Off to a good start

Seth Emerson looks at Georgia’s newly minted 2016 signing class… and doesn’t see much of a change from went on before.

There may have been some subtle changes to how Georgia did its first signing day under Smart. But the final result – for now, pending one more big target – was about the same as it usually was under Mark Richt.

“Today, for me – for you guys it may be about stars and rankings – to me about it’s about new Bulldogs new members of the family,” Smart said.

For those who do care: Georgia ended the day ranked seventh nationally and fourth in the SEC in the 247Sports Composite, which takes into account the ratings of the four major recruiting outlets. That will change if five-star athlete Demetris Robertson, who remains uncommitted, signs up later.

Either way, there are a couple contexts in which to look at Smart’s first class.

Compared to almost any other first-year coach, it was an unusually strong class. Last year Florida finished 22nd nationally in Jim McElwain’s first year. Nick Saban’s first class at Alabama was 10th.

The caveat: Georgia was already on the way to a strong class when Richt was fired. It was ranked third nationally on the day he was fired. Smart ended up holding on to most of it – 11 of the 20 signees committed under Richt – and on Wednesday he signed defensive back-receiver Mecole Hardman, a five-star who was leaning heavily to Georgia before Richt’s firing.

First of all, he’s right to give Richt some credit there.  The old staff did lay the groundwork for much of this class, which isn’t to say that Smart and company didn’t have to do a lot of work to preserve their efforts, and that’s something we should appreciate.

But I was sort of curious about his “the more things change” point, so I decided to take a look at the 247Sports Composite to see where this year’s bunch sits in comparison to where all of Richt’s classes finished.  Here’s what I found:

YEAR RANK SIZE AVG.
2016     7        20  91.48
2015     5        30  89.73
2014     8        21  90.97
2013    12        34  88.51
2012     8        19   91.23
2011     6        26   90.03
2010    11        28   83.54
2009    5        21    91.43
2008    7        25   89.84
2007    9        24   87.69
2006    3        26   90.57
2005    6        17   90.64
2004    7        21    88.54
2003    9        24   86.15
2002    9        30   86.48
2001   10        27   74.16

(First thought:  sure looks like there’s been some grade inflation over the years, doesn’t it?)

More than superficially, there’s some justification for Seth’s point.  But there are a couple of nits to pick with it, too.  There’s an interesting correlation between class size and average recruit rankings:  Richt’s larger classes tended to have the lowest averages, which would indicate a certain amount of slot filling going on.  Sometimes that paid off spectacularly, as it did with his first class, and sometimes, as in 2013, it blew up in his face.

But what I can’t help but notice more than anything here is that in his first shot, with less than two months on the job, Smart’s average ranking betters every one of Richt’s fifteen and his national ranking ties for sixth best out of those sixteen years of classes.  I don’t see how you can’t be at least a little impressed by the results there.

Yes, the trick now is following up – keeping them in school, making them SEC-caliber players and finishing the next recruiting cycle even more strongly.  But as beginnings go, I’ll take it.

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58 responses to “Off to a good start

  1. Jared S.

    “But what I can’t help but notice more than anything here is that in his first shot, with less than two months on the job, Smart’s average ranking betters every one of Richt’s fifteen and his national ranking ties for sixth best out of those sixteen years of classes. I don’t see how you can’t be at least a little impressed by the results there.”

    I’m with you. I’m impressed with this class, considering all the program has been through and I am have been very impressed overall with how Kirby has conducted himself and the coaching staff and 2016 class he’s assembled. On to the Spring game!!!

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    • Just Chuck (The Other One)

      Ditto. As the Senator observed, while this staff didn’t line up most of these recruits, it speaks well of their recruiting skills that they held on to so many of them. Spring Game? If Kirby gets his way, the Yogi Berra quote might apply, “Nobody goes there any more, it’s too crowded”.

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    • Nice touch giving Smart credit for a class that Richt built and then going so far as to say that Smart’s first class is better than any of Richt’s? This is really happening? Jesus help me. 😏

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      • dawgtired

        You must have missed the part where he gave credit to Richt’s staff for laying the foundation.
        …and if Smart and HIS staff had not scrambled to keep it all together after Richt left…this could have been a disaster…let’s just give credit where credit is due and no one get’s their feelings hurt.

