Shot ($$).
Preparations for college football and other fall sports could begin on campuses even if universities are offering online-only courses and keeping the rest of the student population off campus, South Carolina athletics director Ray Tanner told The Athletic…
“If in fact the numbers dictated that we were safe, whatever date that may be whether it’s mid-July or late June, I would think we would be OK to bring back our soccer athletes and volleyball athletes and football players. It is a possibility. (University president Bob) Caslen and the board of trustees would have the final say, but I would think if the health situation, as it relates to COVID-19, is in a good position that would be an opportunity that we could exercise.”
Chaser.
Get The Picture 
What Ray Tanner is describing is exactly what we should turn our back on. If the students aren’t allowed back on campus, student-athletes shouldn’t be on campus. If student-athletes are playing sports in front of no fans, we should tell them emphatically we aren’t going to watch.
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When students return to campus, campus life should return also (all classes, social activity, team sports etc.) doesn’t get any easier than that…not before
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I will watch
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I’ll also watch.
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If universities are closed to students but players have to practice and play the NCAA will have forfeited forever the argument that the players are student athletes.
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So be it.
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The governor of SC thinks we (I live here) are unique and don’t need a stay at home order. Not surprised it has filtered down to athletics.
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So despite the steady “stay at home” drumbeat Gov Kemp has ordered Tybee beaches opened, thereby superseding the beaches closed decision made by the elected local Tybee officials. Of course, neighboring states beaches remain closed. Apparently Tybee Dept of Public Works employees are refusing to take down the “beaches closed” barriers at beach entry points. Things are getting interesting.
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Tybee Island should not only be closed, but condemned.
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Do tell.
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Simple. Just close the parking lots and tow any car that parks there. If you still want to go to the beach and pick you car up at the impound lot later, have at it.
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They should just keep enforcing their own order. Seriously. What’s the governor gonna do about it ? Send in the national guard to combat social distancing ? He’d lose his office in a flash.
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“If in fact the numbers dictated that we were safe,…”
Maybe I’m wrong, but until there’s a vaccine it seems to me the only “safe” number is zero. This virus spreads like the plague, for lack of a better term. One person, a player for instance, can infect the entire locker room, campus, town, etc. Of course, A.D.s seem to have a natural immunity, kinda like cockroaches.
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There is a flu vaccine that has been around a while but millions are still infected and tens of thousands die every year.
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You can’t mention that.
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I forgot. I’ll rejoin the lemmings now.
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You can mention it. But it would be nice if you also mention that this isn’t the flu, and that scientists currently think a single vaccine is likely to work against Covid-19:
“Scientists now are studying more than 1,000 different samples of the virus, Peter Thielen, a molecular geneticist at the Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory who has been studying the virus, told The Washington Post.
There are only about four to 10 genetic differences between the strains that have infected people in the United States and the original virus that spread in Wuhan, he said.
‘That’s a relatively small number of mutations for having passed through a large number of people,’ Thielen said. ‘At this point, the mutation rate of the virus would suggest that the vaccine developed for SARS-CoV-2 would be a single vaccine, rather than a new vaccine every year like the flu vaccine.'”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/the-coronavirus-isnt-mutating-quickly-suggesting-a-vaccine-would-offer-lasting-protection/2020/03/24/406522d6-6dfd-11ea-b148-e4ce3fbd85b5_story.html
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Why is the flu thing s tru lol being mentioned? One has been studied by modern medicine for decades and has a vaccine, treatments, and an educated public.
The other has no vaccine, no real treatment, an uneducated public, and we’ve had all of six months to figure it out.
And what we do know by now is that Covid is way more contagious and way deadlier and much more likely to put even survivors on a ventilator for a couple of weeks.
It’s like comparing soccer to football. Pointless.
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“s tru lol” = still
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Corona viruses have been around a long time. 15% of common colds are a corona strain. So corona is not new and virus mutations are not new (Swing flu, Spanish flu,etc). The new thing is shutting down all non essential activities in the entire USA for a virus.
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This strain of corona is very new. I mean, V2s were rocket bombs and Minutemen were rocket bombs. Basically the same thing, right?
