Pardon my French, but this is fucking nuts.
LSU football coach Les Miles’ future is in danger even if the Tigers win out to end the regular season, an LSU Board of Supervisors member said on Friday.
“I think if he wins the next two games, it’s still something that needs to be looked at,” LSU Board of Supervisors member Ronald Anderson told Gannett Louisiana on Friday. “It’s the way they lost the two games.”
No. 15 LSU (7-2, 4-2 Southeastern Conference), which plays at No. 22 Ole Miss (7-3, 4-2 SEC) at 2:30 p.m. Saturday on CBS, lost to unranked, four-loss Arkansas by 31-14 last week and lost, 30-16, to then-No. 4 Alabama the previous week when the Tigers were 7-0 and No. 2 in the College Football Playoff rankings. Those were LSU’s first back-to-back losses by double digits since 1999 when the program was in the midst of eight losing seasons in 11 years.
“If he wins them both, that complicates it,” said Anderson, who has served on the board on and off since 1997. “That’s my opinion. It’s not just the number of losses, but the quality of the losses. The next two games are really important to deciding the future of the program. And you’ve got to look at the progress of the program from the standpoint of a number of years.”
Translation: we’re not Alabama this year! Waaaahhhh!!
The only possible rationalization I can think of for taking that tack publicly is the hope that you irritate Miles enough he decides to quit and walk away from his $15 million buyout. Then again, if he’s that irritated, why wouldn’t he make you fire him?
I wonder how large a buyout LSU’s next head coach negotiates for himself.
Get The Picture 
“but the quality of the losses” evidently means a hell of a lot more to LSU but not quite so much at UGA.
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Hi, hammer.
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I was just about to say something like: first comment and the thread has already gone South.
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You know, that would make a great Frank Sinatra song:
“When all you have,
Is a hammer . . . . “
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It’s Hammer Time!
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Throwin’ in some Jan Hammer.
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Kindly enlighten me on the intended meaning of “hammer” in your response. I don’t believe I know.
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It means you’re always nailing something…….Richt, the offense, the defense, your sister. FOAD.
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Hah!
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If the only tool you have is a hammer, you tend to see every problem as a nail.
Abraham Maslow (1908 – 1970)
My understanding is that the function of a hammer is to drive or hit a nail with no other jobs to do, and so “hammer, meet nail” approach suggests that you have only to hammer Richt/Georgia for perceived shortcomings and that is all you intend to do with your voice here at GTP. You’re a hammer and Richt is your nail. Hard to hear each other and enjoy posts here with all this hammering going on.
OMV
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Much obliged. But nobody’s arm is being twisted out of the socket to be forced to read anything that I post. So, I would suggest, just don’t read them. I do get the feeling sometimes that those who tend to disagree with the pro-Richt crowd are not well thought of on this blog. So be it.
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Seriously?
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Actually, I am.
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The post was about LSU’s fan base and Les Miles. It had nothing to do with Georgia. Or Richt.
Do I really need to lay this reminder on you again?
If you can’t control your knee jerking about Richt, I’m not going to ban you. I’m just going to shut comments down until you and everyone else who can’t control themselves are ready to get your heads out of your collective asses.
Enlightened now?
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You are more patient than me with jokers like this. Thanks for the blog.
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Gentlemen, I would sincerely read this as a final warning. The Senator does not strike me as the type to keep warning…he will pull this car over. Sadly, to those few of you the warning is intended you will take it as a source of pride to push past the limit because you don’t respect GTP for what it is (best damn UGA Football blog). You believe this is some narcissistic forum to prove how smart you are about one issue.
Get the Picture.
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That’s fine. Now you have made yourself perfectly clear. I did not grasp the exact meaning of your previous comment/warning. But I do now. I suspect a lot of us get tired of hearing the same old excuses every damn year from the pro-Richt crowd justifying why the hell UGA can’t consistently beat a top team. I always suspected this blog was a little pro-Richt, so I am not surprised. So far as it goes, I will voluntarily quit commenting on this blog and just wait to see if UGA ever gets the guts to do what it must to be nationally relevant as a major football power. I have my doubts.
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I made myself clear before.
I really don’t care whether you comment or not. Your opinion is welcome. Your lack of respect for my wishes isn’t.
