As shitty as Tuesday night was, I shouldn’t let Brian Herrien’s effort go unmentioned.
https://twitter.com/UGAfootballLive/status/1080529931334025222
At least one kid came to play.
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“We remember the Sugar Bowl, I think it my junior year of high school, we let Alabama beat us twice,” Brinson said of a team that also lost to the Crimson Tide in the SEC Championship game. “We’re not letting Alabama beat us twice. In the Sugar Bowl in 2018, they… thought they should have been in the playoffs and lost to Texas.” -- AB-H, 12/27/23
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“He’s running over people!”
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I’m glad Herrien’s efforts were noted by the Georgia faithful. He has impressed me from the first time I saw him run in a Georgia uniform. Maybe we should look further for running backs than just the IMG five stars. Looking at the Georgia high school runners from this year’s crop, I think McGee should take a closer look when we need running backs. Again, well done, Brian!!
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He has always come to play. Remember his performance in the opener against NC.
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DGD. He should have gotten more carries.
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^^^^^^ What Russ said.. I wonder why he does not?
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Ordinarily, he’s not as explosive as Swift or as powerful as Holyfield. But Swift should have been relegated to third string behind Herrien and Holyfield against Texas.
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Most of the team might have mailed it in, but there were a few kids that really gave a lot. Maybe even a lot of them really cared. It only takes a few lackadaisical efforts to turn a game into a disaster. Once again, it goes back to coaching…and pointing to other programs and eras where the same thing has happened doesn’t excuse it. Those were all coaching failures too.
We all fail at this but “A job worth doing is worth doing right” is a pretty good and eternally true piece of advice.
This game, coupled with the LSU game may mean that the bloom is off the rose for Kirby. Not that he is under any pressure, because he has accomplished much..but the honeymoon with a lot of fans is getting kind of stale. This is the bad taste that the Sugar Bowl left for us. It will be a long off season until we can hopefully get it washed out.
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Kirby and the 2018 team beat UT,UF,UK,AU,SCe,and tech like rented mules. They won the SEC east handily. They played Alabama to a standstill, lost to LSU in BR at night and lost to a rather large and physical Texas team that beat a playoff finalist earlier in the season. Who among us would not have jumped at this 11-3 season after the 2015 cocktail party?
Obviously the NC is always the goal, but I’m old school and I remember the painful losses to our divisional and traditional rivals. So… I am enjoying this immensely. Sure I was a l little pissed about the Sugar Bowl, who wasn’t? It’s a young team and as long a CKS can keep doing what he’s doing in the east and pounding the wartigles into paste in the west, I’m OK I think.
The playoffs have watered down the bowls so much anymore I can’t find myself giving a shit about them either, really.
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You seem to have caught the contagion that infected our players in the Sugar bowl…they, too, didn’t give a shit about the bowl!!
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Maybe so. 🙂
We’ll get ’em next year. Really looking forward to ND at Sanford. I may actually have to score some tickets for that one. Go Dawgs!
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I’m old school too. I’m old school enough to have seen this type of season many times over. This type of game, many times over. I’m not impressed by all those teams we beat the brakes off of because we were clearly in a much different class than they were. To me, the whole point of Kirby Smart being the head coach of the University of Georgia, is to get us past the LSU and Texas type of losses and have us on the other side of those Alabama games. Three years into to his tenure, it’s now time to produce different results. At this exact same point in his career at UGA, Richt produced at least equal, I’d say better, results. Please don’t give me that recruiting argument, I don’t care if we do it with 5 stars or 3 stars, I just want it done. I can live with playing our best and falling short, even if it means I don’t get to see another NC before I exit this world, but I’m tired of seeing shit shows like the LSU and Texas games when I know we’re capable of putting that trophy on display right here. I’ve seen that movie before, I don’t like the ending.
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Dude don’t take this the wrong way, but I can’t ever remember kicking nine shades of shit out of the entire SEC east in back to back seasons. Or being the team that gets other coaches fired. Or scaring the shit out of Bama fans every time we play them. Or going on the road and beating ND with a freshman QB in his second start.
The fact that we are in a different class than those teams we beat the brakes off of is proof to me that we are on the right track and damn sure an improvement over going into an SEC east schedule knowing that UF, AU and UT were likely to kick our ass and eking out wins over south Carolina and tech. But hey, I’m a “glass half full” kind of guy. YMMV.
