“See, Aron, you are missing the point.”

The point being that you can’t win picking a fight with the media, that is.


Filed under Georgia Football, Media Punditry/Foibles

82 responses to ““See, Aron, you are missing the point.”

  1. Hogbody Spradlin

    You call that the media?

    • Jerald

      the kid needs to grow up before he is given a place on the staff.

      • Mayor of Dawgtown

        The writer is a douche but in what he says is a little bit of good advice. You cannot win with the media. Anything you say can and will be used against you by them in the court of public opinion. My advice to Aron White, a good player and upstanding athlete, is the same advice I would give to any Bulldog player. Do not talk to the media if you can avoid it and only say the minimum when trapped into having to talk to them.

  2. Will Q

    That’s a classic byline photo. Dude should just use your headline as the caption for that photo on every article he writes.

  3. An open question to anyone who attended UGA in the late ’90s.

    I wrote for the R&B from 1996 to ’99 and was editor-in-chief at the time I graduated. Your honest opinion, please — were we this self-righteous and condescending during that period?

    I don’t remember us as being quite that bad, but obviously I’m not an objective observer, so any perspective y’all could provide would be appreciated.

    • kevin

      I was definitely like this by 2004-5ish.

      When I first arrived around 01 the theme was more “why do we have to spend so much ink on the football team” and it sorta evolved into this acerbic tone over the years.

      • Rum-Dawg Millionaire

        Agreed. It was clear to me during my time there that they had an agenda for the football team. And I was not involved with the athletic department in any way, just a neutral observer. Their laughable idea of “journalism” makes me wonder what they are teaching at Grady college these days.

        • JasonC

          I don’t really remember the tone of the R&B then. However, regarding the J-school. I know that one of the professors was not that big into sports, but I think he felt it was a necessary evil. However, most of the guys did like sports and were interested in covering sports.

          But when you see shows like PTI and all the stuff like that on ESPN, why wouldn’t a young J-pup think that stirring crap up and attacking people is what sports is about instead of focusing on the meat of sports.

    • Rum-Dawg Millionaire

      I don’t know, but I was there from 2006-2009, and it was all of those things that entire time. I stopped reading it completely eventually. The things that rue editor allowed to be published astounded me.

    • Julie

      I was at the paper the late 70’s and early 80’s. Although I found out about it later (from an Ag senior), the staff at the R&B wouldn’t’ have known about the hog hunting episode if they had been served barbecue the next day, much less written an opinion piece about it.

      • 81Dog

        what’s kind of funny about the hog hunting incident back then was that word got around campus about it pretty quickly.

        I remember hearing that they were riding down Milledge in Hugh Nall’s truck with the pig in the back with arrows sticking out of it, and some crazy thing about Nat Hudson cutting the head off the pig, etc etc. Coach Dooley seemed to find a way to punish everyone without throwing them under the proverbial bus. Today, they’d probably all get arrested on felony theft charges and kicked out of school.

        Students, whether football players or not, did a lot of stupid stuff back then, but most of it wasn’t evil or malicious, and somehow the University and the student body managed to survive it all.

        • Mayor of Dawgtown

          You raise a legitimate point 81. There has been a paradigm shift in the last 20 years or so. Nerds who have no fun (and never had any) have gotten control. I will not go into how or why but these fascists get a sexual thrill out of ruining things for everyone else, particularly anyone who wants to have a good time. Somehow they have claimed the moral high ground, too, like what they want will make things safer or more equitable for everyone. But that is total BS. They do what they do because they want to be able to tell other people, particularly other people they secretly feel are superior to them, what to do. So they criminalize harmless pranks and make minor infractions into a big deal. What is really dangerous is when they get into positions of authority or influence. I have to admit that if things were the way when I was in college that they are now, I probably would never have graduated. I would have gotten kicked out for drinking and making a fool out of myself over a girl (or something like that). In my day, if a regular guy (or a jock) got drunk and did something stupid, as long as he did not hurt someone, the cops would see that he got home safely because THEY came up that way themselves. Now the cops try to make as big a deal about it as possible in an effort to get a promotion. Same with the media. No real ex-jocks in the sports department any more–just jock envious geeks. We used to just ignore assholes like this writer but it’s difficult now because they have a forum and the air of importance. I actually thought the other day about contemporaries of mine who today would have gotten kicked off the team at UGA (and maybe out of school, too) for doing the things they did that were at the time accepted as harmless pranks: Mike Cavan (QB of the SEC Champion ’68 team); Jake Scott (All-American). I could go on and on but I’ll stop there.You get the picture.