Nurses and doctors are dying from trying to treat the infected. Show me where a common cold or swine flu did that.
I’ll wait.
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Since the beginning of time only 2 people escaped death. The rest of us are going to die or go like they did. Having the entire county live like bubble boy for extended periods of time is not feasible. There has to be a balance between risk and enjoying life. About 300 people a day die from vehicle wrecks but a vast majority of the people in the USA ride in a vehicle daily.
Nurses and Doctors are heros just like soilders, firemen and police that put themselves at more risk doing their job.
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More than 1300 people died of Covid-19 in the US yesterday, and that number is currently doubling every 4 days. Even with social distancing this thing is going to push our healthcare system to the breaking point in a lot of places. Without it, this epidemic would overwhelm our hospital capacity 20 or 30 times over. It’s kind of hard to enjoy life when people are dying all around you who potentially didn’t have to.
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7600 people a day died each day in the USA in 2019. Did most people say sit at home to stay safe last year? How was the quality of life in 2019?
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Contagious diseases are not car wrecks.
Yes, there has to be a balance. But making bad analogies in the name of pretending this is “just like car wrecks” or “just like the common cold” or just like…” isn’t moving us towards a balance.
The US averages about 1 car death per million vehicle miles traveled. In terms of population, we see about 11 deaths per 100,000 people. About 0.011 percent.
Covid-19 is somewhere between 0.65 and 3 percent. Somewhere between 60 and 270 times more deadly.
This thing is way more dangerous than driving or the flu. And until the powers that be get their heads out of their asses and start thinking long term – testing and tracking – they are not going to give anyone enough confidence to resume daily activities.
No matter what the orders are.
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Your “between 0.65 and 3 percent” is suhhhhspect.
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It’s difficult to create a test for a brand new virus strain, much less mass produce the test. You data is skewed for fatality rate for covid19. The number infected is not known. The death rate is lower than .65% because of those whose immune system defeated the virus with no symptoms.
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Very easy to make policy when you can just make up numbers out of your ass.
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“This strain is very new.” Absolutely and that’s why it’s called the NOVEL CORVID – 19.
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Talk is cheap. Go help someone who has Covid-19 and report your findings back to the rest of us in a couple weeks.
And be sure to show all those pussies real men don’t wear masks!
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How many get their flu shots?
What would the death toll if we didn’t have flu vaccine?
You conveniently leave that out of your equation.
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So we should keep the economy shut down indefinitely. When can I expect a paycheck from you to pay me?
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Cars are dangerous too. Time for everyone to stop acting like this virus is the end of the World. This self-induced destruction of the economy is ridiculous. Get busy living or get busy dying.
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You first.
Might I suggest volunteer work at a hospital?
Drive safely.
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I’d open up my business today if there were any damned tourists in town.
Seriously the economy is being crushed. Staying at home is a poor decision. Cure is worse than the disease.
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If the “stay at home” order were lifted today, I am not going to be a tourist anywhere. Nor anyone I know.
When will I? When we have a real testing system combined with a case tracking system – like they have in South Korea and Germany. When I can get masks for the high traffic areas. You know, protect my family.
Then I can make an informed decision.
Right now? We have no clue who has it or where there the hotspots are going to be in 3 weeks. And no access to the sort of equipment we would need to handle a lot of public spaces.
The lack of preparation and all the denial in Jan, Feb, and March is what’s killing your business.
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Save your breath because you probably will need it later. Cognitive dissonance has claimed another victim.
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What business where?
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The 1918 flu pandemic actually lasted from January 1918 until December 1920, 3 years. In that time an estimated 50 million people worldwide and 670,000+ US citizens died. Forty million of the deaths occurred in the first year. There was no flu vaccine at the time, as is the situation with Covid-19 now. There were also no ventilators or antibiotics, which we do have now, although ventilators would appear to be in short supply for the next 1-2 months. There were laws mandating that citizens wear medical masks in many locales, but compliance was far from universal.
Flu seasons are currently tracked from Sept-Aug, with peak months typically being Oct-May. The worst flu season in the last 40 years is generally considered to be 2017-18, with an estimated 80,000 deaths in the US. The peak was in Feb, 5 months into the peak of the season, with the highest weekly death total reaching just under 1600. It was mostly over by the end of March.
