When it comes to the right time to play Jake Fromm this season, it’s kind of like Justice Stewart on pornography: the coaches will know it when they see it.
Personally speaking, if Fromm gets to strut his stuff in four or five blowout wins, I’m down with that.
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If they burn Fromm’s redshirt this season, Kirby isn’t worried about having to stretch Fromm’s tenure to its max, which means Kirby’s thinking he’s got more QB talent high enough in the radar. That seems a big change from Richt’s latter years.
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The right time to play Jake Fromm is the start of the 3rd quarter of the Austin Peay game on September 1st, 2018
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Yep.
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Why not go ahead and let him cut his teeth? Game experience is invaluable and are you really that concerned with having him as a four year starter? Especially when you likely have Justin Fields coming on board next year.
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A weird opinion f from me. I am a Jake.Fromm fan.
I think Kirby is looking for a dual threat QB.
If Fromm plays this year, He will probably start his last 2 years;
If he is redshirted, a dual threat QB will move ahead of him
and He will never start a game as the Dawg;s QB. My Opinion.
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I had rather see him red shirt if possible. Ramsey can take the mop up duty. If UGA is on a Division run or better and Eason gets injured, then I would consider burning the red shirt. I think Richt not burning Joe Cox’s redhsirt in ’05 likely cost UGA a undefeated season.
In an ideal world Eason starts this year and next then gets drafted in the 1st round. Fromm starts the next 2 years.
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Last I looked, Eason is ranked as 8th best in the SEC (QB). Would not be shocked at all to see Fromm eventually start.
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Wouldn’t surprise me especially next year but we are working with an assumption of year 2 improvement. Fromm is another true Fr. with little if any experience under Center.
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Eason is a finished product.
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Finished product?? ….let’s hope not.
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Are you JF’s dad?
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As opposed to you being Eason’s Dad???
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As far as I know, I’m not Eason’s dad.
There would be very little in my posts on GTP to suggest that I am.
You, however seem to be grinding an ax against him and in support of JF.
I personally think they’re both very fine QB’s and will be winners when their time comes due.
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Try reading the original post again (“would not be surprised”). Why are you so defensive??? You have done this more than once……Look I get it, #1 overall HS player coming out. Big arm…looks good. Big and tall…looks good. It makes some feel all warm and fuzzy just to see that, but not me.
What I see, is a player that was the 8th best freshman QB last year (nationally), a player that locks on to his primary and gets rid of the ball (no 2nd & 3rd options). A player that has a low completion rate. A player that did not show a lot of improvement spring game. A player being pushed by a freshman.
Look, he may turn out to be All-World, but I do not see it yet…just a big tall guy with an arm. DGAS who starts, but again….I would not be shocked to see Fromm eventually be the starter. Don’t let my thinking upset you, it is just an opinion…relax. There are also others that think he is maybe not as good as you and others think, take a look (8th best in SEC):
http://247sports.com/Article/SEC-QB-rankings-247Sports-ranks-the-SEC-quarterbacks-for-2017-103096647
Thinks the ND game will tell a lot….peace brother!
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Thanks for the sincere reply, Greg..We’ll just have to see..but I sincerely hope the kid ends up with a Heisman…and Jake does too..and whoever follows him at UGA.
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Can agree to that….but want the W’s to come along with it. I have no favorites…other than the ones that get the job done.
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To assume Fromm would replace Eason assumes he’s better than the 8th best QB in the conference despite not having taken a snap and by all accounts not having the tools or size that Eason has… so based on the hypothetical that there is no way he would be less accurate than Eason because of how he performed in High School and Practice and INTANGIBLES…he’s a top 5 QB in the SEC?
Ugh. It’s like the Bizzaro Murray/Mettenberger argument. There are some days I hate being a Georgia fan.
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Was Aaron Murray a finished product when he went 21 for 38 for 198 yards with no touchdowns and 2 picks in the bowl game against UCF his redshirt freshman year? How about Matt Stafford when he threw 13 picks his freshman year?
UGA fans deserve everything we get.