    • Normaltown Mike

      Stephen Robinson made it his business to piss off every reader he could…but he was really good at doing it. Did you write the article about your brother working at Kangaroo? That was a great story.

    • Leland

      As a R&B reader from ’96 until graduation in ’00, I can’t recall there being many opinion pieces on the football team other than the game week special where writers from opposing schools write a tongue-in-cheek piece on why their school will wax ours and vice versa. What I do recall were plenty of the introspective girl-meets-world type of articles along with a few country boy ‘no-poly-cross-my-back’ confederate t-shirt wearing, ‘I’m loving my legacy not being a hater’ type articles, which were much more entertaining than the ‘which kotex do I use today?’ articles. Seriously though, I don’t recall the self-righteous and condescending tone that I’m reading today, but then again, I was more concerned with wooing coeds and warding off hangovers than critiquing the school paper.

      • Hogbody Spradlin

        Warding off hangovers or working off hangovers?

      • Left to Right

        “What I do recall were plenty of the introspective girl-meets-world type of articles along with a few country boy ‘no-poly-cross-my-back’ confederate t-shirt wearing, ‘I’m loving my legacy not being a hater’ type articles, which were much more entertaining than the ‘which kotex do I use today?’ articles. ”

        That may be the single best sentence I’ve read in the comments section.

      • Brandon

        96′ to 02′— (yeah, that’s six years, I did eventually get my act together though) — I don’t remember much commentary about the football team during that time. The most interesting stuff I remember was the campus police reports: “a pencil was stolen from Myers Hall yesterday…” and the time this gay student got the whole campus in an uproar because someone was supposedly writing nasty messages on his message board and setting fires outside his Oglethorpe Hall dorm room, turned out it was him, got caught red handed. I can still get a chuckle out of that anytime I try. The worst articles back then was the amateurish political commentary. All in all it wasn’t super condescending or self righteous, other than the occasional insane rant against the greek system. Also Josh Massey was damn funny, I still remember that guy was in love with Shania Twain.

    • Go Dawgs!

      I was at UGA from 1998-2002, and no, it didn’t seem nearly this spoiled or condescending. This guy is a douche, plain and simple. This is the third column I’ve read this self-righteous prick write, and each is worse than the last. This guy is an intellectual midget. His premises are so completely flawed that his column’s execution is hopelessly doomed from the start. It’s you, Douche Dillard, who has missed the point. You completely missed what Aron White is trying to say. It is true, Douche, that if the members of UGA’s Theater Department were scrutinized as much as the football program by law enforcement, media, et al, that the number of dope arrests would confound you. Or the English Department. Or any department. I don’t know how Douche thinks UGA football is an embarrassement to the University. The program’s running with many fewer arrests than a couple of years ago. Montez and Mettenberger’s arrests were embarrassing, and both were kicked off the team. The rest of these arrests? NO DIFFERENT… AT ALL… from any other incident listed in the Red and Black’s police blotter. The difference? NOBODY GIVES A SHIT about Kelly McInnocent, freshman from Acworth, who got arrested for presenting a fake ID and underage possession. NOBODY CARES about Blake MacFratguy, junior from Alpharetta, who was arrested for DUI leaving the TKE house. They are printed in a little six-inch column that people ignore when they don’t see names they recognize. But a senior from whereever, who gets arrested for getting drunk and getting in a fight downtown and who happens to be the BACKUP PUNTER on the football team? Somehow that’s big news. Am I embarrassed by that? Hell no. The guys who embarrassed the program have been dismissed. Aron White just asked you to wipe that douchebag smirk off your face and get off the team’s back. He’s right. You missed the point. You’re lucky that the football team isn’t the group of scofflaws that you believe them to be. Otherwise, you’d be getting curb-stomped by a bunch of 300-pound linemen. That’s the point.