The first confirmed case of Covid-19 in the US was on 1/20. US deaths: WE 3/21- 213, WE 3/28- 1931, WE 4/4 (thru Fri 4/3) 4966. We are basically 2.5 months since the first case. The expected peak in NY is in 2-3 weeks and expected to be at least several weeks beyond that for the country as a whole. There may be a second wave as weather cools again in the fall, but no one knows for sure at this point. If there is any natural immunity for those previously infected, we have no idea how long that may last and it varies widely with corona-viruses.
This is the best comparative mortality information I can find between Covid-19 and the flu.
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Are you real or just a Russian troll wanting Americans to die?
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Thanks for reminding us of the real threat of muh Russians.
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Kemp is showing himself to be nothing if not the consummate politician… trying to please everybody and providing very little leadership. Both symptoms of being a moderate.
He obviously has much higher political aspirations. He’s toast.
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https://www.wtoc.com/2020/04/03/savannah-mayor-frustrated-amid-georgias-new-shelter-in-place-order/
Savannah’s mayor gets it. Atlanta’s mayor did not. Stay-at-home / social distancing orders were issued but not enforced even at the beltline or Piedmont Park. Local residents did not take it seriously. Both were crowded last weekend and very few were being smart about it.
Governor could have allowed municipal local law enforcement to support and enforce the recent minimum state order and their local orders but decided to only authorize state and county officials to do it.
We haven’t seen a county law enforcement person in North Fulton since Sandy Springs, Johns Creek, and Milton incorporated over a decade ago.
Governor could have simply stated the new measures were necessary because too many were not taking the guidelines seriously. Instead, he offered a flimsy excuse that “they didn’t know it could be transferred by non-symptomatic carriers”. No one bought it. This is not leadership.
We just have to control what we control and encourage our friends and family to do the same. Be smart and do what is right.
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“This is not leadership”
Exactly. But let’s not lose sight of the goal, which is to not overload the healthcare system. This Genie is out of the bottle and will run it’s course I’m afraid. We are only sl.owing the process
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Leadership is taking a stand when it may not be popular… and making everyone else feel somewhat confident in your decisions… at least where you are coming from. McMaster has done a pretty good job in South Carolina… refusing to buckle to all the noise.
Evidently Kemp is more concerned with his polling numbers.
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Wait, you’re actually applauding the SC governor for not shutting down the state? That’s what you’re calling brave leadership? If that’s the case, your handle is more accurate than I thought.
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Pretty much. He set guidelines early regarding limiting the size of gatherings. He tightened those and made recommendations to counties and municipalities and ended up closing all nonessential businesses. He did it based on the numbers and made no excuses… but has not made it a violation of law to leave your house.
Would love to hear your description of shutting down a state. And spare me the virtue signaling as I doubt you have ever agreed with any of my posts.
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The people that want a total lockdown do, however, favor workers heading out to the fields to pick their melons, manufacture their toilet paper, stock their Merlot at the market and cook their to go orders.
That’s where they draw their line of concern of public safety.
They could give a shit less if Juan at the peach orchard gets sick because his work is essential for them to sit on the couch.
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“They could give a shit less if Juan at the peach orchard gets sick because his work is essential for them to sit on the couch.”
You don’t know what you are talking about. Produce pickers are being monitored and policing themselves. Talking out of you ass is counter productive.
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The virus doesn’t care what you call the policy. The only thing that matters is how effectively you prevent transmission. If S. Carolina has implemented social distancing as effectively as states like Washington and California, which appear to have bent the curve, that’s great. I’m kind of skeptical that that is the case. And the worst thing you can do is a half-assed shutdown. You still take the economic hit, but if you don’t succeed in suppressing transmission to very low levels, it will be hard to end social distancing without winding up right back where you started.
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It’s clearly a tight rope. I’m not saying I know the answer. The thread was in regard to leadership at the state level… which I suggested has been good in South Carolina while lacking in Georgia… mainly because Kemp appears to be playing politics.
