Playing amateurism’s greatest hits

If you are an unabashed amateurism romantic, then this opinion piece in the New York Times should be right up your alley.  Me, I love it, too, because it recycles every tired argument defending the status quo and shows how empty the NCAA’s position is.  Let’s break that down a little.

Here’s his first point.

Paying student-athletes might sound like a fairer way to treat students who generate so much money and attention for their colleges (not to mention the television networks that broadcast their games). But paying athletes would distort the economics of college sports in a way that would hurt the broader community of student-athletes, universities, fans and alumni. A handful of big sports programs would pay top dollar for a select few athletes, while almost every other college would get caught up in a bidding war it couldn’t afford.

Two things there.  First, he doesn’t bother to rebut the argument in his first sentence.  Instead he raises the concern about haves vs. have nots… as if that doesn’t already exist.  The difference under amateurism is that the big programs’ money goes into a facilities arms race and staff salaries instead of player compensation.

Next comes the “everybody’s going broke” pitch.

The 30 largest universities in the country each routinely generate annual revenues exceeding $100 million from sports, but according to the National Collegiate Athletic Association, most of those revenues are spent covering operating expenses for the school’s athletic programs and paying tuition for their student-athletes. The majority of Division I colleges in the N.C.A.A. operate at a loss. In fact, among the roughly 350 athletic departments in the N.C.A.A.’s Division I, only about 24 schools have generated more revenue than expenses in recent years. The nation’s top five conferences made over $6 billion in 2015, billions more than all other schools combined, according to an ESPN analysis of N.C.A.A. data.

For the have-not universities, however, to continue operating means relying on millions of dollars in debt, funding from their main campus and student fees. Even with that help, some of the major athletic departments are struggling. A recent N.C.A.A. study determined that only about 20 of the 1,000 or so college sports programs in the nation were profitable. What is going to happen when the competition to offer students money is supercharged?

Gosh, maybe schools will have to budget more sensibly.  Maybe they won’t pour funds into unneeded facilities and bloated staff salaries.  Maybe we’ll find out that the NCAA cooks the books when it poor mouths the finances of athletic departments.  Maybe we’ll understand why schools still push to move their football programs into D-1.

And maybe we’ll finally recognize that there are plenty of schools without revenue generating sports programs that still manage to field athletic teams.

Next is my favorite argument.

… At the moment, thanks in part to the pressure exerted by a 2015 ruling by Judge Wilken, top N.C.A.A. athletes can receive scholarships totaling tens of thousands of dollars for tuition, room, board and stipends, as well as cost-of-attendance compensation. But the association still sets a ceiling on those benefits, and a group of Division I basketball and football players is awaiting Judge Wilken’s ruling on whether that ceiling should effectively be lifted.

If the plaintiffs in this case are successful, the arms race for top athletes may have no limit. The top 25 or so schools will pay because they can afford to. The remaining 325 or so will be forced to make a decision: not pay their athletes (and risk losing top talent to schools that do) or find a way to pay.

There’s a ton to unpack there.  To begin with, you’ve got the admission that the ruling in the first antitrust case benefited student-athletes.  Second, he’s misrepresented the relief that Wilken has been asked to grant — the NCAA would not be allowed to impose a ceiling, but nothing would stop the individual conferences from doing so.  That’s what a more competitive market would look like.  Third, he again ignores the reality of the existing arms race.

The most important take away, though, is the unspoken admission that if player compensation were more market-based instead of imposed from above, student-athletes playing football and basketball would receive more compensation.  That is the exact point those who, like the author (“For those who think that a free education is insufficient as compensation for playing sports, there are other options…”), argue those kids are already compensated under the current regime glide by.  Nobody’s arguing that isn’t the case; the accurate depiction of the argument is that to the extent players are receiving less than they would in a more open market setting, they are being exploited.

He’s not finished.

Similar problems would arise in the case of so-called third-party payments, in which student-athletes could be paid for things like endorsements. Major brands like Nike would pay top football and basketball talent at the biggest schools, while student-athletes in other sports or at smaller programs would be ignored. Currently, corporate funds go to athletic departments and are generally distributed among all sports; with third-party payments, those funds could instead mostly go directly to a few student-athletes, starving the rest.