      • Leland

        You should post this on the R&B. 5 bucks says the writer sharts himself every time a football players passes him on campus.

      • MT

        At the end of the day, a lot of the policing has changed.

        Now, even 20 years ago a fist fight by a backup punter would probably warrant an arrest… but since 2005-ish (when Lewis Fish/speed-ball extraordinaire OD’d in Russell Hall), the University and ACC PD have stepped up enforcement considerably on public drunkeness and intoxication in general.

        No one puts on the kid gloves anymore with giving kids a pass on being loud, drunk and stumbling around Athens, per Adams from On High.

        Heck, MIP in the dorm rooms now warrants an arrest/booking, when it was always handled in-house by Housing Staff before.

      • The Realist

        There really should be more curb-stompings.

    • Tommy

      I was at UGA from ’93-’97, which was the absolute nadir of Georgia football. And, no, while the R&B’s posture towards the football team wasn’t nearly as dickish. Some of that might’ve been a function of ennui — even counting the ’92 season, Georgia football had been stuck in the SEC’s middle tier for a decade — where’s the fun in picking on such a hapless entity? By contrast, a member of the class of 2010 still remembers SEC championships.

      The larger issue (going beyond the R&B) is that I don’t really recall the “public figure” status being fully conferred upon football players, other than obviously visible guys like Eric Zeier. If a walk-on or a backup showed up in the police blotter, as I recall, no one went to great lengths to elevate that to a separate story and it sure as hell didn’t seem to warrant columns and editorials. Of course, we didn’t have a coach whose religiosity sometimes made him a target.

      Back to the Red & Black, the fraternity system, as it had been known for decades — with incredible hazing, booze and drugs — was really coming under a microscope in the ’90s. Liability insurance and UGA’s Hope-driven move ambitions to rank somewhere other than the party school rankings made any fraternity incident pretty newsworthy, and so it was in frats’ general direction that the R&B directed its flatulence.

      • kevin

        “Georgia football had been stuck in the SEC’s middle tier for a decade”


        Please see Richt’s first 4 years at UGA (all within the last decade)

        • hailtogeorgia

          He was talking about Georgia football in the mid-nineties, not the past decade of Georgia football.

        • kevin

          “HAD”… not has

          It’s even right there in my reply!


        • Tommy

          Uh, true.

          Either you weren’t alive yet, or you have fonder memories of James Jackson than the rest of us. Either way, the years from 1983-1992 were 8-win affairs in which Auburn, Tennessee and Florida took turns using us as their welcome mat to the Sugar Bowl.

          During the decade preceding my freshman year, 1993, Richt was nowhere near Athens.

  4. Sefdawg

    This is my favorite part.

    “This was the part of an argument with your parents where it is better to just stay silent and accept the reprimands for previous actions.”

    Because even when parents are wrong, you have to deal with their consequences. And this is coming from the father of 3 girls. Even when the media is wrong, they get their message out there much easier and more often than you ever will.

    See, Aron, you ARE missing the point. The point is, the media is right, even when they’re wrong.

  5. hailtogeorgia

    The article wouldn’t have been as bad had the writer not been so condescending the entire time. It’s one thing to write a retort (and Aron’s letter certainly left a retort to be desired), but to act as if you’re better than the person the entire time is ridiculous. Doug, I certainly don’t know the answer to your question about the R&B from 96-99, but that was certainly the case from 04-08.