I still don’t know what a total state lock down looks like and I doubt any here do either. I don’t want New Yorkers flying into Charleston but I want to be able to go out to the beach and take a walk in addition to buying food and medicine. And I would like to be able to get in the car and go get my mail so I can pay my bills. Is that essential… not to mention take care of my father as well as check on my business interests.
Most folks appear to be doing what they can to follow instructions. Today at the Harris Teeter was the first day where most folks had masks on.
For those trying to make political gain in all this… shame on them… the country will remember.
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Forgot something. One other thing McMaster did is require the South Carolina Department of Environmental Control to release daily numbers for new cases by zip code. Some on the left cried fowl… including the Department of Environmental Control… just sayin.
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You can’t fix stupid
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I’m not sure how it helps the discussion but thinking about it now I think I had covid19 back in early December. Had a high fever. Went to dr he didn’t like my breathing and took a chest xray. I remember his exact words being “I don’t want to say you have a collapsed lung but…” he diagnosed me with pneumonia and I spent the next week sitting up in bed trying to breathe and thinking “ well this must be what pneumonia is like”. Im 51. This shit’s no joke. Knocked me on my ass
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I had just spent a week in Vegas I should add
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Me too but from what I can find it didn’t start in China until December.
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Nov 16 as far as we can tell
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Same here. Wife showed all the symptoms in late December and I did in January. We both had flu shots in the fall, but urgent care docs said this was “a different strain of the flu”. Fortunately, neither of us reached a level of severity to warrant a hospital visit. They loaded each of us up with meds and sent us home. Knocked us both out for a week. I used a CPAP machine and it helped. Thankfully, we live alone so the CPAP did not spread the bug to others.
I believe Georgians were particularly at risk due to the number of direct flights between Hartsfield and hot spots like Italy, Spain, China and other places in the orient. Later, it was one of a handful of airports used to repatriate citizens when the travel bans were announced. The volume of international crews and shipments from Savannah and other southeastern ports that come through Georgia is also a factor. Savannah is third behind NY/Newark and LA/Long Beach in the volume of international shipments to the continent. We need to be extra careful here.
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It’ll be nice when the serology tests are widely distributed.
Those that have had it can go back to work.
It makes little sense for low-risk individuals and individuals that have already developed immunity to be self-quarantined.
Developing herd immunity while high risk individuals self-quarantine makes far more sense.
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Justin Fields never set foot on campus last year and he damn near won the Heisman.
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Haven’t been laughing too much lately. This was a coffee-spitter. Thank you.
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Neither did Burrow and he DID win the Heisman.
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When someone you personally know dies from this shit, all this talk about football, beach reopenings, business closures, etc doesn’t mean a fucking thing. You just think those “football” people sound fucking stupid and have no clue as to the severity and swiftness of this thing.
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Maybe we should look at what’s working in other states?
https://news.yahoo.com/flattening-the-curve-on-coronavirus-what-california-and-washington-can-teach-the-world-130405639.html
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Well, all I can offer is that myself or my wife and two kids have never had a flu dating back over 20 years. Also, none of us have ever taken a flu vaccine because we do not want any part of that virus in our bodies. Our home is safe right now and I am seriously thinking about all of us getting tested for some kind of antibody or immune chemical that would help?
We live in SC, in Greenwood where there are less than a dozen cases. I work in hospitals all across the nation, so I have been places where the ER is a hazmat zone and the possible contamination situations are very direct. I recognize that I, and my family, could be carriers with no effects to ourselves. Still, I wish more people would just stay home. Our Lowe’s and wal marts have been absolutely packed every day. I go to buy a green pepper and it takes me an hour to get out of the place.
People need to cut out needless travel. I see folks talking on their phone driving around with no purpose just wandering. Drives me nuts. Moving without a purpose has become a normal condition and it makes me crazy. Have a target, complet the task, go home. Dont drive around talking into your phone on speaker in the got dam left lane.
End rant.
