need in order to develop talent, it’s talent. From where I sit Georgia doesn’t have any. Not only that, Schott lost arguably the best running back in the nation. People say he didn’t do anything with Bradford or Sanchez in the NFL, but those guys got better when he coached them and worse when he left.
I would speculate that Richt’s comments are more of an indictment on the ignorant fan base than a knock on Schott. He knows that if he says Schott is doing a great job that the masses will skewer him because they don’t think the play calling is “creative enough” which is a total joke. If you haven’t coached or played qb on an SEC level you probably don’t shit when it comes to schemes or play calling.
If you want to be mad at Richt (or the great recruiter Bobo) that they had Ramsey tapped as an SEC quarterback then that is totally rational, but I’m not sure Schott needs to be the scapegoat. He may very well turn out to be inept, but I don’t see how we can judge him based on this season. Another issue is none of our receivers outside of Mitchell seem to be able to create separation without defensive backs (Well, Davis can, but he can’t catch so…) that is also not Schott’s fault. They were here when he arrived.
If it’s a scapegoat y’all want I’ll give you one. Robert Sale. Georgia’s o-line has regressed to a shell of it’s former self, and they returned 4 starters from last season’s dominating squad. I don’t miss Bobo, I miss Friend.
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with defensive backs**
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Ignorant fan base? Oh lord. Did you really throw out the “never been in the arena” argument in that post? I really love that one. As if football is some kind of mysterious science that only the smartest, most educated can understand. Sorry, but most coaches got into the (ahem) “profession” because they were gifted athletes, not because they were scholars.They are not looking for Higgs-Boson particles. Don’t act like their incompetence cannot be casually observed. Schott needs to go, but he is not the scapegoat. Richt is.
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I can’t even begin to respond to how wrong this statement is. Suffice it to say that this is the type fan that I hate being associated with.
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Don’t flatter yourself. We are not associated.
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I’d love to watch some film with you and have you explain how you would change play calling, audibles, blocking schemes etc. I’m sure it would be insightful.
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He’d probably never call a fumble or an interception. I mean, even casual observers know that’s a bad idea. What’s Schotty thinking when he calls those?
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“If you haven’t coached or played qb on an SEC level you probably don’t shit when it comes to schemes or play calling.”
You know…I’m no chef either fella–but I can sure tell when my meal tastes like shit.
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Yeah, but you can’t tell the chef how to fix it. Also, you can’t really blame the chef if he doesn’t have any ingredients to make the food with.
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So you go to a restaurant and get a meal that tastes like shit, you just grin and eat it because the chef didn’t have any ingredients to work with?
The excuses you people will make is mind boggling.
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Obviously college football and a restaurant are not a 1:1 comparison. I won’t explain the differences I’ll just assume you can figure that out on your own.
Continuing this ridiculous hypothetical – if I got a bad meal from a chef who obviously has no ingredients to work with, but I know that this chef has been successful on high level in the past, and that he will be getting good ingredients in the future. I might come back for another meal. Is that difficult to grasp?
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on a high level **
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Holy sheep shit . The answer is yes , that is difficult to grasp
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Wow. That’s surprising because it’s a really really simple concept.
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Cb, playing along with your stupid hypothetical – aNY chef who prepares a meal without good ingredients is no chef at all.
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Uh… I don’t think you understand the hypothetical. In this scenario the chef is Schott and the ingredients are the players that were already at Georgia when he arrived. He can’t control that he has no qb talent (ingredients to cook with). You can blame him for Lambert, but it was the best he could do on such short notice, and apparently he’s the best qb on the current roster so it was the right call.
This is Lamont’s hypothetical btw so you can take it up with him if you think it’s stupid.
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See, I actually know a few chefs. None of them would agree with your line of reasoning that it’s not the chefs fault the food tastes bad because of the ingredients that were in the kitchen when he arrived. You’re simply looking to make excuses for a person who isn’t doing their job.