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Agreed
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I don’t know how anyone in their right mind can watch a true freshman in his fourth start hit our guy in stride on the goal line from our own 45 …with under a minute to play and to take the lead, mind you…and not think this kids is special.
i think he’s going to be great this year.
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I seriously doubt it.
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Who knows where they will stand at years end…
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Greg
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Still pouting I see, good luck with all that…left a reply above
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I apologize, Greg..notice I posted before your reply above. Got to have thick skin on here sometimes…As you offered, “Peace”..and blessings, Sir.
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Otto I think Eason isn’t draft eligible after this season.
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Otto, if you think Fromm is only a 2 year starter, why would you not want to burn his red shirt in favor of game experience?
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Well who the hell are we gonna have catching punts on the “punt safe squad”
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Redshirting has really become a non-issue to me for skill players. But for Fromm in particular I don’t really get caught up in it. I think best cases is that they sign Fields from Harrison in the class this year, I think you could very well see him be the backup in a Leak/Tebow scenario…where Eason is the starter but there are still 5-10 specialized plays for Fields each game. Fromm could actually redshirt in 2018 under that scenario and then you’d have open competition for the starting spot in 2019 assuming Eason leaves after 3.
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For positions other than QB and possibly OL, I agree. QB needs the knowledge especially in a pro-style (non RPO/spread style) scheme and another year can benefit both the school and kid greatly. OL often needs a year in the S&C program.
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No arguments on O-Line. Disagree about the QB. If he’s really good, he’s rarely spending four years in the program whether he redshirts or not. Trubinsky is really the rarity.
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RBs, LBs, DL, DBs, WRs yes play them. If they are that great they’re likely gone after 3 years (Moreno) and good for them. If they can get a great signing bonus why risk another college season? They should set aside money to pay for their remaining tuition but that is another debate.
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Kind of off subject but I’d love to see Stetson Bennett get a shot at running the Wild Dawg formation a couple of times in the early season. He’s short for a college QB, but has the roll-out passing, quick decision skills, with dual threat feet, to make me wonder if there could be a place for him.
Kirby, if you’re still reading this blog every day..consider it. If your not reading it every day, how in the world of Suzie Wong do you expect to know how to run the team?
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“how in the world of Suzie Wong do you expect to know how to run the team?”
Thanks, I am now cleaning the screen on my monitor.
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But Fran said they had to play Fromm. Don’t you guys listen?
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huh?
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For $5 Million, UGA will not only play Fromm but let Fran call the plays. #TheGeorgiaWay
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Fran who . . . ?
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I think Brice gets mop up duty… if available. But Fromm is first off the bench if Eason sprains an ankle. But agree it sure would be nice if we make a habit of putting games away on the first drive of the third quarters so that a lot of young guys can get some meaningful snaps. I really think this is the challenge that Kirby faces this year… winning ugly will not cut it as a long term solution.
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The real question is f Eason struggles will Kirbymake a change?
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Define “struggles.” Replacing a true Sophomore who is “struggling” with a true Freshman who’s never started a college game in his life sounds like a horrible idea. Way more potential downside than upside.
I don’t want to see a situation where Eason throws two picks in two consecutive drives and Georgia is behind by a touchdown in the 3rd quarter, for instance, and Kirby pulls Eason out and throws Fromm out there. 1) Fromm will probably do much worse and 2) It’s a signal to Eason that the coaching staff doesn’t have confidence in him that he can recover.
Now, if by “struggles” you mean Eason strings together two or three absolutely terrible performances, then yeah I can see going another route.
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^^^ and by “performances” I mean entire games.
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We replaced an experienced 5th year senior, who was not struggling at the time, with a true freshman last year in the very first game.
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Two hands for beginners.
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If we can’t get good QB play out of a specimen like Eason then Chaney will be dead to me. That is like being handed the keys to a Lamborghini and not being able to drive a stick shift. He will either start or he will be gone next year to one of a hundred schools that will want him Colorado State included.
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No, no, NO. Do not blow that kid’s senior season on a few mop-up plays when he’s a true freshman. Redshirt Fromm. Play Brice as the backup. If Eason is as good as he appears to be Eason will be gone after his junior season and we’ll have Fromm as the starter for 3 years plus as a backup Eason’s junior year.