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I agree with most of your thoughts after the first paragraph, but the part of about the flu vaccine is bizarre. Do you realize that getting the flu vaccine helps with herd immunity and protects people who can’t safely get the vaccine or do you just not give a shit. I have never had the flu and only started getting the vaccine when I was ordered to in medical school. Now I am a little wiser and get the vaccine every year because it’s the right thing to do. A lot of people think they know more about medicine than doctors. ( they don’t). Do the right thing and get the flu vaccine
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No, please, I have no intentions of malice. Ive never learned how people need to get the vaccine to help inoculate the masses? Are you saying that I could be a carrier for the run of the mill flu virus and if I take the vaccine that eliminates said possibility?
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I’m not trying to be a jerk either, but people who refuse to get vaccines are a pet peeve of mine. Google “herd immunity “, it’s really pretty simple. Once immunity in a population reaches a certain level through either recovering from a disease or vaccination, it becomes very difficult for the infectious agent to be transmitted efficiently. At the Medical College of Georgia, employees who refuse the flu vaccine are terminated. There are multiple reasons for this but herd immunity is one of them. Stay safe.
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For all you folks saying this is just the flu, it is most certainly not.
I am an ICU nurse and a frequent reader of this blog. This disease is a brutal enemy. It is true that many people get it and are just fine with minor symptoms. But the strength of this disease is how infectious it is. It casts a wide net and when it hits you hard it hits like Greg Blue used to. Serious cases led to some of the worst ARDS (Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome) I’ve ever seen. I’m talking 14 days on max ventilator settings, prone therapy, and paralyzed to improve vent compliance. Seeing a few patients like this is common in the ICU. But seeing a whole unit of them is horrific. We are running out of ventilators. Nurses are getting sick and becoming patients. We don’t have the PPE for this shit because the whole system is getting hit at once and our supply chains are global and brittle in the face of this thing.
So grow up and stay the hell home. We can play sports later. You’re witnessing and participating in history.
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This thing, all the way back to November, has given tins of ammo for tin foil hat wearers. In January, I was seriously questioning what was going on and through February the reporting and data wasnt lining up. I think that in part has led to some of the “not that bad” insanity.
And areas not hit yet, it’s just hard to get people to believe and listen. Coupled with non sensical government rules and enforcement (at times and in some places and some ways). The grocery stores have become entertainment places. 92 Grad is right, do your business, stay to yourself, go home.
I’m thankful you shared this although so horrible: the stories of ICUs have scared me straight. I do not want to die on a ventilator alone with no way to even make. arrangements. People need a dose of fear. But I also know I cant pay my credit card for the first time in my life and we got to figure a way out of this soon. Its tough
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Well I would Never agree to anything close to Williams Brice and that entire enviorment that evidently is a converted cattle yard while holding chickens of dubious endeavors. While if everyone just take time to read and not jump in with both feet stomping grapes.
If you care to look at the S.C. governor mandate its states no parking facilities will be open at beaches, no chairs, umbrellas etc. So it’s not like New Jerky folks are gonna be piling in to Myrtle, Charleston and Savannah. It’s more of a common sense thing that we seemed to have educated ourselves above. As I understand it the motels are shut down as well as businesses.
I live in the woods So I am still quarantined as I walk through these. Yes there’s snakes, a few bears, coyotes, raccoons and squirrels. I think the governor is asking to just use common sense. If you live at or near the beach it’s ok to go walk with your family, ride your bike. The DNR will patrol areas as well as local law enforcement.
Now I for one will lend my feelings to both USCjr and Florida #FTMF
It’s just common sense. Maintain 6’ of social distancing except that Hell paved over County Fair parking lot where those Cock-A-Bosses reside. In that case I suggest at least a 60 mile radius even after this subsides. You can never be to careful.
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I’m kinda pissed locals cant be on the beach here alone or in 2s for exercise and sun. You cant even be on a private beach by yourself without an owner’s deed on hand with your name. The Walmarts meanwhile are nad houses
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The governor’s orders to close beaches, bars and restaurants already keeps many people at home. There’s no official stay at home order, but the effect of his existing orders is enough to get the job done without sacrificing people’s liberty.
I’m in Charleston, for what it’s worth. There are a few municipal stay at home orders in the area. They accomplish very little beyond what the governor has already done. At some point we hit the law of diminishing returns.
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