“(Georgia) is sort of just like, ‘We should be entitled because they’re our kids…'”

I’m more than happy to join the chorus of those unhappy with Georgia’s recruitment of offensive linemen.  (Perhaps the money thrown at Rob Sale sent a message that he was needed on the recruiting trail stat.) And I’ve complained about Richt’s approach to roster management for years.  But even with that in mind, I find this to be one deeply strange article about the current state of Georgia recruiting.

That’s what sets the state of Georgia apart from a place like Louisiana. Both are southern states with clear-cut college football powers, but the pull of LSU for the caliber of player Ohio State is looking for is so strong that recruiting Louisiana isn’t worth the risk for the Buckeyes.

Georgia is worth the risk because the players are willing to leave.

Numbers bear that out.  But instead of digging into the whys and wherefores – transient population in the metro Atlanta area, sheer geographic size of the state, the number of D-1 kids the state’s high schools produce annually – the author is satisfied comparing Georgia to Louisiana and Ohio as evidence that Richt’s approach is flawed.

Consider that:

• Since 2005, Georgia has signed 35 percent (7-of-20) of in-state players rated five-star prospects by 247Sports. Meanwhile LSU has signed 67 percent (10-of-15), and Ohio State has signed 73 percent (8-of-11) of their in-state five-stars.

• Of the top 5 in-state players each year from 2006-2014, Georgia has signed just 21, while LSU has signed 35 and Ohio State has signed 31 out of their respective states.

• Georgia has signed the state’s No. 1 overall player just four times in the last decade.

“There are certain states that just by quality and quantity you go, the Texas, the Georgia, the Florida, the New Jersey, those are off the top of my head that we’re going to saturate a little bit, but then we go cherry pick the best players at certain positions, and Ohio State is a national brand,” Meyer said after beating Oregon in the National Championship.

Nice advertising.  Clearly this is a member of the media who has no intention of sitting in Seat 37F.

The timing is strange in that Georgia is having a strong year in state right now on the recruiting front.  The piece also ignores the success Georgia has had doing exactly what it touts Meyer for doing, cherry picking top players from other states.  Not to mention that currently Georgia leads both LSU and Ohio State in whatever recruiting rankings you care to check out right now.

But that’s not the weirdest part of the article.  This is:

Here’s a caption: “How can that happen?”

That was repeated several times by Creekside coach Olten Downs during an in-person interview with cleveland.com on Thursday….

“You see a guy like Vonn Bell making interceptions and you say, ‘How’d you let him leave the state?'” Downs said. “You see a guy like Raekwon McMillan starting as a freshman. You’re hurting for linebackers, but you let this guy leave? How can that happen? I don’t know. I think (Georgia) wants guys who love Georgia, and want to play for Georgia. That’s all fine and dandy but you still gotta make guys feel special and wanted.”

My first thought upon reading that was somebody’s butt hurts.  And I’m not really sure why.  Creekside is where the Berry clan hails from, so there’s little surprise that Tennessee’s made some inroads there.  And that Georgia’s come up short in some battles.  But the Dawgs have a current commitment from a Creekside kid, Jayson Stanley, so it’s hard to understand why Downs is complaining about benign neglect as a standard for Georgia’s recruiting approach.  To criticize Georgia’s staff, especially the guys who’ve been recruiting Georgia’s 2015 class, for lack of effort seems like a bit of an overstatement.

It sounds like Richt needs to go have a heart-to-heart chat with somebody. Because you can bet Corch will be waving this story around for a while.

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UPDATE:  One more thing to put in perspective about this…

Corch has to cherry pick out of state because there simply isn’t enough local talent.  Not just to go around, but even for Ohio State’s selfish needs.  He doesn’t have the wealth of choice available to Richt.  And that’s not changing any time soon.

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60 responses to ““(Georgia) is sort of just like, ‘We should be entitled because they’re our kids…'”

  1. HVL Dawg

    Matthew Stafford, Aaron Murray, Knowshon Moreno, John Theus, Sony Michele, AJ Green…..

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    • Brandon (Version 1)

      Yep, Stafford, Murray, Moreno, and A.J. were as good or better as any recruit produced in State that year and Michel’s good, Chubb may be better but hey we got him too.

