Your 10.31.18 Playpen

No doubt after yesterday’s scintillating racism discussion, we’re all fresh out of political outrage, right?  So, talk about movies, books, music or whatever tickles your fancy today in the comments.  Or racism, I suppose.

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204 responses to “Your 10.31.18 Playpen

  1. Russ

    Favorite Halloween costume or prank?

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  2. I’m a Georgia native but moved away to Virginia almost 9 years ago. Upon my arrival, I met a Virginia native who happened to spend some time in Georgia, and he said (paraphrasing), “Georgia is quickly following in Virginia’s footsteps politically, and in 10-15 years Georgia will be a purple state….much like Virginia is today.”

    Based on the governors race alone, which admittedly I haven’t followed at all, it looks like his prediction is coming to fruition, and I’m surprised to see the Democratic candidate has a very legit shot to win. For all of you still living in Georgia, do you agree that the state is rapidly becoming purple, if it isn’t already?

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    • Its Atlanta vs everywhere else. Much live Nova and the rest of VA.

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      • It’s ITP vs. everywhere else.

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        • Don’t forget about the tiny dot that is Athens-Clarke County.

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          • Agree, but the only way Georgia turns blue (or even purple) is the scale of growth ITP. Sure, there are pockets of blue all over Georgia (Athens and the urban areas). For example, North Fulton hasn’t turned blue with all of the people relocating from the Northeast or the Rust Belt.

            Just my opinion … I’ll definitely be glad when November 6 comes and goes.

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            • Bulldog Joe

              Not completely true.

              The OTP Georgia 400 Fulton/Dekalb County corridor voted Democrat in the last presidential election.

              The OTP counties of Cobb, Gwinnett, Douglas, Clayton, Henry, Rockdale, and Newton also voted Democrat.

              Among the largest Georgia counties outside of Atlanta: Richmond, Chatham, Muscogee, Bibb, Dougherty, and Clarke all went Democrat.

              Georgia has experienced an inflow of another 200,000 people since the last presidential election. Most have moved into the areas listed above.

              Like it or not, Georgia is now a blue state.

              https://www.ajc.com/news/local/hillary-clinton-got-fulton-vote-but-how-your-neighbors-lean/DorxYrSovOhgp5VgCcjFEM/

              https://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/map/president/georgia/

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              • As someone who lives in North Fulton, I would suggest that 2016 was the result of Never Trump as opposed to any movement to the left of suburban Atlanta. The Republican Party establishment still controls north OTP.

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                • Otto

                  Agreed it was Trump not party, Kemp is an extension of Never Trump.

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                • ChiliDawg

                  Lol what? Kemp is an extension of Never Trump? Think you have that backwards.

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                • Otto

                  Let me clarify, the race is closer thanks to Never Trump Pubs leaving Trump and now Kemp. Kemp attacks opposing candidates in much the same way and has a questionable business history much like Trump and as such the race is closer than it would be had things rocked as they were before Trump changed the landscape. I am seeing Abrams signs in areas that never put out signs for a Dem.

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                • ChiliDawg

                  I figured that’s what you probably meant. But I think it’s a bigger phenomenon than just the tie to Trump. Trump IS the GOP now. The moderates are retiring and the newcomers are all his brand of trollish white nationalists. So I think what eethomas said about the Republican Party establishment still controlling north OTP is off – I think the Republican party has left those people for good.

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                • Karen Handel is as establishment R as it gets, and she’s the representative from North DeKalb, North Fulton and East Cobb.

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                • Napoleon BonerFart

                  But the Dems are tilting left as fast as the Reps are tilting right. Socialists are openly running as Democrats now. And leftist voters are so ignorant that they buy the notion that the USSR, Venezuela, Cuba, etc. wasn’t “real” socialism. So let’s give it a try. There probably IS such a thing as a free lunch.

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                • ChiliDawg

                  And Karen Handel almost lost. She cozied up to Trump as well.

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                • Otto

                  Agreed on Handle, Trump will be out by term limits or Dem. challenger and his influence will fade.

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              • TomReagan

                There is a convergence of 2 things: the political divide between blacks and whites, and urban and rural.

                It isn’t just urban areas that voted for Clinton. There are also rural counties in the black belt like Macon, Talbot, Steward, Washington, Warren, and Hancock.

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            • Derek

              One way that changes is when we finally get past identity politics. There will be a tipping point when angering white people into action won’t cut it. It’s been very close to a reality already.

              Barack Hussein Obama won twice pretty comfortably and while he won the electoral college, trump got a lot less votes overall and no one has done more to motivate that base than him. In 6 of the 7 presidential elections the democrats got more votes overall. The gop base isn’t growing. It’s dying.

              Eventually the right will have to become palatable to middle class African Americans and Hispanics or die. Once there are 2 sides arguing over policy rather than over who’s a threat to who, who knows where things will go?

              It’s gradual, but it will happen. And i think it will be a lot better for the country.

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              • I would love for both sides to discuss policy rather than use the politics of fear and identity. Using immigration as the example, there are some good ideas on both sides. The problem in our political system is the two tribes want it all or nothing or want the electoral issue to beat up the other side.

                As my UGA political science professor put so eloquently, a politician’s job after getting elected isn’t to serve those who elected them … it’s to get re-elected.

                Identity and fear politics are the easiest way to achieve that goal.

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                • DawgPhan

                  last week one side sent pipe bombs all over the country, murdered 11 people in a house of worship and attempted another mass shooting at a house of worship. Fuck that both sides nonsense.

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                • Napoleon BonerFart

                  And leftists tried to massacre Republican politicians practicing baseball. And broke 6 of Rand Paul’s ribs while he was mowing his lawn. And killed police officers in Dallas. And shot up a Florida GOP office.

                  Fuck your one side nonsense.

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                • PTC DAWG

                  So you want a Dictatorship?

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                • Ellis

                  Just to keep the facts straight, the dude that murdered 11 people at the Jewish synagogue was an anti-Trump nut job whose ideology is 180 degrees from anything Trump has ever said or done.

                  The fact is he is evil and his act had nothing to do with politics.