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😂😂😂 What are you even talking about? We’re not discussing actual cooking so the number of chefs you know is completely irrelevant. I’m just trying to be logical. I don’t care how great your chef friends are, I know for certain that if you lock them in a kitchen with a slab of beef, a bag of salt, and ice chips they aren’t going to be able to make a chocolate cake. Period. End of discussion. Now, if you think it’s the chef’s fault if they can’t make a chocolate cake with those ingredients then I don’t know what to tell you, but anyone with half a brain can see that it’s not Schott’s fault that Georgia has no viable QB options.
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You’re hipeless. You really are.
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Thank Goodness that’s over.
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If hipeless = I’ve backed you into a corner and you have no logical recourse with which to respond. Then yes, I’m quite hipeless.
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This went a lot longer than expected. The point was, you don’t have to be a football coach to tell that our offense is garbage. I think people who are totally unfamiliar with American football could tell you that our offense is garbage.
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Now…follow this if you can…If you had a famous professional photograper and you hired him to take pictures of your daughter and she was butt ugly, would it be the photograpers fault that he couldn’t make her look pretty in the pictures?
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Of if you hired a plumber to fix your leaking toilet, but he couldn’t fix it because he didn’t have part required, is he really a plumber?
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Or if you hired someone to dream up an analogy that would explain a football situation without mentioning football, and he turned out to be a better chef or plumber than a philosopher, would you have chili on that dog or just mustard?
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According to these people the photographer is definitely the problem.
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You obviously never had co-workers with a ‘Glamour Shot’ of their wife on their desk back when that company was popular in the shopping malls. Trust me, those photographers could make Broom Hilda look like a queen. So to answer your question….yes, it would be his fault.
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You got that right Friend should of been promoted to OC. He worked wonders with the OL and the regression under Sale just sucks.
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Maybe. I’m not sure if being a good o-line coach necessarily means you would be good as a play caller. It was probably too much of a risk at the time.
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Hey Marty, is that you?
FIRE BOB SALE
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CB = Coach Brian.
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Naw, he’s too busy hanging out with your imaginary chef friends trying to figure out how to make bread pudding out of dijon mustard and old sugar packets. As we all know if the chefs can’t make that happen then they’re all fired.
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It’s all Lambert’s fault. Everything is Lambert’s fault. The OL play? Lambert’s fault. The shitty play-calling? Lambert’s fault. The same embarrassing clock management that has been Richt’s signature since long before Lambert was on the roster? Lambert’s fault.
Jacob Eason’s gonna change everything!!!!11!!1!!!1!
He may be a HS QB who’s never played a down of SEC football. And we may have a history of shitting our pants as a football program even with a 5-star QB on the roster. And there may be no good reason for thinking that the OL is going to be any better in the near future. And we may be losing our only reliable WR. And there may be reports all over the place that we’re losing Pruitt as well, which, if true, will almost certainly result in a drop in defensive performance. Etc., etc., etc.
But … Jacob Eason’s gonna change everything!!!!1!!!11!!
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I mean, what the actual fuck, right? The Richtites are out in full force this morning.
Blame the whole season on Lambert. And nevermind the fact that Ramsey hasn’t been developed and stud recruit Jacob Park left the team because we had to go get Lambert. None of that is Richt’s fault.
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You don’t know that Ramsey hasn’t developed. His stats were better than Lambert’s when they pulled him the last time. He was put in zero position to succeed against AL. Is he over throwing receivers? What is the difference between that and under throwing wide open receivers…constantly? Lambert somehow gets a pass on that shit. I don’t get it.
He did something to piss Schottenheimer off. Not in the film room enough–maybe? Jesus–how much film study do you need to learn this horrendous 15 play offense!? I hope he is talking shit sarcastically on the sidelines about the awful play calling. “Ooooh good one coach–that shit really fooled’em.” “You GOT’EM again coach.” “Are we punting again? ALREADY?”
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You guys are totally right. We should put Brice Ramsey in so he can throw one of his signature immediate interceptions on the first play. That’s difference between Ramsey and Lambert. Lambert doesn’t turn it over, and Ramsey does, which is why they have the same number of interceptions this season despite Ramsey having a fraction of the Lambert’s pass attempts
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So you like shitty QB play and multiple 3 and outs as long as we have zero turnovers?
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No, but I prefer it to even shitter qb play to go along with turnovers which is absolutely what you would get if you played Ramsey.
