The most important ingredient in winning a national title isn’t running the football.
The most important ingredient in winning a national title isn’t stopping the run.
The most important ingredient in winning a national title is having no sense of institutional shame.
A Florida State investigative hearing into whether an alleged sexual assault involving quarterback Jameis Winston violated the student conduct code has been delayed to Dec. 1, a person involved in the process told USA TODAY Sports on Wednesday.
The person requested anonymity because specifics of the hearing are to remain confidential.
Whether Winston is found responsible or not for any student conduct code violations, the delay means that decision might not be made until the Seminoles are in the College Football Playoff. FSU’s conduct code says a decision letter will be sent to the student within 10 class days from the conclusion of the hearing but allows for more time “if additional consideration of evidence and deliberation is required.”
The last day for fall semester final exams is Dec. 12 and spring semester classes begin on Jan. 7.
If the hearing concludes on Dec. 5 or later, any decision might not be rendered until after the national championship game. A period of 10 class days from that date would mean a decision would not be due until Jan. 13, one day after the championship game.
But when does FSU’s baseball season start?
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I’ve never seen anything like this brand of institutional psychology. The normal response is that winning isn’t winning if it’s this tainted, but this seems to be completely lost to anyone associated with FSU, whether it be individually or collectively.
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They bring further shame to cfb.
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I almost feel sleazy reading about this. “Have you no sense of decency, sir?”
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Is it considered lack of institutional control if the institution is complicit in it?
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+1 This is complete institutional control.
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Never taken a long, hard look at Auburn, have you?
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One half inning on the pine coming up! That will really show him who is boss…
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If FSU was TRYING to be as sleazy as possible what would FSU do differently?
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That is actually a good question? Maybe suspend the female that made the accusations? Have actual Jameis family members rule on his hearing? I am sure they could do it if they tried really hard, but it would be tough.
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You should read up on the Texas Tech female basketball player that had her face broken by a football player and she was suspended for 1 month from playing basketball.
I believe the grand jury actually decided to not punish the football player, said that he should not have been kicked out of school, and suggested the the women he struck should have been kicked out of school.
For a country where everyone would tell you that there is no excuse to hit a woman, we sure do keep coming up with ways to excuse it.
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I wish UGA could play FSU and of course beat the hell out of them.
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Georgia Dome. 2016. Rumors…
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Auburn first.
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Thank you.
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FSU has surpassed the Barn in the ability to look horrific ethically.
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And that’s kind of amazing, really.
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And that, brother, ain’t a small feat…
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Yes…Auburn is the stadard for phoney scruples. FSU has surpassed the standard..but give Auburn time…they may come up with something.
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Oh, we’re taking notes my friend. Taking LOTS of notes. Well, we would if we could read and write good, but Leroy’s got this here photo making machine, so we do fine.
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And they played each other in last year’s NC game. Coincidence? I think no.
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It was the All-In Bowl.
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Nah, I think FSU folks know their program is tainted meat. Auburn folks, though, act like they’re oblivious or Second Chance U.
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Not so sure. I have otherwise sane, decent friends that are totally oblivious when it comes to Jameis Winston. I guess you really can rationalize anything.
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Meanwhile, Greg Mac just suspended someone for wiping a booger on the glass at Buttsmear.
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This puts FSU faculty, students and a retired judge right in there with the rest of the Athletic Dept. It’s sickening to see this carried out in a public venue and for it to show that FS (as it shall be known to me from now on) is first only to FU in the shit Dept.
Student conduct code hearings ain’t what they used to be when you acquiesce to an outside lawyer’s request to delay taking your honor back until the perp can lay more dishonor on your “institute of higher learning” that has a collective IQ and cojones of a palm tree. They are a sad lot. What have they fostered?
What could possible warrant a delay in this case? Certainly not evidence gathering or witness availability or interfering with study habits of the perp who you ostensibly called the meeting to kick out.
Looks like the Koch Bros invested in a cfb team, not a chair in political science.
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woo woo Cojo…nice Koch brothers poke, dude.
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Their investment in conservatism to influence the incoming minds in political science sickens me. It would also be unsettling if a liberal did that as well. Colleges are about open minds capable of discerning paths in life that suit their moral compass. The Koch Bros want to freeze the rudder and disengage the compass of future generations as we enter the age of the unenlightened.
So it goes with their HC and football program.
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Liberalism has been the dominate force in academia for a long time so I’m not going to lose sleep over this.
Not trying to start an argument, just wanted to make a point about the state of colleges today. It is what it is.
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Why you crusty ole drunkard, you! What would Ma Snopes have to say on that score?
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Looks like George Soros and Tom Steyr from my perspective…
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Why isn’t anyone promoting this approach for Butts-Mehre?? Don’t y’all wanna win?!?! As many times as I’ve seen commenters complain about us supposedly sacrificing wins in the name doing the right thing, it seems that this would be the perfect opportunity to tell us how we’re missing this obvious key to success. Where are all the ends justify the means folks? I know you are out there.
As I’ve said before, if winning trophies means acting like FSU, Auburn or Alabama, they can have them. I’d rather go 0-12.
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Yep, FSU and Auburn are the only alternatives to the Georgia Way. From one extreme to the other. There is nothing in between.
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Yes there is actually nothing in between. You either do the right thing or the wrong thing. You cannot be a little crooked. You are either guilty or not.
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So the “right thing” is having marijuana policies that are more strict than 98% of college football? If so, are we really “right” if there are a few schools that are more strict than we are? Are they more “right” than we are? Hell, is the “right thing” even testing for marijuana to begin with when more and more states are legalizing it?
What about checking or testing for underage alcohol use? Why don’t we do that? Wouldn’t that be the “right thing” to do?
