In today’s Mailbag ($$), Seth Emerson touches on a topic I’ve wondered about over the years.
Who has the most to crow about over the last 20 years: Georgia football, winning about 75 percent of its games, coming close to winning it all, or Auburn, winning at a lower clip and enduring some miserable seasons, but with 2010 to boast about? Was Gene Chizik a better coach than Mark Richt just because he won a national title? Is Ed Orgeron a better coach than Kirby Smart because of his title?
… There is no right answer to the question. It’s an opinion question, and feelings will vary depending on who you are. Georgia’s fan base, from what I can tell, tends to live in the moment and would probably trade places — meaning recent championship hardware and chances for more in the near future — with only two programs: Alabama and Clemson. I don’t think most Georgia fans would rather be Auburn or LSU. Maybe LSU, but I’d be surprised if any Georgia fans are envious of Auburn.
What say you? Would you trade that consistency he speaks about — and remember what highs the 2017 season brought before you answer — for that natty moment, even at a cost of the program subsequently hitting the skids?
There’s a reader poll for that.
No, you can’t choose “I want Georgia to be like Alabama and have it all” as an answer. You’re a Georgia fan and you know what that entails, after all.
Feel free to elaborate in the comments.
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It’s a really good question, and I honestly made myself think before answering. I would really, really love a natty, and who wouldn’t? But just one in exchange for years of up and down mediocrity? I honestly can’t say that’s a trade I want to make. I enjoy watching the games, and it’s made better by being competitive and winning way more often than not. That Auburn national championship seems like a lifetime ago, so the aura of a trophy wears off pretty soon. Give me consistent winning like we’ve had.
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Yep. I think most rational adults have experienced the high of reaching a significant milestone/achievement and woke up the next day feeling like everything is the same. I would love for the players on our team to get themselves hardware but for me, won’t change my life much. I’ll take being competitive, in the conversations, favorable media coverage, landing talented players, watching really good coaches.
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Thats exactly what the next day convo between Bowden and Richt was. “You feel any different? No” back to the recruiting trail.
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Beat those stinking gators and this Bulldog is happy.
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I want consistency because I deplore waking up on Sunday morning and feeling like I just lost my best friend. I enjoy going to church with my dress shirt with “Bulldogs” on the pocket. I feel better at lunch with my Bulldog hat on when I eat out. Overall I’d rather feel good for most of the season than on just the days we beat Fla, Auburn and Ga Tech.
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2nd place is the first loser.
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Which is better than 3rd or 4th or 5th…………………
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I donno, I don’t care about ours or anyone else’s second place finish
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Everyone after first place finish in the same place:
Not first place. Who cares about their “order?”
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“If ya ain’t first your last” – Reese Bobby.
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oops… you’re.
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Reese later says that it was a stupid thing to say and blames the peyote.
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Consistency – this one is easy. I attended UGA through what were truly mediocre (1986-1989) and miserable (1990) times. I was a young season ticket holder who went to Jacksonville every year to watch us get curb-stomped by the OBS and the Handbags (and 1995 in Sanford) and watched Ben Leard look like a f’in Heisman Trophy winner in Sanford (never have I been so angry leaving a game than that night).
Be in the conversation consistently. I wish I had gone to Notre Dame, but I kick myself for not dropping the dollars or the frequent flier miler to fly us all out to Pasadena.
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Thishere. You can take VD’s 4 worst seasons as UGA head coach–I was in school for 3 of them. Makes you really appreciate the wins.
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I’m convinced Coach Dooley got out in 1988 not because he was considering a political run but because he knew the bottom was getting ready to drop out of the program.
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and he didn’t want to change his philosophy 27 years into his head coaching career.
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We know that for sure because he had a chance to hire Spurrier and his pass-happy offense and passed on it, like an idiot.
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I still don’t know how much influence Dooley had in the selection of his replacement (he was stepping down as AD as well IIRC). Therefore, I can’t really blame Dooley alone for the CF that become his replacement process.
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How can he step down from being AD when he was… still the AD?
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He was retiring from coaching and was planning to stay as AD until the new coach was named. Dooley wasn’t a part of the search committee and didn’t make the announcement of Goff’s hiring. He went back to the AD slot when he decided not to run for Governor.