  6. 1992 Dawg

    Looks like some p.o.’d college kid who’s still mad because he didn’t make his high school football team to me. As a former student athlete at UGA, i can tell you we WERE held to a different standard, and the coaching staff reminded us of that. In my opinion, all these issues have gotten worse since the elimination of the athletic dorm. When we lived at McWhorter, you didn’t have these issues because there was a thing called “curfew” and bed check. That was viewed as preferential treatment, and eliminated. When you send 18 year olds to live by themselves, these things unfortunately happen. I am not saying it is acceptable, but i think we had a whole lot less of this type thing when we ate, practiced, and lived as a team.

    • Rum-Dawg Millionaire

      I think most of us realize that you guys were under the microscope far more than the rest of us were. Although the red and black was seeking to change that…. I always had serious issues with the student rag printing the names of students that were arrested downtown. Never happened to me, but IMO that is really messed up.

    • Normaltown Mike

      You DID have the gym dawgs barely dressed walking around the dorms in those days (so I’m told).

    • hailtogeorgia

      I agree that the guy definitely came off as having a chip on his shoulder (maybe the QB stole his date at homecoming), but I don’t really agree about the athletic dorm. First, East Campus Village is practically the athletic dorm. Athletes are given priority over other students regarding housing at East Campus…and on top of that, 18 year olds aren’t living by themselves. All freshmen at UGA are required to live in a dorm their freshman year. Saying that the situation was better when McWhorter was around is just saying that back then, the athletes had baby-sitters and they don’t anymore.

      I understand that college students all make mistakes, and I also understand the higher standard to which athletes are held (especially football players). At the same time, these athletes need to grow up and hold themselves accountable for their actions and not rely on someone to make sure that they’re in bed by a certain time and aren’t out causing trouble. If Aron really wants to make a difference (as I’m sure he does…he seems like a very bright guy), he needs to make it clear among his peers on the football team that this kind of behavior needs to stop. If that involves the team policing themselves and holding each other accountable for their actions, then so be it. It’s going to involve a culture change and an expectation of high responsibility, and it’s going to take leadership by members of the team. It can be done, it’s just a matter of who will do it.

      • Leland

        Not to be an apologist because I’m one of those that opines that if you give a kid a free ride and put him on a pedestal because of his abilities, he should be held to a high standard. Nevertheless, the irony that is not lost on me is the sentiment to integrate the athletes’ housing so as to allow them the same ‘college experience’ as the rest of the student population, minus the policing and curfews of days past and then criticize them for behaving like ‘regular students,’ because, frankly, getting drunk and acting the fool is part of the ‘college experience’ for a lot of students.

        • hailtogeorgia

          I think the integration was more to prevent athletes from having their own dorm, as that was seen as a slight to the general student. While getting drunk and acting the fool is part of the college experience for a lot of students, it can be done without getting arrested (though the acting the fool part makes it harder). The thing that frustrates me the most about this is the backup punter’s arrest. Montez had just been kicked off the team, Mett had been kicked off the team…surely Richt had spoken to the players about the microscope they were under and to be on their best behavior. Then, the BACKUP PUNTER goes out the following tuesday (tuesday?! really?!) and gets in a fight after being at Topper’s, of all places! I mean, come on, man! Sometimes football players get the bad end of the deal (most traffic violations) and sometimes guys are just idiots. The punter falls into the latter category.

          • MT

            Toppers has a Tuesday night special on no cover charges and extra cheap beer…

            When I was in school, we ran into Fred Gibson a few times there on Tuesdays

            • hailtogeorgia

              Yeah, I’m aware of Topper Tuesdays, but that’s no excuse for being out less than a week after a guy got kicked off the team for alcohol related issues. It would have been one thing for him to get a public intox charge or something…but to be fighting in the street after leaving a strip club? I’m sure Richt loved that one.

          • kevin

            MT beat me to it. Toppers has dollar Tuesdays. It’s kinda the premier night to go.