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Fortunately it seems our HC is a lot smarter than those proposing we, for whatever wild reason, keep Fromm on the bench for a RS season. We are one play away from needing a solid #2 to step up on any given play, and you want his first snap to be in the middle of, pick one, the TN game, FU game, AU game, or SECCG? I guess those saying this would be content with another throwaway season because you want allour eggs in one basket. And you must be forgetting, we still need to see IF Jacob Eason has progressed in a few areas. Not saying he hasn’t, because I don’t know, I just know that having a 2 deep of talented players ready to step up is what any team that has championship aspirations wants to have.
I am not content to roll the dice on this season because of a few who feel we need a year of spacing between QBs. Like there aren’t others being prepared in high schools all over the country. I am hoping Eason has stepped his game up, just like everyone else is, but I don’t want to see a middle of the SEC QB left on his on with no one available to come in and help. We have two , potentially, gifted QBs on the team and I hope Smart doesn’t let one waste a year and still not be ready in 2018, if needed. We will see, my bet is we see both before we pack our bags for TD Jesus.
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Mac..so have you written Ramsey off as a solid backup? Wouldn’t a guy with his experience be better prepared than a true freshman…to come in if Eason went down? And before we say, “BR has had his chance and blown it”, I would say that a year or two and different coaching can make a world of difference in a young person. If Ramsey is as good as we once believed he could be (and since KS convinced him to return, I have to believe there is some solid reasoning behind that) it would absolutely make sense to keep Fromm in a redshirt …with the knowledge that he would, behind Ramsey, be the next man up.
. If the season is going very, very bad (forbid this) regardless, it could be a throw away late season from the qB position POV.
I would LOVE to see BR come in and play like we once knew he could..mobile, accurate and smart. He may just do it well enough to keep Fromm at number 3..not because Fromm can’t do it..I think JF has that confidence that is so important..but because his time is meant for later.
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Whoa. I like Brice a lot. But accurate is not the right term for a guy that has thrown INTs at the rate he has in his limited career.
Glad he came back. Think it helps his future which may not be playing football…mature decision.
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Never know..he could have fixed all of that..it was a head thing..not an arm problem…
Some kids just realize that it’s not “What will be, will be”, but “What I make out of it will be”, Took me a long time to learn that…maybe Brice has. It’s good to know we have him and Fromm in any case..had Brice not come back we may have had to look for another transfer to take up the slack.
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Or maybe Fromm is just that good to be #2, apparently the coaches think so….cause they named him #2, that is a good thing. But I certainly feel much better that Ramsey decided to stay….2 is not enough.
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I am not writing him off, I think if he hasn’t earned the opportunity to start in 5 years at UGA, he isn’t likely to be the best available option if we need someone besides Eason to lead this team. It isn’t like we haven’t needed competent QB play the last two years and he couldn’t make the grade according to several coaches. And for what purpose do we play him? He is gone next year regardless, getting someone a chance to develop to help down the road is a smarter move than pouring more experience into Ramsey. I don’t know that either backup option will be needed, but if it is I prefer the best available…and I don’ think it is Brice Ramsey at this point.
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A few years back it seemed like good-to-great HS QBs were hard to come by. Watson and a caste of nobodies. With Fromm, Mills, Fields, Lawrence, etc. it appears the pickings aren’t so slim lately. So I say play Fromm if we get a decent lead.
But Chaney doesn’t have a rep for putting up a lot of points, so I doubt we’ll see backups unless there’s a catastrophe.
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No, no, NO. Do not blow that kid’s senior season on a few mop-up plays when he’s a true freshman. Redshirt Fromm. Play Brice as the backup. If Eason is as good as he appears to be Eason will be gone after his junior season and we’ll have Fromm as the starter for 3 years plus as a backup Eason’s junior year.
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Isn’t it just like Georgia fans to throw out Eason as entrenched starter for Fromm as a true freshmen who has never played a real college snap (sorry, troll, G-Day doesn’t count) and then discount the value of Fromm’s eligibility as a freshman because of Justin Fields (who may or may not ever sign at UGA)?