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Sorry about the run on. People keep walking into my office and asking work questions and stuff. The nerve of some people.
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Do you think it’s easier to “kick nine shades of shit” out of the SEC in the early 2000s or now?
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Not sure. Kirby is
certainly making it look easier, isn’t he?
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2002 was a great season, and 2003 was fun, but this revisionist history that Richt’s first 3 years was “better” some ridiculous nonsense.
Vs GT
3-0 vs 2-1 (Going to give this round to Richt as that 2001 Tech team was better than anything the Genius trotted out vs Kirby)
Vs Auburn
2-1 vs 3-1 Gus’s Barn teams were better than those Tuberville era teams.
Vs Florida
0-3 vs 2-1 I’ll take beating UF over losing to the Zooker with arguably one of your best teams ever.
Blowing out a playoff contender Auburn in a revenge game > Beating an OK Arkansas team that was on in the game because Bama was on probation
Losing close to possibly Saban’s best Bama team > getting your doors blown off by Saban’s LSU
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Yes, I have to agree with you on the Richt comparison. I think that 2001-2003 were great but certainly not to what the team has done the past two years.
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It made sense that they stopped putting him out there. I mean, Swift was looking great.
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Maybe Swift believes he has created enough film for the pro’s from his freshman and sophomore years that he can save his body by riding the bench in 2019.
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Tbh after Holyfield hit 1,000 they should have just kept feeding Herrien. The kid has earned it.
Everyone is killing Fromm but Swift was the biggest no show of the game.
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I don’t understand the Fromm-hate from this game. He was 60% passing with 3 touchdown passes and 1 interception. This despite being under constant pressure, no running real running game, and receivers dropping passes. Did he play great? Nope. But we’re so used to seeing him complete 70% that 60% seems like a really bad day.
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I think it was the obvious misses that he usually hits. Of course, the few times he was on target the receiver dropped it, or it was stripped. Fromm didn’t play great, but the play calling didn’t help him out either. OL collectively took the night off for some reason.
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Russ’s last sentence is the most overlooked flaw in the game: the OL flat out stunk it up. No room to run and Jake never got comfortable with the D bearing down on him all the time. Pittman may have been the one out late on Rue Bourbon.
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The boxscore doesn’t show all of the missed throws that could have gone for scores, then again it doesn’t show the dropped passes either. I counted 5 that I can remember and 4 of them were Holloman.
Either way I think it’s fair to say that Fromm regressed to LSU form (where he also passed for 60%). His performance in both games would be acceptable for Hutson Mason or Greyson Lambert, but fans expect better from Fromm, and rightfully so imo. Not that he should be run out of town on a rail or anything.
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Fromm padded his stats in the fourth quarter when Texas was playing prevent. His season average QB rating was 171.3. His QB rating for the night was:
1st qtr: 80.2
2nd qtr: 157.7
3rd qtr: 12.6
4th qtr: 193.7
game: 136.3
And that was against a team that was ranked #112 in passing defense. So it was a bad night any way you cut it for Fromm.
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^this
Fromm had an awful game until it didn’t matter. His throws were all over the place, he struggled to get the team in the right play, and when he tried to run it was embarrassing.
It was a bad game for him, but he has had a lot of solid games.
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Herrien and those seeing their first sustained action played hard, as did the seniors who were near the bubble of getting drafted into the NFL.
Sideline demeanor and the lack of communication showed it was a group of individuals rather than a team out there.
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I thought that might have lit a fire and turned the game.
It’s a shame because you don’t get a chance to win a game against this kind of blue blood program or a Sugar Bowl that often. Shame on Kirby for not getting everyone ready to perform “to the standard.” Hopefully, it’s another lesson learned.
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That’s what frustrates me the most. Sure, it wasn’t the playoffs, but it was Texas and the Sugar Bowl. That team and their fans were there and ready to prove themselves. Hearing, “that’s the big, bad SEC!” and the “SEC” chants made it worse. Our guys straight up humiliated all of us on Tuesday.
Also, this was the first game my kids have ever been to, and I had to promise them it’s a lot more fun when Georgia wins. I don’t want to make too much of one game, either, but the lack of effort from the whole team, and that I had to endure it sitting in the Texas section, made me not want to make a bowl trip again.