Yep, everything is black and white. Great call. Only a fool deals in absolutes.
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Yes only a fool abides by the law. We should ignore all laws we disagree with. I mean I guess we need it decide what laws “we” disagree with. Maybe we should be ok with under age drinking, or pot, or heroin, or robbery, or rape, or murder? I mean what bother trying to change the laws lets just disagree with them and violate them. All we have to claim is other people do it and get away with it. God I love justification.
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Your attitude was sorely missed during the civil rights movement. All blacks to the back of the bus, ’cause, y’know, rules are rules.
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Oh yes. Civil rights compares to college football. We should go all Ferguson on the NCAA head quarters in Indy. I will tell you where the closest QT is to burn down. I am hoping you were trying to make a joke. If not please do not take my response as an indication you should become violent or burn down any gas stations. I take no responsibility for your future actions.
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Unjust laws are broken openly. Punishment is accepted and expected. It’s kind of the point to civil disobedience. Gandhi would have had a hard time ridding the subcontinent of the Brits had he not found ways of getting arrested and imprisoned. A voluntary organization of athletic associations does not lend itself neatly to such tactics. Your choices are: follow the rules, try to change the rules, leave the organization or be a scumbag and do whatever the hell you think you can get away with.
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You and Reipar conveniently ignored what I wrote in order to continue defending the Georgia Way. Address these questions:
So the “right thing” is having marijuana policies that are more strict than 98% of college football? If so, are we really “right” if there are a few schools that are more strict than we are? Are they more “right” than we are? Hell, is the “right thing” even testing for marijuana to begin with when more and more states are legalizing it?
What about checking or testing for underage alcohol use? Why don’t we do that? Wouldn’t that be the “right thing” to do?
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Coach says he doesn’t want his guys doing drugs of any type. That it isn’t good for them or their futures. I can’t argue that. I have no problem with him looking out for his players and trying to do what he thinks is best for them. I’d rather have that than him not caring what they do because it serves his own interest in winning. So you can argue that lax weed regs don’t hurt these guys chances of success off the field or you can say you don’t give a shit whether it does. Whether enforcement distinctions based on the substance makes sense or not from a health stand point is questionable. I personally don’t see any great moral distinction between the two. However, you do have to admit society views weed and beer differently and as such setting policy so that marijuana arrests are hopefully less frequent makes sense for the players immediate and long term futures.
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What about the schools that are more strict than we are?
The point is that there is all sorts of gray area in this stuff. It’s not “black and white” and “right and wrong”, as much as the Georgia Way soldiers want everyone to believe that it is.
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By the way, the drug testing policies aren’t up to the coaches at all. They are athletic department mandates. Richt has no control over them.
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Legalized gandja has nothing to do with players willingly living under and by the rules to play college football. You break them or you don’t.
FS will rue the day they started this turd rolling downhill. Teaching young guys it’s OK to flaunt the rules you play under also gets you the disrespect for maintaining team discipline. Agents and parents could get the kids together and demand a coaches job because he doesn’t play their guy or tries to discipline by sit’enem down.
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I think we need to insist that the administrators, starting with McGarity and going down the ladder, get an IRS audit every year. Want to make sure they are following the law.
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Great idea. Also, I hope they’re being drug tested as often as the “student” athletes they lord over. Rules are rules. Only a fool doesn’t abide by the law. We shouldn’t ignore any laws.
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It’s the rules the players abide with, not the laws that affect others who don’t play in the arena. Using cfb players to go after a nonsense law ain’t a good thing.
Drug testing players after a game is different than testing for residuals that are present days after consumption. Drug enhancement of play is different from never being in the presence of smoke. Or cookies.
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“Why, we are an institution of high integrity. Remember when we kicked Randy Moss off our squad years back…” (in your best Southern gentleman voice)
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Is anyone surprised by this? Not me.
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I am in total agreement with the comments about the way they handled the theft, public demonstration on campus, and the autographs, but I do not understand the animosity over the accusation of rape. The facts, as known publicly, simply do not support any crime of rape. The prosecutors were exactly right in not pursuing charges in what looks to be either a case of “buyer’s remorse”, or a young woman who was pushed to pursue charges by others. From what I have seen, and that is what was made public, you would have to find another group of 12 as dumb as the OJ jury to get even a hung jury. Not a chance he would be convicted, and frankly, it would be wrong to even bring charges.
You can scream all you want about the way the investigation was pursued, why it was done until late after the incident, and you are probably right, sloppy is fair. The accuser was partially responsible for that delay and the confusion. But when they did investigate it, there was simply nothing to change the “he said/she said” conclusion and the facts surrounding the time, both before and after don’t favor her side at all. FSU deserves the bad rap for lack of discipline on their team, and that has been there since Bobby’s last 10 years, but confine it to the situations that the facts reveal actually occurred. I am guilty of leaping a little on the autographs without hard evidence too, but as with Johnny Cash and A&M, the circumstantial evidence is so overwhelming that I feel they should have been suspended. But above all I see are comments about the one thing they seemed to get right. Can’t agree with any of that, but the FSU institution, and those associated with it are getting scorched for the wrong action. If I were an alum of FSU I would be furious about the other issues and demanding improved standards from the entire athletic department, especially the HC.
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Too right. The “sexual assault” is the least of his transgressions. It’s just the juiciest.
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Then why does his lawyer keep publishing her name if it is nothing? He has been accused twice. The investigation was not done right.
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Winston must be “betting” on this taking longer
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Timing and women not pressing charges.
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That’s twice now.
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Looks like Tallahassee should hire Jimmy Williamson. For an F.S.U. Football Player, a Hit and Run Becomes Traffic Tickets – NYTimes.com (via http://ble.ac/teamstream-) http://teamstre.am/116QP55
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