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                • Derek

                  Actually both claim to be Nationalists.

                  The shooter just didn’t think Trump meant it.

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                • Angry American

                  Wait are seriously saying that conservatives sent pipe bombs and then murdered the folks in Pittsburg? You have to almost be as crazy as the wack jobs that committed those crimes…

                  And to the other idiot claiming it’s ITP and everywhere else in GA you are wrong. Plenty of solid conservatives here ITP. The head scratcher is the morons ITP that live in the $2mm+ mansions who are in favor of paying higher property taxes etc

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                • I’ve lived in probably the most “conservative” area ITP since 1994. No shit there are plenty of conservatives here. Let me break it down for you- hopefully you can understand:

                  Went to a neighborhood Halloween party last night. Literally the guy across the street from the party is a delegate in the Republican Party (that’s evidence of conservatives ITP). Also, you could hit a 5 iron to 3 other houses that have Abrams signs in their yard. And, the first guy I ran into at the party who does not sport an Abrams sign told me last week he was voting for her (that means there are also plenty of liberals here too).

                  If you want hard evidence there is a nifty tool on the internet – go to http://www.google.com and then type in “2016 Georgia election results”. Some results will then suddenly appear on your screen. Click on the first couple results and it will take you’ll see the vast majority of counties in Ga vote Republican proportionate to ITP.

                  Hopefully you were drinking when you typed that out last night.

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                • Derek

                  This is why at the end of the day its all our fault.

                  If the electorate was suddenly pro-child porn they’d be arguing about who’d been pro-child porn the longest.

                  Politicians don’t lead. They try to get 50% plus 1 anyway they can.

                  What has always troubled me more about the GOP is that they are far more opaque about what they want which is the abolition of the New Deal and the Great Society i.e., social security and Medicare. Can’t get it done voluntarily so that do it by cutting taxes to the point the government we’ll be too broke to fund them.

                  As far as I’m concerned that’s just fucking evil.

                  But they have warned us if you’ve paid attention.

                  “I don’t want to abolish government. I simply want to reduce it to the size where I can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub.”
                  – Grover Norguist
                  Interview on NPR’s Morning Edition, May 25, 2001

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                • Napoleon BonerFart

                  As usual, you’re exactly backward. The New Deal and Great Society programs, like most socialist pipe dreams, were bankrupt from day 1. If the national government increases income taxes to 150%, they’re still bankrupt because they’re Ponzi schemes.

                  But fools like you think that getting free stuff sounds wonderful. We can just take things away from rich people forever without any repercussions. IOUs never come due. So it’s the Democrats who are lying through their teeth about how we can just keep borrowing our way to greater prosperity because who cares about our children and grandchildren, amirite?

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                • dawgxian

                  First SS recipient paid $700 in and took $20K out

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                • Angry American

                  Couldn’t agree more. The current population on Medicare spends 3x what they put into. That math doesn’t work. I don’t care what side of the aisle you are on.

                  Socialism doesn’t work and is evil and should be rooted out and destroyed at all cost.

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                • Derek

                  Run on it like a man. Tell the truth:

                  “Social security and Medicare are socialist programs we are against and want to destroy.”

                  Just tell the truth. And then lose.

                  And that’s the hard part. And why your party is evil. You can’t tell the truth and won’t. But you’ll support yanking it away from unsuspecting fellow Americans because you’re evil fucks.

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                • Corch Irvin Meyers New WR Corch

                  Post modernism, intersectonalism, and Identity Politics that set up a system of victims based not on choice but immutable characteristics one is born with, and then forces those victims to compete for “most victim” states… THAT is evil.

                  And yet, most people in the center and the right haven’t gotten around to believing like those in the modern, Regressive Left do: that the other side IS evil. That’s why they can do the things they do in shutting down speech or even in committing acts of violence, because they’re fighting “evil.” It’s why they say words are “violence,” because if words are violence, they can use physical violence to respond in kind.

                  I’m done seeing you people in the Far Left that have taken over the Democratic Party as simply misguided or wrong. I’m seeing you for what you are: authoritarian socialists by another name. And because authoritarian socialism IS evil, well, that shoe must fit.

                  If that’s the case, I guess that means Derek and what HE believes is evil. It’s time the center-left, center, and the right use Alinsky’s rules to fight back. People like Derek say words are violence? Okay. Words are violence. Let’s see how well that works out for these authoritarian socialists. I’m gonna guess they’re gonna look like that Antifa pussy who ran away after being confronted by the son of a 9/11 victim than the tough guys they think they are.

                  Violence begets violence, and while I’m never going to be the person who instigates or throws the first literal punch, I’m actually someone who is prepared to return violent force. And there are more like me than there are of you, Derek, and at some point, enough of us are going to get fed-up with this bullshit as you continue to drive the center-left and the center fully out of your post modern Left.

                  So how about, for the time being, you let up on labeling people as evil simply because you disagree with them? Your rhetoric is getting out of hand and you won’t like where your constant escalation takes you.

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                • Derek

                  Actually my side has had more votes in 6 of the last 7 elections so thanks for playing.

                  Also, it isn’t my side that doesn’t want everyone to vote. Its yours.

                  I’m saying that telling the electorate that you want to “reform” or “save” “entitlements” when what you’re actual ideology tells you is to KILL them, you’re evil. Elections are supposed to about choices. Lying about your intentions inhibits intelligent choices.

                  Finally, stop it with the bumper sticker language. It just makes it clear that you have no idea about what you’re talking about. At all.

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                • Napoleon BonerFart

                  As you know, neither party can tell the truth because it will cost them votes. The Republicans don’t really want to eliminate entitlements. After all, Medicare Part D is the most recent entitlement and it’s a Republican program. Republicans may want to reform entitlements to temporarily shore up the finances. But that’s probably about it.

                  But Democrats aren’t going to tell the truth, either. The Democrat/Democratic Socialist notion that health care, jobs, housing, school, wages, and everything else can be provided free of charge by the government forever is nothing more than pap for morons like you. But it works. Everybody likes free stuff. Free stuff is popular. Even if it can’t last. Even if our grandchildren will be broke. Screw them. I want my goodies.