            • hailtogeorgia

              Again, I understand Topper Tuesdays, but that’s not exactly a compelling reason. There’s a reason it’s only a dollar on tuesdays…because no one goes out on tuesdays. If it were a thursday, friday, or saturday…okay fine. But a tuesday? Doesn’t that seem a bit superfluous considering the situation?

              • kevin

                Dollar Tuesdays man. Dollar Tuesdays.

                I don’t know how else to say it.

                Look, it’s not like the whole team was there… just one jackass out of 90. I’m sure those ratios ring true across the student body

                • hailtogeorgia

                  Yes, I’m sure the ratios do ring true, but the difference is that this guy was representative of the already-under-fire football team, and he still couldn’t get it through his thick skull to lay off of dollar tuesdays at Topper’s and fighting in the street. I’m not saying I’ve never been to Topper’s on a tuesday, but good lord…there’s a time to exhibit some maturity and say “You know what? As fun as a random tuesday night sometimes is, judging from the fact that two guys on my team were just kicked off and there’s been a huge media firestorm about our reputation, maybe I should hold off on going to the strip club tonight…even if it is only a dollar.”

    • Ricky McDurden

      My dad was with the team in the 80’s and stayed in McWhorter. His sentiments are exactly the same.

  7. 81Dog

    I think Mark Twain once said “Never pick a fight with a man who buys ink by the barrel.”

    Was Aron’s letter a little bit of a whine? Maybe. Was this self important R&B writer going overboard with his smug, chastizing column? Sure.

    I was an honor graduate of the Grady School in the late 70s, news editorial sequence. This, of course, was the height of the post Woodward and Bernstein era. Perhaps I should have given more thought to selecting my major, but I liked to write. After two journalism classes, I realized that if I had to spend the rest of my working life around the mostly smug, insufferable know-it-alls that I met at the Red and Black, I would probably prefer getting hit by the Russell Hall bus.

    I don’t mean to impugn anyone I never actually met. Doug, in particular, seems like a great guy online. I don’t know what people were like before or after my time, and I didn’t meet everyone who wrote for or worked at the R&B, but most of the people I met were insufferable grandstanders who thought their ability to write on a sixth grade level made them a more evolved life form. This kid sounds like he’d have fit right in with those folks.

  8. “and four warrants a few degrading columns from the media about the Georgia football program….,”

    It must be nice to sit all alone atop Morality Mountain and look down upon the little people.

    This little douche gives ginger’s everywhere a bad name.

  9. Rum-Dawg Millionaire

    Nice to see they’ve disabled commenting on those columns, lest they should receive negative feedback.

    • 81Dog

      why would this kid need comments? If you already know everything, why would you care what anyone else has to say about your matchless insight?

      He’s probably sitting in his cubicle, puffing on a Cohiba and waiting for Time, Newsweek and CNN to start peppering him with job offers.

      • Beantown

        Let me tell you the tale of the Red and Black last year that led to their removal of comments on the website.

        Many believe that the majority of staffers at the Red and Black dislike the Greek system on campus. Maybe because the Red and Black itself is like a little click, or co-ed fraternity of people who only work there to pad their resumes and don’t really care at all about bringing objective news to UGA.

        Sometime last year, the Red and Black published an angry letter from a sorority girl about some issue being discussed at the time. The girl’s letter was filled with spelling and grammar errors, apparently errors she made herself that the paper allowed to be published without being edited. Usually, there would be no problem with this, except for the fact that it seems like the Red and Black usually does edit letters for errors, and this one time they decided to not edit it. This led to some people making angry comments on the R&B website, saying “Why did you leave these errors in, when you usually edit letters?” The R&B responded, “We usually don’t edit letters. We choose to leave errors in them.”

        But then, someone made an anonymous comment on the website, claiming that they work at the Red and Black and they saw the editors laughing at that error-ridden letter, snickering and giggling at it and then deciding to purposefully put it in the paper.

        The comments on the website exploded as people complained about the R&B and its editors. Finally, the editor-in-chief (Carolyn Crist, I believe), wrote a column about the situation. She said that they never did anything wrong with the letter, and that R&B staffers are not allowed to comment on the website. So she was going to make the web comments where you had to put a real name and e-mail address before you could comment, and then comments would be approved by an admin.