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  2. SWGADAWG

    I think Smart did a good job for a first year coach. But really, all that matters is the comparative ranking. By that I mean how do we rank in the SEC. And again the OT he had to have (or anyone) doesn’t sign, but shuns us at the end.
    What gets irritating is hearing all the happy talk that we are now going to dominate. I sure do hope we do, but reality says it’s still gonna be tough. Until Bama has a dip in talent it’s tough to see us as the top Dog.. The one hope in my mind is that we do have an elite looking QB. That’s the one thing we do have going for us.
    But many fans need the hype of Smart and the bashing of the old regime to keep them warm at night. Gets kinda tiring….

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  3. I wonder where we would have ranked if both Price and Brown had signed. Oh, well. Moving on. We have a very good class with important pieces. Now is time for Coaching.

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  4. ASEF

    Very similar to 2009, 2012, and 2014 without the benefit of an established game plan. Easy to forget that 25 days ago he was coaching a national championship game.

    Also: 71 kids averaging 90.58 over the past 3 cycles. I know not all of them are still around, but it’s a lot of talent to build on.

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    • Go Dawgs!

      I really think what this recruiting class proves is that Kirby Smart’s decision to stay at Alabama did not have any negative impact on recruiting. There’s phone service and even internet access in Tuscaloosa. I think he was able to recruit just fine while serving two masters, and the proof appears to be in the pudding. I don’t think that the blue-chippers that we missed out on yesterday afternoon went elsewhere because they hadn’t heard enough from Georgia’s new coaches.

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  5. TN Dawg

    I’m confused (which is not unusual). It seems if you sign a bunch of 3 star recruits, you are just “filling the class” and yet Kirby states that stars n’ stuff don’t really matter.

    Did he believe there were just no players out there that could be developed, which is what his real focus is on?

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    • If you listened to his comments yesterday, he’s got slots open for two reasons: (1) to use next year, because Georgia’s senior class is on the smallish size; and (2) to leave some wiggle room in case an attractive transfer pops up this year.

      In the end, he’s made a judgment call that the four or five remaining slots could be better used for those ends than to grab a kid now for the sake of instant gratification. Is he right? Time will tell… unless you want to jump to conclusions already.

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    • 3rdandGrantham

      To answer your question, obviously this seems to be the case. But remember that they did offer that OL from RI just yesterday, so its not like they refused to take anyone (although, in his case, as a grad student he’d only be here 1 year I believe).

      As SB touched on, don’t forget that, barring quite a high attrition number, we really won’t have many schollys next year, as the upcoming senior class is only around 14 or so. A few have predicted that we might only be able to take around 21-23 next year, so I certainly can see why Smart is being judicious here overall.

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  6. 3rdandGrantham

    As mentioned yesterday, any UGA fan who gives Smart and co. anything lower than an A- grade is either unrealistic or delusional. Or, in the case of a select few here and elsewhere…they are still bitter about CMR’s dismissal and thus will outright refuse to publicly support Smart regardless of what he accomplishes.

    I personally couldn’t be happier with this class, and I’ll go ahead and predict that this will be the lowest ranked haul under Smart’s tenure for the foreseeable future.

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    • Dylan Dreyer's Booty

      “…this will be the lowest ranked haul under Smart’s tenure for the foreseeable future.”

      That would be spectacular. Gives me a little wood just thinking about the possibilities. I am already of the opinion that if Robertson will come on board the 2017 season is going to see some offensive records set. May happen without him, but I’d feel more optimistic if he was here.

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  7. 92 grad

    I find it easy to rest on this, while the shiny new staff didn’t do anything remarkably different than the previous staff, they didn’t do any harm to the program either, and that’s good for now being only 1 month into their tenure. The ship was already steaming in a direction for over a year and to significantly change a roster takes a lot more time than a month.

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  8. Russ

    Richt and company had a great class going, and Kirby and new company closed the deal (except for our giant tackle, which we always seem to lose). Lots of talent in the pool at UGA, so now let’s get it developed and pulling in the same direction.

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  9. Irwin R. Fletcher

    I think it’s an interesting class. It has 3 5-star guys and could have 4 before all is said and done. 3 is tops with Bama and Ole Miss…if they land Robertson, they would have signed more 5 star players than any other school this year.