“Major brands like Nike would pay top football and basketball talent at the biggest schools…” .  As if that isn’t already happening under the table.  I guess that’s okay as long as we don’t know about it.

Though let’s not say he doesn’t have a heart when all is said and done.  I mean, this is mighty big of him.

I am not opposed to young athletes who decide they would prefer to be paid cash to play sports.

The people suing the NCAA agree with you, man.

And so we come to the heartfelt conclusion.

Millions of student-athletes devote their sweat, blood and tears to sports. Some play football and basketball; others swim, run cross-country, play soccer or compete as gymnasts. Only a fraction of them generate money for their schools. We must ensure that the N.C.A.A. is able to preserve its commitment to all of them.

Emo, for the win.  The only thing is, nobody can explain why Greg McGarity deserves to be paid more than Todd Gurley.  Other than, of course, simple aesthetics.  And I’m fine with that, believe it or not.  Just don’t bother trying to dress it up or argue it’s the players generating the lion’s share of the revenue who alone need to make the sacrifice.

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  1. Derek

    I’m all in favor of anyone who doesn’t think the colleges offer a good deal signing with an agent, filing a lawsuit against the pro league for eligibility, and skipping the whole thing and going to Canada or Europe. It’s only fair.

    If Leveon Bell can sit out until the money is right, can’t anyone?

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    • filing a lawsuit against the pro league for eligibility

      That’s already been tried and rejected.

      Why is the NCAA sacrosanct? Because you’re a romantic.

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      • Derek

        Nothing to do with romance. I would like the college model to survive tho. It won’t if we go down the road to direct compensation.

        Like I suggested, no one is being forced onto a college campus. If you don’t find the deal attractive, trailblaze a new path.

        Plenty of guys have decided that the compensation schedule for a bowl game is inadequate and have sat out. Which is completely fine with me. I’m simply suggesting that they all have every right to move that time table up as they so choose.

        The moment it isn’t economically advantageous to participate, quit. Lattimore shouldn’t have played his third year. Gurley should have made his 4 game suspension permanent and skipped that acl rehab.

        Tiger Woods didn’t need to go to Stanford for 3 years. But he did. Why?

        I’d suggest that the proponents of this profit vs compensation argument take their bitch to Apple and discuss the living conditions of their Chinese employees vs. the company’s overall profitability.

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        • Nothing to do with romance. I would like the college model to survive tho. It won’t if we go down the road to direct compensation.

          It’s surviving quite nicely on the D-III level.

          If an industry pulling in billions can’t make it without rigging the market, maybe it doesn’t deserve to.

          By the way, you’re not a romantic, but you’d like the current version of the college model to survive? I don’t think that word means what you think it means. 😉

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          • Derek

            I guess to me the idea of “romance” suggests some degree of willful blindness. I’m not blind to the realities here. I think the proponents of making revenue sports on college campuses a professional league are.

            There is no model of professionalism that would work in that setting without burning the whole thing down unnecessarily.

            I agree that there are inequities. They are present in almost everything. But they aren’t so great that the college model needs to be destroyed to suit the needs of a very few elite athletes.

            And every possible victim of those inequities has other options. Some guys should sit after maximizing their positions. No reason for a guy like Clowney to go through the motions in year 3. Some enterprising agent would have been happy to put him up and train him until the next years draft.

            If a guy is in that position before he steps foot on campus, go for it. If he can do it after 1 season, do that.

            No one is making these guys put on a Clemson helmet. No one. If the economics don’t benefit you, don’t put it on.

            If your motivations transcend economics, then that’s fine too. It’s a free country.

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            • Amateurism romance itself isn’t about wilful blindness. It’s pretending there’s a logical, factual basis to amateurism that trumps all opposing arguments — and ignoring the NCAA’s cynical willingness to exploit the romance — that’s blind.

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              • Derek

                As to the first point, I’d like someone to game out their professionalism theory. It will collapse pretty quickly. There is no professional sports league that works anything like college sports. Whether it’s agents, strikes, player movement, cuts, contract negotiations, contract renegotiations, protecting the interests of the bad teams for the greater good through the player selection process and easier schedules, you just cannot present a professional model that won’t either kill it or bastardize college sports into something unrecognizable. And why? Because Todd Gurley didn’t make his money soon enough? Sorry, but I’m unmoved.

