… but after seeing Seth’s lede,
You don’t know what you’re getting out of Georgia’s starting quarterback from pass to pass.
… I’m not sure I really need to.
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Get The Picture · Bloviation for the Dawgnation
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I just can’t believe we’re in the position of being stuck with Lambert. Richt and Bobo really let us down. I thought HS QBs were supposed to be beating down the doors to join a college team with an nfl offense.
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The problem with modern recruiting is you really only get one bite at the apple, so to speak. Rarely do you see teams sign multiple QBs in the same class as generally when one commits the other looks elsewhere. So if you miss, as UGA clearly did with Lemay and Ramsey, it puts you in terrible positions.
I’m not a Lambert apologist, but I do feel the odds are far more likely that the coaches are playing the best option, which is horrifying.
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Wiffing on Ramsey and Park (two 4-star recruits) plus Lemay is pretty bad luck or bad coaching, or a little of both. Given how they worked the offense last year with Mason and still were very effective, I’m thinking we’re really missing Bobo, plus we had a little bad luck with Ramsey and Park.
And yeah, if you sign one stud QB, the others are going elsewhere. Which makes a wiff that much more painful.
I still can’t understand why Schottenheimer (and Richt) can’t craft an offense that can coax some serviceable action from one of the three QBs we have right now. I get that we’re not going back to the 40 plus PPG of the Crayon years, but we should be able to plod out some scores, as long as the defense can help out as well. But then I’ve never been in the arena…
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Agree. We fought Alabama hard for Park and we fought other SEC schools for Ramsey. The fact that we took Part was part (albeit admittedly not all) of the reason why Mr. Watson ended up at Clemson. It’s a tough guessing game to play.
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For God’s sake Watson was NEVER coming to UGA. Clemson got on him early AND they run the exact same offense as his HS team. It virtually guaranteed he would play early there.
Let it go!
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The Crayon Years might need to go in lexicon.
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I sometimes wonder if Ramsey would have been better had Bobo stayed, but since I can’t know the answer I try to just forget the question most of the time.
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Ask Bryant Denny (aka BD) how its going in T’Town with all those 5 star quarterback recruits. It happens to the best of them….
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It happens more often when you have a guy that starts 3-4 years. You may have an upperclassman stop-gap…but usually the depth behind him stinks. Happens at a lot of places.
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“It’s not that Georgia’s run-blocking is poor all the time. It’s not. It’s just not consistent, and sometimes the play calls don’t seem to do them any favors.”
That and the lede about sums up the offense so far this season.
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It really does. The OL looks crap half the time, then we’ll go away from the run to throw it when perhaps we shouldn’t. Or we’ll call a run and the QB will do a quick screen instead.
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I agree, though there is a part of execution as well (Parrish will like that). 🙂 On the blown 4th down attempt at mid field early in the game, we had a power formation with Douglas lined up behind Hicks and another FB(?) and initially opened some holes. But the two FBs leading Douglas both took one guy, leaving the other LB unblocked to bury Douglas for a 1 yard loss. If these guys spread out their blocks, Douglas at least squirts for a few yards. I never saw us use that formation again. Hopefully they practice it a little more and improve the execution, because I think it can work.
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I went back and looked at the play by play and have very little issue of when a pass was called vis a vis a run. At a certain point players have to execute simple calls. It was 2nd and 2 at one point and we ran the ball three times and couldn’t get two yards. Now that’s on the players, not the OC.
If you would have told me we’d be 9/19 on third downs I would have predicted a blowout. We had very few penalties, but we did have them at terrible times. And the first and goal from the 5 where Lambert felt the urge to do the quick screen was probably the most frustrating single play of the game.
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I can’t imagine a whole lot of people don’t miss Bobo right now. Lambert is a problem, but Schottenheimer would also appear to be, at best, an unknown quantity at this point.
Personally, I don’t see any rhyme or reason to Schottenheimer’s in-game play-calling against anything other than absolutely incompetent defenses. The South Carolina gameplan appeared flawless at the time, but now I realize that it looked that way mostly because South Carolina’s defense is abysmal.