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don’t KNOW shit****** haha, Mondays…..
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Pep Hamilton is available. Did a great job at Stanford. Developed A. Luck. QB and OC. Indianapolis let him go a couple weeks ago. Also, hes a minority and even though its a small detail to me, I would have to think its just another positive.
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I’d love seeing Pep’s legs walking our sidelines
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Uptown Funk you up makes everything better
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If not being a minority cannot be called a “positive”, then being one should not be called a “positive” either. You can’t have it both ways. We’re all color blind, right?
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I don’t know why anyone thinks an OC worth a shit is going to come here. Richt is getting fired. The only question is will it be this year or next year. If you think that any OC with promise is going to hitch his wagon tof Richt right now, you’re crazy. If SCHOTTY stays, Richt gets fired. If Richt replaces him, he won’t get anybody good, and gets fired. Pruitt likely gone so the defense won’t be around to pick up the slack next year, and the same problem will exist in finding a DC.
UGA will be better off firing Richt after the Tech game regardless of outcome and letting a new coach bring in a new staff, because there’s no way next year’s staff under Richt is a good one.
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Not sure I agree. If you’re a good OC, look at the talent at UGA and think you can coach it up better than Schottenheimer – not exactly a high bar – why not come, as long as you can get a multi-year deal to cushion the blow if Richt goes?
If you succeed, one of two things happen: either you improve the offense enough that Georgia wins the East and Richt survives, or you improve the offense enough that your reputation is enhanced and you can easily find another job. Not much downside there.
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Downside is you may only get one season to make it work and your future is not only dependent on whether the offense improves. You can go from being a hot name to jobless and not a hot name. Kirby didn’t think it was worth the risk.
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Hell, for $1mil I’d be willing to do just about anything for a year.
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Hell, you don’t have to look that far. How far down the list do you figure Schottenheimer was? There wasn’t exactly a bidding war for his services. Though he got paid like there was. What do you figure the price tag will be next time to get someone to take a risk?
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Does it matter? Are you writing the check?
Also, just to point out that a prick like you talks out of both sides of your month you say that, “If Richt replaces him [Shotty], he won’t get anybody good, and gets fired.” Yet, you are certain that the B-M crowd can find a better coach than our current one, which they brought in. So which one is it? Is it impossible for someone who made a bad hire to get it right with the replacement hire or is it just MR that can’t get it right?
I’ll go ahead and answer the question for you- given that you’ve stated the same thing over and over since you joined this blog I know what you are gonna say…
Go ahead and accept mediocrity you Richt Apologist but I am a better fan than you because I will not. It is clear that we will never win anything of consequence with him as our head coach and you sunshine pumpers just don’t have the guts to make any decisions that are clearly needed. You guys are the reason why this program is in the shitty condition that it is and it will always remain so until we blow this whole program up… -and if it was blown up at the end of the year, and if you would ever be honest with all of us, you would finally be happy because that was your ultimate goal. And you’d probably be clueless enough to believe you were the one who made it all happen.
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What he won’t say but will keep to himself if how disappointed he is in our November thus far. He’s still got hope and his tech gear ready to go though. It’s his last hope! If tech wins surely he’ll get coach X! In this market there bound to be a couple dozen can’t miss will win a natty in the next two years guys around right?
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What the fuck are you going on about?
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Somebody needs to all Mark Bradley and have him interview Chili.
He’s got some big-time inside scoop here.
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call MB
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Questions for the FIRE RICHT!!!! crowd
Did Lambert throw 2 incomplete passes in two games AND set passer rating records IN SPITE of the coaching/game planning/play calling or BECAUSE of the coaching/game planning/play calling? You must agree that these were exceptional performances, so to whom do we give the credit? Schotty? Richt? Lambert? Chili because he still wanted us to win then?
If your answer is that the performance was IN SPITE of the coaching/game planing/play calling then please explain why has he not continued to thrive IN SPITE of the atrocious coaching/game planing/play calling?
If he threw 2 incomplete passes AND set passer rating records BECAUSE of the coaching/game planning/play calling (to whatever degree you want to credit it) did they forget HOW to coach/game plan/play call since?
