How good does Georgia’s quarterback need to be this season?

Mark Bradley (I know) calls 2015.

Georgia will go 8-4. I’m always accused of overrating the Bulldogs, and sometimes the accusation holds water. But I have real doubts about this season. Over Mark Richt’s 14 seasons in Athens, teams working with a new quarterback have averaged 3.8 regular-season losses. (Richt’s teams with an incumbent have averaged 2.1.) Most of those new quarterbacks — David Greene, D.J. Shockley, Matthew Stafford and Aaron Murray — were a cut above any on this roster, and coordinator Mike Bobo isn’t around to smooth the kinks. I see Georgia losing to Tennessee, Alabama and Auburn — and to someone else simply because Georgia under Richt always loses a game it shouldn’t. But I do think Georgia will beat Tech.

Say what you will about the rest of it, what I want to focus on is his “cut above” observation about new quarterbacks.  Here’s the passer rating for every quarterback’s first season as a starter under Richt:

A few things to note there.  Shockley is the only one of that bunch to enjoy a trip to Atlanta in his first (and only) starting season.  He had a fine year, but he also benefited from a defense that hadn’t forgotten what VanGorder taught.  Stafford is the only true freshman on that list, and his passer rating reflects that.  Greene’s first season is underrated – his passer rating actually declined over the next two seasons – but that year was Richt’s first and was clearly transitional.

What’s interesting is the jump in Murray’s and Mason’s ratings over their predecessors.  That, in my opinion, reflects a change in philosophy on offense, as Richt and Bobo started putting a higher priority on completion percentage.  Georgia’s starting quarterbacks have been over the 60% threshold every year since 2010 except for Murray’s second.

But here’s the thing – note what most of these guys didn’t have in those seasons.  Most of them didn’t have a dominant running game to take some of the pressure off.  Mason did.  And it’s likely that whoever starts this season will enjoy the same benefit.

Now it’s true we’ve got the wild card of a change in offensive coordinators, so there’s certainly that to take into consideration.  But how much of this is really going to matter as part of Georgia’s success in 2015?  If the approach on offense is to focus on with what’s worked, which is completion percentage and turnover avoidance, is it really that unlikely that we won’t see this year’s starter with a similar rating?

I know pointing in the quarterback’s direction is the obvious way to assess Georgia’s chances this season.  I just have a feeling this season’s success is going to come down to what it usually does in Athens, and that’s a matter of how well the defense plays.

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  1. William

    Defense and the play of the new Center. The Defense may have to stiffen their spines at times to make up for Offensive growing pains. The Center is the conduit through which the offense will flow, IMO. An inexperienced QB won’t necessarily make changes in protection, but a smart Center might. Just saying. He affects the QB and run game.

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  2. doofusdawg

    I think that our defense will be improved again I predicted before the season last year that we would only give up about 21 points per game… a big improvement over 2013. I see us shaving another three points off this years defensive points per game. If we do that then a game manager quarterback will be all we need.

    But I also think Bobo was a very overrated play caller and was bailed out numerous times by the likes of gurley, moreno, stafford, aj, etc,

    This is Shotty’s team and if he has even an ounce of creativity in him then we will be in Atlanta. If not then chubb and the defense will get us ten wins and we will wait on Eason to be the next stafford… hopefully we find another aj as well.

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    • Kevin

      I agree. Alabama has gotten to ATL numerous times with less than stellar QB play, a good running game, and an excellent defense. I believe we have these same pieces in place to get there the next 3 years.

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  3. Macallanlover

    First, thanks for providing the gist of the article without requiring a click to get the point. Secondly, I agree that focusing this much on one position while ignoring the whole of the product is shallow. Everyone knows the QB is a, or the, critical position and has to be given significant weight in analyzing a team but it doesn’t mean you make the total projection on the basis of the QB’s lack of experience. Clearly the starting QB in 2015 will benefit from other parts and pieces (significant RB strength and depth, an experienced OL, and a defense that may be capable of carrying the load for the first time in a decade). The uncertainty about a new OC is fair but seems less significant given the continuity of a successful, offensive minded, head coach ensuring this isn’t a totally rebuilt offensive scheme.