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Hate that for you…Maybe we’ll get them again before too long.. I’d love to see them and Georgia in the playoffs.
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I was not humiliated in any way. I don’t play, and I don’t let it get personal myself.
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The fact that Kirby allowed a kid who decided not to play & another who is exploring a transfer to hang around took all attention from playing in the Sugar Bowl vs a blue blood. His decision implied that this wasn’t about our team & it wasn’t important to win. Instead it was more important to not ruffle feathers or hurt feelings.
We had too many players thinking the name on the back of the jersey was far more important than the logo on the helmet & all that care about our university.
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But, Atlas, those great individuals must recuse themselves from the chaff that would hold them back. Of course you objectivists understand this better than anyone.
It’s pretty rich to have that moniker and contend that one star player’s refusal to play in a glorified scrimmage negatively impacted the whole of the team. What would John Galt do– secretly design a genius playbook and withhold it from the program because he was dissatisfied being held back within a corrupt system? Jesus.
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“Glorified Scrimmage”
What a tool
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If it is just a glorified scrimmage, then let’s cancel next years edition, or make it free admission and use the same rule book as the G-Day game.
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Speaking of G-Day, it will be interesting to see if CKS has the balls to ask the fans to fill Sanford after this Sugar Bowl shit show.
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Link to where Kirby called it a glorified scrimmage? Good luck.
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Touche’.
Maybe start a new bowl league of players only on his level that plays their games in a unknown stadium w/ no fans present. He certainly wouldn’t hang around the “moochers” & watch their games.
Who is John Galt?
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Sounds like somebody’s triggered.
#OrangeTeamBad
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Actually John Galt would go on strike just like he did in Atlas Shrugged. He figured out that it was a rigged system and refused to participate. Kind of like today’s players.
If John Galt ran college sports players would be free to sell their services to the highest bidder when and wherever they pleased.
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I sat 13 rows up in section 640 on the 50 yard line. I’m not a football novice and Texas’ defense had some alignments and slants that you don’t see a lot of in college football, lots of 3-3 and 4-3 with umbrella coverage. Their front 7 made our OLine look very slow. The Texas coaching staff took Georgia’s staff to school, hanging Fromm out to dry. Chaney was well scouted by Texas or they had our signals. Also, when the opponent’s offense does not sub Kirby seems to get lost on defense and resorts to playing very vanilla. He’s been married to two-deep all season leaving us outnumbered in the box without exceptional linebackers. Lots for Kirby to analyze from this game and he’s still clearly on the learning curve as a game manager. He’s improved Georgia due to great recruiting and superior practice management, good on good.
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Bright..You actually gave some solid reasons for the debacle. “Their front seven made our OLine look slow” is right on. Maybe the line needed to close the gaps and just run right at them?
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Great summary. Our first TD drive was finally grown man football. Either we didn’t, couldn’t, or lost the desire to sustain that. You can blame the kids for lack of execution, but the fault lies with the coaching to get them focused and find those on the sideline like Herrian who wanted to show something. Where was Cook? No jet sweep? Etc, etc.
Ultimately, I think the most distracted person on the UGA sideline may have been Kirby. The loss of Tucker had the HC wearing too many hats.
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Cook was in a walking boot and on a scooter on the sidelines injured.
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Spot on. We were badly outcoached in addition to some of the players mailing it in. Tom Herman has schooled Kirby’s defense twice now, and Todd Orlando vs Jim Chaney isn’t a fair fight.
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Didn’t Kirby have the Texas coaches come observe spring practices? Did I read that somewhere?
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Maybe Kirby needs to stop that. Just sayin.’
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The Texas staff was visiting in Athens during spring practice. I think they learned a few things that worked well for them on Tuesday night.
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And it’s because UGA had plenty of kids who brought passion and energy that night to the Sugar Bowl, that Baker, and really anybody choosing to forgo the bowl game, shouldn’t be on the sideline. Or in team meetings/prep before the game, especially at the bowl site. Think about redshirted freshmen who aren’t going to touch the field hanging out with a team leader who’s Voluntarily Not Playing.
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Yep damn good dawg, and Charlie Woerner as well. Not a good job that our $4.5 million HC couldn’t get the entire team up for the “team that beat the Heisman winner at his house.” We are NOT the #3 program in the nation BTW until we start winning post season games. We are 1-3 last 4 post season games and with an overtime win vs the Big 12- the 4th ranked Conference in the US. We are now back to the status of those teams not named Alabama or Clemson. Bad trend here guys.