        Well, of course that was stupid, because people could just make a fake name that sounded real and put a fake e-mail. And people did. People continued to post angry comments about the R&B and the whole situation.

        THEN it was revealed that the anonymous commenter who originally claimed to be a R&B staffer wasn’t even an R&B worker. It was just someone who knew some people who worked there and wanted to stir up trouble for fun. (Or at least that’s what they said)

        But nevertheless, Crist and the R&B editors decided to remove online commenting completely. Her (their) reasons? Because “professional” news sources don’t allow anonymous commenting anyway, and it just leads to problems (although many huge, respected news sites DO allow comments online). Plus, they desperately need people to send opinion columns and letters, so this way people will be forced to send that stuff in to fill the paper instead of venting online.

        Also, she, in her self-righteous wisdom of a news editor at a crappy college newspaper with few followers, said that anyone who has something to say on a topic should be willing to show their real full name when speaking on it. Because, of course, that’s what free speech means? You have to show your face when you say what you think?

        So they disabled all commenting on their website. In turn, I figure that 99% of their frequent readers stopped reading the paper, because I know many who only read the paper online so they could argue or joke in the comments section.

        The vast majority of people who actually pick up hard copies of the paper only do so for the crossword puzzles. I was one of few people while in college who actually read the paper often (I also read NY Times, AJC, USA Today). Ask most students if they read the R&B. They’ll say no.

        But once again, it’s a case where the “media” thinks they are in charge and they know everything. Except in this case, the “media” are a bunch of college kids whose parents pay for all of their expenses while they go downtown to party and get drunk, then the next morning publish a student newspaper criticizing anyone who does the same. Because they are the “media” and they are in control.

        • 81Dog

          nothing stirs up a journalism major (or in my limited experience, a reporter) like someone who isn’t a “journalist” daring to express an opinion on the fairness of the media, the qualification of anyone in the media to critique others, or the sin of all sins, the quality of a reporting job.

          The worst jounalists are like the worst kind of teachers, or doctors, or lawyers, or whatever. They can question everyone, but no one can question them. Unfortunately, there seemed to be a much higher ratio of smug know-it-alls in J school than in the population at large when I was at UGA.

          I think you did hit one nail right on the head, though. Back in my era, those types were condescendingly dismissive of jocks and frat boys as “lemmings.” Ironically, they were as relentless in dismissing people who didn’t conform to their non-conformist ideal as any of the people they were criticizing. Some things never change.

          • hailtogeorgia

            That’s a pretty broad generalization for journalists everywhere, but it’s spot-on for the Red & Black. They absolutely love sticking it to the greek community, the football team…basically anyone that they think are conformists. I can’t even remember the amount of times I’ve read an article in the Red & Black and wanted to pull my hair out because of all the grammatical errors, subject-verb agreement issues, etc.

            When I was in school (which wasn’t too long ago), I picked up a copy of the R&B for entertainment purposes only: crossword, sudoku, crimewatch, and then laughing at the ridiculous articles. The “Our Take” section is almost always the gem of the publication, as the R&B staff tries to present these sage opinions that are either laughably obvious or unbelievably condescending.

  10. jferg

    Where are these so-called opinion pieces? All I remember about the R&B is:

    1. The Crossword Puzzle

    2. A great comic writer (sometime from 01-03) who told one of the best jokes during “diversity week”. His comic discussed how the greek’s were getting in on diversity that year. On MWF they would wear their The North Face and Tues/Thurs they’d wear Columbia. hahaha

    • Normaltown Mike

      Think his name was Mack Williamson? His recurrent characters were Freddy Freshman and Mullet Mike. He was excellent.