                As to the second, there is no doubt that in terms of just taking care of their charges the ncaa is a bunch of greedy bastards. But who isn’t? Inasmuch as anyone wants to force the money downwards in terms of ensuring player comfort, I’m all for that. My line is at “employment.” I have no problem with maximizing the benefits of being a college athlete. At all. We know the money is available for that.

                The risk of professionalism though is that the money will be spent in the most talented and the regular players will get totally fucked. You won’t see career backups finishing their education on scholarship. You won’t see injured players finishing up their education on scholarship. The market is great, right until it’s as harsh as a motherfucker.

                The life of a the average NFL player is the Hobbesian state of nature: nasty, brutish and short. The great riches fall to a very exclusive few. A great portion end up penniless, limping and concussed.

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                • My line is at “employment.”

                  Your line has already been crossed and with a vengeance.

                  You try to pretend that the current model softens the blow a more unfettered market would deliver. Yet there are plenty of sports right now, like baseball, where programs are forced to dole out fractional scholarships, even at places that could easily afford to provide better support. There is no insurance provided to players once they leave college. There is no scholarship offered to players once they leave.

                  What gestures the schools have made in the players’ direction over the past few years have come in the face of legal threats and public pressure. So spare me your worries about a Hobbesian state of nature.

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                • Derek

                  Are you suggesting that professionalism would lead to more or less scholarships for track, gymnastics, equestrian sports, soccer etc???

                  I think there will be far less athletic scholarships in a pro model in every sport.

                  In fact the 85 scholarship limit would be theoretical limit that would become unaffordable.

                  How many stars have to be paid on campus while otherwise qualified athletes pay their own way?

                  So far as I know the UGA cross country team wasn’t formed to turn a profit, but to provide an opportunity to compete, represent the university and, if good enough, go to school at a discount.

                  But it’s very fair to fuck the shit out of them right?

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                • Are you suggesting that professionalism would lead to more or less scholarships for track, gymnastics, equestrian sports, soccer etc???

                  No suggestion either way. It depends on the choices each school’s administration makes, doesn’t it?

                  As far as your final rhetorical point goes, why is it the financial responsibility of the starting quarterback to make sure the women on the track team have scholarships?

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                • Derek

                  If he don’t like the model, don’t show up. It’s a free country. College sports were not designed to make a profit. That they are is happenstance and based on an invention that did not exist at the time of their formation: tv.

                  I’m for the colleges doing right by ALL of their athletes with that windfall or largesse.

                  What I can’t fathom is concentrating that wealth into the very kids who are most likely to make bank in the near future because we’ve decided the schools have too much money.

                  There is a difference between:

                  They’ve got money so let’s do right by all these kids and

                  They’ve got money so let’s make sure the most marketable wet their beaks pending their pro eligibility.

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                • Repeating the same argument over and over again doesn’t make it more factual. Look, I understand where you’re coming from. Just leave it at “I don’t like players getting paid”.

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                • Derek

                  “a salary.”

                  Making a philosophical argument without testing it isn’t persuasive.

                  Explain to the readership around here HOW a professionalism model would function and see if it maintains any logical or popular support.

                  I’m sure that Karl Marx anticipated his theory would result in something better than what we got in practice. Locke, on the other hand, has held up pretty well under scrutiny.

                  I’m guessing that if some insightful critic had warned Marx of the Soviet, the North Korean, the Venezuelan or the Cuban experiment he might have made some adjustments to the model before it was unleashed upon the world. Or shit canned the idea entirely.

                  Right or wrong, pro sports in college is just not a workable idea. Every pro league has guard rails. Those guard rails would make the sport unrecognizable. If they weren’t put in place it would spin itself into bankruptcy. But I’ll admit this:

                  But seriously: it’s the fall of 2005 and Matt Stafford is eligible to sign a contract with any university he chooses, go!

                  Explain to us the wisdom of that free market dynamic. Avoiding it by saying: “ah, they’ll just have to figure it out” simply proves the point.

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                • CB

                  Yeah Senator, paying athletes is unprecedented. Where would we even look for guidance outside of the NFL, NHL, NBA, G League, Premier League, MLS, Bundasliga, MLB, A ball, AA ball, AAA ball, rookie ball? I mean yeah that’s a lot but they’ve only been doing it for a combined hundreds of years? How do we know if it will work the exact same fcking way in college with the exact same fcking sport as the NFL? You got GPA’s and taxes man, no way it can work.