    Is 8-4 possible? Absolutely, but it is the disaster scenario, not the likely. I think we look like a 9-3 or 10-2 team which makes 9 1/2 my over/under on UGA wins for this season and I don’t know if it would be different if Hutson Mason returned for 2015. An 8-4 season would be disappointing based on what we can see now, barring another injury plagued season like 2013. I never really take Bradley seriously as a CFB analyst, I always think his words are compromised by some AJC agenda, but it does seem he is assigning too much weight to the experience of a starting QB for a team that surrounds that position with so many strengths.

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  4. Irwin R. Fletcher

    Even giving Bradley’s methodology a semblance of credibility (which I don’t), taking the Over on the average seems to completely overlook the talent of the team surrounding the QB.

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    • Irwin R. Fletcher

      BTW…I get his whole ‘cut above’ comment is just trolling, but when you pick Tennessee and Auburn to beat UGA…with QB’s who were rated below Brice in the same senior class…

      Recruiting rankings don’t mean production…but sometimes they show potential. I guess we’ll have to wait and see.

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      • Otto

        Auburn doesn’t run a pro style attack requiring an experienced QB, they run a spread and went to a BCS CG with a DB under center.

        UT to me is a critical game. If UGA wins over Bama it is a let down game, if Bama wins the season could go down the drain to UT.

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        • Irwin R. Fletcher

          Myth of Cammy Cam Juice.

          In two years under Malzhan and Marshall, Auburn has lost 5 games and 2 games (and should have lost 4 that year…FWIW). They don’t run a pro-style attack, but they do need someone that can throw the football to win.

          The most critical game is the ‘next game.’ Sorry…cliche’ talk taking over. I think that U10 game will be interesting. U10 comes in after a pretty tough opening stretch…they have Oklahoma, Florida, and Arky prior to the UGA game. If they go 2-1 or 3-0, the hype will be REAL, which I think could make one of the best two game stretches between the hedges in recent memory. If they go 1-2 or 0-3 in those games…then less hype and a greater chance for a let down.

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  5. Macon Dawg

    Bradley’s not really going out on a limb there. The last 2 years we went 9-3 and 8-4 in the regular season. And our average record over the last 6 years (including bowls) has been 9-4 (actually, 9 and 4.3).

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    • W Cobb Dawg

      That’s certainly true. The common denominator from the past years is CMR. For all intents & purposes, bradley is saying CMR ain’t that great and all the changes we’ve made won’t improve the situation.

      That’s a depressing thought. Then again, bradley’s opinion always depresses me. Probably why I never read his articles.

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  6. So, IL Dawg

    Barring a rash of injuries, this team wins 9 games no matter who the QB is. With solid QB play, then it’s 10 or more wins and a trip to Atlanta. With a healthy stable of RB’s, the QB can just hand the ball off. then the play action works to get wide open receivers that just about any QB can hit. So, the QB efficiency is much better with the great running game the Dawgs should have. None of the QB’s Bradley mentioned had a running game like the Dawgs will have this year; and that will open everything else up. It’s all about keeping the RB’s healthy.

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    • Otto

      Healthy being the key word, 2 are injury prone, 1 is not proven and some think has a problem holding on to the ball, and the 4th has Heisman candidate potential.

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      • Uglydawg

        Otto..that ain’t exactly looking at the bright side of things. RB is Georgia’s greatest strength and will be fine. I worry about the kicking game. It can cost dearly if it’s sub-par.

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  7. sUGArdaddy

    The problem is that Bradley doesn’t take into account the OTHER teams’ QBs. It’s a transitional yr across the league. The cocks, tide, and war chickens are all breaking in a new starter. UT has a kid making his first full season debut. Florida is a train wreck at QB. Mizzou still has Mauk, which is a plus for
    everyone else. Pick which team we play whose QB you’d rather have. You can’t. Lambert or Brice are better than all of them or at least equal. And we have Nick Chubb. Maybe Bradley forgot about him.