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Why doesn’t the SEC championship game last year count as a post-season game? We beat the #2 team in the country on a neutral field. That’s cherrypicking your record for a narrative.
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We’re 2-2 in post season games that could actually lead to a championship (including SECCGs), and the two we lost to Bama were heavily influenced by horrific officiating that went against Georgia.
Btw, Kirby’s salary is $7 million.
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Don’t be that fan who blames officials. We blew leads/gave up leads in both games.
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I call it like it happened. Which is the exact opposite of the officials in the last to Georgia/Bama games.
Don’t be the “don’t be that guy” guy. Super annoying.
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I really don’t get all of the fretting about this game. They weren’t ready to play in a bowl game. It happens all the time. And bowl games are predictive of nothing. You don’t gain or lose momentum for the next season. You just end the last one with a nice or bad memory.
That said, I think most of the team played hard in the game. The problem was in the preparation that many of them didn’t take seriously.
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Scroll up and read Ben’s post (@10;18), Read that guy’s experience.
Fans’s lives matter. They deserve more than this if they’re going to be asked to spend thousands on a trip…or even hundreds on a regular season game/trip. He wasn’t really complaining, but how eager will he be to repeat that experience. It’s all about the fans and their money because when they quit, CFB will become a club sport again.
There would be a few still bitching had Georgia lost despite a herculean effort, but most would accept it. But to get the kind of product that was actually presented… for a small fortune disappoints.
That’s what the fretting is about.
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I don’t have any sympathy for the knee-jerk reaction of fans in the moment. I think college sports would be far better off if fans didn’t spend so much money on it, so if that ridiculously unlikely outcome occurs, good. If that makes me an asshole, well, I already knew I was an asshole.
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Well, as long as you know. 😀
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Speak for yourself. I’m speaking for all the other personalities when I say WE are not assholes–only you are.
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So it’s all about him. I get it, I’ve been to more than a few bowl losses by UGA…I never fretted about it. Life goes on.
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You have to be a millennial! Your thinking and valuation of post season games are typical of those who value “participation” trophies. You play to win, whether it’s sandlot or superbowl…if you don’t feel that then you’re not a true fan nor one who’s been in the “arena”. We got the “participation” trophy and Erlinger got the trophy for being a winner!!
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I’m surprised you didn’t call me a “snowflake”. I don’t even want to seriously respond to this bullshit, but I will. I think winning is important to an extent. I thought the game sucked. I just don’t think it’s some program defining moment. It was a bad performance in a bowl game to which you people are overreacting.
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Wouldn’t the problem there have been boomer parents giving millennials the trophies?
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Boomers are Millenials’ grandparents
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Right. That would be Gen-X giving out participation trophies.
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I think Tim Worley hit the nail on the head. Hopefully the embarrassment that was Tuesday night will be the big slice of humble pie this team needed. Ever since winning the SEC and beating Oklahoma and going to OT with Bama for all the marbles last year… it seems this team has absolutely guzzled the rat poison thinking they are already good enough to just walk out and beat the hell out of anyone. I hope Kirby and the strength staff beats that entitled attitude out of everyone this offseason. This is a disease that if not eradicated could tear down everything Kirby’s built rather quickly if he doesn’t get a handle on it.
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They just went 11-1 and probably should have beaten Alabama in the SEC title game. People are reading way too much into one shitty bowl performance.
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By that logic why the hell did we fire Richt? Our schedule this year was an absolute joke. We lackadaisically cake walked through the first half of it before getting Chuck Norris roundhouse kicked by the first decent team we’d played all year in Baton Rouge. It was only then we got our collective shit together and started playing football up until our hearts were ripped out and stomped on again in Atlanta. BTW they went 11-3. You can’t just pretend the two end of season losses didn’t happen. We played 3 good teams with comparable talent to us all year and lost all 3… 2 of them by significant margins (Don’t start with Kentucky or Florida… they are getting better but both overachieved this season based on their talent level).
I hope that’s all it was was a shitty bowl performance… but my eyes saw a lot of shitty performances this season pre Florida and post Alabama… some weren’t exposed as much due to the level of competition we faced. I think this proves that we miss the level of leadership we lost from that 2017 team a lot more than just the talent alone. It can be fixed… but somebody is going to have to step up.