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Dooley made one recommendation to the search committee:
Erk Russell.
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I was at UGA 1981 -1985. I’ve had an opportunity to reflect on how fortunate I was to be in Athens during those years. I just missed the football natty, but saw some great football, basketball, and tennis none the less. One could argue that we were a alternative music dynasty in those days. It sure felt like it.
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We were at the beach
Everybody had
Matching towels
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try being a student fall 90 to spring 95
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Chuck, at least you got to experience a team that finished in the top 10 once. 😉
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I was going to vote for consistantly until you reminded me of the highs of 2017.
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consistency
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If you have a chance every year you`ll finally break through. Hard to win a NC with teams that have no chance.
I really like were we are headed.
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This, exactly.
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When was the last cinderalla? It just doesnt happen. LSU in a sense with lightening in a bottle? but LSU is consistently tough. Seriously, got to go to the 80s I think for a Georgia, or a Boston College. Being tough consistently works our for the better than magic.
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I get it but at some point the lack of a title made the consistency became absolutely maddening. It starts to feel almost like a conservative investment portfolio; you’ll never lose money but you have no upside. Always good enough to be competitive with anyone but very rarely good enough to have more than a Cinderella’s chance to win it all.
That has changed a lot because we’re consistent at a higher level than we were under Richt. But consistency with a title, and a bad season or two, every 10-15 years is where we ought to be. Where we should expect to be.
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If LSU can win an SEC and National Title every 5 years or so, than Georgia should be able to do that as well.
The fact that we haven’t is shameful. It’s a stain on the administration and the coaches. That we can’t have the same level of success as LSU is shameful, and more, that we as fans somehow shouldn’t expect to have that level of success is also insane.
It’s fucking loser’s mentality, and I’m sick of it.
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8-10 titles every 100 years is… healthy. How we’re rolling right now, yes every 5 years should be expected. 2017 was the shot and 2021 would be right about on schedule.
Frankly I think it’s an advantage for LSU to be in the west with Bama simply because they get a crack at them every single year. They don’t have to wait for that one good year to then go get one shot at peak Bama in the SEC with your entire program on the line and all the other mental crap that goes along with it. More chances is better odds to catch them off balance, and more familiarity with them for your team. They’re more “human” to the west teams… speaking of loser mentality. And you certainly get more film of common opponents.
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I might trade places with LSU—three national titles and no losing seasons this century—but no way would I trade places with Auburn, no matter how many “1980” jokes they crack at our expense. They’ve long been the number one hot mess of the SEC (though Tennessee is definitely taking a run at the title), and even the most blinkered Barn fan knows that 2010 team was a one-man show. Without Cam Newton, their highest-achieving team of the 2000s would’ve been 7–5 at best. Plus I wouldn’t want Tommy Tuberville on my conscience.
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Exactly this. And that’s really how the question should be framed: would you trade UGA’s past 15 seasons for Auburn’s results?
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How about going undefeated and coach gives out rings but cant go to a bowl? lol. screw auburn.
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Beat. The damn. Gators. Everything else will fall into place.
Btw, your poll is broken.
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I know. I’ve emailed WP about it.
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Broken poll, not a good weekend. 🙂
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you misspelled poll.
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On purpose. 🙂
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Hell to the no on trading places with Auburn. They’ve been miserable getting their ass kicked by Georgia, LSU, and Alabama. So much of our excitement as fans is our team being in the hunt and it’s just not fun when they are going 7-5 or worse.
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I’m with Doug on this — I might trade with LSU since they have been decent the entire 21st century and have three championships. I would not trade with Auburn. I don’t need the football-fandom mental health issues that being an Auburn fan brings.
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1980 was my sophomore year and it was great. However, I like knowing that we always have a good chance of winning most games and a reasonable chance against anybody, including the Alabamas and Clemsons. It’s just a matter of time before all the cards fall right.
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Forty years ago we were living large at UGA. I wouldn’t trade with any school or anybody. I got it made, fellas.
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Yep, I like to remind people that Herschel Walker and Dominique Wilkins were my classmates. Those were heady days.
