Roster management and the new redshirt rule

I am so stealing this Allen Kenney subject for this post.

Under the new rule, players can play in up to four games in a season without sacrificing a year of eligibility. Previously, a player could not participate in any games in a given season to qualify for a redshirt. Riley will join every other FBS-level coach in testing out the redshirt rule in 2018.

“It completely changes [how coaches manage players’ redshirt years]. I don’t know if people on the outside or even maybe us on the inside understand how different that rule is,” Riley said during Big 12 media days.

A few members of OU’s heralded 2018 signing class will play so much this year that they have no chance of qualifying for a redshirt. Defensive back Brendan Radley-Hiles and defensive lineman Ronnie Perkins seem like two of the surest bets. Meanwhile, a knee injury has already knocked out blue-chip defensive tackle Michael Thompson for the season.

In theory, every other rookie on the roster could find himself in play for a redshirt this fall. Here are the five freshmen on OU’s roster most likely to be affected by the rule this season.

The roster flexibility this opens up is enormous — for the true freshman who blossoms over the course of the season, for coaches who need to plug a spot hammered by injuries, for player development without expending class separation, etc.  If there’s one thing Kirby’s good at, it’s roster management.  It’ll be fascinating to see how this plays out in 2018.

Here’s the list of Georgia’s 2018 signing class.  My five who are likely to be affected by the new rule:

  • Zamir White.  The new rule could not be more perfectly written for a kid like White coming back from a serious injury.  There’s plenty of depth at the running back position, so the pressure to hit the field isn’t as intense as it might be elsewhere.  Should White’s rehab play out as well as early reports indicate, he’s someone who could roll out late in the year and still preserve his four years.  (And before you say he’s an obvious three-and-done candidate, Nick Chubb would like a word with  you.)
  • Jamaree Salyer.  He’s a stud who didn’t enroll early.  Again, offensive line is a place where competition is a bigger consideration than necessity and it’s easy to see Salyer being a late season adjustment, like Cleveland was last year.
  • Divaad Wilson.  The coaches really loved this kid in the spring, until he was unfortunately sidelined with an ACL injury.  If he can recover sufficiently by November, I can see him getting some time.
  • John FitzPatrick or Channing Tindall Luke Ford.  Georgia is pretty stocked at tight end.  One of these two probably won’t see any time at all this season, but depending on where the coaches see a skill set need, I can see one of them getting in a few games.
  • Cade Mays.  Can he push one of the season starters off by year’s end?

Justin Fields is the hard call, obviously.  On one level, he seems like a perfect case for the new rule, someone who can get a respectable amount of real game experience and still preserve class separation with Fromm.  The question is whether he’s too good, or too necessary, to restrict to four games.  I suspect that’s the case, but we’ll see.

As a general thought, one area that could clearly benefit from this is special teams, where you could move talented true freshman in and out over the year as you evaluate talent, develop skills and reward effort.

Who are your five?

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41 responses to “Roster management and the new redshirt rule

  1. bulldogbry

    Did you mean Luke Ford in your 4th bullet? I would hope Tindall will see some time at LB

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  2. Biggus Rickus

    There seems to be a decent chance White will be cleared by the time the season starts. If that’s the case, I can’t see them redshirting him.

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    • Otto

      Agreed Zamir is only getting a red shirt if the injury takes longer than expected which does not seem likely from what we’re hearing.

      Further I see him being gone after 3 years if he is any where near what we expect him to be.

      Redshirting I see being most beneficial with QBs and OL.

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  3. Dawg1

    I think it expands allowable schollies to 95 or 100 eventually, as more will end up on true 5 year plans and without needing to transfer etc. Title 9 will probably see one other men’s sport axed at that point to make room.

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  4. Dawg in Austin

    I actually thought of the freshmen LBs, if they can pass the guys ahead of them by the end of the year. Tindall is going to be a beast but he’s small, like Roquan was as a frosh. Otis Reese could try a couple positions out and not lose a year. Provides flexibility, if you’re “Trippin.”

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    • CB

      These are the first two that came to my mind as well. Reese looks like an animal on his high school film. Then again so did Ryne Rankin so you never know…

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    • CB

      I know they have Reese starting off at safety, but I think he’ll end up at ILB eventually if they can put weight on him. After watching a bit of film I think Reese will be the superior player of the two. Tindall tackles people, Reese punishes them, and he has exceptional ball skills. Plus, Reese played in arguably the toughest region in the GHSA against Warner Robins, Houston County, Northside (WR), Coffee County, and Valdosta. Tindall was in Sackerlina so he’ll have the greater adjustment to SEC football.

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      • Cousin Eddie

        I had the chance to watch Rese play twice last year. He is a safety. Think Thomas Davis with mean streak., and that saying a lot. He is faster than many players to get to the ball, Great Instincts(?), and when he gets there it usually ends bad for someone else. He will be the enforcer in the back end that they need.