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                • Derek

                  CB wants a CBA and a draft?

                  The fans will love it i tells ya!

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                • CB

                  If you’re arguing that a pro model isn’t possible without our a draft I’ll point you to any major industry that competes for talent with salary.

                  If you’re saying the NCAA isn’t competent enough to pull it off then you might have a point, but you seem confident enough in the current bs system.

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            • CB

              Clowney’s scholarship – Clowney’s economic benefit to USCe = millions

              In that same vein

              Tebow’s scholarship – Tebow’s economic benefit to UF = probably more than Clowney’s to SC

              One of these guys had NFL tools at 18, one of them barely ever had them at all, both were stars in college and were exploited financially.

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              • Derek

                Who stopped them from leaving?

                Tebow has a brand because of his time at UF not the other way around. If Tebow has skipped college because he was underpaid, nobody would know who the fuck he is.

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                • CB

                  That only works if you’re making the case that Tebow couldn’t have gained the same brand at any other major program.

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                • Derek

                  That also wouldn’t have paid him salary.

                  I’d betting that there are about 110 schools he could have picked where he would have toiled in greater anonymity than in Gainesville, FL.

                  Don’t you think one of the reasons these kids decide where to go is based on where they’ll be seen on national TV the most?

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                • CB

                  If it is about television exposure, then Tebow was an idiot to pick Florida in 2005. Not even the most recognizable program in the state at the time.

                  I see no argument to be made that Florida gave Tebow exposure, it’s the other way around. I knew who Tebow was well before he got to Florida. He was playing games on ESPN when he was in high school.

                  Yeah, the other schools wouldn’t have paid him (legally), but that’s because they aren’t allowed to. Remove the restrictions and he would be paid, or maybe he wouldn’t. Either way why do you care?

                  Many of these kids are already getting paid under the table and the system is still working, how could that possibly be? Doesn’t player payment bring the whole thing down?

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                • CB

                  The whole reason I made that point was to counter the idea that all of these guys are destined for NFL greatness. There are plenty of college stars who never make it in the NFL,

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                • Derek

                  Exactly. So only admit kids that can actually take advantage of the education they are there to receive.

                  Don’t want a education?

                  Don’t want to risk injury?

                  Not happy with the compensation structure?

                  Then fuck off.

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                • CB

                  Or people who think like you could fuck off to Berry College to watch their D-III program, and the rest of us will continue to enjoy watching players with actual talent.

                  https://www.berryvikings.com/information/Tickets

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                • Derek

                  So you like the NFL more I see?

                  Not seeing a talent bleed at the CFP level so far.

                  I would note that the popularity of sports didn’t seemed to be influenced substantially by the absence of the best talent pool available. Pre-1947 MLB did ok. The NFL did ok before Marion Motley. Pre-Civil Rughts Act college ball did ok too.

                  But I’m sure Birmingham was overrun with Michigan State fans in 1966 because they had bubba smith and all.

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                • CB

                  Yes I prefer the NFL to all D-III football and so do you which is why you can name multiple NFL stars and zero D-III players.

                  The difference between all of your examples and 2019 is that they didn’t know what they were missing in the past, but once they figured it out it was all over.

                  In other words they don’t really correlate at all.

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                • Derek

                  The comparison wasn’t to D3.

                  Would you pay more to see UGA play ND in September or New England play LA for a SB title?

                  Be honest. You know it ain’t close because the market hasn’t a damn thing to do with the quality of the players.

                  I’d pay more to see UGA play anyone live than to watch Brady throw to Gronk. Their quality as players is completely fucking meaningless to most actors in the market. All we want to know is: is it fair? Does my team have the same opportunity to win as my opponents. That’s it.

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                • CB

                  It’s not what you or I would pay or prefer. The question is what does the market value? Yeah I know a lot more about Georgia football than any other team on any level, but the NFL makes money.

                  I’m starting to feel like you’re from Mars or something.

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                • Derek

                  I’m from Athens fucking Georgia!

                  Or at least that’s where I had the time of my life.