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    • SouthernYank

      UGA has not even picked their starter, yet that undisclosed person is better than the QBs on any of the teams UGA plays? I’m sorry, I don’t get the logic here.

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      • Dawgoholic

        Same logic would have said last year that our 3rd/4th string tailback wouldn’t be better than any of our opponents’ backs – despite the fact that he, like Ramsey and Lambert, was rated higher than their guys coming out of HS. We’ve got the most talent of anyone in the East at multiple positions. Guess our OLBs are weak too as it’s not clear who will start there either.

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      • sUGArdaddy

        Dawgoholic is correct. And many of those other teams haven’t named a starter either. All 3 of our QBs would start at South Carolina or Florida. They’d make a push at Bama, lacking only seniority. They’re simply as good or better than Mauk and Dobbs. We have no idea about Johnson at Auburn, but we do know he can throw better than Marshall but not run near as fast. We did okay against Auburn anyway. I do know they lost Artis-Payne and Coates. Color me as just not that scared of other teams’ QBs. I think at the end of the year, it’ll come out that we had one of the conference’s best, whether it’s Ramsey or Lambert.

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        • SouthernYank

          This is literally crazy talk, with no basis in fact, because non of these guys have played enough to make such an assessment. It is your opinion and nothing more.

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  8. Bradley makes the assumption that we will need to lean on the QB to make up for deficiencies in the Defense–which makes sense after watching us the last few years having to lean on Murray to bail us out.

    But (and this is the optimist in me) thinks that the DNA of this team has shifted back toward a heavier reliance on the running game and a better defense. But there will be that game(s) this year when we come out flat and our QB HAS to make something happen. Bradley thinks that will happen 4 times this year and our QB won’t respond (loss), but last year it happened twice.

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  9. Cosmic Dawg

    I am hoping for the best but we just have so many unknowns on offense. If it was “just” losing CMB I would be less concerned, but no clear leader at QB, center is an x-factor, WR is extremely young or injury-prone…I do not understand all the optimism when we have so many questions.

    You cannot lose Conley, Bennett, Gurley, Andrews, and Mason and just casually retool. Unless Godwin is the next AJ, if Malcolm Mitchell goes down, it may feel like that Vandy / TN / Mizzou stretch of 2013 all over again – even with my high hopes for McKenzie and JSW

    Hopefully we can avoid some of the team+coach head scratchers like GT and Fla last year and get to Atlanta, but this strikes me as likely the weakest offense we’ve fielded since 2011.

    Can’t wait to be proven wrong…Go Dawgs!

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  10. CannonDawg

    At some point in the first half of the season, the QB will need to direct a late drive to win or steady the team and get back into the ballgame after a near-disastrous start or complete several third- or fourth-down conversions. And maybe all three in one game. It will be on the QB, his skill, leadership, and moxie, and it might very well set the tone for the rest of the season. We have a lot of weapons, but we’ll need our QB to be more than a game manager when the game comes down to making THAT play, IMO. And that time will come. If our guy’s up to it, then we could develop into a championship team. If not, then Bradley may be right (God forbid). I just can’t see us staying with SCe, Bama, Tenn, FU, and AU with “less-than-stellar” QB play unless we’re incredibly lucky. And for Georgia, being lucky is not exactly a given.

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    • sUGArdaddy

      That is absolutely true, Cannon, but those teams will have to do exactly the same thing. Have you seen South Carolina’s QB depth chart? Or Florida’s? Can Coker actually make a play? Blake Sims had is LSU moment last year when he HAD to orchestrate a drive. Hutson’s came against Tech. It WILL have to happen. But, the other teams in the league are SOOOOOO weak at the position, I’m not convinced our guy(s) will look so bad. Honestly, MSU looks to be the only team that has a real proven QB. Can Dobbs produce every game in Knoxville? We’ll see. But I like our guys. They’re better than what USCe, Bama, Florida and most all our other opponents are rolling out there.

