So, this was posted to Twitter, presumably to highlight Bennett’s propensity for rushing his reads and missing open receiving targets…
More interesting to me is the responses it generated from one of the writers at And The Valley Shook.
His premise is that, while Georgia’s offense is being modernized under Monken, it’s not being fully modernized.
My thought is, that did work for LSU in 2019, so I can’t knock him for saying that, but while I think Smart is wedded to opening up the offense, I’m not sure how far he’s willing to go. For one thing, that backfield is loaded.
That being said, throw first may be exactly what the doctor orders against opponents with dynamic offenses. And Kirby’s reputation may actually be a benefit to doing so, as I would expect defenses to continue to load up against the run, because that’s how Georgia’s rolled under Smart. And we shouldn’t forget that in the last four games of 2020, Monken was fine throwing the ball more when challenged to do so by opponents.
What say y’all?
Get The Picture 
Take what the defense gives you. It ain’t rocket science.
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Taking what the defense gives means running more for a Kirby Smart team, because Kirby still has us running into loaded boxes to “impose our will.”
Using the pass to set up the run. It’s been done in football since the time of Don Coryell and Bi Walsh.
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Good grief – more of the same Kirby is a stubborn moron.
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Probably not a Dawg, wants people to know how smart he/she is, wants Kirby’s job, wants approval or wasn’t loved growing up.
Or maybe, all of the above.
Nonetheless, it’s entertaining….
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That’s fucking ENOUGH you asshole. You have finally crossed a fucking like and I am sick and tired of your passive aggressive bullshit, Greg.
Keep my fucking name out of your fucking mouth.
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Give the pseudo-psychoanalysis a rest, Greg.
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Dude, we get it.
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I know. Bottom line, you have to be multiple enough to play against what the defense commits to taking away. That’s pretty much it.
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Exactly.
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You have to throw on early downs when the defense is daring you to throw it. Coaches know if our offense consistently is in front of the chains, you have very little chance to stop it.
You don’t need to throw 50x per game to to beat a quality opponent. You also can’t hope to throw 20x per game against a quality opponent.
I’m betting Monken is telling his guys that our goal is to rush for 200, pass for 300, and score 40+ per game. With our defense (yes, they are going to be good), that will be plenty. The question is whether that offensive output will be enough to put us over the top in a winner-take-all game vs. Alabama.
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Seems to me I made this exact point a few days ago to a great many arguments from many here, including our proprietor.
But some fancy blogger guy makes the argument, and all of a sudden he has a point.
😉
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When you get done patting yourself on the back, you might want to re-read my post.
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Don’t you know that we would have won a natty in 1982 if we just let Lastinger throw it around instead of just handing it off to that one guy?!?!
I mean duh!
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Yes, because football in 1982 = football in 2020.
There is idiocy and then there is this statement.
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The dcs back then knew how to slow down a passing game and never ever stacked the box. So true.
We handed to that one guy over and over because they never saw it coming!
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reductio ad absurdum
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I’m trying to agree with you.
Riding a stud running back never ever works.
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Way to make Corch look like he knows what he’s talking about, Derek. The Lastinger comment might be the single dumbest thing I’ve ever seen you post. (Which is actually a back-handed compliment, in a way, because I think you’re a smart guy.)
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Have you looked up sarcasm?
The point that gets consistently missed is that if a team does something successful certain people decide that it isn’t about the players, their talent, their work ethic its about some coach who decided to tell Joe Burrow: congrats Joe, I’m going to make you great by calling pass plays!
Tom Brady had really awesome ocs right? What have they done with out him. I looked it up. Answer: jack shit.
You can’t make Stetson Bennett Joe Burrow by play calling. You cant make Stetson JT with the same damn coaches.
Whether its Trevor and Co. or Burrow and Co. or Mac and Co., it isn’t about the damn play callers. Its that they could throw it and catch it.
Not throwing it under those circumstances would be like not handing it off to Herschel.
The question isn’t being a couch coordinator questioning guys that make multiple millions of dollars a year dedicating tens of thousands of hours of their lives to their crafts. I’m quite sure there is a lot of self satisfaction in declaring yourself smarter than UGA’s hc.
The question is will JT and Co. hone their crafts so that the coaches say: we can win throwing it and catching it.
We’ll see. If balls aren’t hitting the turf in the spring, someone around here will claim Kirby read his fucking blog comments and want the credit.
Its sad but its true.
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Problem with sarcasm on said “Lastinger” comment is that your entire back catalog offers the same idea without any.
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He’s smart like that…I mean how will you ever know, if there is no patting.
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You just can’t take my name out of your mouth, Greg.
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You are doing this all on your own, deserve the credit…..keep up the good work, livens up the blog.
GO DAWGS!!…..right??
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More like GFY.