                  Btw: how do those all star games grab you? I’m guessing you find them pretty compelling.

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                • CB

                  If you were an economics major please don’t tell anyone because that would hurt all Georgia grads.

                  All star games don’t mean anything. You’re all over the place man. You get back into one corner and jump to another completely irrelevant talking point.

                  If you want a D-III model that’s fine, but nobody else does and it won’t ever happen so scroll up and click that link to Berry Football.

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              • Tony Barnfart

                I could just as easily argue that Tim Tebow is a no talent ass clown (from a playing standpoint) that has parlayed “i played for Florida” into a lucrative career.

                Florida doesn’t owe him shit, he should be grateful for the brand he got to ride for 4 years.

                Tell me, how valuable are Murray and Mettenberger in the Alliance league ? So valuable that all those superstars are making 75k and the league has already required a substantial 2nd round capital infusion.

                But it’s the back of the jerseys i keep hearing.

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                • CB

                  When Tebow arrived at Florida that hadn’t won anything in a decade. He could have run that same offense at Texas, Ohio State or USC and been just as big, maybe bigger at a place like Florida State or Miami that had won titles more recently.

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                • Derek

                  You’re right. SEC titles are meaningless.

                  And had he gone to those higher profile programs he’d have been worth less to be sure.

                  Sound economics. Under your system, the best programs pay less. It will work out exactly like that.

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                • CB

                  Are you arguing that SEC titles are more impressive than national titles? That’s not even true in 2019 and the SEC is much more respected now than it was in 2005.

                  “And had he gone to those higher profile programs he’d have been worth less to be sure.

                  Sound economics. Under your system, the best programs pay less. It will work out exactly like that.”

                  None of this makes any sense. Please elaborate.

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                • Derek

                  Seriously? If the school makes the man rather than other way around, why would Alabama pay as much as say Rutgers?

                  In other words, don’t the economics say: the no. 1 recruit should tell the have nots: sign me to the big bucks and suddenly you’re relevant? While Alabama would say: we’ll be big with or with out you. No way we’re matching what some nobody is willing to fork out trying to be as big as we are already?

                  The problem is that it wouldn’t be about actual economics because some schools would have much deeper pockets.

                  The concentration of talent at the best schools is already an issue. Under the professional model it would only get worse. However, T Boone and Mr. Knight could buy as many titles as they wanted to.

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                • CB

                  The man makes the school that’s my point. Florida was part middling until Tebow showed up and won to championships.

                  I’m not going to try to break down your wonderland scenario because it has no basis in economics or reality. Bama would still get the best players because they have more money and would pay them thusly, now if Troy wanted to take out a second mortgage to sign the #1 recruit that’s fine, but the rest of the team will be walk ons and life will carry on as usual. Except for the #1 recruit gets what he deserves financially either way.

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                • Derek

                  Can we let parents charge high schools for their kids athletic services?

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                • CB

                  To high schools have billion dollar tv deals?

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                • Derek

                  I’ve only saw one high school game because of a player: Garrison hearst beat Bowden for the Class A state title in December 1989 in Lincolnton, GA. Shouldn’t he have gotten a cut of the gate? The place was standing room only. Because of Doobie!

                  Of course if he was going anywhere but UGA I wouldn’t have bothered.

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                • CB

                  Wouldn’t bother me or effect my life at all if high school players got a few hundred bucks here and there.

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                • CB

                  Please don’t make me argue how great of a college player Tim Tebow was. It’s a really really really easy argument to make, I just really really really don’t want to do it.

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        • Tiger elected to go to college rather than straight to the PGA Tour because he wanted to win 3 U.S. Amateurs to start his assault on Nicklaus’s records. He only attended Stanford for 2 years. He won the Amateur after his HS senior year and the 2 following. He also wanted to win an NCAA individual championship as Jack did.

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        • CB

          Many top athletes are already directly compensated under the table so why hasn’t it fallen apart yet?

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  2. Tony Barnfart

    Cue the mental gymnastics and snark, but the Alliance of American football is murdering the Its-the-Back-of-the-Jersey argument.

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  3. DawgPhan

    I wish they would come up with better arguments for not paying the players. Right now it is just the same tired dumb arguments about their feelings rehashed anytime some moron with an internet connection thinks they have some novel thoughts on player compensation.

