Numbers, numbers, numbers

Just curious… which of these matters most to you?

Ourlads’ Guide to the NFL Draft is the only source that gives the number for the quarterback’s velocity at the NFL Combine. Velocity is measured by a radar gun in miles per hour.

Year: 2020

Jacob Eason Washington 59 (Left) 59 (Right)
Jake Luton Oregon State 59 (Left) 56 (Right)
Steven Montez Colorado 58 (Left) 59 (Right)
Kevin Davidson Princeton 57 (Left) 56 (Right)
Justin Herbert Oregon 55 (Left) 54 (Right)
James Morgan Florida International 54 (Left) 54 (Right)
Jordan Love Utah State 54 (Left) 53 (Right)
Jalen Hurts Oklahoma 54 (Left) 51 (Right)
Jake Fromm Georgia 53 (Left) 53 (Right)
Nate Stanley Iowa 52 (Left) 54 (Right)
Anthony Gordon Washington State 52 (Left) 51 (Right)
Brian Lewerke Michigan State 51 (Left) 49 (Right)
Cole McDonald Hawaii 51 (Left) 47 (Right)
Shea Patterson Michigan 50 (Left) 51 (Right)
Kelly Bryant Missouri 47 (Left) 45 (Right)
Joe Burrow – did not throw
Tua Tagovailoa – did not throw

And before you jump on the second…

Bet that Quincy Carter score comes as a little surprise to some of you.

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37 responses to “Numbers, numbers, numbers

  1. Greg

    Between the two, it is what is between the ears imo.

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    • Greg

      On Quincey, he had some erratic play at UGA Cowboys too). I believe he hit 15 or so in a row (completions) against LSU that one year. A record at the time. Lost to UT the next week.

      Can’t remember if it was the same year or not, but went on to throw 5 INT against SC. I blame Donnan more on that…leaving him in the game.

      Just guessing here, but I believe his well documented drug issue has a lot to do with his career….the way it turned out.

      A helluva talent, sad to see…

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  2. Malcolm X

    Tua gets a 13? Maybe Wonderlic has no relevance to football IQ and ability.
    Doesn’t say anything good about academic education of “Scholar Athletes “ at Alabama. What a disgusting reality about the college con.

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  3. Jake is who we knew he was. Very cerebral in his knowledge of the game. Certainly not an every down running threat. An adequate arm.

    I would have loved to have seen him in Monken’s offense. If he were back, I wouldn’t have been concerned in the least about the ability to get the offense installed.

    Good luck to him.

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  4. DaveinAZ

    Need a number for QB’s run threat. I still would put Burrow and Fromm above Tua in the draft, but not Eason.

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  5. sniffer

    So, a right handed passer steps into a throw to the left and not so much when throwing to the right. That might Hurt, Jalen, more than the Wonderlick score…

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  6. Mayor

    The score that comes as a complete surprise to me is David Greene’s Wonderlic score. Also, I comes as NO surprise to me that Jake Fromm had the highest Wonderlic score or that Jacob Eason had the most velocity. That poses the existential question which IMHO defines the quality of NFL executives: Would you rather have a QB with a better arm or a better brain?

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    • Mayor

      P.S. I’d really like to see velocity numbers on Joe Burrow. I’m betting his aren’t any better than Fromm’s. Why would the NFL give him or Tua a pass on that?

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    • Russ

      The kid from Iowa had the highest score at 40 but isn’t on the list.

      I’m surprised at Quincy, Greene and DJ all. Not sure how well the Wonderlic relates to football success. I guess it must or the NFL wouldn’t keep using it.

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  7. Reverend Whitewall

    I can’t remember the exact numbers, but I read an article one time that had crunched all the numbers and looked at subsequent success for QB’s, and it was only predictive up to a certain number. I wish I could remember what it was, but I think it was 20 or in the low 20’s.

    In other words, a prospect with a score of 20 or so is more likely to be successful than a guy with a score of 10. But a guy with a score of 30 was no more or less likely to be successful than a guy who scored a 20.

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    • Mayor

      No Rev. That was the prediction for hiring for the General Manager of the team. The stupider the guy was the more likely he was to get hired.

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  8. spur21

    I think Jake will be a steal if the right team grabs him regardless of which round.

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  9. willypmd

    Would have loved to see Jake in Monken’s offense as well!

    Re. Quincey: cocaine is a hell of a drug!

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  10. practicaldawg

    Jack and Quincy have a SC meltdown game in common. Both games are 2 of the most bizarre UGA performances I’ve witnessed in my lifetime.

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  11. Anonymous

    Why would anyone be surprised about Quincy Carter’s Wonderlic score? I thought everyone knew that he was smart. Mental health issues coupled with problems with cocaine will do a number on a QB.

    I will remind everyone of the 26-27-60 rule. The predictor of NFL success is 26+ on the Wonderlic, 27+ career starts, and 60+% completion rate.
    https://www.si.com/more-sports/2010/07/08/qb-rule

    A lot of coaches also think that a hand space of 9.5″+ is important as well.
    https://howtheyplay.com/team-sports/Quarterbacks-With-the-Most-Impressive-Hand-Sizes-in-NFL-History

    According those measures, Jordan Love is predicted to be the QB mostly likely to succeed in the NFL. 27 Wonderlic, 38 starts, 61.2% completion rate, and 10.5″ hands. Burrow and Fromm both fail the hand size metric at 9.0 and 8.825 respectively.