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Welcome to the senators re-education camp noaxetogrind,
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Doesn’t seem to have crimped your style.
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I was surprised at the amount of anger in your response, here. Your original post was about whether a fan base was nuts for wanting to see a 9-2 coach who was a proven winner gone. The subtext seemed to very clearly invite speculation as to how similar their fans / coach are to our situation. NATG actually quoted the article.
You post fairly frequently on the subject of CMR’s job security, how the market for coaches is right now, how much we can trust BM with the hire, CMR’s performance, etc – so everybody here – including you – tends to repeat themselves in one way or another. It’s hard to avoid.
You typically have not come down on people unless they post the same thing fifty times in the same thread.
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Hmmm… perhaps you should go back and review the comment thread. I thought my first response was light-hearted. It’s when he played the “gee, what did I do?” card that he got smacked.
Sorry if that bothers you.
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Jeez! Firing squad or black capsule Les?
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listening to Mandel and Feldman’s podcast discuss this. Their take was that Saban makes things really difficult for everyone in the SEC because every fan base thinks they have what it takes to beat Bama. What all these schools need to think about is can they go get someone that can beat bama and saban because until you can do that (and consistently in the west) you arent going anywhere.
But LSU people think that Jimbo Fisher will come to LSU and he could consistently beat saban.
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+1
But LSU people think that Jimbo Fisher will come to LSU and he could consistently beat Saban.
FWIW per my FSU friends, this rumor has more legs than people think.
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And from hearing a lot of the FSU people talk, I’m not sure they’d have their feelings hurt too much about it. There is a larger number of their fans than you’d think that hate Jimbo as a gameday coach. Love his recruiting, but a lot of them feel like they won that national title simply because that team was too talented to fail, not because of Jimbo’s coaching. Have been a lot of calls this year for him to give up the playcalling.
So basically, I’m not sure there’s a school out there whose coach has been in place for multiple years where the fan base fully loves their coach, outside of Bama and Ohio St. 🙂
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That is the talk down here. Fisher is #1 on the list to come to Baton Rouge. All the LSWHO peeps that I talk to say Miles is done even if he wins out. Not even a New Years Six bowl will save his job. We will see.
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But according to some on here we are the only fan base that has “unrealistic” expectations. I was under the impression that all other fans of other teams hold hands and sing kumbaya. It’s just UGA that has bad fans that kill recruiting by commenting on blogs..
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I actually think we have a pretty sane fan base in comparison to a lot of our peers. I remember PAWWLLL getting frustrated trying to enrage our base when he couldn’t attack auburn or Bama because they were both on top. I think he found our general reasonableness unusual and even said so. He was basically saying that fans in the state of Alabama would have been out their minds in 2010 but we really weren’t. There’s a loud minority to be sure, but mostly I think we’re pretty reasonable folks overall.
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We? You’re not among the reasonable Derek. But that was damned funny.
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It’s too bad that we can’t draw concentric circle Venn diagrams for the illiterate.
The “we” is the uga fan base.
My opinion is that “we” are reasonable.
Your opinion that I am an unreasonable member or a otherwise reasonable fan base is noted.
I would first state that not promoting the firing of the coach with the highest winning percentage of any coach employed at Georgia in 75 years probably includes me as being on the reasonable side of things.
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I knew what you meant. It’s not complicated. I’m saying you worded it badly as you are in a class all by yourself.
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If the first game isn’t cancelled he goes 10-2. How on earth do you fire that guy? He’s always in contention nationally, recruits his ass off and beats Bama enough to keep it interesting. Wow.
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Les Miles and Mark Richt are Bruce Willis and Samuel Jackson from Unbreakable, respectively. Every time Mark Richt makes a bad call and blows a game, or doesn’t have the team prepared for a crucial date on the schedule, The Mad Hatter has a fake FG convert for a TD to win the game. Otherwise, they’re practically the same guy.
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Except for this: Les’ team has played in two national championship games and won one.
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Once with two losses…one hell of a lot of luck there…
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Yes two overtime losses (Against probably 2007’s #1 SOS ) is exactly the same as a loss to a crappy USC team (@home no less) and just seal clubbed by Tennessee. Two teams lsu beat that year. Btw.