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  4. saildawg

    Best rebuttal I have seen about paying players would be unfair to the schools that can’t afford to thus decreasing competition is from deadspin

    https://deadspin.com/paying-coaches-and-athletic-administrators-is-ruining-c-1832880666

    “Paying [coaches and administrators] might sound like a [fair] way to treat [the employees who recruit the athletes] who generate so much money and attention for their colleges (not to mention the television networks that broadcast their games). But paying [coaches and administrators] [distorts] the economics of college sports in a way that [hurts] the broader community of student-athletes, universities, fans and alumni. A handful of big sports programs [already do] pay top dollar for a select few [coaches and administrators who recruit the athletes who make the programs successful], while almost every other college [already doesn’t] get caught up in a bidding war it couldn’t afford.

    My proposal, under which these folks would be forced to enroll in their universities’ continuing education programs and be reclassified as unpaid “student–head coaches” or “student–athletic directors,” would have the added bonus of preserving the purity of what, I’m reliably informed, was never meant to be about financial gain. And the NCAA’s executives can serve in strictly volunteer positions. Let’s make it about the love of the sport again. “

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  5. Russ

    I’m all for the students getting more benefits from TV money. But it should go to all students. Not in equal amounts, but at a school like UGA or Bama or Texas, no student should have to pay an athletic fee or a student activity fee. Beyond that, let the stars profit off their names.

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  6. Senator, what’s your plan? Have you ever spelled it out, specifically?

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    • I don’t have a plan. If Alston goes in the players’ favor and is ultimately upheld, then the conferences would be free to compete with each other on player compensation. Maybe the SEC has a salary cap. Maybe the ACC doesn’t. Maybe the Pac-12 doesn’t allow schools to pay players directly any more than they currently do, but allows unlimited compensation for third-party endorsements. Maybe the NCAA goes down the NFL route and lets college players unionize in order to negotiate a CBA capping compensation.

      As long as the players wind up with something that more readily approaches what you and I have in the real world, I’m good.

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      • chopdawg

        In this landscape, is college football still going to be more entertaining than its professional equivalent?

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        • If you earnestly believe that what separates the two from an entertainment standpoint is player compensation, then, no. At this point, though, the schools’ nonstop moneygrubbing over the past two decades kind of makes that an irrelevant consideration on my part.

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          • For me, what separates the two from an entertainment standpoint is the romantic, probably unfounded, belief that the players who play football for UGA care for the school in the same way I do, & that’s why they want to represent UGA on the football field instead of go wherever they can get paid the most money.

            That said, I have no problem with Jake Fromm and the rest of the football team getting a cut out of every Jake Fromm jersey that’s sold. I have no problem with Zion Williamson and the rest of the Duke basketball team getting a cut from Nike, if Nike wants Zion to wear its shoes. But–even though I’m a big minor-league baseball fan–I don’t want the SEC to turn into the South Atlantic League, the Big 10 to turn into the Midwest League; and I think this would happen under a scenario like you describe above.

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            • Totally get where you’re coming from on this.

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            • The romantic in me still believes the same thing. These guys ply their trade for the front of the jersey and a free educational opportunity many would typically not qualify for. If the University of Georgia stopped playing football, I would no longer be a college football fan.

              The realist in me realizes those who do wear the Red & Black should be able to profit from their name & likeness and not be subject to the rules of a labor price-fixing cartel. In a perfect world, the pro leagues would solve this by allowing those who don’t want to attend college to be eligible for their drafts, but it still doesn’t change the fact that the S-A looks a whole lot more like employee than student.

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  7. He even made my favorite argument – that if players could be paid above what they are already paid, only a handful of schools would get the best players.

    What will we do once schools like Alabama, Georgia, Texas, USC, and Ohio State can offer top dollar?!?!?! They’re gonna get all the best players! Totally different than the current environment, amirite?

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  8. CLT Dawg

    Heard a CFO for an MLB team say once (back around 1985) that “he could turn a $10MM profit into a $4MM loss in about 2 minutes”. They have all been doing it for years, all in the guise of “we can’t afford to pay them anything other than what they already get”.

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  9. CB

    “The top 25 or so schools will pay because they can afford to. The remaining 325 or so will be forced to make a decision: not pay their athletes (and risk losing top talent to schools that do) or find a way to pay.”