                  And that’s why the Democrats are more evil than the Republicans. Because your entire argument is that reality is evil. Truth doesn’t count. Words are so much nicer. Words like “victim” and “free” and “fascist.” So keep burying your head in the sand and crying about the mean old people who want to recognize reality. At least some of you idiots are entertaining.

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                • Napoleon BonerFart

                  “Stop using bumper sticker slogans.” … “Good guys won popular vote.”

                  Cognitive dissonance for the win! Participation trophies all around!

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              • Napoleon BonerFart

                You’re not against identity politics. You fully support any race, sex, or other voting bloc supporting leftists. What you object to is the rise of the alt-right playing by the same rules to support an opposing candidate.

                It’s interesting to note that Trump did better with Hispanic voters than Romney. And that was during his “racist” campaign to limit illegal immigration. So identity politics may not be the future of the left.

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      • Rebar

        Clinton won the Savannah area.

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    • ChiliDawg

      Georgia, Florida and Texas will all be purple-blue states in the near future and Republicans know it which is why so many (like Brian Kemp) are working so hard to disenfranchise the minority vote. They’ve completely shirked any pretense of governing for the people, instead turning their attention on strategies to preserve white majorities. The voter suppression Kemp is engaged in right now is appalling.

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      • mwo

        Yeah, it’s ridiculous to think the ID you have should match to the letter how your name is spelled on the voter registration. Couldn’t we just use SSNs as registration to vote? That way you show your card and vote. Everyuone has one-right?

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        • That assumes everyone carries a SSN ID card (I don’t). Same issues. The demographics are why it looks terrible. Something like 70% of the registrations on hold because of the law are minorities, which admittedly doesn’t look good when you’re a candidate overseeing that office and your opponent is black.

          BTW early voting was a breeze in Dekalb co. Save yourself a few hours next tuesday.

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        • ChiliDawg

          The right to vote is fundamental and embedded in the Constitution. Yet Southern states seem to be looking to make voting harder (wonder why that is). Maryland is voting to allow same-day registration, I plan on voting for that and would like to see that implemented everywhere. Not an exact match with your voter registration? OK, fine, fix it right there at the polling place and we’re done.

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          • 3rdandGrantham

            There is absolutely NO right to vote in a federal election anywhere in the Constitution. There is no argument to be made here, but if you disagree, please point to where this specifically is stated. Also explain why for years various politicians have been trying to enact a right to vote…perhaps they should have consulted with you first and saved their precious time.

            Now, the constitution does clearly state that state voting rights cannot be denied based on race, color, etc., but again there has never been a right to vote in a federal election contained anywhere in the Constitution, past or present.

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            • Corch Irvin Meyers New WR Corch

              And what an intelligent argument this is:

              Requiring a citizen present free government picture ID to vote so you prove that you are you is RAAAAACIST!!!

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            • Derek

              Should have told that to the majority in Bush v. Gore.

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            • ChiliDawg

              Other than where mentioned in the 14th, 19th, 24th and 26th amendments, your’e right, absolutely not mention of voting in the Constitution.

              What are you trying to argue here exactly? I’m not sure if you’re trying to get me into a hair-splitting “gotcha” moment of whether you actually believe what you’re saying.

              You understand of course that voting as a right is fundamental to the very concept of a representative democracy, right? What I said is absolutely true, that the right to vote is fundamental, and it is embedded in the Constitution, in four different amendments, no less.

              You’re not going to get anywhere with me trying to argue what “rights” are as defined by what’s explicitly defined as such in the Constitution. That’s an argument of semantics hinging on the premise that your rights can be granted to you by the government in the first place.

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              • 3rdandGrantham

                It’s not hair splitting; it’s the very basis of your opening statement. Let’s try this again…there is absolutely NO right to vote in a federal election guaranteed ANYWHERE in the constitution, and would ask again for you to please point out specifically where that right is granted.

                Again, both politicians and various scholars alike are actively trying to make voting a constitutional right, which again is quite ironic as you’re essentially saying, ‘hey guys…it already is!’ Just admit you’re wrong here and we can move on, as this simply isn’t an argument you are going to win – via semantics or otherwise.

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                • 3rdandGrantham

                  And please, simply do a cursory search on this and don’t just believe some idiot like me on a football forum. Here is the very first search result I got when I did a google search on it; https://www.fairvote.org/right_to_vote_faq . Here’s another: https://democracyjournal.org/magazine/28/the-missing-right-a-constitutional-right-to-vote/ .

                  Also do some self-reflecting and ask yourself why so many politicians continue to speak out about the lack of a right to vote in federal elections before flippantly pointing to various amendments while conveniently failing to drill down on any of them (and what they actually say). If anything, you are showing blatant narcissism here by, 1. not admitting you’re wrong, and 2. honestly believing what you think to be true, even though thousands of others – including myriad noted scholars – know it not to be true and are investing vast time and money into changing it.

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                • Corch Irvin Meyers New WR Corch

                  I don’t think introspection or critical reasoning are in Chili’s tool belt.

                  Then again, he’s not alone in this lack of fundamental skills.

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                • 3rdandGrantham

                  Not trying to get into a long debate with the guy, but I’m continually amazed at the number of clearly fragile egos that are out there who refuse to admit when they are wrong; especially when they are called out. Instead, they either dig a deeper hole or conveniently try to move the goalposts in effort to pathetically save face.

                  The smartest, most successful and most respected people I know have in common the ability to admit or own up to their mistakes or false statements, coupled with a general willingness to learn something new from others, and thus continuing to evolve in their firmly held opinions.

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                • ChiliDawg

                  See my last paragraph –

                  You’re not going to get anywhere with me trying to argue what “rights” are as defined by what’s explicitly defined as such in the Constitution. That’s an argument of semantics hinging on the premise that your rights can be granted to you by the government in the first place.