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Yet, we had a year with 1 loss..go figure.
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Somehow, they always ignore that part.
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with players who would not have seen the field for Georgia; we don’t get breaks like the honey badger
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Mark Richt is no Les Miles….not even close.
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Why does Lester have a losing record to CMR if “it’s not even close?”
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We’ve been fortunate to not have to play them when they’ve had some of their better teams. Obviously it’s speculation either way, but if we played LSU every year like UF does, I’d be willing to wager that Richt would have a losing record against Miles. Again, I know I can’t prove that, but think the likelihood is very high.
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So it’s “not even close” if we rely upon your powers of perception and not actual games that have been played. I would again remind people that but for a bullshit celebration call on AJ CMR would be 4-1 vs that hat.
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No. He wouldn’t it would still be 2-3 without the celebration penalty
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LSU fans confirm that as well when they said (previous to the last time we played them) they were concerned about UGA more than any other team. We confirmed their fears in that game.
Who are these yahoos running around firing blanks in out midst?
NATG (NAT Guy?), you don’t have to watch UGA football and comment if you don’t want anyone to read your negative take on our Coach and program. Go to hell or the AJC – your choice.
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That’s not the point.
There have been, are and will be plenty of posts on the subject of Mark Richt in which venting about him is appropriate. This, however, isn’t one of those.
Nobody made you the Thought Police, either.
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Thank you. That needed saying as well.
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I never used the phrase “not even close”. My point was that their head to head record isn’t a super strong argument given the relatively small sample size. And given our performance against ranked teams in the era that Miles has been there, I really don’t see it as a stretch at all to think Richt would have a losing record to Miles if we played them annually.
And as pointed out in other spots, that running play that they scored on would have been a TD from anywhere on the field. So it’s a bit of the pot calling the kettle black for you to accuse me of not looking at the actual games played. 🙂
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Les Miles is better than Mark Richt. Played for two and won one national championship. During his time at lsu he’s had more ten and 11 win seasons (he’s had more 11 win seasons than Richt in less time as well i might add) than Richt, higher winning percentage, more sec championships, more seccg and bcs bowl appearances. But sure keep sticking to the national championships don’t count!!! And head to head he’s 2-3 against Richt (which if u follow that argument to it’s end Ron Zook and lane muffin are better coaches than Richt) arguments and counting les’ s rebuilding years at OSU against him.
Also even without the bullshit call against AJ in 09 we still lose because a) we couldn’t cover a kick off (man sounds familiar ) and the defense still allowed theirrrunning back to break contain for a touchdown when everyone in the stadium knew lsu wad going to run the ball.
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Oh and les has accomplished this while playing in the west. Against that Saban guy.every year. While Richt has had the benefit of the east’s traditional powers implode themselves the last 5 years.
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Great points. Miles has had a great run at LSU, and having to play Saban every year has not made it any easier. A couple of big “ifs”, but if LSU fires Miles and UGA does not fire Richt, what does that say about the two schools? I have always thought LSU was a peer school to UGA, but if this happens, I would have to say that expectations to win are higher there than they are here.
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1) Lester doesn’t get to the 2007 national title game if Vandy and Kentucky don’t blow it against UT. We’d have been favored by a td vs lsu in the seccg game. And yes Lester had two losses in 2007 just like we did.
2) if CMR has beaten Lester more times than not (3-2) why should I listen to your opinion? I watched those five games. I know the outcomes. Who gives a damn about your opinions? When do facts enter the discussion? Are you some sort of expert on coaching where you can divine superior coaching within a 2-3 record? Please explain. I think saban and Meyer and spurrier are all better because of RESULTS. Would you listen to someone say well yes but CMR has won more sec titles this century that’s spurrier and has 4 more sec east titles than spurrier this century so my OPINION is that CMR is clearly the better coach and if ands and but and frog with wings and candy and fucking nuts….
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If richt was in the west and roles were reversed he would of already been run out of Baton Rouge. Not consistently beating Bama is what is costing Miles his job along with him unable to develop his QBs.
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1) complete speculation. Even if we had made it to the SECCG, there’s now way to know if we would’ve won and then more speculation that we would’ve won the BCSNCG.