    I think where you see the difference in philosphy is filling the class with ‘3 star’ talent. For example, last year Georgia was the only school in the top 10 who had more 3 stars in the class than 4 and 5 stars. Even in 2013, UGA signed 18 3 stars and 15 4 or 5 stars.

    If UGA signs Robertson, this class would have a 2:1 ratio of 4/5* guys to 3* guys. I’m pretty sure that would be a first for a class at UGA. That’s what teams like FSU, Bama, and Ohio State are doing. I think that’s where Kirby wants UGA to be. (thus saving the schollys for 2017…where a 5* and 2 4* guys are verbally committed).

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    • 3rdandGrantham

      Good thoughts, and I’ll add that most of our 3 star guys had quite an impressive list of offers out there, as opposed to other 3 star types that often field offers from Miss State, UCF, and VT type programs only. For me personally, this carries more weight than their actual star ranking. Tyler Simmons, for ex., is a great example of this, and some of opined that many of our 3 star commits were borderline 4 star types at the very least and/or certainly deserved a 4th star.

      Conversely, I noticed quite a few 4 star guys out there that really didn’t have all that impressive of an offer list. Not to continue to pick on SCU, but several of their 4 star commits had offer lists that weren’t exactly head turners. This too tells me quite a bit also.

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      • Sides

        So SC’s 4 star recruits are not as good as UGA’s 4 star recruits? There are only a few 4 stars in SC’s class and one was committed to UGA. Another was a QB from Pennsylvania that had offers all over the country. Every 4 star in the country has an impressive offer list. Most 3 stars have an impressive offer list.

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        • 3rdandGrantham

          Of SCU’s six 4 star commits, 4 weren’t even ranked in the top 300 nationally. This alone is huge, as the number of top 300 recruits you bring in yearly is a solid overall barometer in terms of your recruiting success. Thus, yesterday SCU only signed 2 recruits ranked in the top 300 nationally.

          Of those, 2 actually didn’t have an impressive offer list at all, with one receiving offers from Purdue and UCF type schools (with Arkansas being the only real headliner), with another in the same boat, with Tennessee being the outlier with him.

          BTW, all but two of UGA 4 star commits were ranked in the top 300, with quite a few ranked in the top 100 alone. SCU’s highest ranked recruit came in at 206, according to rivals. With all that in mind, yes, I am saying that not all 3 or 4 star athletes are the same. Where they rank nationally and looking at their overall offer list tells the real story.

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          • Sides

            I think you are just making up stats. I counted 4 top 300’s in ESPN(http://espn.go.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/playerrankings/_/view/rn300/sort/rank/class/2016) and 4 on 247 (http://southcarolina.247sports.com/Season/2016-Football/Commits). Of the other 2, one is a JUCO so I don’t think he is counted and the other is right above 300. If you want to bash SC that is fine just do it accurately.

            My original point was all 4 star recruits are in demand. They all have offer lists that exceed schools like UCF and Purdue. To say that a guy only had offers from UCF and Purdue to prove he isn’t that good but ignore the fact that he decided between SC and Arkansas is pretty disingenuous.

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            • 3rdandGrantham

              No I am not. As mentioned, I used Rivals.com for ranking/top 300/offers, and I stand by the stats I provided. But don’t just take my word for it and please do your own research.

              If you’re a 4 star guy with offers from UCF, Purdue, Arkansas, Cinci, etc., with a, say, 226 overall ranking, you’re not going to weigh as highly with me as, say, a 4 star guy ranked at, say, #81, with offers from Bama, Stanford, OSU, Michigan, ND, LSU, and 50+ other schools. Mind you, that does NOT mean I’m saying the former “isn’t that good;” just that, again, it highlights that not all 4 stars are equal. Far from it in fact. The same applied to 3 star recruits as well.

              Speaking of Arkansas, they aren’t exactly an elite program and don’t recruit highly, so its not disingenuous at all, thus I’m not sure who’s leg you’re trying to pull here. Matter of fact, they finished near the bottom of the SEC in team rankings at #32. Below SCU in fact with a firmly established coach. Beating them and UCF/Purdue/etc. out for a recruit shouldn’t exactly be cause for celebration in the talent rich SEC.

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  10. The 2016 Recruit Class is absolutely impressive.

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  11. TN Dawg

    Senator,

    Objectively, where do you think the “We are gonna lose some guys with Richt leaving” vs “We are gonna gain some guys that Kirby already had relationships with” scale wound up tilted?