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                • ChiliDawg

                  To expound – the Constitution does not confer ANY rights upon you. Those are rights you already had which the Constitution protects. You can argue that the Constitution does not do enough to protect the right to vote (and I would argue that it doesn’t because currently the government can deny that right to people with felony convictions) but that is not the same as saying there IS NO right to vote. If there was not a right to vote, there would not be 4 constitutional amendments preventing the government from denying it to people. Hell, the very article you linked makes mention of the citizenship test which literally calls voting “a right.”

                  So yes, this is very much an argument about semantics, so go ahead and argue it till you’re blue in the face, but don’t peddle accusations of narcissism when you’re out here feigning egregious falsehoods over your plantation-era take on the right to vote.

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                • 3rdandGrantham

                  Holy shit, you still can’t bring yourself to admit it, can you? You made a blanket statement about “The right to vote is fundamental and embedded in the Constitution”..which is 10000% wrong and can’t be argued against. Academic scholars, Supreme Court Justices, historians…even former presidents (Obama, Carter) have argued for a right to vote, but yet here you are digging in, telling the entire world they have it all wrong and you have it right. Good hell is this narcissism + fragile ego at its finest.

                  And instead of simply admitting, “yea, my bad on that one…I was wrong,” instead you’ve now resorted to pathetically moving the same goalposts I alluded to earlier, and talking about how the constitution doesn’t bestow any rights upon you, how it truly is semantics, etc. I mean, wow…do you not realize how pathetic you sound? I’ve even asked you to please point out exactly where in the Constitution the right to vote in a federal election is guaranteed, but – surprise! – you’ve been unable to do so.

                  Dude, give it up already.

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                • ChiliDawg

                  You seem intent on deliberately misrepresenting this issue. I am reminded of the scene from A Few Good Men where Lieutenant Bacon presents as part of his argument that there can be no such thing as a “Code Red” because it does not exist in the Marine Corps Field Manual. A point which Lieutenant Cruise quickly negates by countering that the location of the mess hall is not in the manual, either.

                  Just because there is no text that, as you so narrowly put it “guarantees the right to vote in a federal election,” does not mean that it is not a right.

                  The fact that you’re acting so pissy over your assertion to the contrary is making you look ridiculous. Go ahead, keep flailing away.

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                • ChiliDawg

                  It also bears pointing out that you’re constructing quite a straw man here with your “point out where in the constitution that it says you are guaranteed the right to vote in a federal election.” I’ve never once in this entire argument claimed that it says those words.

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                • Derek

                  Its at a minimum “hyper-technical.”

                  As long as government offices are determined by voters, you’ve got the right via other mechanisms both in the constitution and via federal law.

                  To say the state or the feds can prevent any person from voting doesn’t violate their rights is incorrect even if as you note, it isn’t explicit.

                  So there’s no right to abortion in the constitution but a state ban violates a woman’s constitutional rights.

                  There is no stated right to desegregated schools in the constitution but there is in reality.

                  There is no right of a married person to possess contraception stated, but in reality the SCT has said that there is.

                  There is no right to a blow job performed by an adult in the privacy of my home, but thank God for the Supreme Court I do have that right.

                  I could go on.

                  So you can be “right” if you like but in the real world we live in you’re actually very very wrong.

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                • Wolfman

                  This is late, but there are no federal elections. These are all state elections. Each state gets to choose which candidates they put on the ballots in the federal races. Your voting precinct is overseen by the state, not the federal government. In fact, we aren’t voting for any federal races – these are all state races. There is no federal election, but all state elections happen at the same time. And those rights are indeed guaranteed in the Constitution, in the amendments that he indicated earlier.

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          • Corch Irvin Meyers New WR Corch

            Um… there is no right to vote. You don’t know that? You seem to think you know everything, so how do you not know there is no guaranteed right to vote? If there was a guaranteed right to vote, then we couldn’t disenfranchise felons.

            Hmm. Maybe you’re not as smart as you keep on trying to convince the rest of us you are.

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            • PTC DAWG

              Your last sentence hasn’t been in doubt for years.

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            • ChiliDawg

              I don’t put much stock into what you think is smart. You are not what I would call a good judge of intelligence.

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              • Corch Irvin Meyers New WR Corch

                So what you’re saying is… you still don’t understand that there is no right to vote guaranteed by the US Constitution?

                Hey, ignorance is bliss, I guess. It’s a time-honored tradition practiced by people of all ideologies. How else can you explain that the Dem and Rep nominees for president in 2016? 🙂

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                • ChiliDawg

                  What I’m saying is that you’re a fucking idiot whom I don’t deem worthy of engaging in discussion with.

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                • Corch Irvin Meyers New WR Corch

                  So what you’re saying is that not only do you not understand what rights are and aren’t guaranteed in the US Constitution, you also are unable to make an intelligent argument to support your positions?

                  You not only have the strawman thing down, but you’re aces at the ad hominem attacks, Chili. You definitely do Alinsky proud. 🙂

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                • Derek

                  Alinsky? In this context that makes you sound very fucking stupid and the very thing I say you are: a talking point machine with a total inability to understand what the fuck you’re talking about.

                  Alinsky was nothing more than someone who tried to give poor people political power in Chicago by organizing them to resist the rich and powerful. I know that’s very threatening to the owners of the plantation but it ain’t gotta damn thing to do with constitutional rights. Dummy.

                  You’re this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2j3adcbEwSM

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              • Angry American

                Chili and Derek are still having a melt down that they lost the last presidential election and the Supreme Court is now firmly conservative. The salty tears are amazing.

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      • Ellis

        Blacks and latinos are leaving the democrat plantation in mass and becoming gop voters so I don’t see the Florida, Georgia, or Texas prediction. Trump has 40% approval rating amongst blacks and I can attest in Texas conservative values and economic growth has many latinos voting republican.

        If we learned anything in 2016, it’s that people are smarter than the left thinks and more of them are voting for their own self interests, not because they are part of some victim group that is told they must always vote democrat.

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    • W Cobb Dawg

      Not just Atlanta. Cobb County is definitely going from red to blue. No need to wait 5 to 10 years either. This was once the reddest of the red. But majority voted Hillary in ’16. I don’t see it swinging back the other way, even if they close all but one polling place.