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    • Todd Gurley II, Keith Marshall, Trinton Sturdivant (before he got injured), Mohamed Massaquoi, Max Jean-Gilles, Orson Charles – just to name a few others

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    • Ted Deviasse

      I jumped all over the comments of this article already over on Cleveland.com. My first question was why would head coach Olten Downs make these comments??? Here you go: As reporters I’m surprised you didn’t look into Coach Olten Down’s background. He coached at Carver High in Columbus under Dell Mcgee, as Coach McGee was turning Carver into a state power. And after eight glorious years McGee not only won a state title but also a job on Auburn’s Offensive support staff. http://www.al.com/auburnfootball/index.ssf/2013/02/auburn_hires_carver-columbus_c.html and with him came several highly regarded high school prospects out of Carver, namely Gabe Wright. Now back to Olten Downs, McGee’s former defensive coordinator at Carver, Downs left Carver High to become the head coach at Creekside, after two years as the head coach at Riverdale. Now suddenly nobody at Creekside is being shown the love by Georgia I’m sure it has nothing to do with the bad blood between McGee and Richt while Downs was at Carver:.http://espn.go.com/high-school/story/_/id/4348798/coach-bans-bulldogs-staff-campus/. Plus I’m sure Downs isn’t shopping for a job at a major powerhouse university as a Defensive Quality Analyst, right? Not to fret Buckeye fans, you’ll probably end up with either Venzell Bowlware or Jawon Pass out of Carver Columbus in 2016, just don’t be surprised to see Coach Downs or Coach Kegler dotting the I in Scarlet and Grey.

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    • TNlogdawg

      Don’t be surprised if Pat Allen comes back to the good guys…

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  2. Brandon (Version 1)

    I’ve got a lot of work to do today so I’ll keep this brief. LA and GA are not very comparable. LA’s borders are not dotted with traditional football schools like Auburn, Clemson, and FSU just to name the closest. Also as the you (the Senator), say the transient factor is no joke. In school we used to say that practically no one from Atlanta is really from there, and its true. Being from South Georgia, the vast majority of us are UGA/Braves/Falcons/Hawks fans. Friends of mine from Atlanta who went to school at UGA were all over the place after their UGA allegiance. When the Braves play the Red Sox or the Cubs or the Yankees the dang stands at Turner Field are full of opposing fans and most of them are locals. LSU’s not just the only significant college team in LA, it’s about the only significant team of any kind in LA, the Saints have been good some in the past decade sure but that’s a damn new development. Almost every prospect in LA’s has parents, brothers, uncles, aunts, and cousins for whom LSU is the only team they care about. Unless LSU goes completely in the tank like they did in the 90’s (along with UGA), they are going to dominate that State in a way we will never be able to dominate ours.

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    • Agree 100%. May I add another difference between recruiting Louisiana and recruiting Georgia? The difference in the geographic size of the two states is a factor. Athens is a long way from south and west Georgia. FSU is a lot closer to the South Georgia population centers than UGA. Auburn is a lot closer than UGA for the west Georgia crowd. I grew up in Atlanta but my Father is from the Chattahoochee Valley area. We would spend a lot of time there visiting Grandparents and other relatives, all of whom were college football fanatics. To them UGA was a long way away but Auburn was the neighborhood school.

      Georgia also has a high percentage of its population centers near state borders. Camden County and other parts of SE Georgia, such as Charlton County and Clinch County are part of the Jacksonville, Florida media influence. The South Georgia folks get Tallahassee media. Columbus and LaGrange and west Georgia Georgia get media coverage with an Auburn influence. Rome and Dalton and the rest of NW Georgia has a Tennessee presence. South Carolina has a presence in Augusta. Those areas not only have the schools’ presence in their media but have alums on the ground, providing an indirect influence.

      I will bet that Baton Rouge is closer to the edges of Louisiana than Athens is to the edges of Georgia. It is easier for LSU to be the neighborhood school in All areas of Louisiana than in Georgia.

      I know the counter argument that modern communication and transportation makes the geographic distance less significant . However, those same things makes the out of state schools seem even closer, too.

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      • Hank

        Baton Rouge is about a 5 hour drive from the northern parts of the state,similar to south GA and Athens. The news in the other parts of the state are called Arklatex and similar depending on which corner. So there is some similarly to Ga. A big difference is that NO news media in the state reports negatively about anything LSU. Ever. And as already stated, it is the only big game around. Even the grads of the other schools in the state are LSU fans. Loyalty to LSU is huge. Tiger tattoos on one arm and a Saints symbol (can’t spell it) on the other.