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That too. Man, we were having so much fun it should have been illegal. Come to think of it some of it was.
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If “consistently competitive” includes winning the SEC East most years, winning the SEC Championship every 3 or 4 years, and being in the playoff discussions every year, I’ll take that based on the belief that it will eventually result in a national title.
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I’m thinking UGA is in the same place FSU was back in the late 80s-early 90s. In other words, always really good, just needing the chips to fall just right to win a natty. As others have noted above, if you’re always really good, then the chances of the chips falling just right are much, much better.
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I’m a younger, more recent fan and didnt endure the 90s lows. Were they easier to endure bc of the relative recency of a title? Seems sorta like the Tennessee situation now and impending AU situation.
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For me, as a baby of the 80s, I was introduced to a wasteland. My first game ever between the hedges was that game in ’90, a comeback win over Alabama. Huge in September! That team finished 4-7. (If I’m not mistaken, that Bama team finished winless.) I learned, growing up, that even our best teams are destined to finish just short, like the heartbreakers in ’92. The joys were individual games, like the one time we beat the Handbags in the ’90s, or watching Auburn implode every now and then. Championships were not conceived of.
The first time in my lifetime that Georgia won a football championship of any sort was my senior year in college. It kinda blows my mind to think about that now. For me, it wasn’t something to endure because we’d won a title. It was just who we were – never good enough. That’s why I 1) voted consistency in the poll, 2) still am grateful for CMR, because he taught us we actually can have good things, and 3) waited for my whole life until we beat the Hogs in the SECCG in ’02 to ring the Chapel Bell. All my friends went after Michael Johnson went after Michael Johnson made the catch, but I grew up on Goff football and Munson. There’s no way I was ringing that thing early.
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Nooo, hell no. Our situation wasn’t like Auburn and in no manner resembled what’s going on in that dumpster fire in Knoxville. Dawgs football was simply mediocre to good. Coaching was the issue.
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Fair. Did the meh seasons feel tolerable though bc you could remember the good times?
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No, worse, IMO.
Just want to be in the conversation/hunt most years.
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As RR says below, no way. Even in ’92 and ’97 with our top 10 finishes, those were what-if years. 2 losses by a total 5 points in ’92. A blowout loss to Tennessee and a crap the bed type of loss at home to Auburn after the glorious win in Jacksonville in ’97.
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I was 19 in 1980 (turned 20 the day of the Tech game). Got to see Herschel, sit on the tracks, and see Erk’s head bleed. I would really like to see another Natty before I die.
I do think that Kirby has put us in position to win one. We just need to close the deal – which may include beating Clemson and/or Bama twice this year.
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I think it all depends on the timeframe. I was thinking about this the other day with regards to FSU. They were one of the most dominant teams in CFB history the year they won the national title. They backed it up with a playoff spot before getting blasted by Oregon and have since been a dumpster fire. I was curious as to when the timeline turned from, “well, we got that natty” to “damn, I’d kill to be relevant again.” I don’t know what the answer is. I know that Nebraska has been irrelevant for 20 years now (2001 was the last time they were really good, though 2009 was a good season). The 1997 title year seems like 40 years ago (and Georgia’s 1980 title year feels like 60 years ago). I would say that Nebraska’s final title (1997… coming up on 24 years ago) is not worth the cost of the subsequent 24 seasons. It’s certainly not worth the last decade, that’s for sure.
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LSU has won THREE national titles since the Richt Era started in 2001.
I would switch places with LSU in a heartbeat, no questions asked.
Any of y’all who wouldn’t are liars.
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Just trying to help you out:
https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/lsu-sports/
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Do in your world, 0 > 3.
Not in my world.
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Yep. About par for your course. No need to reply further.
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Fuck LSU and their bogus ass 07 natty!
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It’s real, and it’s spectacular.
If you have a problem with that (as I do) take it up with Mark Richt for losing to the second-worst SEC team in the entire league AT HOME.
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I do have a problem with how that season worked out. It’s all corpses floating by in the river now. Richt, Spurrier, Fulmer. The only one left to direct my ire at is that asswipe clown Herbstreit. 07 and 12 got away from us.