      But what’s the difference anyway? The republican Cobb commission was happy to give away half a billion to the Braves. Even the dems in Atlanta took a pass on that boondoggle. And just to prove the repubs didn’t learn a damn thing, they were recently gonna give incentives to Kroger to build a fricken grocery store! Once people got a whiff of that b.s. it disappeared fast.

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      • Anonymous

        The parties are changing constituencies again. In the late 19th century, the Democrats were still mostly agrarian Jeffersonian Democrats while the Progressive movement was formulating within the Republican Party in the cities. The selection of Woodrow Wilson for Presidential Nominee was the beginning of trying to court some of those voters. This resulted in fluctuating constituencies that finished sometime during FDRs term before WWII. The Cold War kept the two main parties somewhat similar for quite a while, but the split start to be with “Values Voters” in the 80s and 90s. Those voters are in the process of being abandoned by the Republicans. Constituency blocks are in flux again. In 2016 the Democrats hitched their wagon to groups that would be impressed with “first female president and promises of free stuff”. That didn’t work. In 2018 they are hitching their wagon to “Orange man bad”, “free stuff”, and trying to import more people that will vote for them. That isn’t a viable strategy either.

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    • Anonymous

      Virginia turned Purple / Blue because huge numbers of people there work for the Federal Government. They are voting for their jobs. Georgia will not become a Purple or Blue state until the Social Justice Retard trend goes away and the party undergoes another neo-liberal infusion. If the Democratic Party was still 1990s style Democrats on economic issues, they would absolutely kill the Republican Party in the state and the country. Zell Miller would get 65% of the vote against Brian Kemp.
      Instead, these types are losing their primaries to the candidates on the far left or try to run as Republicans and lose that primary too.

      The Democratic Party shot itself in the foot when they abandoned white working class voters in 2016. Their core constituencies are now unmarried women, ethnic minorities, the LGBTQ community, and smug urbanite hipsters. These people pick the primary winners and their main issues are things that drive away independents. There are a lot of people in the state that live in counties where every representative at the local level is a Republican and local elections are basically handled during the primary. This keeps the Republicans from going full retard for most offices as it draws in more moderate voters.

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  3. ChiliDawg

    I’m old enough to remember when Republicans would have rioted if a President had said he was going to overturn a Constitutional amendment with an Executive Order.

    Ah, the good old days.

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    • jrod1229

      It’s funny watching people defend the 2nd with so much gusto but when the 4th and 14th get rode all over it’s pure silence. Shows the full level of hypocrisy.

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      • HiAltDawg

        and the other way around, smart ass.

        I received a lecture that the 2nd Amendment only applied to muskets by the same person that told me the 14th Amendment was intended for immigrants in the future.

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        • jrod1229

          Ignoring your gracious start. I do think there is something to be said that our founding fathers could not have fathomed the level of technology/advances we have and thus reading it black and white isn’t the ideal way. I’m not overly concerned about that though.

          Based on your first comment you’re a huge proponent of the 2nd? Do you also support all of the Bill of Rights or only those that Trump says are good for you?

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          • HiAltDawg

            “Do you also support all of the Bill of Rights or only those that Trump says are good for you?”

            What does that even mean?

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            • jrod1229

              Go back to my original comment (the smart ass one) and provide your opinion.

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              • HiAltDawg

                I just pointed out, from conversations, that what you call hypocrisy is articulated from the exact opposite point of view. And that you’re a smart ass – – but that was more figurative.

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        • ChiliDawg

          What do you think those that signed the Constitution were, exactly? Native Americans?

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    • Derek

      You remember 20 months ago? That’s a long time!

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      • ChiliDawg

        Some days I get nostalgic and hearken back to the era when conservatives were ready to form militias and fight the US Army because they were just CERTAIN that the military deployed for exercises in the state of Texas was a precursor to the President declaring martial law.

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        • Napoleon BonerFart

          It’s kind of like idiots who think that enforcing immigration laws is the first step of genocide or dictatorship.

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        • Derek

          Intellectual consistency isn’t their thing.

          Consistency in hating:

          people who don’t speak american
          people who don’t pray to baby Jesus
          people who aren’t white

          is the unifying theme.

          Then you have the people who’d be happy to have concentration camps if their capital gains taxes went down in exchange.

          Its a party of xenophobes and prostitutes.

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    • Anonymous

      He wouldn’t be overturning a Constitutional amendment. Birthright citizenship is not codified in law or the constitution. I has been tradition since the United States v. Wong Kim Ark in 1898. Wong only ruled that children born to persons with permanent residence (and were not employed by their native governments) were citizens at birth. In Elk v. Wilkins the court decided that Native Amercians born in the United States, were not citizens because they owed allegiance to their tribe when born rather than to the U.S. and therefore was not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States when born. This was not fixed until the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924.

      Trump couldn’t do it with an executive order, but precedence shows that congress could. The 9th Circuit would put a stay on it as soon as Trump signed the bill and the fight would go to SCOTUS. Precedent would be Trump’s side. The $64 question is how would they rule? I imagine a 5-4 or 6-3 ruling (Roberts and Gorsuch going the left) decision to maintain birthright citizenship.

      Everyone is so up in arms about this issue, but the US and Canada are the only two advanced countries that have birthright citizenship.

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      • Derek

        Words are hard:

        “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.”

        Pretty simple stupid. That language does not work for former slaves if read any other way than LITERALLY and since that was its fucking purpose (ending the Dred Scott precedent) its hard to read that brief amount of English in any other way. Unless you’re stupid, like the president.

        Truth is harder: the reason that the colonial powers of Europe didn’t want birthright citizenship is that they wanted “subjects” not “citizens.”

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        • Napoleon BonerFart

          Cite precedent and children respond with “ur gay.”