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I can tell you exactly what he is doing and why. He’s trying to throw on first down about half the time to open up the running game. The problem is that lambert isn’t even hitting the easy ones and we keep ending up behind the chains or he throws it right to the other team. As they lose faith in lambert as the game goes on they run more on first down, even when the looks aren’t great. Bottom line is that lambert is terrible and everyone in the stadium on both teams knows it. We are going to continue to see loaded boxes until he can show he can hit the easy ones. As long as he cant, everything will look like total crap. As far as this being a coaching issue everybody including Alabama wanted Ramsey. Where’s the Georgia kid or another guy in Ramsey’s class that we should have offered instead? Had we let Ramsey sign with Alabama how many of y’all would have bitched about borders and the closing thereof?
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This is spot on. The play caller always gets the flack, but when you call a simple pass, it’s open, yet the QB can’t complete it, what are you supposed to do? We saw what happened when we tried running it on first down every time and so Schotty is trying to loosen up the defense a bit. UGA is in a lose-lose situation right now, and unless Lambert (or another QB) all of a sudden gets good, it won’t change until next year (or perhaps not until 2017).
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I can tell you from going through the entire play-by-play from Alabama and Tennessee that you’re wrong about them running more on first down as the game goes on. They may have tried to throw a little more on first down against Missouri. They definitely did against South Carolina.
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And after examining the play-by-play, what you described is sort of what happened. Though Lambert was not entirely unsuccessful on first down throws in the first half, they threw it a ton on first down in the first half and only rarely in the second.
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But for the near pick 6 right? It isn’t that he never completes a pass on first down. He needs to be at 70% percent or higher on those and not a turn over risk on first down. 50% won’t cut it.
They may not have run that much in first down vs. Alabama given the deficit we had but if you look at the Tennessee and Missouri games the trust diminishes over time as it should have. You also have to look at the alignments. We should be green lighting a pass each and everytime the defense shows 8 in the box and we aren’t. We’re trying to hammer it in there anyway. It makes the ol look bad because they are out numbered but if 1 gets 2-4 yards isn’t that better than an inc., a sack or a pick? This is a top-10 team with a bottom 10 qb and it’s just sad and frustrating. Two choices: keep throwing in first down or go to 12. We can’t change who we are all at once. 11 needs to find the confidence and rythym he had before Alabama put his nuts in their pockets and went home.
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I think the trust diminished against Alabama and Missouri. The play-calling was as conservative against Alabama and Tennessee regardless of how well he was or was not playing however.
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Uh… Did you see the first play? 26 had three fucking steps vs. the corner and he flat missed him. A perfect ball goes for 6. A mediocre ball picks up over 20. 11 managed neither. I could have completed that pass and I’m an old fat man. Hell we couldn’t see the game plan in the first half because he wouldn’t throw it. You can’t judge a game plan based on what that guy does with it.
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I thought we were talking about first down calls and the coaches losing faith and becoming conservative over the course of a game. That has happened exactly once so far as far as I can tell.
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I think it did vs. Tennessee too. We were too far down vs. Alabama to notice. I was simply pointing out why that faith is being tested. Dude’s bad. Real bad.
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Far be it from me to criticize a “South Carolina really sux” meme, but SC is giving up a little over 26 points a game. The Dawgs essentially doubled that average.
No other team has hung fitty on ’em, either.
Lambert set an NCAA completion record in that game. Schottenheimer’s game plan was pretty close to flawless.
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I have been thinking about that one, and I really wonder if Schotty did not pull a Spurrier on us. It always seems that Spurrier must spend the entire damn summer working on kicking our ass with the way he would shut down our O and own our D so many times. However, this year the script was reverse, could Schotty have spent a good bit of the summer prepping for the Ole Ball Coach. Whatever he did worked well, but if he needs 4 months to make a flawless gameplan and get the players to execute it, then we are f*****.
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And they aren’t calling any different plays. Same plays. Different result. Dude lost it before kick off vs. Alabama and hasn’t gotten it back. Fear is no emotion for a qb to have and he’s eat up with it. He doesn’t need a new play caller he needs an intervention like Ricky Bobby’s dad did after Jean girard put him in the wall. Maybe lambert’s daddy can get him to throw a fade while a panther attacks him.
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Haha, well done.
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So our QB and OL are inconsistent and our OC does not do them any favors many times. Geez I suddenly feel very lucky to be 5-2.