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We direct our ire at Herbie because we don’t want to put it where it belongs: on Richt.
Everyone in DawgNation talks about 2002 and 2012, but it was 2007 that was our best chance in 40 years to win a national title. All we had to do is beat the second-worst SEC team AT HOME, and I have no doubt we win the national title that year.
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Agreed on all that. But I vehemently disagree that I’d trade the last 20 year record with LSU or anybody. Yeah, it’d be nice to have a few nattys thrown in there. However, that’s our record. You gotta own it, you got to live with it. That’s what make us who we are.
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Well, I agree that’s the reality, but this is what happens when you play “what if.” You either play and you tell the truth (of course you’d switch with LSU) or you lie and rationalize why you wouldn’t.
You’re 100% right: We are who we are until it fucking changes. We’re the chokers. We’re the Team of Almost. Fuck, we’re the State and City of Almost. It affects all our teams, not just the Dawgs.
It’s who we are. We can’t run from it. We can’t run from 1980 or Losing to Sakerlina at home in 2007 or The Spike That Wasn’t or 2nd and 26 any more than we can run from Eugene Robinson Trolling for Blowjobs or 28-3 or Up 2-0 in the World Series or up 3-1 in there NLCS or you lost to WHO in the Divisional Round all those years in a row?
Fuck. Now I’m depressed.
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Don’t forget the Diamond Dawgs blowing it in 08 against Fresno State. Bunch of damn chokers, no doubt. That’s what’s gonna make it so sweet when the Dawgs win it all and then win it all again.
I never liked suffering and I try to avoid pain. I despise losing. But those brief moments of victorious exhilaration after the rare championship win and that light on your feet feeling after an interminable ruck march make it worthwhile.
Of course if you dwell on the losses you get depressed. But not today, amigo! I’m going to make my once yearly pilgrimage to Walmart and purchase a dozen roses for a dozen dollars instead of the $85 that I spent in 1985 to have the florist send my sweetheart a bouquet because I was out in the woods freezing my balls off.
Victory is mine!
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Lol! I can’t remember the last time I willingly stepped into a Wal-Mart. I’m thinking it was when it was still hyphenated like I still spell it? 😏
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For RangerRuss and his 11:02 comment:
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Once a year and only for the roses. 23 years ago I bought some yard tools there. Everything had a “Proudly made in America” sticker on it. Most of that stuff is still serviceable. Now? Cheap chinese trash is about all that’s sold there.
Ordered a Kabar Jarosz folder last week. Big Brown Truck of Happiness brought it Monday. Nice blade. Hefty, tight and razor sharp. Made in Taiwan. A fuckn Kabar made in Taiwan. What the fuck, over?
At least it wasn’t made in China, Peoples Republic of.
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I got a Ka-Bar from my platoon sergeant when I got out. As far as I know it was made in the US of A, but it could’ve been made overseas. I dunno. I need to get it mounted. I have this beautiful shadow box that I bought that I’ve never built-out.
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DammitDerek! I’d rather stand shovel-ready behind a diarrheatic dairy cow than listen to Garth Brooks. Low Places excluded.
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His first few albums were really good. There’s something about that 90’s country music that’s nice and soothing. Little bit of Garth. Some George Straight and Clint Black. And of course, Shania Twain. Oh baby, Shania!
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Of course, give me Johnny and Willie and Waylon and Merle over any other era of country, but the 90’s country is still a might better than what we’ve gotten in the last 20 years, which along with most “rock” and pop music, is complete garbage.
Music died when the new millennium began. That’s my stance. Now get off my lawn!
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Lmao!
True. Your post just reminded me of the lyrics in the song.
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I was gifted a Kabar when I was 12. I slept with it cased for many nights. A fine a tool as a young man could own. Broke the tip, ground it to a drop point. Broke the pommel. Removed a couple leather strips and braised it back on. It’s still floating around out there in one of my nephews fishing gear. That one was made in America I’m sure.
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Aight. My retired E-8 Marine buddy gave me a US Army Kabar fighting/utility knife. Made in the USA. That’s a safe queen for sure. I should shadow box. It means a lot to me.