If so, how does a coach forget these things exactly?
If you’ve been able to actually read and understand the questions above you must now be wondering how FIRE RICHT (or Schotty) is the answer since your premise makes little sense given the above indisputable, not subject to opinion or speculation, FACTS!!!!
My personal theory is that Alabama decided that the guy can’t handle pressure, were proved right and everybody has tried to essentially copy what they did with varying degrees of (but mostly) success. I think that Alabama took and left with Lambert’s balls. I think that the coaches decided, well if we’re gonna lose in Jax, let’s at least do it with a guy that has a pair. Then they found out that sometimes a nut-less wonder is superior to a brave, bold, hard-working, talent-less qb.
Just my personal view. Will the FIRE RICHT!!! crowd please proceed with the your vociferous, fact-free, football expertise that I like to refer to as chimps screaming and feces throwing….
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Well stated. A thousand Amens.
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Same ones that wanted Bobo gone.
Not real deep thinkers.
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Oh, you mean the dude that only has 6 wins with a Colorado State team that won 10 games last season? The same guy who told DeShaun Watson that he didn’t have the skill set to play at Georgia? The guy who pegged Brice Ramsey as an SEC quarterback? Is that the same Bobo you’re referring to? Yeah, I really wish we had that guy back. Draws and screens on third and long would definitely turn the year around.
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Seeing as Bobo coached the offense to a school scoring record last season, I’d take my chances with him now.
BTW, CSU lost a ton of talent from last year’s team. It’s a little early to judge his head coaching career.
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Okay, do you apply that same standard of logic to Schottenheimer? Perhaps it is too early to judge Bobo, but I guarantee Colorado State didn’t lose anyone near the talent level of Todd Gurley, David Andrews, Chris Conley, Michael Bennet, and Nick Chubb (heck we could even use Hutson Mason, never thought I’d say that) and CSU definitely isn’t playing against anyone near the level of defense that Schott is.
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You really think Georgia’s offense is going to get better under Schottenheimer?
Bobo may not have lost anyone near the talent level, but he damn sure didn’t have the same level of talent coming back, either… Mitchell, Michel, Chubb, multiple returning starters on the offensive line, loaded group at tight end, etc.
As far as your last sentence goes, Georgia scored seventeen points in regulation against a Sun Belt defense. As I said to someone else in this thread, you’re trying too hard.
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I’m not trying anything. I really have no clue if Schott is any good, I just don’t think you can judge him based on this season. Bobo didn’t lose the same talent and also isn’t facing near the same competition at CSU.
As for all that Sunbelt crap, Southern is a good football team. They damn near beat Tech and NC State last season, and returned almost all of their starters. We should still dominate them, but this is the worst Georgia team that I can remember as far as offensive talent, and it is only going to get better.
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The offense has regressed as the season has gone on. That should give you a clue.
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Either Schott is terrible, or SEC defenses realized that the USC game was an anomaly and they should load the box and make us throw it. Could be either or some of both.
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As for the scoring record last year. Where were the offensive points when we needed them against Florida (20) and Tech (17)? 60+ points against Kentucky and Troy isn’t proving anything, it’s just padding stats.
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They scored 45 against a good Clemson defense. They scored 34 against a good Missouri defense (though the turnovers helped). They scored 45 against a pretty good Arkansas defense. The Florida game was a bad performance, though the defenses was worse given the strengths and weaknesses of Florida. The problems against Tech were turnovers more than anything, though they did hit a pretty bad lull after the two fumbles at the one.
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Where were the offensive points when UGA needed them? Oh, for Gawd’s sake. This year, Georgia scored three points against UF and couldn’t break 20 against GSU, another Sun Belt team. 2015 is the first time in Mark Richt’s head coaching career his team scored less than ten points in back to back games.
Georgia scored all kinds of points in 2013 when “we needed them” and couldn’t get the defense to pitch in. Last year, Georgia led the SEC in scoring in conference games. Offense wasn’t the problem in Bobo’s last two seasons.