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        • CB

          Respectfully, Thomas Davis type players at safety don’t really work all that well in the current football climate, which is why Davis is in NFL Pro bowl linebacker. I’m not saying Reese won’t excel at safety, but he really reminds me of Roquan when I watch his film. Just curious who did you see Reese play against? I live in the Macon Warner Robins area and I regret not making it a point to check out a Lee County game over the past couple of seasons.

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        • CB

          Also, I know it was a different defensive coordinator and coaching staff all together but Alec Ogletree also played his freshman season at the safety spot, and come to think of it I’m not sure that Roquan didn’t play a little bit of safety during his first season but I could be misremembering.

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        • Dolly Llama

          “Thomas Davis with a mean streak?” Good God, I didn’t know you could get meaner than Thomas Davis. And CB makes a real good point about the “current football climate” and those types of players. And when I say “those types of players,” please don’t misunderstand it as condemnation. Thomas Davis was as good a DGD as there ever was.

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          • Cousin Eddie

            Reese has no fear on the field and brings it every chance he gets. He might add and another 15 to 20 lbs. and out grow the Safety position. Right now he has the speed to stay with most receivers and the physicality to drop down into the box when needed.
            If he does add the weight he can drop down to ILB and play like Smith did but at his current weight and skill set he makes for a great SS.

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  5. Greg

    Not a bad list….but pretty sure Zamir White will not need to “preserve his four years”.

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  6. Borodawg

    I’ll admit I don’t know much about the X’s and O’s of football but couple this rule with kids enrolling early for Winter semester and it could give teams a huge advantage in player development. (transitioning to the college routine and schedule, training, rehab under Courson, learning the playbook, nutrition, etc.)

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    • Coach Bobby Finstock

      Why on earth would you admit you “don’t know much about the X’s and O’s of football?”

      This is the internet, bruh. We’re ALL experts on everything: the intricacies of foreign and domestic political policies and ramifications of the implementations thereof, film and film theory, music and pop culture in general, the history of the United States — nay, THE WORLD, and most of all, if you’re from the ‘Boro I’m thinking of, every facet of college football up to and including X’s and O’s. C’mon, man. Drop the humility.

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  7. Raleigh St. Claire

    Zamir White is not a redshirt candidate in any shape form or fashion.

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    • Russ

      Let’s see what Swift, Holyfield, Herrien and Cook have to say first. It might be a nice luxury to give Zeus the first half the season to fully heal, then bring him in fresh for the stretch run when we kick Bama’s ass in the SECCG.

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      • Dolly Llama

        Seriously, let him get four late games in the year, when we need even more fresh legs. It’s interesting to think what a wrinkle this puts in coaches’ strategies. You have prepare for a lot more possibilities.

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        • Dolly Llama

          “have to prepare”

          Senator, I promise to click on even more ads if you were to get some kind of edit function.

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  8. Uglydawg

    This changes just about everything. Literally, red-shirting a player now only costs you about 65% of what it has in the past. But that is just on paper..in real life, it gives every team the opportunity to be much better and much deeper. It’s usable roster expansion. 85 scholarships…every player now with four years and four games of eligibility.
    For teams with a shallow roster (UT, UF) this is a godsend. It will help them immediately.
    A game changing type of true freshman and especially a QB with a little different skill set than the starter (Fields) will tweak the mindset and strategies of coaches on both sides of the field.
    No longer will we hear, “Is the coach willing to burn his redshirt to salvage this game?”
    Fields very well may be held back until the tougher games.
    We don’t need to be screaming for him to go in just so we can be entertained. Save him for Auburn, the (hopefully) SECC game, the (hopefully) NC game.
    If we’re struggling against SC. use him. Same with any other SEC game. But SC, LSU and AU would be the most likely games to be close enough to possibly need him. That would save him for the SECC game and maybe the NC game.(and this isn’t to insinuate Fromm isn’t adequate..he’s wonderful.)
    But just having Fields on the sideline and knowing he can be inserted will give DCs a Preparation Headache even if he doesn’t take one snap.
    It will make Fromm even more effective because the DC will have had to prepare for both.
    And when you have the un-believable riches at RB that UGA has, you can, by using the same 4 tough game strategy, stretch the collective eligibility or the stable by years.
    This new rule will also give recruits a lot more to think about.

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    • Uglydawg

      And by only playing Fields in four games, he would have two years as the starter instead of one…(if Fromm stays for 4).
      This rule will probably cut down on QB transfers. For instance, Fields now knows he can play this year and still have this team for two, or maybe even three years (should Fromm go to the NFL after 3).

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  9. Odell Thurman's Get-Back Coach

    I’m not sure if Warren Ericson has cracked the two-deep at center but he seems to be a guy that might be able to earn snaps in a few games to get experience while preserving his redshirt to succeed Gaillard at that spot. It’ll be interesting to monitor what Pittman and Kirby do with him, Salyer, and Trey Hill at the center position moving forward.