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Your eyes saw a lot of shitty performances before Florida? They started 6-0, and they trailed for like a minute in that stretch. Maybe you’re being a bit unreasonable in your expectations. I look at the season and see a young team that came an eyelash from repeating as SEC champs and making the playoff.
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6-0 with huge wins over Austin Peay and MTSU. Don’t forget those power houses USCe, Mizzou, Vandy, and Tennessee who all finished (in that order) at the bottom of the SEC East. You must not have been watching the same team as me because I remember us struggling for large portions of most of those games where all should have been firmly in hand by halftime honestly.
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We aren’t 1996 or even 2014 Georgia anymore. I don’t think it was unreasonable to expect to beat everyone on our schedule this year. We were favored in every game except Alabama, most by double digits.
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You’re right. 1996 Georgia went 5-6, and 2014 Georgia lost to an overmatched Florida team by 18 points, failing to win the East. I think it’s unreasonable to every expect to win every game. If your team has an 11-1 regular season and nearly makes the playoff, you should be reasonably happy with it. The Texas game sucked, but you’re treating it like it’s a program defining moment. It’s not.
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I’m probably overreacting a little to how awful we looked Tuesday night because it was so far below the level that we both know the team is capable of playing at. I know it’s just one game. But the underlying cause of how or why it happened has to be at least a little concerning. I don’t think the game was a program defining moment. I do think that what we do about it next year will be.
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Agree about next year and all, but at some point, it just gets hard to keep repeating as East Champs….I think we will again, but the odds say we won’t. A 3 peat isn’t out of the question, but it gets harder and harder every year.
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Until the rest of the division starts catching up on the talent we are stockpiling over here, we will be expected to win the division every year. Anything less will be a huge disappointment.
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If next year doesn’t end with another East title at minimum, you can maybe argue that the bowl game was something like a canary in the coal mine. I think I mostly agree with you there.
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I agree with you on the lack of leadership from the team. Coach Smart has hinted at that throughout the season. Hopefully a leader emerges in the off-season because otherwise, next season has lots of potential, but also potential roadblocks.
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Agreed, things are rarely as bad, nor as good as you think.
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The Worley article is great.
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Players eligible for the NFL draft decide they will not play in a bowl in ’18 season sent a message to D1 programs.
Those programs [AD’s, coaches, sponsors, and donors] do not like this trend from ’17 thru ’18.
Their concern is they will see players start to do this during the regular season.
Slowly but surely the NFL is killing off college football under the current draft system.
Nothing wrong with the bowls and CFPs.
If the players are deemed student athletes the put the emphasis on the first word in the description.
Only draft seniors. There is only a certain amount of roster spots on NFL teams. So the number on those rosters is less than the college pool. There should be enough seniors to fill it.
Defer the workouts and drafts until in July.
Do not allow seniors to use their college resources to prep after the end of their senior season if they sit games.
When a player sits out a bowl or regular season game he has in effect declared himself a professional. Thus he should not be on the sideline during the bowl game. If regular season, then his college career is over.
College football is an amateur sport. Sitting out puts the cloak of a professional athlete on the player.
Sitting out means I am protecting “my asset” or “market value”. At that point his value is almost becoming determinable absent combine performances.
Disregard all these other discussions being made.
When you sit out you have made a conscience decision to no longer be an amateur. Move off the college roster.
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When we first started talking about the likelihood or unlikelihood that players would eventually skip even the playoffs, I thought, “no way”. But if they expand the playoffs to the point that a team will have to play three extra games in the playoffs then it might happen. That’s what 8 teams would do. Right now, it’s bad enough with 4.
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My final two cents on all this.. why is there this notion this game was a glorified scrimmage? Says who? Since when? The Sugar Bowl, or any other for that matter should not be considered as such. The Sugar Bowl never has been to UGA fans, and it certainly wasn’t to Texas. If a player or coach etc doesn’t want to participate in a scrimmage then don’t. Stay home. I jus call bullshit on this “It’s just a glorified scrimmage” so don’t play hard or give a shit about it.