      I think he is the kid that (for Vandy baseball game) made a huge placard by taking a pic of a ‘Dore pitcher from media guide and added a Saddam-esque beret and stache. Kudzu hill was crying with laughter but it (obviously) incensed the Vandy faithful

      • Puffdawg

        I knew Mack in college (friend of a friend) and spent many games on Kudzu Hill with him. That was when we could have a cooler of beer and a bullhorn. Good times those were. What a funny kid he was. I wonder what ever happened to him.

        • hailtogeorgia

          Mack Williams was his name, not Mack Williamson. He did some work for Adult Swim, has done some freelance work…your general resume for a cartoonist. You can check out his website at mackwilliams[dot]com.

  11. Will Trane

    Zaxh Dillard sounds like your typical “A” student …smarter, better than…so let me prove it again. Number 81, well, he is the man here. He was standing up for himself as much as he was standing up for his team, peers, coaches, and the rabid fans who follow every snap of the Dawgs. Young Aaron White had all our respect and understanding from the beginning. He is entitled to his view and opionion. He is on firm ground. There are two sides to a story. Leave it at that Dillard.

    Let the Red and Black publish the bio, background, and etc on nonstudent arrests or incidents. Let’s them go interview those students peers, profs, parents, pastors, post a photo and so on. Well who in the hell cares about them? They are in the 95,000 nameless faces in Sanford Stadium who want to share in the glory, fun, excitement …yeah let me feel the rush of the players. I can’t play, really don’t understand the game, but I’m you expert on the game and the players.

    If I was an athlete at UGA, I would not ever give an interview to anyone in the media. They could call me 81 or my name if they wanted, but my time is more important than spending it on some self absorbed writer who needs to fill a column for a few bucks and a future career.

    The press is full of those “A” student twerps. The ones always looking for social justice and an error free world. One where you can’t make a mistake, grow a little, or have a little fun. You’ve seen and heard those guys in a bar. They always have that look and sound like “don’t get smart with me” [I want to take you down so I can protect and grow my own self interest]. That is your press girly-boys and girls.

    Coach Searels is smart in not allowing his lineman not to talk to the press. In fact more D1 coaches need to put the writers in the “box”. Maybe the AD needs to withhold a few press passes. Why? Well, you know, you know, you writers get a little intoxicated with yourselves and trash our program. That is a little childish to us.

  12. jferg

    The R&B was good for two things (between 00-03):

    1. Crossword puzzle during class

    2. Reading the great comic strip writer (don’t remember his name). His best one that I still remember was a joke on the Greek’s during “diversity week”. He joked that the Greek’s had decided to participate in ‘diversity week’ by agreeing to wear their The North Face on M/W/F and their Columbia on Tues/Thurs. hahaha

  13. Dog in Fla

    Zach don’t take no sh!t from nobody, no how. And with an average SAT score point differential of 334, why should he?

    Although with this one, Zach may have committed emotional treason under the Patriot Act or whatever it’s called now by saying our team is an embarrassment to UGA and Mark:

    “Instead, excuses were inconceivably made, warranting yet another response coming down on a team that has been an embarrassment to the University of Georgia and, surely, its head football coach.”

    In related news, the Department of Fatherland Security Coloring Book Threat Level today for the Red and Black home office is Orange.

    Elsewhere, the Threat Level is:

    • The United States government’s national threat level is Elevated, or Yellow.
    • For all domestic and international flights, the U.S. threat level is High, or Orange. So, as usual, have a nice day.

    On a happier note, did enjoy the Tap Dawg video accompanying Zach’s R&B article and, at the very beginning, but not by the end, wished the flip video cam resolution had been better…

  14. Irishdawg

    “I wrote for the R&B from 1996 to ’99 and was editor-in-chief at the time I graduated. Your honest opinion, please — were we this self-righteous and condescending during that period?”

    Class of ’96 here, and the answer is: yeah, pretty much. Maybe not as gratingly twerpy as this little git, but their was certainly a sense of smug self-satisfaction among R&B writers.

    Athletes are under a greater level of scrutiny on campus; to argue otherwise is disingenuous. I got in a few brawls in my 4 years and none warranted media attention.