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    • gastr1

      Interesting. When the news about Burrow’s hands being “small” for a QB (his hands are about the same as mine and I’m 6’4″), he received a little support from another “small-hands” guy…Mahomes.

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      • Anonymous

        What I’ll now call the 26/27/60/9.5 rule isn’t supposed to be a hard rule; it is just a gauge for predicting. There are a number of good QBs that miss one or more of the metrics (except for the 60% mark). Mahomes hands were measured at 9.25 at the combine. That is close. My more general point is that those numbers may be a good indicator of if a player is worthy of a high draft pick. I’m going to make a spread with the values for NFL starters for last season to see how it correlates. I’ll post the results later.

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      • Anonymous

        It is going to take too much time to calculate the number of collegiate starts and completion percentages, but I did compile the Wonderlics and hand sizes for the 32 QBs listed on ESPN. After reviewing the data, I’m going to change it to the 26/27/60/9.25 rule. The average for a starter is a 30 on the wonderlic (which correlates to a 120 IQ) and 9.61″ hands. The only QB to miss both marks was Derek Carr (20 and 9.125″). There were two starters with 9.00″ hands (Ryan Tannehill and Jared Goff). None were less than 9. Lamar Jackson is the only QB with below average intelligence (He may have a lower score due to a reading disability though. The test is 50 questions in 12 minutes. Some dyslexia could really mess that up).

        For anyone interested, here is the raw data:
        https://bpaste.net/ZKUQ

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  12. Union Jack

    Not surprised with Jake’s Wonderlic score, it will be used as a positive by the team that selects him and it won’t matter to the teams that don’t. For a bit of fun guess the Wonderlic score of this QB based on his NFL stats:

    Player H:
    15 total NFL seasons
    139 Games Started
    2,886 comp/4,787 att (60.3%)
    32,886 yds (6.9 YPA)
    210 TD/161 INT
    81.6 Rating

    Player I:
    13 total NFL seasons
    131 Games Started
    2,298 comp/3967 att (57.9%)
    27,602 (6.9 YPA)
    154 TD/113 INT
    80.4 Rating

    FWIW – Player H is Ryan Fitzpatrick and he has the highest Wonderlic score all-time for any QB. He made a 48. He was drafted 250th (out of 255) by the Rams.

    Player I is Jeff George and he scored a 10 on the Wonderlic. Only 5 other QB’s have score lower. He was the #1 overall pick in 1990.

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  13. Union Jack

    Here is the huge list of Wonderlic scores database. Not certain how accurate it is but it’s kind of fun to look at.

    https://iqtestprep.com/nfl-wonderlic-scores/

    Terry Bradshaw is listed twice scoring a 15 and a 16. Not sure why but he is 4-0 in the Super Bowl. Jim Kelly is also listed as scoring a 15. He is 0-4 in the Super Bowl.

    Big Ben Roethlisberger made a 25 which appears to be the next lowest score for a multiple SB winner. I couldn’t find Montana, Griese, Staubach etc on the list.

    Dan Marino is one of the best QB’s of all time and they made a whole documentary about him falling in the draft. He made a 16. Heath Shuler made 16 too. He went 3rd in the draft and was a terrible QB in the NFL.

    John Elway and Troy Aikmann both made 29. Matt Ryan and Johnny Football both made 32. Aaron Rodgers a 35.

    Steve Young made a 33 and so did the GOAT, Tom Brady.

    The highest scoring multiple SB winning QB? Would you believe Eli Manning? He made a 39. Outpacing Peyton & Drew Brees who each made 28.

    https://iqtestprep.com/nfl-wonderlic-scores/

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  14. Texas Dawg

    Every year you hear about some guy who did absolutely NOTHING in college but who checks off all the “measurable” boxes in spades. Some team takes a HUGE flyer on him based on “potential” (wasting a draft pick). It almost always it blows up in their face. If you have done nothing for 3-4 yearsn the field that had the scouts excited about you then why would that sway a team now? I can understand taking a chance on guy who was on a crappy team but performed well on the field under the circumstance. I can understand taking a chance on a guy who lit it up against inferior competition. I can not understand taking a guy on potential alone who had done nothing up to that point. Save your draft picks for guys who have proved something. The “potential” guys will be available to sign as undrafted free agents that will cost you little or nothing.

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  15. Bwaredogs

    QC was accepted to Tech. Just sayin’.

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  16. Mayor

    Let me get this straight—some NFL team is going to use a first round draft pick to choose Tua when he had a fracture dislocation of the acetabulum (hip socket) which is a devestating injury (that’s the injury that caused Bo Jackson to have to retire from football) and also made a 13 on the Wonderlic.

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  17. DawgPhan

    Anyone else see this on Twitter.com?

    Fromm under pressure and outside the pocket was below average. Accuracy on play action was also below average.

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