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        • Anonymous

          The entire point of the amendment was to guarantee the constitutionality of the Civil Rights Act of 1866. Court precedent says that the kids of illegal immigrants are subject to the jurisdiction of their parents native country as in Elk. That is why the Civil Rights Act of 1866, and not the 14th amendment, granted citizenship to former slaves by legally declaring them under the jurisdiction of the US. It is the same way that the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924 made all Indians born in the US citizens. It is the same way that the Amnesty bill under Reagan game people citizenship. It is the same way that congress could codify birthright citizenship or ban it. They could not codify that children of lawful permanent residents are no longer citizens at birth because of Wong. They also could not remove citizenship from persons previously granted it my

          It is pretty simple. You are just wrong. What is and is not constitution is decided by the SCOTUS and not you. I think the current court would agree with you, but, until then, Elk says you are wrong even if birthright citizenship is a tradition. It is currently not codified by law or the constitution. The decision in Wong was basically that Wong grew up here and had never been to China until he was an adult that his allegiance lied with the US and not China, so there is that precedent as well.

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          • Derek

            Elk says that an Native American tribesmen was not subject to American jurisdiction at birth, but was subject to the tribe instead, thus the exception applied.

            That doesn’t work for newly born children in America stupid.

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            • Anonymous

              Oh, for fucks sake. You need to come back and reread what you wrote on another day. The cognitive dissonance is really giving you a brainfuck right now. Your statement is equally valid as “The moon is made of lizard eggs stupid”.

              The ruling was that he wasn’t a citizen from birth despite being born on US soil because of his parents. The same rule would apply to to illegal aliens since they are subject to the jurisdiction of Mexico. It is a direct 1 to 1 comparison unless you want to pretend that Elk was never a newborn child. Wong was ruled a citizen because the parents were here legally and thus under the jurisdiction of the US. Birthright citizenship is not codified in law or the constitution. It is a tradition and has only been one since Wong in 1898. That is why you had the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924 because Native Americans born before 1898 were not considered citizens.

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              • Derek

                Where does it’s linked to “parents” rather than locus of birth exactly ffs? The issue was that elk was born on tribal land. Had his parents moved to Manhattan and then the kid was born he’d have been born subject to US jurisdiction right, stupid?

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                • Anonymous

                  No, he would not have been subject to US jurisdiction. That is why they had to pass the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924. That is why I keep mentioning it. The court ruled that Elk was born in the US the same as if he had been born in NYC. They also ruled that Native Americans were members of tribes and were subject to the jurisdiction of those tribes and not the US. The same would be said for people that are here illegally. They are subject to the jurisdiction of their native country and not the US. Wong ruled that persons here with legal permanent residence are under the jurisdiction of the US. They did not rule on persons here illegally.

                  Here is the full text of the Indian Citizenship Act:

                  Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That all non citizen Indians born within the territorial limits of the United States be, and they are hereby, declared to be citizens of the United States: Provided That the granting of such citizenship shall not in any manner impair or otherwise affect the right of any Indian to tribal or other property.

                  Until that bill was passed in 1924, only Native Americans born after 1898 were citizens. The bill made them all citizens. The 14th amendment does not state who is or is not under US jurisdiction. That is determined by law. The 14th amendment also does not say that persons born to parents here illegally are NOT citizens either. By tradition, they have been granted citizenship. The courts have recognized that it is Congress’ job to determine who is and who is not subject to US jurisdiction through legislation. Congress has done it with freed slaves and with Native Americans.

                  Also, saying something that is incorrect and then calling another person stupid doesn’t make your incorrect statement become correct.

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                • Derek

                  Except that’s not what Elk said. It’s never going to say what you say it said, stupid.

                  A Creek Indian by blood born in Miami, New Orleans, Atlanta, nyc, Washington DC, in 1885, and not as a member of a recognized tribe, was a citizen.

                  As stated in Elk: “The question then is, whether an Indian, born a member of one of the Indian tribes within the United States, is, merely by reason of his birth within the United States, and of his afterwards voluntarily separating himself from his tribe and taking up his residence among white citizens, a citizen of the United States?”

                  Elk doesn’t speak to people born of immigrants. At all. It was about a unique and techinically separate sovereign within our political boundaries.

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                • dawgxian

                  Just think of Trump following precedents set by Lincoln and FDR of the president seizing powers that aren’t rightfully his. Lincoln suspended habeas corpus. FDR threw an immigrant dry cleaner in jail for charging too little to clean a suit.

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                • Anonymous

                  You are missing the point. The issue the court used for determining jurisdiction in this case was a matter of allegiance. They ruled that as being born a member of the tribe (i.e. his parents were tribesmen) that he owed his allegiance to the tribe. For you to claim that current court rulings require birthright citizenship is to argue that some random Guatemalan whose very entry to this country was a flagrant violation of US law has a lifetime allegiance to the US as defined by the Nationality Act of 1940. Good luck with that.

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                • Derek

                  It’s the child not the adult dumbass.

                  The child born in Houston by definition is not Guatemalan you dumb fuck.

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      • DB

        Here is some more on this from Ann Coulter who I know many don’t like but is meticulous in documenting her books due to her critics trying to find flaws in her arguments –> As the court has explained again and again and again:

        “(N)o one can fail to be impressed with the one pervading purpose found in (the 13th, 14th and 15th) amendments, lying at the foundation of each, and without which none of them would have been even suggested; we mean the freedom of the slave race, the security and firm establishment of that freedom, and the protection of the newly made freeman and citizen from the oppressions of those who had formerly exercised unlimited dominion over him.”

        That’s why the amendment refers to people who are “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States “and of the state wherein they reside.” For generations, African-Americans were domiciled in this country. The only reason they weren’t citizens was because of slavery, which the country had just fought a civil war to end.

        The 14th Amendment fixed that.

        The amendment didn’t even make Indians citizens. Why? Because it was about freed slaves. Sixteen years after the 14th Amendment was ratified, the Supreme Court held that an American Indian, John Elk, was not a citizen, despite having been born here.

        Instead, Congress had to pass a separate law making Indians citizens, which it did, more than half a century after the adoption of the 14th Amendment. (It’s easy to miss — the law is titled: “THE INDIAN CITIZENSHIP ACT OF 1924.”) Why would such a law be necessary if simply being born in the U.S. was enough to confer citizenship?