    No judgement implied here, just asking for analysis. I file it under “it hurt us, but not that much”.

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    • Objectively, I think there’s another question you have to ask about the kids whom Georgia lost in the wake of Richt’s departure, and that is, how many of those did Smart want? It’s apparent to me that the new staff fought a lot harder for some of those kids than it did for others.

      As far as the trade off goes, it depends on the position group. The change definitely helped at receiver and hurt at running back. Everything else strikes me as a wash.

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      • Go Dawgs!

        I think one of the bigger recruiting losses on Kirby’s part was definitely missing out on keeping Thomas Brown in Athens. Coach Brown got a great promotion at Miami and he’s going to have a chance to do some great things and I’m excited to see his success… but I really think he could have helped reel in more running back talent and perhaps more talent overall if had he stayed at Georgia. I’ll miss having him on our team.

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        • W Cobb Dawg

          All the RBs on UGA’s roster in recent years were BMac recruits. And Holyfield didn’t bother following Brown to miami. So I don’t see why anyone would give Brown high marks for recruiting during his time at UGA.

          BMac was recruiting RBs at a level rarely seen before, and doing a fine job coaching RBs too. FWIW I’m still not convinced his move to WR coach was a wise decision. Just because he was a WR as a player doesn’t mean that’s also where his best coaching/recruiting skills lie.

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      • Russ

        The only other open question I have is how many will we lose between now and fall due to the new coach and process? We have seemed to average losing 1-3 a season due to a variety of reasons, and I don’t suspect we’ll see much different now, but that’s still a question I have.

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  12. Go Dawgs!

    I’m trying to remember who was in that 2006 signing class that was ranked #3. I know Matthew Stafford was in there. Who were some of the other guys in that class?

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    • Normaltown Mike

      knowshon and..wait for it…N’darris Ward!

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    • dawgtired

      The interesting thing about that class, I read in an article that I now can’t find, is that by 2009 very view of the players were actually contributing on the field. I would have to go back and look up the players and their history to verify if it was a legit comment.

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      • dawgtired

        …or maybe that’s was by 2010…?

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        • dawgtired

          Ok, it was the 2010 season. Of the 26 players from that class, 11 were still on the team (according to cbfstats).
          Dent, Harden, Durham, Chapas, C. Davis, J. Davis, Hebron, Anderson, Wood, Tripp and Gamble.
          At the time of the article, I don’t know how many of these were injured, in the dawg-house or just simply not contributing with playing time, and not on the field but I think the point of the commentator was that UGA was basically competing with a ‘lost class’. That type of lost has an major impact on a program…worse that any 3 recruit loss from an NCAA sanction.

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  13. Scorpio Jones, III

    Kirby came to the party late, finished well, helped by the “benign roster management” of the old regime, of course. Its nice that Kirby acknowledged disappointment about the number of suitable OL signees, since that may be the weakest part of the roster. But the results in that area did not change.

    It is completely unfair and unrealistic to take more than a passing glance at this years haul, the heavy lifting was pretty much done….with a couple of notable exceptions and possibly one more.

    Recruiting the kind of players at all positions we need/want is part of the process, and its the part of the process that requires consistent contact with the kids over a long period of time.

    It should be obvious its pretty hard to come in at the end of the process and swipe recruits from schools which have been working a kid since the ninth grade.

    We got some very good kids, on paper at least, this year, but its the next three or four classes that will make the difference.

    And I suspect no one knows this better than Kirby Smart.

    What I guess I am saying is that this year’s class is a good start to a long haul.

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  14. For the complaining about the offensive line, the state once again didn’t produce a bounty of blue-chip offensive linemen. According to 247, there were all of 2 blue-chip OLs (Cleveland and Price) in state. We are going to have to go national with our offensive line recruiting, so Pittman probably is going to be Diamond Medallion over the next few years to get the guys he wants. DLs are a completely different story. The state produces them yearly.

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    • I wonder how much the spread HS offense affects the development of O-Lineman. I get you can’t coach size but are there more “project” type O-Linemen coming out of HS now because the spread is so prevalent?

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  15. Sanford222view

    I did think to myself that yesterday did have an air of familiarity to it but wasn’t too concerned considering the coaching transition and it is only one year. What struck me is we missed out on the top two in state lineman from both sides of the ball. This seemed to happen under Richt as well.