I see both sides of the Fromm argument. I see you need to have a back-up who can be trusted to run the team if needed for an extended period. I also see that a 5th year senior or 4th year junior Fromm is going to be a hell of a lot better QB than true freshman Fromm. I lean toward redshirting unless Eason is injured for an extended period or proves to be ineffective. If we only need a QB for mop-up duty, we have others who can do that, and Fromm needs to sit back and learn.
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Don’t think anyone is throwing Eason out. And Fields has nothing to do with UGA in 2017, and perhaps never. This is about needing someone in the 2nd quarter of the Florida game because of a shot to Eason’s ankle or knee, or a cheap shot to his head that causes him to be woozy for a week or so. UGA could well be in position to win the East at that point and have 2+ conference games left to play. I don’t want our backup to get his very first snaps in JAX. A couple of dozen plays, or more in live actions wouldn’t be great, but it would be better than “grab your helmet kid” for your first action.
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Mac, you must not have been reading here the absolute dumping on Eason by some commenters here. You’ve been consistent … prepare Fromm in case he’s needed by playing him early. I can respect that. I lean toward a plan to redshirt because I believe he will be a better player for us 2 or 4 years down the line than as a true freshman. The recruiting über alles crowd seems to think Fromm is going to be passed by Fields, so play him now. That’s just foolish speculation.
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Including Fields in the decision at all is definitely foolish, this is a 2017 issue, period. I don’t think anyone is dumping on Eason, there is just doubt that we should accept that all our needs will be met by one individual who had development needs at the end of last season. Let’s compete, play the best we have, and bring someone in if he falls short. The whole red shirting thing is an insult, our coaches have said this has been a competition and both have strength areas. From what I know, or have heard, Eason should start and I hope he nails it. If he doesn’t perform better, I would like to see what the other guy has under the hood. But I want both of them to be ready to play, not shelve one for some idealistic need for class separation.
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Whether to redshirt or not to redshirt the guy who by all accounts is at least the second best QB on your roster is by definition, not just a 2017 issue, period. …that’s why discussion of who may be coming in (whether it is Fields or someone else) in the 2018/19 class, Eason’s pro potential, etc. are all 100% relevant to that discussion.
But I’m with you…if the kid is the 2nd best QB on the team, he should be the back up and play as many snaps as possible in the event Eason goes down with injury or stinks it up…because the goal is to win as many games as possible in 2017.
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Absolutely.
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You don’t decide to redshirt a guy on August 28. If he’s needed on October 28 or January 1 to help this team win, you burn the redshirt. I would not have a set time to insert Fromm into any game this year unless Eason is hurt for an extended period of a game or he’s ineffective in a game that remains in doubt. For instance, I would not have a set time (say first possession of the 2nd quarter) to put Fromm in the game. I would not want him to take snaps in mop-up duty where he is turning around to give the ball to a walk-on running back in a blowout. I would not put him in the game if Eason had to come out because his helmet came off or he was out for a series. If the staff has decided not to redshirt him, hopefully, he gets put in the game in the 3rd quarter on Saturday when we’re up big after Eason has had an excellent game.
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I am certainly not proposing a set series proposition for inserting him at all. And I agree, handing off in garbage time accomplishes nothing. I feel when you put your second unit in, they should run the offense just as they do in practice, only exception is if they are in the position with a hapless opponent down 50 points or more (when do we ever get into that position? And by then, your second unit should have already have been in, and pulled….empty the bench. We aren’t that far apart, I just don’t like a pre-planned RS for your 2nd best QB, and I don’t like assuming we only need one guy at a key position when we haven’t taken a snap yet.
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What I want to see in 2017 is the UGA offense in the second half of the last bowl game. A heavy dose of shotgun/pistol, with the backs running to daylight and Eason taking off when he had an alley. And, if Chaney actually learned something and that is what happens, sooner or later, Eason is going to get rocked and look like Matt Stafford after the Kentucky game his freshman year.
When that happens, I want Fromm to have played as many series as possible whilst the outcome of the game is still in doubt and be ready to take over. So I am in favor of playing him early and often, and not just in mop-up duty.
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