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        • Gaskilldawg

          Thanks, Hank, for correcting my mistake about LA.

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          • Hank

            I was certainly not trying to be ugly. I did see a lot of validity to what you wrote. I apologize if it came off rude. I thought it was small too, until I drove it.

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        • Howl&Woof

          Good point, Hank. The Atlanta media often present stories from a negative perspective because our transient residents often resent the home school and love a little dirt. As many Dawg fans as there are in Metro Atl, there are probably more combined non-dawgs and anti-dawgs.

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      • gastr1

        +1. This sums up the issue well. Note, too, that Texas A & M is teh closest major football school to LSU…the Mississippi schools are well to the north.

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        • Bright Idea

          The constant publicity from AJC and ATL talk radio about the drug policy and arrests is also heard more by in-state kids and parents. Few homers in the state media. UGA coaches may also be more aware of any character issues or coaches with their hands out in this state and stay away from certain schools.

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          • gastr1

            Well, and they can afford not to be homers with Tech in the biggest city and its high density of sports fans. Haven’t really noticed Tulane in the Orange Bowl lately.

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          • Bazooka Joe

            ok lets cut to the chase…. more times than will ever be admitted is kids know they cant get away with doing whatever they want at UGA, but they can at Auburn, South Carolina, Bama. FSU, Ohio State, etc…. so they go there knowing they can party their brains out and do whatever with no repercussions (well heck, no real repercussions at UGA, they get kicked off the team with no restriction on transferring and end up at the barn or Louisville or Bama).

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  3. I agree with Olten Downs. Mark Richt is soft in his approach.

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  4. Sounds like this year’s repeat of the annual comment that “UGA lets too many get away.” It has been, what, 25 years since the recruiting rankings business started to boom? Every year there have been more players available who became good college stars than UGA had scholarships available. If in a year Georgia high schools produced 60 kids of D-1 football caliber and we signed 25 then folks would wonder how we let the other 35 get away.

    At the same time folks complain that our underachieving recruiting results are better than a 73.9 winning percentage. Consistency, that’s for Disney Dawgs!

    I don’t agonize over our football recruiting. As a rabid UGA basketball fan I regret the difficulty we have had recruiting the top rated players in Georgia. I do think our basketball recruiting is getting a lot better, though, as we are beginning to finish in the top half of the conference with consistency.

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    • gastr1

      Every time I see something like this article come out, I think, well, if you are going to do this with any integrity at all you most of the time will HAVE to offer late. Unless you’re oversigning by a ton, that is, or intend to oversign by a ton, or are willing to promise the same starting positions to 7-8 players at once.

      So it seems to me that many coaches are willing to let any old promise come right out of their mouths for kids who are two, three years away from signing anywhere.

      Where is the article about the coaches who do THAT?

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  5. Lrgk9

    Ya got to figure parts of Atlanta as a separate state altogether.
    Ohio and LA have nothing like it in their borders.

    Miami is a better comparison than a Columbus or a New Orleans.

    Not to say I’m not happy about Sale being hired and a corner being turned on OL recruiting. Something had to be done. We bring the OL recruiting up to the level of the DL recruiting and we take a step forward.

    Now – if something could just be done about the quality and consistency of SEC officials…

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  6. fred russo

    You build a winning program and they will come! CMR is not the guy to do that!

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  7. Scorpio Jones, III

    Vonn Bell…hmmm was he not a Grantham miss?

    There is no answer to a piece like this. Sounds like Dickhead is giving the media up there what it wants.

    To say Georgia is not a national brand is disingenuous….naw, its just plain bullshit and Dickhead knows it.

    If Dickhead coached in Athens (God Almighty forbid) he’d be wailing about Tennessee, Alabama, Auburn, Kentucky, South Carolina and Florida and he’d be pointing out all the transient populations north of the gnat line.

    Nobody moves TO Ohio, but a helluva lot of people move FROM Ohio.

    To Georgia.

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    • TNlogdawg

      Bell actually live in TN in the Chattanooga area (where I live). Bell’s family was All TN and he was never going to GA. SOD screwed that up or he would have been a vol.