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Right, but Georgia lost a ton of offensive talent correct? Isn’t that why it’s too early to judge Bobo at CSU? You don’t think Schott stands to score a lot more points this season if he had the players from last year at his disposal? Seems like a double standard.
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Colorado State has fallen from 36th in offense in S&P+ ratings to 47th under Bobo. Georgia’s fallen from 6th to 69th. It’s not that the offense is worse. It’s that it is fucking terrible.
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Yeah, that’ll happen when you have no qb, and lose the best rb in the nation. Either way, Colorado State currently sits at -4 wins from last year. Georgia will end up -2 at worst and even at best which is pretty damn impressive given the lack of talent on offense and the number of true freshmen playing on defense (I know we’re talking about offense, but I digress).
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Way to move the goalposts.
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Relatively speaking, Georgia was in far better shape going into this season than CSU.
If you’re happy with Schottenheimer, fine. My prediction is that if Richt is back next year with Schottenheimer as OC, he won’t be back in 2017.
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I’ll concede that I have no knowledge of CSU’s roster turnover, but I find it very hard to believe that they were worse off than Georgia. We have no viable qb in a pro style offense with Alabama, Florida, and Missouri on the schedule. Doesn’t get much worse especially if you add in the unrealistic preseason expectations.
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Also. I don’t want to make this about Bobo. It’s a dead horse at this point, but if you push me I will list all of the abysmal offensive performances under his tenure. If we we’re judging him solely based on last season he was pretty good, but 2014 was his best season by far. An outlier as I see it.
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Georgia’s yards per play, national rankings:
2015: 38th
2014: 7th
2013: 13th
2012: 1st
There’s an outlier, alright.
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Alright you asked for it. Point production under Bobo.
07 – USC 12pts (loss), UT 14pts (loss), Vandy 20pts, UK 24pts
08 – USC 14pts, Bama down 35-0 at half (loss), UF 10 (loss), Auburn 17
09 – Ok St 10 (loss) , Az St 20, LSU 13 (loss), UT 19 (loss), UF 17 (loss), UK 27 (loss)
10 – USC 6, Ark 24 (loss), Miss St 12 (loss), Colorado 27 (loss). UCF 6 (loss)
11 – Boise 21, UK 19, LSU 10
12 – USC 7, UF 17 (3 int’s), Bama 21
13 – Mizzou 26 (loss), Vandy 20 (loss), Neb 19 (loss)
14 – UF 20 (loss), GT 17 (loss)
You also left out the part about the SEC East being worse than the ACC since about 2010.
Never mention this man’s name to me again. He was terrible for Georgia’s program.
Schott may end up being worse, if that’s the case we’ll fire him and find somebody else. I just don’t believe he’s been given a fair chance. You won’t see me crying either way.
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I’ll take cherry picking to make my bullshit argument seem slightly less delusional for $2,000 Alex.
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I forgot to label a few of the losses, but you get the idea.
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Hahaha, cherry picking? Are you serious? That’s a lot of damn cherries.
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Pretending you could even isolate all the variables, you could easily swap the words “coaches” and “Lambert” and pose the opposite questions with the same effect.
The coaches do not have the most talented UGA team to work with, but neither are they consistently getting the most out of the talent they do have.
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The questions are posed interchangeably. I’ve done exactly what you’ve suggested. We’ve had both great and awful qb play. The question is whether you can isolate the credit or blame on either the player or the coaches credibly? I’m simply pointing out that it is quite impossible to ascribe blame or credit accurately given these circumstances. I can say that it makes more sense that a player has a performance issue than to suggest that the coaches once knew what they were doing and then forgot. And it’s not like it’s a match up problem either. Since Alabama, no matter who we’ve played, the qb has struggled. There has been no rebirth of the lambert we saw vs. the gamecocks. I don’t know how that blame gets shifted in greater measure to the coaches than to the player. It just seems to fail any logical test. That is not to say that the coaches aren’t “responsible” for the product. They no doubt are. But they are failing to meet those obligations because of a glaring lack of anything resembling a qb. Is therefore the remedy firing? Id say we let them get a decent qb and see if somehow thy relearn coaching as if like magic.