2) because it’s one data point. you’re basing your entire argument that Richt is better than Miles because of the head to head record. By that argument like i said Ron Zook and Lane Kiffin are better coaches than Richt and Tommy Tuberville is better than Urban Meyer since Tubbs was undefeated against Urban. I basing my argument on the coaches’ body of work that ‘s why I’m comfortable saying who’s better. Also If you read my post I only have 1 opinion, my argument that MIles is better. Mean while you’re post is 1) speculation 2)name calling and 3)1 singular data point. But yes keep beating the drum that I’m not looking at facts. Even though my post above was nothing but well, facts.
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There are a few more “data points” on zook. He does have a losing career record. Richt is over .740. Kiffen is 1-0 so not a very large sample.
My point about 2007 is that we were both 10-2. He won the west tiebreaker and we didn’t win the east. We were clearly the two best teams at the end of the year. That les wins out that year while win pound Hawaii In New Orleans I can’t say “see 2007” so les is better! It’s just a real dumb argument.
I didn’t make the argument that CMR IS better. I was responding to the argument that les is “clearly better.” Also a dumb argument. If you want to look at both of their careers and the fact the CMR has the head to head lead I think that the best you can say with certainty is that it’s a toss up.
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Charlotte, don’t sound like a harlot. Take all your anti-Richt rhetoric and plug in his years at FSU for your “Can’t do this, can’t do that ” crap. You can’t cherry pick what you want to make your point about if you try to revise history and Richt’s experience while attempting it. His great record as a coach will make you a liar every time and demonstrate convincingly that you don’t have any basis for your rant.
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Same as Richt has losing record v. Zook. So you think Zook is dramatically better than Richt, right Derek?
It’s titles. It’s overall record. It’s recognized coaching awards.
it’s not even close son.
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Son, 3 games isn’t as large a sample as 5 games son. 3-2 vs les son and it might’ve been 4-1 vs les son had they not thrown that flag son. Son, Richt’s overall record is better than les’ son. CMR son has more division titles son. Son, les has lost 5 son straight son to Bama son. CMR son has never lost 5 straight son to anyone son. Son, it’s at least very close son. Son some people might say CMR has a slight edge son.
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You’re tied 7-7 at halftime w GASOU son….Charlie Brown sux!
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your point, Son? Which seven are you cheering for, Baller?
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If LSU gets rid of Miles, they are absolutely nuts. If he ends up 10-2 in the game’s toughest neighborhood, he has done a hell of a job. I don’t remember where they were picked preseason, but the Bayou Bengals have overachieved this year. Sure, they face planted against Arkansas, but there’s no shame in losing to this Alabama team, which may be the nation’s best. The problem LSU has is the same one Georgia has – there isn’t a QB on the roster who can do what the coaches need him to do consistently.
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True, but at LSU a good QB is the exception. They’re known for winning in spite of not because of QB play.
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“I don’t remember where they were picked preseason,” EE, there’s hope.
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And I don’t have an argument with your point, EE. I picked them to win the West at season’s start, but that doesn’t mean that I assessed them correctly. My point at that time was to throw crap at all the ESPN pundits not picking them and giving extra praise undeservedly to A@M because of their D coor falderal. Same for reading LSU’s QB situation negatively before anyone had started or thrown a ball. After a great start, they’ve come back to earth because other teams have improved faster.
You are dead on concerning the 10-2 record. It’s hilarious to watch the pundits and a few “fans” throw mud at Miles, yet no one can name any coaching action or philosophy he has that makes him a middlin’ coach. Take a look at allthe other coaches and their records before sorting out Miles and Richt for dart practice. They both will make the naysayers look silly and show no memory cells whatsoever.
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They were one of my dark horse candidates for the CFP before the season. Miles stockpiles talent on the Bayou like no one other than Saban, and Miles has zero competition typically in-state for the best high school players. I thought before the season that if Miles got good QB play, that team had the highest ceiling of a team not named Alabama. Alas, Brandon Harris still is awful. Cam Cameron has proven to be as bad an offensive coordinator as Schotty may turn out to be. NFL, anyone?
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I was too lazy that early on a Saturday morning to look it up :), but they were at best 3rd in the West.