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        • Derek

          Damn you fuckers are dumb.

          Tribes on tribal lands were deemed to be separate sovereigns and jurisdictions that’s why the exception applied.

          At the time of the 14th Amendment there were many first generation people of African descent whose parents had been brought here illegally and had been members of tribes in Africa.

          However, those tribes never were recognized nor had tribal lands been set aside inside the United States for them.

          Had an Ibo Tribe Reservation been established in South Dakota in 1835, the same ruling in Elk would have applied to a member.

          Not only are you wrong, you sound stupid. And racist.

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  4. Geezus

    So what did I miss (RE race discussion)?

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  5. Will Trane

    Saturday is shaping up like a New Years Bowl day.
    Outlander returns this weekend. Caitriona Balfe is smoking hot!
    Oh, Flower of Scotland! Go Scotland!
    Like the PBS series, currently Poldark.
    Reads…for history and military.
    Fighting for the Confederacy, The Personal Recollections of General Edward Porter Alexander [UNC Press], Edward P Porter, Augusta Georgia family.
    Very detailed. Always amazed how the US Army sent so many of these guys west with family. Even Grant and Lee. Lee who spent a great deal of early military time in Georgia coast and in Florida.
    Or the Storm of War, Andrew Roberts. Good HBO watch is Darkest Hour re Winston Churchill, the bulldog.
    The casting of characters and scenes in Outlander, Poldark, and Game of Thrones is outstanding!
    Go back and read all of Ken Follett’s books. Great. Or Nickolas Sparks.
    Or watch his book to movie, The Choice. Easy to fall for Aussie, Teresa Palmer in that movie. Her voice. And the wit of Benjamin Walker.

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    • jrod1229

      Just curious.. does everyone scroll past Will’s comments immediately or just me?

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    • Russ

      I’ve been meaning to watch Darkest Hour. It looks good and Gary Oldman is a great actor. But not this weekend. The wife is out of town and I’m going to be parked in front of the TV for some all day/night football. Got a cooler and a pack of Depends!

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      • RangerRuss

        I have the same RusSaturday planned. Wife is going north to look at leaves and my fat ass will be parked o the couch watching football from 3:30 on. I may kill a doe or spike in the morning. Depends is A technique. Pissing in the treeline is still my best option.

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        • RangerRuss

          Darkest Hour is decent. Oldman was a convincing Churchill. On that note November’s Smithsonian mag has an article Churchill Disses America. Diaries of King George VI reveal Churchill’s secret hostilities to the United States. Nothing really surprising considering the attitude held by late Victorian authors such WC, Kipling and other silly English kannniggets. I fart in their general direction.

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  6. Tronan

    FYI, Senator, GTP is overrun by spam/phishing pop-ups on mobile (I haven’t seen them appear when I use a laptop). I know this has happened in the past, but in case no-one’s mentioned it yet, it’s happening again.

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  7. Will Trane

    Caravans.
    WSJ recently reported below the fold that much immigration from south of the US border is triggered by murder, crime, and governments.
    Over 400 murders per day.
    In past year over 175,000. Been that way for awhile. Put that over a decade. Genocide by their own government and people.
    Those are the documented numbers.
    Like Churchill said, those not willing to change never change.
    All those countries have the same denominators. Been that way for decades.
    Why?
    Lot is said about global warming. Most folks will be surprised but not the ag industry, the rain forest is being destroyed for crop lands and commodities.
    Similar to the farm practices in the ’20s and ’30s here re Dust Bowl era.
    Latitudes and commodities.

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    • Derek

      You really ought to crack a book sometime. Or get on the internet.

      I’m just glad to know that sometime around 1300 or so a rich Persian, Indian, etc…etc…toured Europe and said:

      “What a fucking shit hole. Been like this for 1,000 years or more. Just a bunch of dumb ass white folks. Nothing changes.”

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  8. DB

    I thought this was an interesting point I read on Twitter this morning –> More
    I didn’t find accusations against Kavanaugh believable, but nearly every Dem/media figure seemed to swallow one or more whole. So why did story die moment he was confirmed? It’s odd. If they found these women credible, what’s stopping them from continuing to relentlessly cover?

    11:51 PM – 30 Oct 2018

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    • Corch Irvin Meyers New WR Corch

      It’s because they didn’t find the accusations credible, but as they’re all now basically the propoganda arm of The Democrats, who’ve themselves have been subsumed by the Regressive Left, they did their duty to their party like good little Trotskyists.

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    • Derek

      You’re both serious about that?

      I for one believe that the Civil War is a thing. Always puzzled me why it’s not leading the nightly news.

      The media moves on. Always. Unless it’s fox and they want to beat some shit into their viewers heads like BENGHAZI!

      Whether you believe them all or none of them what’s left to say? Frankly I’d think there’s more to say if you think it was all made up. I’ve seen some avenatti stories in the last week alleging he cooked his client’s statement.

      In short, wtf are you both babbling about?

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      • Napoleon BonerFart

        Yep. Leftist media never harps endlessly on nonsense.

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      • DB

        Fox certainly leans right but a U.S. Ambassador’s dead body was dragged through the streets on live TV. I think that along with the death of other U.S. personnel is newsworthy for any news organization. Kavanaugh could still be impeached if what he was accused of could be proven. The most likely reason the media has moved on is that they know there isn’t enough there to possibly ever prove he did what Ford accused him of.

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        • Yeah, it’s not like anything’s happened since BK’s arrival at the Supreme Court to vie for the media’s attention.

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          • Corch Irvin Meyers New WR Corch

            It’s not that there’s been other things to vie for the media’s attention since the confirmation hearings, it’s that’s they’ve dropped it altogether, which is not something one would’ve expected given their vociferousness, or perhaps, exactly what what should’ve expected, given their vociferousness.

            It’s almost Orwellian in how Dr. Ford doesn’t seem to exist at all, anymore.

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    • ChiliDawg

      What would the news be, exactly? “Kavanaugh still on SCOTUS, Republicans still don’t believe Dr. Ford.”