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Schottenheimer has never demonstrated an ability to do anything of note regardless of who his QB is. You’re assuming he was at one time a good offensive coordinator. The evidence doesn’t suggest you’re correct in that assumption. At best, an argument can be made he was an average offensive coordinator at the professional level. He’s never coordinated in college, and the two jobs are not exactly the same.
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So who do you credit for the early season record breaking performances? Lambert or schotty? What went wrong? Lambert or schotty? How can you say?
Also, I tend to think that Jeff fisher, Rex Ryan and Eric Mangini know more about football than you. They hired and/or retained schotty as oc. How do you know that they are stupid and that you know more about football than any of those guys?
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I don’t know more about football than those guys. I do know that people are retained despite not being particularly good at their jobs in the NFL all the time by people who know more about football than me. Being the son of a legendary coach doesn’t hurt in that regard. I do know that his on-field results didn’t scream “brilliant offensive coordinator”. As for who is responsible for the “record breaking performance”, I’d go with South Carolina.
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Not a bad suspect I have to admit, but even if they were to blame because they were even more awful, it doesn’t explain just how bad it’s gotten. UK and auburn and gsu aren’t exactly defensive powerhouses.
OC’s know what to do when defenses load up to stop the run. The repsonse requires execution. I refuse to believe that schotty looks out and says “loaded box? What do I do?” I do think that lambert knows what to do, he just can’t do it. He’s got the right arm, the height, the knowledge, the brain, he just can’t preform under pressure. Some people love it. Some people freak out. It’s just the way it is.
I’m hoping that were getting a David Greene head in a Matt Stafford body coming in january. Just like Dabo with Watson, you’ll be shocked at how smart our coaches will be if he is that.
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No, I won’t be, but you can keep beating that drum if you want.
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Will do. God knows I’m the only one around here who has one.
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It happens. Look what Cam did for Cheezesticks. A great QB can make a program…for a while.
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Bradford and Sanchez (two marginal NFL quarterbacks) saw their greatest amount of success under Schottenheimer. They were worse before he got there and worse after he left.
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Yes, I’ve seen that argument. It’s responsible for me allowing that he was possibly an average NFL coordinator. They are by no means definitive proof of anything. Sanchez was not quite a league average QB in his best season under Schottenheimer, and his regression the next season could have been regression to the mean. Statistically, his best season was the 8 games he played for Philadelphia last year, and I don’t that tells us much of anything about Chip Kelly. Bradford was basically the same guy in his one full season under Schottenheimer as he was his other full season as a rookie. Maybe he would have ended up significantly better in 2014, but he only played seven games, and he may have settled in at about 20 TDs and 14 picks if he’d played the rest of the year. A good portion of his improved numbers came against Jacksonville and Houston, two of the worst teams in the league.
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That should have been 2013 on Bradford. He missed all of 2014.
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Assumption #1 Schott was possibly an average NFL coordinator
Assumption #2 Sanchez’s regression could have been to the mean
Assumption #3 Perhaps Kelly made Sanchez better? (That one isn’t clear)
Assumption #4 Bradford may have thrown 20 TD’s and 14 picks if he played all of 2014
Has the Senator ever taught you about Occam’s Razor? You should google it.
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I’m not tossing out assumptions. I’m analyzing statistics that you think prove Schottenheimer is a good OC. I’m pointing out they may not tell us anything and giving you the reasons why. If a guy’s QB rating goes from 73 to 78, it may be entirely luck or a change in competition. Football seasons are inherently small samples of data.
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But you would fire Schott after one season, huh? Seems like you’ve crossed yourself up. Maybe don’t comment anymore today.
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Sigh. Okay. Good to know that you’re not open to reason. Noted. Have a nice life.
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What reason? You’re contradicting your own argument that was formed mostly on assumptions.
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This is all of you
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Jeepers the hooplehead is strong with this gentleman.
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That reminds me of the 57th AutoZone Liberty Bowl fight song
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Laughing. I will think of this every time I read a “Fire CMR” troll.
Also, why should CMR be fired b/c your private parts feel tiny when you stand next to those AL fans.
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i read about 68% of these posts…but there is just one tiny thing…shouldn’t we beat GTU first?
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Vaughn, Robinson.
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