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I do not think Monken has ever had the talent that he has to work with at Georgia. He’ll look at everything team they are playing and attack the weakest part of the defense until they figure out how to stop it. If they can’t stop the run – then he’ll run over them. If they lack speed in the secondary – he’s going to throw it right by them. If their Middle Linebackers have trouble covering the tight end – Lord help them, because Georgia is loaded at tight end.
I do not think he or Kirby cares how they do it – they just know they have the horses to do it via air or ground.
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I agree. In the first 6 games Monken was handcuffed at QB. Daniels is a huge upgrade and allows Monken to dial up a passing offense if necessary.
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He was handcuffed and we still managed to score roughly what OSU did the entire game against them. In the first half.
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Looking at Madman Monkens resume says that no matter the talent/skill level, after instituting his scheme (1-2 years) those skill positions put some very respectable numbers…
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I cant believe he is our OC. he was a dream pick for me
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This is exactly the point and it is definitely what happens in the NFL. The idea is not to throw for the sake of throwing it. That’s Mike Leach. The idea is to pick the other guy’s weakness and exploit it.
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Careful picking on Leach. Someone here wants to marry that guy because he is a “genius”.
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As the season went on ’19 LSU passed to open up the run, and as they ran the ball, the defense improved. Spur21 is correct if you’re facing a loaded box take advantage with a pass.
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Its not about the play call. Its about the play execution.
Ogeron didn’t say “lets throw more.” He looked at the passing efficiency numbers in the spring and said “garble garble football garble.” Interpreted in English as “maybe we have something here.”
If Daniels and co. are pitching and catching it at a high rate, they’ll get more chances.
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Was it “garble garble” or “yah yah… geaux tigas”?
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Harold,
I think coach O ripped his shirt off first then started the rant or was that at his first HC job. Great song too.
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Coach O’s shirts come pre ripped these days. He’s getting a little grey.
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I listen to this at least once a year
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Spring…..very important word in this entire conversation.
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Okay, I LOL’d at “garble garble football garble.”
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LSU blogger downgrading Georgia’s chances. Wake me up when something newsy happens, y’all.
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I haven’t been this convinced and concerned since the cannon shot from the East.
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I am certainly not the brightest bulb in the chandelier, but where is the wide open target that was missed in that 5 second clip?
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I was wondering the same thing. I mean there WERE plenty of targets missed last season, just not in that clip.
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There were two. The wideout at the bottom the clip came open and the receiver Bennett chose to throw to was open early, because the corner blitzed. Bennett’s fault that he waited too long to throw.
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Hmmm…you see he took to long and I’m seeing he went too quick. Cook has the LB beat too. Not sure a quick pass there has the WR looking back.
We’ll have to reenact that play at a tailgate sometime.😜
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I agree, I thought he made us his mind to go to the out before seeing the LB blitz so that Cook came open for an easier pass and likely a nice gain.
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Being height challenged I think all he could see was the OL’s big asses.
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Possibility the WR Bennett threw to should have cut that route short once he saw/felt the cb blitzing (musta’ been 3rd down)….
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Expand the video, look at down marker on home (close) side at about the 42 yard line. 2ND Down.
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All three other receivers come open late. The curl was smothered. Not a great example if this play occurred after his collar bone was cracked which it probably is. Hard to blame him for throwing quick in the face of that rush even though he had a clean pocket.
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Did you notice the WR turn the wrong way on the out pattern? What in the hayul was he thinking?
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(I guess on further review, WR was trying to establish position to box out the CB. Nonetheless, he and Bennett were not on the same page re: the depth of the route, unless the pass was terrible, which it may have been.)
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That LB is not sticking with Cook. It is hard to see from this angle but Cook has an easy catch and run with an accurate throw.
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LSU ran the ball 47% of the time in 2019. They were just REALLY good at throwing it. It had nothing to do with going “pass” first.
Every good OC takes what the defense gives them. That’s why the offense moved with JT because defenses finally had to respect the pass. When MSST and Louisville sold out against the run, JT was still able to burn them (significantly against MSST and enough against UC).
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Dude.
First Downs:
Rushing 151
Passing 243
https://lsusports.net/sports/football/stats/2019
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The better you are it, the more a coach is going to want to call it.
I’ve never seen anything from CKS that doesn’t indicate that he wants to do anything but put the ball in his best playmakers hands.
If its Isaiah McKenzie or Nick Chubb or George Pickens he wants his best players with the ball in their hands.
Its not about a philosophy. Its about winning the fucking game.
You don’t have Bennett throw it 65 times because you believe in passing and its 2020. You don’t hand it off to Prather Hudson 36 times because of a philosophy.
The questions are:
Who are your playmakers?
How do you get them the ball so they help you win?