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Now do Kirby vs USC in 2019.
Arguably the worst loss in UGA history
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Arguably, you have a short memory.
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Umm, no. The loss to Sakerlina in 2007 was worse because what was at stake (it was the game that was the difference in playing for or not playing a National Title, our 2019 team never got there). Both Sakerlina teams finished 3-5 in the SEC.
So given that the game in 2007 cost us our best chance at a National Title in decades, I’d call that far worse.
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You rang?
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The food is better, I’ll give you that.
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I don’t mean become an LSU fan, I mean, give us their last 20 years.
LSU’s last 20 years, even with the 7-5 seasons peppered in there, even with last year’s season, has be so much better than our last 20 years as to honestly not be measurable.
Anyone who tries to tell you we’ve had a better 20 years than LSU because our “winning percentage” has been better is full of shit, and like Charlottedawg said, is just rationalizing.
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I’d trade places with LSU in a heartbeat after thinking about 2017. I still go back and watch games from that year. It would be far more enjoyable if I didn’t have to stop before the last play.
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No brainer, give me the hardware and national championships. You don’t get trophies for “75% winning percentage over X number of years”. People remember your accomplishments not all the times you were “close”. I’ll go as far as to say people saying they’d “rather” be competitive consistently vs winning a championship are at least partly trying to rationalize why it’s not a big deal that we haven’t won a championship in over 40 years. You know you’re not getting A so you tell yourself you preferred B anyways.
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BINGO.
3 > 0. Period.
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I’ll take your bait, Charlotte. I’ve been a Georgia fan for 50+ years … it’s all I’ve ever known even when my Dad’s job moved our family to Mississippi for 4 years in the ’70s. I think it’s a big deal that we haven’t won a national title in 40 years. I also think I would rather be where we are right now with an opportunity to win a title which between 1984-2002, we weren’t even close.
I take it that you’re either too young or too new of a Georgia fan (after all, you attended, in your words, a mediocre SEC school) not to understand what that 18 year period was like.
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Having lived through the same desert you did (while being a bit younger), I would take LSU’s last 20 years over ours in a heartbeat.
Are you telling me after living through the wasteland of 1982-2002, that wouldn’t take LSU’s last 20 years of winning 3 national titles and 4 SEC titles to our winning 3 SEC titles and zero, none, nada, zilch national titles?
I don’t believe that. Not for a second. It makes no rational sense.
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I would agree with you about LSU. They’ve had an incredible run (and have also gotten some luck along the way). I was responding to Charlotte’s comment that we’re rationalizing the lack of championship by pointing to consistency. I don’t think they are mutually exclusive … until this year, LSU has been a pretty darn consistently excellent program since 2003.
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Fair point.
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There are some great bands and musicians that only had one song reach the top of the charts.
Uriah Heap, Jimi Hendrix to name a couple.
And there are a LOT of bands that had a #1 song that never had another hit.. Some are so obscure we can’t name them.
Dawgs are like a band that still cranks out top ten hits but hasn’t reached the top of the charts in long time. Is there one?
Alabama is The Beatles, except The Beatles are over.
Or since they’re still around, The Rolling Stones.
But what band would the Dawgs be? I don’t know.
But I’d rather be a nationally pertinent Georgia than a one hit wonder like BYU in 84, Colorado in 90 or FSU in 99..all now mediocre to obscure programs (as far as national attention goes).
(I can’t bear to compare Georgia to Auburn)
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How about Garbage? I’m only happy when it rains. lol.
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I just want to mention that the most interesting thing about Seth’s Mailbag post this time isn’t conjecture about trading places, but rather the announcement by that WVa CB, Dreshun Miller, that’s he’s entering the portal.
And you may recall that Kirby just hired the kid’s former position coach at WaVa.
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“Miller made his debut in 2020, starting all nine of his appearances. He finished with 32 total tackles (including 29 solo tackles), and added an interception in WVU’s double-OT win against Baylor on Oct. 3. He was named to the All-Big 12 Fourth Team by Phil Steele, while earning an Honorable Mention from the coaches and Pro Football Focus.