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  8. dawgfan

    The article was a cheap shot for certain. Anybody with half a brain knows that Georgia is surrounded by other states with outstanding programs right on our border. Georgia is also full of transplants from other states. As a matter of fact, I believe Georgia just passed Ohio in population or is very close to doing so. People who are not UGA fans are moving in like crazy.

    If CUM wants to pull that article out on the recruiting trail, so be it. If that’s the best he can do, he’s bringing a knife to a gunfight because there is a MOUNTAIN of negative articles about him and his personal.weaknesses. In addition, it looks like Penn State and Michigan may be coming back on line. That probably won’t be good for Corch’s physical or emotional health either.
    Based on his track record, I give him another 3 years max before the stress gets to him.

    The coach at Creekside has to be getting extra benefits to steer kids to Tennessee. A degree from UGA is more valuable and UGA is dominating the series since CMR coach. Shame on him. He’s looking out for himself and UT and not the student athletes at Creekside.

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  9. TennesseeDawg

    Not winning anything of note since 2005 will do that. Losing to bad SEC teams will do that. Ohio St can sell a national championship right now. Georgia can sell a Belk Bowl win. Other schools have been using this kind of stuff against us for years

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    • If that stuff is working:

      How do we continue to go to South Carolina and take Mr. Football from there right out from under Clem’s Son and USCe?
      How do we go to Tampa and take who should have been the GPOOE’s successor right out from under Corch’s nose?
      How do we go to Miami and take Sony Michel right out from the heart of the U?
      How do we go to eastern North Carolina and take 2(!) blue chip running backs that took us 5 yards from a national championship shot as freshmen?
      How do we go to Washington State and get a commitment from the current 2016 #1 overall prospect?
      How do we have the #1 overall prospect in the country in 2015 according to the 247 composite locked down for months?

      We can complain about some things about Georgia football over the last 8-9 years, but recruiting isn’t one of them. We bring in just as many quality Jimmies and Joes as everyone else. We’ve had to deal with whiny metro Atlanta head coaches since the guy who was Jamal Lewis’s head coach said he would rather eat a used sweat sock than send one of his players to UGA.

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      • 100% correct. Also, how did we get Sinkwich from under Penn’s and Pitt’s noses? Trippi from under The Ohio State’s nose? Bratkowski from Big Ten country? Coach Mike from UF?

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    • McTyre

      Uh OK. So what’s the Vols big selling point to spurned Ga recruits? You seen their on the field futility for the last 10 years?

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  10. Jim

    I don’t know how a college football program keeps athletes from leaving their state. I suppose some programs are better salesmen than others. But, to me, there is something to be said for considering it important that a young man not be put under ridiculous stress / pressure to do what a coach(es) want him to do. We have all heard the kinds of tactics used by certain football programs that won’t take no for an answer. Some programs seem to feel that the most important thing in the recruiting process is to make sure they (school) have things the way they want it with little to no regard for what the football prospect may want. There is nothing wrong with being aggressive to a degree. There is nothing wrong with being persistent to a degree. But, when a football program has a “we know what is best for you” attitude which really simply means “come here or else” well, that is just wrong. As long as winning at all costs is the only the thing that matters and coaches’ job security seems to last only from one game to the next, schools like UGA will continue to be mocked by coaches like Olten Downs and by papers such as the one who quoted him.

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  11. simpl_matter

    Goebbels gives this article a +1!

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  12. Skint

    Bottom line is that we have missed and evaluated poorly on the OL front for years. We haven’t had a problem signing private school kids for the OL, but we miss on Carpenter, the Warmacks, Juwann James, the FSU guys, and the SC guys. Several first rounders and all Georgia guys. Seems like we don’t want these guys. Maybe Sale and Schott will change our mindset.

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    • W Cobb Dawg

      Agree. The article is all baloney EXCEPT the parts about OL recruiting – which is dead on. Our OL recruiting has been mediocre for CMR’s entire tenure. Perhaps I’m wrong, but when/if we sign Ben Cleveland in 2016 he might be CMR’s first 5 star OL recruit. Or at least the first 5 star we’ve had in a very long time.

      The good thing for Sale & Schotty is we have Ben Cleveland as a verbal for 2016, and he lives near Athens. He’ll serve as a great anchor to built our best OL recruiting class around. But the 2015 OL recruiting class looks to be very lackluster.