    The exciting thing about this is I have the utmost trust in Kirby to manage this rule change well. He’s proven to be an excellent roster manager and has always struck me as a coach that is constantly thinking about best processes and how to use rule changes to his advantage.

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  10. Otto

    Smart has said a Fields redshirt is not on the radar. Which while as I ahve posted in the past I’d like to keep that option open, I also understand.

    Fields could also redshirt next year, assuming Fromm keeps the job, does not get injured, and the new QB can handle mop up duty. I’d like to see Fields get an extra year rather than only start 1 year like Shockley.

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  11. GruvenDawg

    Prior to fall camp here are my 5.
    Azeez Ojulari – recovering from ACL
    Divaad Wilson – recovering from ACL
    Jordan Davis – could be used for depth by end of year
    Tommy Bush – S&C program could have him ready by end of year. Could give us another big target to go along with Landers, Nauta, and Woerner near the goalline for a hopeful SEC championship and playoff run.
    Warren Ericson – Usually offensive lineman need some time, Warren went through spring practice and hopefully we can see if he is ready to be Gaillard’s replacement for next year.

    I love the new redshirt rule. I think it will really help with freshman player’s engagement during the season. I could see 10-11 guys getting this new redshirt treatment and saving four years of eligibility. So far under Kirby the highest number redshirted was last year with 8, so we will see.

    It would be awesome to get separation between Fromm and Fields. Based on Kirby’s remarks and how thin we are at QB but I doubt it happens this year.

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  12. Hodgie

    Do the 4 games include bowl/ playoff/ championship games (bonus games)? I guess what I’m saying is if a player plays vs. Auburn and ga trek, then the sec champ game and we make the playoff can he play in semi and champ games?

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    • Hodgie

      Or is it just 4 games total, period?

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      • GruvenDawg

        4 games total

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        • hodgie

          gotcha. seriously, a team could hold back/develop a “secret weapon” for those type of games. for instance, if you have a one trick pony guy who is a great pass rusher you could save him and play him when necessary. for instance, you wouldn’t want to waste him vs. ga trek or austin peay. save him for a pass happy team or more important games. it will be interesting to see how this rule is used. thanks for your answer.

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  13. Tony Barnfart

    i think it will also be interesting to see how it could be used for mid career guys. Like a Charlie Woerner (who got hurt in the Rose Bowl). Suppose Nauta goes beast mode this year with Chaney being his position coach, then departs for the NFL. This could give a Woerner another 2 years to follow somebody from the same class at the same position.

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    • CB

      Beat me to it, I think this could positivley effect a lot of guys who might be able to help the team with a 5th year of eligibility. It could also help graduation rates.

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  14. W Cobb Dawg

    Seems to me this almost guarantees every player is going to be participating in 4 games per year – particularly the 3 games against patsies (Austin Peay, Mid Tennessee, UMass). I’m wondering if some games turn into something like nfl pre-season tryouts, while the veteran starters are rested. It certainly gives a coach options.

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    • Cousin Eddie

      I was thinking this will be the case with all the cupcakes on the menu. Get up by 4 scores and clear the benches to see what they have.

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  15. 81Dog

    I wonder if one way to handle the new rule is to let some of the new guys develop all fall, and then play them for some depth later in the season. They’d have fresh legs, and have built up some experience at practice against first rate players, maybe they get a quarter in one of the trash games and can help out against AU and Tech., keeping our starters a little fresher for the SECC.

    Just an idea.

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    • hodgie

      i would be more tempted to do it this way rather than play them in trash games. i think this is a great idea.

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  16. Assuming a kid won’t totally embarrass himself (and that the staff doeasn’t feel he needs that embarrassment) then why wouldn’t every one of the freshman play their four games? Injury? That can happen in practice as well. I would say it is likely every skill player see some special teams action at least.
    My list:
    Zamir White
    Warren Ericson
    Divaad Wilson
    Jordon Davis
    Quay Walker

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  17. Love your Blawg. No chance Zeus redshirts according to what I am being told. Being told minor tear on ACL and he can play today. Rare talent. I’ll be shocked if he redshirts. We’ll know this in SC game if he’s pretty much with Swift and in the co num 1 or 2 spot. I don’t know and haven’t heard how he’s doing on picking up protection schemes so that could push in in the RS direction.

    Fields won’t redshirt barring injury. They like what he adds and he was never sold on redshirtling. He would not have committed were he headed for the RS route. Salyer, maybe, but he may also be the starter at RG or LG a la teammate Andrew Thomas. If not the starter, he may be a candidate. Very smart and physically developed though. There are A LOT of good OL so you’ll probably see someone in this group who’s a good player. Maybe Mays? Ford makes sense as well. Maybe a fresh WR. Maybe an OLB. We have lots of those who are young.

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  18. Chris Hay

    What are your thoughts on Gibbs RS and still getting some games if he can get his act together? WTH is going on with that guy?

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