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    • Anonymous

      Once Kavanaugh was confirmed, hyping accusations against him no longer fit the agenda for the Democrats. Their strategy was to try to block the confirmation process until after the midterms. Their goal was to pick up seat in the Senate so that they could block or control the process. The issue here is that the Democrats changed the rule in the Senate for confirmations to be a simple majority so that they could confirm Kagan. I imagine that the Democrats had a #meetoo or some other accusation lined up for each of the people on Trumps list. Basically every action taken by either party in congress has been about the next election since about 2004. This is why we have problems that have been festering for 15+ years that have not been addressed. On November 7th, everything will become about the 2020 election.

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      • The issue here is that the Democrats changed the rule in the Senate for confirmations to be a simple majority so that they could confirm Kagan.

        I thought the Democrats discarded the filibuster rule for lower court nominations and the Republicans did so for the Supreme Court.

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  9. MDDawg

    Does Bobo get another year at CSU? They’re 3-6 right now with Nevada, Utah St, and Air Force to finish out the season. If not, where does he go from there? I’m still baffled by the fact that he hired Jancek as his DC. How does that guy keep getting coaching gigs?

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    • Bobo – Yes.

      Speaking of “how does that guy keep getting coaching gigs?”… Neil Callaway was fired from USC this week. I found it hilarious that he was involved with calling plays for the Trojans alongside Tee Martin.

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    • I think Bobo is in trouble. Maybe he gets another year due to his preseason medical issues. After this experiment, it would seem he’s a guy that will be a great OC and recruiter but may not have “it” to be a head coach. I know many here don’t want him to return as an OC, but I would think he and Kirby would be a tough duo on the sidelines and in living rooms. All of this assumes Pittman would stay as OL coach.

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    • Reverend Whitewall

      I think Bobo gets one more make-or-break year.

      Speaking of Bobo, man, when you see him now, he looks like he’s aged 20 years since he left Athens. I hope his health is getting under control, whatever he’s been dealing with.

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    • ChiliDawg

      I think he’s gone. The lack of an improvement since he took over coupled with concerns over his health long term will probably be enough for CSU to move on.

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    • Russ

      It would be hard/callous to fire Bobo this year after the medical issues he’s going through. I hope he rebounds next year.

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    • W Cobb Dawg

      If Bobo does get the boot from CSU I think its more likely he lands with CMR at Miami than back in Athens. IF we ditched Chaney I think the replacement is Coley, along with a new QB coach (or promotion of Jay Johnson). Similar situation to bama with Locksley and Enos. If Kirby didn’t value Coley he’d have let him go to tamu with Jimbo. Having said all that I think its unlikely we see a change in offensive staff unless somebody is poached.

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      • Anonymous

        Coley’s real value is in recruiting. He is why we are getting the croots out of Miami. What Kirby gave him was basically the same responsibility that he would have had at aTm. Jimbo is the real OC. He sets the game plan. He calls the plays. Coley gets to coach QBs now, and it looks like Cortez was an upgrade at WR.

        I think you are right though. Bobo to Miami to help Richt would be great for Richt and Miami. He could then spend a few years training a new OC to take over for him when he leaves to come back to Athens when it is time for Chaney to move on or retire. I Kirby got rid of Chaney, I don’t think he promotes Coley if either Bobo or Clay Helton are on the market. Those are his #1 and #2 choices for OC.

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  10. Will Trane

    Forgot these reads for Senator.
    Could read some of the novels by Stephen Hunter, former chief film crtic for the Washington Post.
    Recently read his I, Sniper [Bob Lee Swagger novels].
    Some one gave it to me to read.
    Guy won a 2003 Pulitzer Price for Distinguished Criticism.
    Lot of those should go out today, along with being over sensitive to comments.

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  11. Jim Traficants hair

    Never been to Lexington. Is there a downtown/bar restaurant scene right around the stadium or is it mainly tailgating? Heading up Friday and looking for any info/help. Thanks

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  12. Texas Dawg

    No matter your political leanings, I think we can all agree that we will be glad when Tuesday is over. I think I have had my fill of political ads for one lifetime

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    • Russ

      Yes! TV ads (during football games? Is nothing sacred anymore??), robo calls and spam text messages are driving me nuts. Plus the nutbag at the end of my street literally has two bill boards in his yard supporting some wacko. I’m pulling for the Giant Smoking Meteor again.

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    • If I see another ad with the word “radical” prominently displayed, I’m going to punch a puppy.

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    • ChiliDawg

      It’s not going to get better until Trump is gone. He literally never stopped campaigning, and for donald Trump, campaigning = churning up hate and division. It’s only going to get worse once the GOP loses the House. Pray for impeachment.

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      • Napoleon BonerFart

        Come on. Every first term president campaigns. Remember Obama telling Putin he would be more accommodating after the election? It’s just reality.

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  13. Mick Jagger

    Saw Bob Dylan last Saturday in Macon. Booooring show. He’s no Mick Jagger.

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    • RangerRuss

      Darkest Hour is decent. Oldman was a convincing Churchill. On that note November’s Smithsonian mag has an article Churchill Disses America. Diaries of King George VI reveal Churchill’s secret hostilities to the United States. Nothing really surprising considering the attitude held by late Victorian authors such WC, Kipling and other silly English kannniggets. I fart in their general direction.

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  14. W Cobb Dawg

    After watching Miami go down in flames against Boston College I was thinking how some things never change. I figured he’d be able to walk all over the acc. Poor CMR could write the definitive guide to playing down to your competition. Well, not so poor money-wise.

    But I’ll still be rooting for CMR when he goes up against fishfry at historic Mark Richt Field – 11 days away.

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  15. Al

    First time perusing a Playpen comment section. Good grief. I think I’ll stay away.

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    • Anonymous

      There are 3 strategies. I very from week to week. Sometimes it is best to ignore the thread. Sometimes I like to watch the shit flinging from afar. Sometimes it is fun to drop a bunch of documented facts that will induce large amounts of cognitive dissonance.

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    • Russ

      I think Senator misspelled “Pigpen”.

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