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      • RocketDawg

        John Theus would like a word….(5* 2011)

        I get all the grumbling and bitching about our O Line recruiting because until this year our line has been a major liability instead of a strength. IMO coaching is much more important than how many stars a kid has/gets during the recruiting cycle. Kids that big in HS may have already maxed out their physical attributes and skills by the time the get on campus. Or they have build their resume tossing 220 lb HS Dline men around for 4 years. O line is the one position that is a huge crap shoot when it comes to talent evaluation. I think Friend was on the right track last year and the Oline should be a strength this year. It took him a couple of seasons to unfuck what Searles left when he bolted. If Coach Sale can coach up who we already have and add some quality depth to develop over the next couple of years we should be fine,

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  13. The reality is that we had pat Allen so we werent recruiting the creekside kid because we don’t recruit kids we don’t have room for. Then Allen flipped and now we’re desperate. The creekside coach, the author and likely Meyer uses the situation to suggest our recruiting strategy is one of entitlement. Pretty weak.

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  14. Mayor

    All this type BS goes away with winning a few SEC Championships and a Nattie or two. The reason it stings a bit is–it’s got the ring of truth to it. What I don’t get is why we’re even chasing Boulware’s Tennessee-loving 3 star ass in the first place. And how did our HC get put in the position of having to stand next to a smart-ass in a UT outfit and get his picture made like that? Insulting and it was staged by that Creekside coach who has some sort of bug up his ass against Georgia. I’ll bet that HS coach didn’t get recruited by Georgia himself and is still butt-hurt about it. And why is UT such a good destination anyway? Last time I checked the Vols haven’t had a winning regular season in about 8 years and Georgia has beaten them 5 years in a row.

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  15. chesterhighwater

    Georgia does need a couple more OL but assuming Pat Allen and 1 or even 2 or the recent offers pan out the Dawgs will be fine.

    The D line at least is foo g to be the best in the nation. Now how they end up after 4 years is unknown but as of NSD it will be the highest ranked.

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  16. Mike Cooley

    Isn’t there so e guy named Chubb who was an in state kid that ended up on the team? I guess we only got him because Corch had better running backs already.

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  17. JN

    I guess I feel better knowing the AJC isn’t the only big city paper with sports editorialist who stir the pot with articles that lack logic and forethought. The author starts out talking about blue chip 5 star and the goes on to show an example of that with a “3 star with upside”. How many “3 stars with upside” leave every state? I would go a step further and ask the author this. If GA is so loaded with talent, wouldn’t it only make sense to not go after every 3 star with upside” say…in a year where you’re returning 80% of one of the best run blocking lines in the country?

    There’s also a giant dose of being dis-ed (sp?) brought on by a giant helping of entitlement in that article, but I’m going to refrain…starting now.

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  18. Irwin R. Fletcher

    Downs learned the coaching craft under Del McGee at Carver…the same McGee that went to work for AU and never seemed to like UGA. Wonder if some of that rubbed off.

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  19. Otto

    Richt signs plenty of talent at QB and RB. The program needs to sign more on the OL and it doesn’t have to be 5 star. Good coaching, S&C with a mix of 3 and 4 star in enough number would be an awesome improvement.

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    • RocketDawg

      We have 17 Oline on scholarship right now….only 5 can play at a time. How many do you propose we have?

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      • Brandon (Version1)

        Yeah and its not like its been our offense has been dragging us down. We’d be hard pressed to be much more productive offensively than we have been the last three years.

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  20. Mike Cooley

    “You have to make them feel special and wanted.” Ok I’m do e throwing up now. Personally, I don’t want guys who only sign with us if they are made to feel “special”. We have our turn at signing egomaniacs and divas who want coaches to “embrace their personality”. Those guys do stupid things at critical times like go for an int on a last gasp Hail Mary instead of just knocking the ball down. This is “article” is a recruiting weapon put together by Corch and his media sycophants up there in Yankee land. This butt hurt coach is a clown who is probably an Aubren guy,

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    • Bazooka Joe

      Mike that will never happen until Rivals, 247, and yes…. us fans – stop treating recruiting like its a big thing. We are criticizing the kids for “playing the game” that we adults created. Cant blame them… blame us and the media.