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Eason verballed with UGA really early. I have got to think that did not help recruiting qbs. If you were a HS quarterback, would you want to go to a school expecting to have, “the next Matt Stafford?” Not saying Ramsey and Bauta should have worked out better, just that there might not have been a lot of kids interested.
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Don’t forget Park. Both he and Ramsey were 4-stars and highly sought after by all our rivals. We were excited to get both of them. That both of them flamed out is (to me) equal parts surprising and concerning.
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He looks so good on some plays, and he looks terrible others. If we’d gotten him as a freshman, I think we’d be okay right now. Maybe he’ll pick it up enough in the spring that we don’t have to trot out a true freshman next year. I think I remember reading that Eason wouldn’t mind a redshirt if it meant learning the system.
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Ain’t no way Eason redshirts next year. It’ll probably look a lot like DeShaun Watson. We’ll commit to 2 series a game early on, and he’ll be starting by game 5.
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I say game 3 at the latest. He gets on campus in January and may just be the opening day guy….just looking at whom he will have to compete with and if he is half as talented as they say he is hands down #1 on the depth chart after spring practices.
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We thought we were going to have an o-line that would blow people off the ball like Bama ’12 and only need a game manager at QB. If you can’t (or won’t) make teams pay for loading up the box, you get what we’re getting right now.
Regarding QB recruiting, the big problem was the wash-out of Christian Lemay due to being a knucklehead in high school. Ramsey has been a disappointment for whatever reason (but his list of offers would indicate we weren’t the only ones who missed on his evaluation). Park seemed to decide to take his ball and go home rather than compete for the job over the summer (he may have been a casualty of Bobo’s decision to go west).
Does anyone think this would have turned out differently if Everett Golston were in Athens rather than Tally?
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Did I misunderstand but wasn’t Ramsey actually running a wing-t in high school. He had a cannon for an arm but he knew nothing about being a pro-style QB. That my friends is called a project and apparently he is not up to the task. I wanted Ramsey until I got him and he was a turnover machine. Say what you will about GL and it will probably change next week against the UF secondary, he has not thrown killer picks. I think he is a very scared QB and a very streaky one. If he gets hot he get comfortable, if he struggles early he has a long streak of brain farts. It’s to late for us now so damn the torpedoes full speed ahead. By the way the offensive line isn’t helping either.
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Ramsey did run Jeff Herron’s wing T system at Camden County. He was still an Elite 11 prospect and a 4-star prospect due to his arm and size. According to 247, Alabama, Clemson, Florida, Florida State, Ohio State, and Ole Miss all offered.
Regarding GL, I think your points are right on. When he has been comfortable (ULM, 2nd half of Vandy, USCe, Southern), he’s been very good. When he’s not, well, we’ve seen the results. You’re absolutely right that he has gotten the best support from the o-line by giving him a running game to lean on and to run play action out of.
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Your right ee saw Ramsey live and in person take on our colquitt county packers he had one hell of a arm and ran that offense like it was nothing…. Maybe being in that type of system hurt him that bad… Beats me
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Lambert has been very fortunate with defensive backs dropping pics..actually it’s been uncanny. Both he and Ramsey seem to have that problem..so why not try Ramsey? Yeah, he’s looked bad on the chances he’s had, but maybe he just needs to get on track.
And Bauta…shouldn’t he at least get a shot? We saw Ramsey after the word got out that he’s not good in practice, but Bauta hasn’t been given that benefit..maybe he plays like gangbusters.
Spurrier was a pretty good coach and he had no problem with yanking qbs around until he found something that worked.
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I just wish I could see a little more I formation with a FB in the game. seems like that has go away completely.
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Ditto. I was wondering what happened to our FB’s.
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They are running more 3 and 4 WR sets in order to get the defense in nickel or dime so we can run against a less loaded box. It also forces the defense to declare earlier which gives the QB (in theory) a leg up on the pre-snap read and he can identify man/zone and where the blitz (if any) is coming from.
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One of the criticisms people had of Seth when he took over for Hale was that he was less inclined to give his opinion on things, he was more of a stick-to-the-facts reporter. But with multiple references to the playcalling (including a whole section dedicated to it) and the “or maybe I’m giving Schottenheimer too much credit” line, I think we know his opinion of Schotty right now.
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Letting Leonard Floyd roam around is the best use for him. Hope they are doing nothing but studying last year’s film from JAX.