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The vast majority of the fans don’t see it as a gloried scrimmage, otherwise they would not travel and spend the bucks. The problem is we have created an environment where the players are beginning to see it that way. From Daryl Huckaby’s article yesterday (on Baker sitting out)
” I also knew we were in trouble because his teammates were fine with that, and said so. Now this is the key to the whole thing. Actual quote. “If it were the play-offs that would be one thing, but this is just another bowl game.”
The problem becomes, if the players don’t care about the game, why should we?
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Richt was criticized for losing lesser bowl games, but this Sugar Bowl was a scrimmage to some of those same critics. Wish I could follow that tortured logic.
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Brian Herrin always shows up.
He is a legit man and player. He is fun to watch. He is a team player. Someone when he takes the field he leave is on the field and not the sideline.
Be that as it may.
Have not watch any replay of the game.
The concern I have is the lack of blocking adjustments Chaney and Pittman failed, refused, or did not know how to make.
Orlando knew that his seniors were more physical. They could control the gaps and running lanes with more physical players and numbers.
After all those coaches “had picked the brains of the Georgia coaches in the spring”.
Georgia’s coaches had a lot going on prior to bowl. Kirby was down a key coordinator. So perhaps he put more emphasis on the future roster rather than a bowl game, to a degree and not by design.
What input did the defensive coaches put into how a Texas defense would attack the gaps and blocking schemes of the offensive line.
The biggest failure other than those first quarter turnovers that lead to easy Texas scores [which in essence became the difference] was the play of the offensive line. But this is not the first time we have seen this. Florida’s goal line stand, LSU game, Alabama game.
This is a very young [mentally and physically] that is a work in progress. But I do not think Chaney and Pittman planned enough for Texas.
Smart said they went with starters for prep. Understand that. Were they tired? They never got a solid push on a consistent basis tii 4th quarter.
What would help even the numbers is a dual threat QB with more RPOs.
Plus why not put dual running back in at the same time. A few years back that is what Auburn did to spread the defense across the field and eliminate the numerical numbers by defense in closing or eliminating lanes.
Out coached? Out played?
No doubt. They never gave themselves a chance.
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Whoever influenced this kid (parents, grandma, grandpa, uncle frank) I don’t care. Did a wonderful job, Give me three or four of him on offense, three or four on defense and two or three on special teams and we whipping butt til the sun goes down.
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Did watch part of the A&M game.
They were getting beat in the game and on the Oline.
TV showed Fisher after the Oline failed again when they came to the sideline Fisher meet with them. You could hear the Oline coach raising hell about them not getting a push.
When Fisher went of the field at halftime he was asked what adjustments they made. Without getting into specifics they had the line focus and adjust on their techniques.
Plus Mond is one hellava dual threat QB.
Hear that Chaney, Pittman, and Fromm.
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Playing A&M at the end of the season after Auburn (or is it just before?) will be tough. Glad we have them at home.
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We play them right before Yech, which is honestly hard for me to wrap my head around.
Very odd schedule next season.
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Throw in opening with Vandy.
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Right now I’m concerned about next year. I can see 4 losses unless there is substantial improvement; notre dame, florida, aubrin and a & m. I think that Gus is due for a return of his horseshoe (seems to happen every other year) and the other 3 are close enough to us in talent and have better game coaches.
Hope I’m wrong.
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Should’ve played a lot more.
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He did a great job.
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Some people need some perspective. We don’t know what is going on in their lives. It was a game yes a game if they played to their potential they should have one but it still just a game. I watched and was disappointed as much for them as for me. I lost my mom to lung cancer this year after a 18 month battle so I get where this loss falls in the balance of life. I hope everyone can put it into proper perspective.
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Deggy, my regrets for the loss of your Mom..and I agree on perspectives…I lost my son to a tragic accident this year…but I remember him as a player..won his team’s headhunter award as a linebacker..if I could hear him now it would be him saying ” they should have given it all to win”…I miss having him around to talk about the games and in toto the game doesn’t compare…but he would have been disappointed, too.
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Thanks, my condolences to your on the loss of your son. My mom was a fighter too and while she would have been disappointed about a loss. She would not be calling for the coaches’heads and tearing down our team for this game which was an anomaly. You don’t do that because while the loss disappoints you; you also have perspective.
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Herrien always shows up, he’s a heart and soul guy.
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He was the spark this year against Tennessee (?). Remember that great picture of Kirby greeting him on the sidelines.
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19 is the only Texas player who doesn’t get to celebrate.
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