The Kennesaw, Georgia native is one of several Mountaineer football players to hit the portal in an offseason that has seen a wave of transfers across the country.”
https://www.wboy.com/goldandbluenation/dreshun-miller-announces-intent-to-transfer/
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holy smokes. pieces all fit.
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I would trade places with LSU anytime.
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I’m just greedy. I want to be entertained on an ongoing basis, and consistency makes more games competitive, which entertains me.
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Nah, I’ve never wanted to be Auburn and sell out for a title followed by suckitude. I like our program and will be happy when we win the big one.
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LOL! Auburn = Suckitude U
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Ricky Bobby says if you ain’t first you’re last, right?
Love Will Ferrell, but hate NASCAR. I’ll take consistently very good where hope springs eternal every fall.
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Everyone is undefeated in February!
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Though I like our program, I can understand people wanting to swap with LSU. They come closer to consistency that I seek.
But I’ll stick with my Dawgs.
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Bulldog born and Bulldog bred. When I die I’ll be Bulldog dead.
I’ll keep the Dawgs, thanks.
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Had some awful luck with QB’s, those two teams had some pretty dang good ones.
Hopefully, our luck changes this year…..if not, the future looks bright at that position.
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If we’ve had a tailgate in the past 5 years where this issue doesn’t come up I can’t remember it. In fact we have a shorthand for it: “That’s the Auburn question.” Our tailgate is pretty evenly divided.
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LSU maybe, Auburn? FUCK AUBURN.
Here’s the next question: the Gators have 2 national titles since Richt arrived in Athens. They kicked our ass up until about 10 years ago. The trajectories are now different – despite what some in Gainesville might think. Are you taking their two titles and the prospect of losing more in Jax going forward? Afterall, 2>0.
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This is a good way to put it, I think. The answer, to me, is hell no.
Maybe another way to say it is, would you trade a natty for losing more than winning in Jax? Personally, my answer to that would also be no.
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Also a fun question. If you throw in ’96, sure. I think it’s a bit of a crapshoot by how head coach dependent it is, and if they make the right hire next time, they could be back on top.
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I would trade for LSU’s winning track record, but not AUsome’s. They have relevant, won 3 National Titles, and for the most part won consistently. Auburn was a flash in the pan that got lucky with Cam and even luckier when Nick Marshal was there to even make the championship game.
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Sticking to Seth’s premise…just focus on the last 20 years. A few SEC Championships but no National title. The other SEC winners have gone on to win it all. We fired our coach for that “Mediocrity”, so we already know the real answer here. Auburn cheated and no one wants to be them, but you’re lying if you claim you’re cool with Kirby only matching Richt’s record.
It’s time to win. If there were a better coach who could do it but meant a year or two of re-tooling, then fine. It’s a game, the game is to win, and there are other teams proving its very doable.
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The Gus Bus is no way to ride anywhere, even to a natty.
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It was a close question to me. I REALLY want a national championship. I was REALLY stoked in Atlanta in 17. I was too young to appreciate 1980 (high school sophomore). Yet I still choose consistency because now my favorite times with my family are in Athens in the fall. There were many years when the luster was off the season before it even got cold. Jacksonville was NO FUN. Now we seem to be in the hunt ALL YEAR which makes the season better and longer…which is very important to me.
But it would be real nice to finish the deal!
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I know the thread got slight off topic but trading places with the likes of Auburn or LSU isn’t really a theoretical question. You actually can trade places. Just dump all your UGA gear and go buy that War Damn Eagle sweater vest or that Geaux Tigers ball cap and eat you a corn dog. Why even discuss it? You’re not going to do it. I bleed red and black and so do you. The agony of being on the wrong end of bad luck, bad calls, and bad plays at the most inopportune times is at the core of our being. Munson helped build our characters and Grizzard wrote the plot. Wish we were something else? Bah. You can’t change your soul. Embrace it. We are Georgia Bulldogs! We bark occasionally and one day we will bite. The players and the coaching is here. The facilities are almost done. The pieces are in place. Give old Lady Luck a big kiss every chance you get and soon, the gravy will be ready and we will feast. Endure friends, endure. Go Dawgs!
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