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Fricking nuts! The guy has won a NC and appeared in 2 NC games in the last 10 years. WTF do they want? Let’s be honest and admit Dickhead Meyer is the only guy who can consistently compete with Saban and he ain’t stupid enough to come back to the SEC. Last time he left he was crying like a pussy.
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That about sums it up.
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The “quality of the loss” gripe is incredibly stupid. There is no good loss if you are reasonably expected to field a decent team every year, such as LSU or UGA.
Blowout = team wasn’t ready to play.
Decisive to good team = can’t take it to next level.
Loss to team with worse record = team didn’t show up.
Close loss to a good team = bad coaching decisions, such as squib kick, going for FG instead of TD, playcalling, etc.
Only a program like Vandy can have a “good loss.” UGA or LSU cannot.
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LOL. Great list. Add: Lose to a Rival by double digits = Face Plant
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We would be on our 18th coach since 2005 with that guy’s expectations.
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I was frustrated – extremely frustrated – after the Bama game and October. I have since adjusted my expectations, not in a snarky way but to realize thinking your football team is going to play great every game / every season is unrealistic. I think CMR is probably not going to do much more than he is doing right now, but it is good enough to make GA football enjoyable if you don’t invest your heart and soul in UGA winning big. And honestly, unless you played for GA, why would you let something like that ruin you?
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“if you don’t invest your heart and soul in UGA winning big.” But, Cos…can’t you do this, make this investment if you understand sometimes that ball, there, makes a funny hop?
Seems to me what you can do is try to learn enough not to be led astray by the feather merchants who make their living predicting the success ratios of teams they actually know nothing about.
I think we are all looking for somewhere to invest heart and soul and you may suffer them there slings and arrows as a football fan, but what do you suggest is a better thing to commit to? Politics? Religion?
Seems to me what you gotta do is mix carefully a dose of reality in your Kool Aid, learn to interpret coach speak and really pay attention to what the other team does?
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You forgot the friggin’ right hat.
Btw, cookies keep better in the ski hat, but taste better at lower altitude levels while skiing. A high at higher levels seems to make you appreciate nature more, celebrate the feeling of freedom on a downhill run by throwing your arms back and face-planting into trees. Smokers know that as well.
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I’d argue either politics or religion are more worthwhile things to invest time in than college football. My larger point was that one team is gonna win and one team is gonna lose. I still like reading the blog and watching the games, but…seriously…c’est la vie. Enjoy it as it comes.
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“…good enough to make GA football enjoyable if you don’t invest your heart and soul in UGA winning big.”
There’s a balance here, I think, admittedly one I’m still trying to find. I passionately want to win every single game. I hate the thought of losing, mediocrity, etc. I’ve invested more hours following UGA football in my life than I can count. But on the other hand, football can’t become this totalizing thing, capable of ruining days (not to mention, months) upon end, making me lose sleep at night, and putting me in a bad mood around those I love. Sometimes I wonder if all of our football-related angst doesn’t provide more commentary on us than it does the state of affairs with UGA football.
Anyway, Scorpio is right that we do need something reliable in life to depend on for our happiness. And I’ve learned that CFB, fickle as it is, makes a poor choice. Not all will agree, but the religion answer is the most satisfying I’ve found. It takes a perfectly good and perfectly changeless object of our trust not to disappoint it. Maybe my struggle with UGA football all along is that I’ve been asking it to be something it simply can’t be.
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+1 – great post, WF, agree with every word.
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kudos guys. enjoyed all the good banter in this short thread. …passion with perspective is the key.
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Since when is a .780 winning percentage sufficient to keep a job? It’s only the highest winning percentage for any coach at LSU (including Saban) in over a century. Coach X will be a can’t miss hire!
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lol. good point. no chance they can screw that hire up, huh?
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“Their take was that Saban makes things really difficult for everyone in the SEC because every fan base thinks they have what it takes to beat Bama. ”
Genius analysis….just genius.
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“Pardon my French, but this is fucking nuts.”
Blutarsky, dahlink, you thought there was sanity involved in fanthink? Evah?