    Now we had a great DL haul with Clark, Rochester, and Carter and the OL added Cleveland who was highly rated and sought after but I really felt like we needed to sign one of the two between Price and Brown. Brown was higher rated but a lesser need than Price because Price is an OT which we sorely need. At least Price is headed to the PAC12 rather than Auburn. That would have really sucked to have both those guys go to the Barn and have to face them every year.

    I do have to admit thinking we ended up with a Top 10 class again but it was fourth in the SEC and we missed on two stud lineman at the days end and per the norm we signed the high profile skill guys early in the day. Hopefully we can add Robertson in a few days and use the left over slots to get a big OL haul in the 2017 class.

    Overall, I was pleased with the class and the work the new staff did.

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  16. So wait, I’m confused. Any big wins next season should be attributed to Kirby winning with Richt’s players–including this years batch?

    Its impossible to separate the previous staffs efforts with the current staffs efforts this recruiting cycle. Black and white thinking will lead many to give credit wholly to one or the other, but I think we need to be ok with the ambiguity here and be thankful the class came out ok (as far as we can tell).

    Still would of liked to of seen a dominant OT here, but from what Kirby was saying, landing players like this is the hardest thing to do and takes years of setting a relationship foundation. Lets keep our fingers crossed he has better luck next year.

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  17. UGA85

    I wonder how many recruits would have stuck even if CMR were still at UGA. Don’t forget that we finished the season unranked. That is not the best way to attract blue chip talent, and some recruits would probably have flipped just wondering what happened to our offense, along with justifiable concerns about the future. CKS brings a breath of fresh air and the promise of change and (hopefully) championships.

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    • I wonder how many recruits would have stuck even if CMR were still at UGA.

      I’m sure you do, bless your heart.

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      • UGA85

        Thank you for your concern. But the point remains that our season was not impressive, especially offensively, and CMR would have had a big job to do in keeping a class together.

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        • Russ

          No, the point was we had at one time the #3 rated class in the middle of a mediocre season. But don’t let facts mess up a good meme.

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          • UGA85

            Facts? No class is signed until it is signed. Our projections about this are completely subjective and not based on facts. I feel we did well in recruiting, considering how last season went. And neither of us knows how we would have finished if UGA had not made a coaching change.

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  18. Bulldawg Bill

    But PAWWWWLLLL!!!!! He didn’t get enuff O Line!!! He finished like a fart at the end of the day! ARE YOU LISTENING?? PAWWWLLL!!! The sombitch cain’t recroot!!!!! He couldn’t recroot a ten dollar whore!!!!! Need to far his sorry ace!!

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  19. HVL Dawg

    This year is solid proof that young men want to play football for a competitive SEC program, and more specifically, in Athens, GA. Why else would a NFL prototype QB and tight end stick with any school after a complete coaching change? “Ah, I really wanted to play for Smart and Chaney. That’s my NFL ticket.”??

    It’s UGA. It’s the SEC. It’s facilities. It’s coaches. Buts most of all, it’s Athens, GA.

    Congratulations to Kirby for holding the class together and for adding to it. There’s no doubt Kirby is going to be successful getting players to UGA.

    Congratulations to the basketball Dawgs for embarrassing USCe Tuesday night. Next game Saturday in Athens vs. Bruce Pearl and Auburn.

    Go Dawgs.

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  20. old dog

    It was the best of times and it was the worst of times…the fast start had visions of Sugar Bowls dancing in my head…the afternoon news could have been a little better…Kirby’s O line anxiety is understandable and the RI transfer offer is proof of that…
    My take so far…Kirby and his staff are not going to be out worked getting good players…sometimes you swing and you just flat miss…as usual, the proof will be in the pudding about 3 or 4 years from now…keeping the faith meanwhile…

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  21. 69Dawg

    It’s the Offensive line damn it. There is a reason the State of Georgia has so few great ones. The HS coaches are running the spread, they need the great big men to stop it on defense. All a spread olineman has to be good at is cut blocking. GT gets away with small guys that can run and cut. Pittman was a national recruiter at Arkansas. As I recall most of the starting 5 were from up north. Give me the Ohio, Penn and Nebraska lineman and We’ll be opening holes as wide as 316. Imagine Chubby to the second level untouched.

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