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Glad I’m not the only one who mixes up Cincinnati and Louisville. Been doing it my whole life.
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That’s a dumb take. If being a “modern” offense just means you pass the ball more often than you run it then someone needs to tell this guy there were air raid teams 20 years ago that chucked it way more than his 2019 tigers.
Furthermore, Alabama gets a lot of credit for being modern but they still run the ball a lot and the passing concepts they use have been around for a long time. It’s like people can’t differentiate intentions from results.
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LSU had a great RB too in 2019. Dude is a legit all pro nfl RB.
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Alabama and LSU both threw a ton on standard downs. Because teams had to stop the run first, and that left easy matchups for those WRs.
Leach passes into stacked secondaries because it’s his identity. Alabama rushed 3, dropped 8 with 6 DBs. Leach refused to run against it. Got shut out. Now that’s stubborn.
Will Daniels and Pickens be running option routes against single coverage, depending on how the safety reacts post-snap? That was a staple in what LSU and Alabama did on standard downs. The QB had the option to hand off or pass, with the receiver running a route dependent on coverage leverage. With timing precise enough to get the ball to pass catchers on the move.
That’s a lot of pressure on recognition, route running, and accuracy. But it’s unstoppable if that all comes together.
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It’s a passing game and I think modern football (hyper-modern, even, so the last 5 years) is a pass-first game. I would like to see splits closer to 50/50 on first down. UGA was closer to 60/40 on first down favoring the run, which I don’t like at all.
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Yep. Teams know what’s coming against a Kirby Smart team on first down, and we won’t win a national title until that changes.
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I agree. Smart/Monken/Whoever needs to step up and understand that throwing on first down isn’t risky… it’s smart. Risky is running on first down, frankly.
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run run pass makes me cra cra
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Thats a fairly classic passing tree. Its an improvement over cooley who had people bunched and running into each other. This is a “help your QB” tree also. I wish we would get this look in replays.
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Freakin Coley. I maintain that dude had a terrible case of the yips. Nothing we did on offense made a lick of sense from the SCAR meltdown on.
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This meme has expired.
UGA has a dynamic OC, QB, TE, and WR corps.
The offense is modernized.
Man ball is dead, May it RIP
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Can we not use our loaded backfield by throwing to them more?
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Smart could hire Leach to run the offense and people would still bitch about his Man Ball offense. I don’t care if they run it 100 times a game or throw it all game out of 5 receiver sets as long as they score enough to win.
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^ Agree just win I don’t care about how. If we win a NC setting rushing or passing attempts records does not matter.
I believe Kirby when he says Monken is running the offense his way. Until 2021 has ended assuming no serious injuries to key players we all playing what if. 2020 with SB4 and DM was not what Monken signed up for.
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The passing game has gone post-term, but Monken was hired to induce labor
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I love a great metaphor. This is glorious. Bravo, sir.
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throw the damn ball monken.
Stop the throw Lanning – we were ranked 88th n the country in pass D last year. Alarming stat considering we are losing such an enormous stellar DB group. need a few more stops in the pass game to win shootouts.
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Well we had a pretty damn good offense to close out the year and most of it comes back. That was after having to basically run damage control the first 2/3 of the season. Split hairs all we want about run or pass first and all that but when we had a QB, the ball moved a lot. 2021 should be special.
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Also, our backfield is not insane. It’s insanely deep. We’ve got a whole bunch of rock solid B+ guys who would be clear starters at most schools, but if any one of them emerged as a true stud, the rest would split 5-10 carries a game just so the stud could rest a little, and Cook would still get some 3rd and long looks. None of them would be good enough to still “need” to get them the ball if we had a Chubb/Gurley/Moreno type back on the roster.
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Got ‘em where we want ‘em.
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The jabs at Georgia (by everyone not named Alabama) are so beaten into the ground at this point. I am 100% content with NOT trading positions with any fans from LSU, Auburn, Tennessee, Florida or Texas A&M. And have been for a long time. I suspect they know that too.
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Ya’ know, I’ve heard of the “Run and Shoot.” So THAT’S what makes a passing game pregnant!! Who knew?!?!
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They should basically just turn Kirby’s headset off when we have the ball and tell him to go get some Gatorade.
He’s a horrible clock manager, calls horribly timed fake kicks, and thinks tough guy football is still the way. The only reason to even have him on the sideline on offensive series is if you like to watch him hop and down like an idiot with some guy holding him on a leash.
Just let the intelligent, competent coaches call the game on offense Kirby.
You get back and see if you can improve on your 85th ranked secondary, which was supposed to be your specialty. Grab a whiteboard and a marker, watch a YouTube video or two and see if you can devise a scheme where we can cover a wheel route sooner than after the fourth touchdown is surrendered.
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Ouch.
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Lol. Awesome
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