😀
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One of the problems is all of our biggest rivals have one at least one Natty since we have. UF x 3, AU x 3, UT, Clemson and even GT. As a matter of fact, a team from a neighboring or the same state as UGA has one a MNC 21 times since our last time. Meanwhile, we’ve “arguably” fielded “consistently” better teams than any of our peers over the past 15 years with “nothing” to show for it in the past 10. I understand there are caveats to much of what I just listed, but in the world of getting the picture, this is like my desktop background.
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Won, not one.
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Maybe its the national championship thing that is roiling your desktop…does that have to be the ultimate measure of your team’s worth?
What happened to “filling the unforgiving moment with sixty seconds worth of distance run?”
National championships only become the yardstick if you buy in to what TV is trying to sell you.
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Correction: Colorado won, not tech. Never give the gnats credit for that one.
Also, narrow the list of Natty winners by deleting the cheaters (tOSU, Miami, USC, Auburn, etc.) and your point is valid, but far less meaningful. UGA’s severe deficiency is SEC Championships and especially not winning the East.
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C’mon Aus…Tech won the UPI national thingy there…but there’s a caveat.
At the time Tech won it, UPI was owned by a gentleman from Mexico (much to Donald’s chagrin).
So, Tech won the Mexican National Championship…the only year it was awarded. Considering the makeup of the student body at North Ave. that the national championship they won would be presented by a foreign company is somehow appropriate I reckon. 🙂
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The MEXUS natty? Kinda has a state champ ring to it.
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It is also interesting to note that “In 2000, UPI was purchased by News World Communications, an international news media company which was founded in 1976 by Unification Church leader Sun Myung Moon.”
The Rambling Wreck from Georgia Tech’s Moonie Chapter. 😀
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Yep, I checked my record book and the 1990 National Champ was Colorado. I didn’t see any others. Perhaps I had my red & black blinders on.
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I am trying to remember Auburn’s 3 national championships since 1980. I know 2010. When are,the other 2? I was in Jordan-Hare last week and the signage only claims 2, 1957 and 2010. I guess you are counting 2004? What would be the other one since 1980?
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Les Miles and CMR would both be hired in about 5 minutes by other schools. I hate to beat this dead horse but who in the hell are you going to replace either of these guys with that will that have the resume? NOBODY! Even Boom won big his first year at UF and now look at him. I get not being happy with where the program sits at this moment but nobody has a legit answer to the questions always popping up here. BM would just bring us Derrick Dooley part 2. I’ve got more faith in Richt than I do Butts-Mehre.
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Why would any UGA fan, especially on this blog, be surprised to see the crazies at LSU go after Les Miles? A certain amount of it goes with the territory, a passionate sport will attract some delusional, weirdos but the number at UGA and LSU seem to have the most hate stalkers. I recall hearing the hate for Miles back in the very beginning of his tenure, some were irrational about his coaching style and it had nothing to with his ability. We can relate to that.
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Hell, Saban was getting hate from 80-yr old women as he LEFT LSU.
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I, for one, would miss the Mad Hatter if he is not in SEC. These guys all all making so much money now the fans, admin don’t have patience and want to make a move. Time will tell if it is a mistake or not.
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At least this blog’s participants have become a little more rational for the first time in a month.
The only problem this UGA program has lies in B-M. And in the foot-dragging that’s gone on for an IPF. It continues.
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Nah…Frantic Fran the Bulldog Fan has got all that IPF stuff covered. (How did one of my childhood heroes turn into such a jerk?)
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Man, did you see what he did there with that belly series wheel route to Fred Brown against Tech?
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We haven’t lost in a while.
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Ballsy, you are correct. The real problem is B-M. I thought in the last off-season that problem was being corrected, at least in part. Now I’m not so sure. We’ll learn more about that in the coming off-season. If they run off Pruitt I say burn that entire building down and start all over again even if it hurts for awhile. No pain, no gain. But we are stuck in this John Cooper level mentality at B-M where winning seasons are good enough and there isn’t a real wish to do what is necessary to be a championship contender on a regular basis. BTW this has gone on for years and predates Mark Richt so I do not blame Mark Richt for that.
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Maybe they should fire this guy off the Supervisors.
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I don’t care what LSU does. Unless it’s with us in some capacity, I hope Les doesn’t land in the sec east.
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With all due respect senator, but the crowd at butts-mere STILL are doing the same things year in and year out. That’s what is fucking nuts.
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