    This is an exceptionally dumb point. If all 25 of those top schools pay all 25 (or so) of their signees then that still leaves thousands of athletes for the remaining have nots to sign. Unless the argument is that these kids are either going to get paid or not play, but we already no that isn’t the case because they wouldn’t be playing now.

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  10. Cojones

    Just to continue the discourse: Why not pay all sports players for every year they complete and the money could be claimed after they leave? Why not allow advertisers to make a deal to pay players for use of their names and also pay our U for the player wearing our insignia? Why not insure all players with a policy that would pay medical expenses and/or pay for career-ending (God forbid) injuries that any might incur during their career?

    The money at school career end would have all players competing to play or make the team and stay as long as possible without entering the player-wide door of transfer. Advertiser money aids the player and the school. Insurance policies can be tailored such that athletes give their all while at the school and continue for bowl/playoff games. Simplistic – yes, but details can be hammered out. Yep, it takes money from the glitzy entertainment toy centers we all compete in building to attract those teenagers who would sign for such reasons, it assures the players and their families may get something besides an education if they aren’t NFL material and it should help the competitiveness for making the team. It also would lower coaching salaries across the board (oh, didn’t I tell you that was one of the places that the money is coming from?), lower AD plus other salaries of administrators/GOBs and others who feed at the trough. That would be kicked uphill to involve the conference setup salaries as well as the parent NCAA salaries.

    Wha…? Just woke up from a drug-induced reverie. Please ignore the unrealistic and naïve words just typed. Sorry.

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    • Why not pay all sports players for every year they complete and the money could be claimed after they leave? Why not allow advertisers to make a deal to pay players for use of their names and also pay our U for the player wearing our insignia? Why not insure all players with a policy that would pay medical expenses and/or pay for career-ending (God forbid) injuries that any might incur during their career?

      Because the schools are unwilling to do so.

      Glad I could take care of that for you. 😉

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  11. Debby Balcer

    The money is going to coaches and ADs and it should be going to the athletes whose bodies pay for playing. College sports allows these kids to mature so they can better handle their money. I don’t find it romantic that we are taking advantage of a system that does not really allow them to grow as athletes unless they go to college. These kids could not afford training camps to develop without college. They do care about their colleges or you would not see them back on campus supporting their team. Gutley, Sony and David all brought a great spotlight to UGA during the Super Bowl coverage. It can be done without spoiling to sport if they try.

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  12. mg4life0331

    I’ve said it before. Tiger made 10 million playing golf once, and 90 million from Nike. There is no reason the schools have to pony up the bill. Just let them get endorsement money.

    If you put that burden on the school, athletes in the end will suffer.

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  13. TN Dawg

    It’s a tough issue.

    I think there are some difficult particulars in the discussion. How could you actually pay a player market value in college?

    For instance Zion Williamson, Cam Reddish and RJ Barrett are probably worth a combined $90 million next year when they are drafted in the first round and sign 4 year deals. What level of compensation could Duke really offer that would justify them risking their $30 million dollar contracts? Risking $30 million is only marginally more justifiable if you pay them $250,000, but it still makes no sense to risk $30 million for $250,000.

    The other question I have is player compensation will work inside the parameters of Title IX. If I give Todd Gurley $1 million bucks based on his market value, will I have to provide a female athlete with $1 million also? I admit, I am not completely versed on exactly how Title IX works, but my understanding is that it involves universities providing equal benefit to female and male atheletes.

    Some insight on Title IX would be greatly appreciated.

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    • With regard to your first question, those kinds of players are likely already being paid under the table. The black market is an indication of market value.

      With regard to your second, third party payments aren’t subject to Title IX. Letting the superstars market their names, likeness and images would pose no administrative headaches for schools in that regard.

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      • TN Dawg

        I think that’s reasonable to allow them to sign endorsement deals.

        If the universities gave them direct compensation, would Title IX dictate that equal money/opportunity be given to female atheletes?

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        • I am no Title IX expert, but I think the standard is equal opportunity, not equal money. (As one example, coaches in the revenue producing sports are paid way more than coaches for women’s sports are.)

          I suppose the concern would be devoting revenues to player compensation might affect the financial support of women’s programs and violate the law in some way.

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