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Watching the replay will be boring. 77 plays in 39 minutes
Most of it is on 55 plays for 221 of the total yards barely at 280.
10 plays 35 yards
16 plays 68 yards
10 plays 36 yards
12 plays 49 yards
7 plays 33 yards
Results in a FG in each quarter 2, 3, 4.
That is what we call moving the ball and lighting up the scoreboard.
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Coach you are so right. It looks like we have a blocking issue…and about 77 snaps of poor play calling and execution.
It is okay just finish the drill…the season where we are totally embarrassed in the rest of the SEC games.
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The scary part is that we cannot really expect the OL to be much better next year unless we bring in some stud 5 star talent that can start day 1.
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Which is why we don’t need to start Eason day one. The last thing you want is to get the kid killed or give him happy feet. We almost got Stafford killed at Kentucky his first year. Keep working to get butter.
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I was never a Bobo Blamer. At least not until this year. Obviously, Bobo completely whiffed on several quarterback recruits, then fled to Colorado to avoid the fall out. Schotty had to go out and bring in a head case turn-over machine to UPGRADE the position. It’s not Lambert’s fault, he is what he’s always been.
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Bobo fled because he got a job offer and could finally get his family the hell away from Georgia fans that are nucking futs. You never know what you have until its’ gone.
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+1
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Hear hear. The anti-Bobo stuff was the most insane phenomenon, it was like a one armed man wanting to saw off his good arm. Bobo was not only not appreciated for being one of the most consistently productive OC’s in the conference he was actually hated by a sizable portion of the fanbase. Good for him that he got away from these nuts unfortunately we are stuck with them however.
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It’s STILL Bobo’s fault!!!!!!!!!
BTW…nice win this weekend for Bobo over Air Force getting his first win over FBS competition after losing to Minny and Colorado in OT.
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The UA, UT, MIZ and now Florida problem with our offenses. Have you noticed the man coverages, the run/pass blitzes and the stacked box? Without a doubt, we will see the same from UF. We have an unsure QB who is scared to throw against tight coverage — there is always a stunt or run blitz that makes him confused on his reads. We have a running back in Michel that is excellent on setting up blocks and patient with them but doesn’t have Gurley/Chubb vision for cutting to where the defenders aren’t. Therefore Defenses don’t have to play as disciplined. We have a lack of creativity in adjusting to the Defensive adjustments. Case in point, the WR screens. After a couple of defeated WR screens, we should have faked the screen and let the “blocker” take off. I would think that gets put in the playbook for Florida. Another thing, WR “picks” are all the rage in football right now. I haven’t seen us do that hardly at all— would make sense against man to man. Just my nervous thoughts about Jax.
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As long as we’re dreaming, I’d love to see Sony flex out wide, and TEs in the slot position or out wide.
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Oh,I loved Bobo. Still do. But, he created this qb situation. Single handedly.
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I disagree. In the last 15 years there is probably not another P5 team who year in year out has gotten better play out of the QB position. Recruiting is a very uncertain art sooner or later we were going to get the short straw on a couple of guys. It happens to everybody it has happened to us less than most. Numerous big program’s wanted LeMay, Ramsey, and Park. If our evaluation was faulty we had a lot of company. If Bobo had never coached a successful QB that would be one thing but that’s not the case so it’s likewise hard to blame development we just caught a couple of duds in a row. Lambert may be better next year he’ll have to be or next year’s offense will look a lot like this year’s. No matter how good Eason is he isn’t going to be able to throw us on his back as a true freshman.
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I think we’re gonna have to get through this year with mediocre quarterback play. Harkens back to 2006. Here’s hoping that nice looking Lambert boy can learn a thing or two along the way.
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We have some talented walk ons. And yes I’ve seen them practice. A lot.
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Spike I know its a waste of time, but bring on Sammy, ya know?
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Scorp form your lips to God’s and Shotty’s ears. He is better than what we got now brother…
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You people just need to accept the fact that we have the best QB we’ve ever had. He leads the country in 2nd down completion percentage with 6 minutes left in the third quarter. If that doesn’t convince you, I have dozens of inane, cherry picked stats to prove my point! And I’ll post them over and over and over. Lambert is just not being coached up to his enormous potential, nor does he have our usual 8 man deep NFL caliber receivers.
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