  15. Vious

    Very few have a clue what it is like being a football player so it is easy to just put them together and mock them.

    I can’t stand our players for the most part as I saw them drunk and doing idiotic stuff throughout my years at UGA….

    With that said, the Red & Black and other media outlets writing these columns is just as stupid and show how clueless many of them are

  16. PNWDawg

    Ok, so I just read the 3 articles after seeing this headline and I’m thinking this Keiger girl needs a little perspective. Here are a few quotes I like:

    “Just as I work hard to keep a B average for the HOPE scholarship, I should expect the same dedication from athletes.” I myself worked hard to keep that B average for the HOPE. My hard work included multiple bong hits (luckily no arrests there), drinkin’ (only 2 arrests), and combining the 2 previously mentioned activities. My point is maintaining a B average can’t possibly compare to the demands of some of these athletes (White included).

    “the dominance of UGA athletics was a major factor in my college decision.” Do I need to comment here? You mean finding a place where you can maintain B average didn’t factor in your decision for your academic future?

    “But I simply cannot understand why — after being given privilege after privilege after privilege — these athletes still continue to break rules and get themselves in trouble.” I don’t know maybe it’s because they are kids who still have some learning to do. When you go out to eat why do you still touch a hot plate after the server told you not to?

    “Behavior like Mettenberger’s is unforgiveable after the support he receives from the University and football fans as a whole” Mettenberger’s behavior is forgivable. That article she wrote is a bit closer to unforgivable.

    I get really upset when I see our athletes getting press because of issues with the law. But when I look at our team as a whole I don’t see a lot of disrespectful athletes (i.e. not a lot of violent offenders). While I don’t agree with everything White said I think he sounded very reasonable and I’m now a bigger fan of his.

    • Reptillicide

      The REALLY WORST part is that the girl said that Mett’s behavior was “unforgivable,” and yet 99.999% of those familiar with the dismissal have no idea exactly what the behavior that resulted in his dismissal entailed.

      • PNWDawg

        Very true. I myself can’t help but wonder what exactly he did. I guess I should concede it may be “unforgivable” but I doubt it.

        • Mayor of Dawgtown

          The Keiger gal supposedly is majoring in “Magazines.” From her article I surmise her major is actually “Reading Magazines.”

  17. kckd

    I agree with a lot of what Aron said, but I’m tired of hearing about Mett or whoever has only had this one thing he’s done wrong excuse. Some things you can do one time and it should mean kicked off the team and it should be embarrassing to the program, HC and his teammates. There is a difference between drinking underage, driving with a suspended license, etc. and supposedly molesting someone after several times being told to get lost.

  18. Reptillicide


    too bad you’re not making money per comment. You could have taken the rest of the week off.

  19. AthensHomerDawg

    ….i remember when Coach Bobo tangled with a few wanna be tough guys at Allens. It blew over quickly.

    • 81Dog

      you should have been in Athens in the mid-70s when several members of the football team got into an honest to gosh, chair throwing brawl with some members of a “motorcycle enthusiast social club” called The Outlaws at a nightspot called The Other Place.

      Several Outlaws got arrested (I think for assaulting the knuckles of several players with their faces), and all of them got pummeled. It was barely a blip on the radar screen. To be fair, it appeared that the Outlaws started it and the players were just protecting their guy who got hit first. Also, the drinking age was 18 in those days.

    • PNWDawg

      I remember seeing Bobo stumbling drunk at Washington Street Tavern on cruches the week after his leg was broken at Ole Miss. Actually, I remember seeing him drunk quite a bit. I figured Mett probably made his way into Bobo’s heart after his arrest.

  20. shane#1

    The quote from Mark Twain has been used by Coach Knight. He should know! I agree with the realist about curb stompings. Curb stompings and drunken brandishing are the favorite Saturday night activity here in SOWEGA. Except in the fall and winter, when poaching deer with a spotlight amuses the toothless ones.