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  21. It’s not hard to figure out why Olten Downs is down on Georgia and up with Tennessee and why an pro Ohio media guy would want to interview him.
    Eric Berry graduated from Creekside and played at Tennessee. Berry’s brothers, Evan and Elliott, were seniors on the championship team.
    When Berry signed with the Chiefs he started the Eric Berry Foundation. The foundation rebuilt the youth football facilities in Fairburn, where he played as a kid. He also spent money on the city to rebuild it parks and added infrastructure.
    The Elite Camp trumped all camps hosted by the Eric Berry Foundation. Teamed up with YSportz Camps once again, EBF brought in 12 NFL Players to work one on one with invitation only up and coming talented Junior and Senior High School Students in the Atlanta area. This was held in Fairburn at Creekside HS and Coach Downs helped run it.

    I don’t think much of Bill Landis from Northeast Ohio Media Group. The Northeast Ohio Media Group is a digitally focused media company that launched in August of 2013.
    I am a little disgusted with Coach Downs and just have to believe he had a hand in staging the Tennessee jersey and unfortunate picture. I wonder if Butch Please has managed to post that pic over his desk by now. Tennessee fans can be such douches.
    I was looking for that Lulu pic to post but ran across this one and couldn’t pass it up.lol.

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  22. Dawgfan Will

    It must be nice to have a local paper to write propaganda for you. Wonder what that’s like?

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  23. You know, because coaches like Olten Downs definitely have the welfare of their own 17/18 year old players and not his own personal interests/agendas in mind when he steers players to a school that does this:

    http://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/tennessee-football/four-star-de-ford-decommits-tennessee/

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  24. Britdawg75

    What’s wrong with looking for kids who love Georgia and want to play for Georgia? I see that as more important than the number of stars. Get a lot more commitment and effort when that happens, and that leads to guys developing well. Sense of entitlement from 5 stars leads to poor effort, a lot transfer, and don’t work hard enough to develop their talent. Recruiting done right is a 2 way street, first, you look for love and interest, then you show love and interest. 1 way streets are a waste of time. Olten Downs strikes me as a guy who doesn’t know how to deal with entitlement issues. Mark Richt & Jeremy Pruitt literally have no time for that crap, if he senses entitlement, you’re in the doghouse and usually eventually a bus out of Athens. It’s the No 3 ranked recruiting team, with a shot to finish No 1. Hard to fault the 2015 recruiting class, it’s loaded, and universally lauded by scouts. Looks like he’s trying to negative recruit Georgia and help out his beloved Tenn.

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  25. Bob

    Sounds like these guys, Carvel,Bradley & Shultz have been spooning!!!

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  26. joe

    Does seem that we are a little lazy in the state.

    How did we not even offer aj gray? That kid has been the best player in Georgia the last 2 years. It’s not like Waco does not have a history. But, then you look at the history….terry jones-bama, Takeo spikes-auburn, the kids before spikes went to fsu…uga got Robert and Terrence Edwards. But, anyway, the track record shows that if there is a once in a generation stud at waco, he is going to pan out as a cfb player, likely an all American, and a likely NFL player. So, why didn’t uga recruit aj gray? I can assure you that 4 years from now, he will be a better safety than any other player from the state of Georgia. I just worry that he will ruin his future by playing qb at tech.

    How on earth did mark richt allow that clown john jancek to take a commit from chase vasser before Jarvis jones? That was the most insane thing I have ever seen in recruiting. It’s almost like we sometimes say let’s fill the 3 spots we have open instead of saying let’s get the best 3 guys to fill the available spots.

    Sometimes you just whiff. We took tray Matthews and never really got after von bell. That was obviously just a mistake, but Matthews was a dipshit who was highly talented. Should we have interviewed him more to understand what kind of kid he was? Yes, but I think that goes back to laziness.

    Anyway, the reason why great qb’s don’t come from Western Pennsylvania anymore is because all the people who used to live in western PA now live in gwinnett County or somewhere in Florida.
    Louisiana has 4.6 million people.
    Alabama has 4.8 million people.
    Metro Atlanta has 4.3 million people.
    To compare Louisiana and Georgia is simply absurd. The state of Ohio is literally shrinking in population, so people may be loyal to state u, but they are probably paying taxes to Georgia cronies.

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