      Again, we have have Nick Chubb. And I think this guy is better than we remember. He was better as a freshman than Gurley was as a freshman. Hard as that is to swallow and believe. He was the best freshman RB we’ve had since 1980. Better than Garrison in ’91. Better than Rodney in ’87. Better than Knowshon in ’07. Better than Crowell in ’11 and Gurley in ’12. He rushed for a billion yards and 100 yards every time he started. He’s a weightroom warhorse. He’s very intelligent and is the hardest worker on the team. Richt has had GREAT running backs for a few seasons in his tenure:

      2002 – Musa
      2007 – Knowshon
      2008 – Knowshon
      2012 – Gurley
      2014 – Gurley/Chubb

      We faired pretty well in those seasons. Those are the years we had a 1,000 yard rusher. The worst record was 9-3 (2008 and 2014). It also includes two 11-1 stints and a 10-2 run that was arguably Richt’s best team (certainly the last half of the season). So, what are the odds of us going 8-4 if we have a 1,000 yard rusher? It hasn’t happened yet in Richt’s 14 years. The average regular season total for those teams is 10-2.

      And it’s the schedule, schedule, schedule people! ’02 included a win over Clemson. ’07 a win over Okie St. ’08 a win @ Arizona St. ’14 a win over Clemson. ’12 was the only season we played 3 cupcakes, and we stayed amazingly healthy that year, save for a few late season WR freak injuries. It was the ONE year we had a legit shot at the MNC late in the season. This year we play 3 cupcakes. That’s 3 games (instead of 2) that we can rest banged up players, roll our helmets out and get well. You can’t put a value on that. One less game you KNOW you have to go all out to win. One less game to pull out THAT play or show all your cards to the next opponent. Our rivals have enjoyed this kind of sked nearly every year. We get it this year. So, with the ‘easiest’ sked we’ve had along with 2012 since we went to 12 games in 2006 and a surefire 1,000 yd rusher, Bradley thinks we’re going 8-4 because of QB play in a league with virtually no returning star QBs on our schedule? That’s because Bradley just wants clicks and is lazy with research.

      Our QB will have to win a game or make a throw, but the others on the rest of the teams will, too. And many of our games will be well taken care of because of LoCarter & Co. and their friend, Nicholas Chubb.

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      • Macallanlover

        I agree, but I think you are overlooking what a healthy Michel and Marshall could bring to our offense in addition to the obvious talent of Chubb. Plus, I consider Tech more an annoyance than a cupcake. 🙂

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      • A10Penny

        Chubb had more yards in his Freshman year, but he wasn’t as good as Gurley. IMO, anyways

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        • Uglydawg

          At some point in the season the placekicker is going to have to hit a long one to keep the Dawgs on top. This worries me more than the QB situation…But teams better be in damn good shape on defense or Georgia’s going to grind their asses into the ground in the fourth quarter…When it’s fourth and two…CMR is going for it with this running game.

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        • sUGArdaddy

          Both were pretty good. I say Gurley was more explosive, but Nick was more consistent.

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        • JDawg

          Lmao, ur right… he was better!!!

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  11. Dawgoholic

    Bradley assumes, and I believe wrongly, that our QB talent is deficient compared to other years. I think Park, as a redshirt freshman, would have likely started in 2001, 2006, and 2009. He would have had a better shot than Mett in 2010. It appears he was 4th best for 2015.

    In 5 years, if you asked an NFL scout to rank the talent of UGA QBs from 2001-2015 under CMR, his likely response will be:
    1-Stafford
    2-Ramsey/Lambert
    Note Eason is not included in 2001-2015.

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  12. Beakerdawg

    In my opinion, with Mark Richt’s recruits, we have never, ever had as solid of a D, OL, RB as we do now. To me, this is what is different from previous years and why all the ‘kool-aid’ talk about what the Dawgs could do this year even though we have some pretty big questions marks at QB and potentially receiver,.
    Control the line of scrimmage…. I believe that we are built to do that and that is why I look forward to our tailgate in AZ…

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  13. paul

    Bradley is correct to say that we’ll lose one game we shouldn’t simply because we usually do. It is, unfortunately, all to common in recent years. All my friends who are fans of teams where Schottenheimer used to coach are still dumbstruck we actually hired him. I’ve never heard a single one of them say anything good about him. I sure hope they’re wrong. Chubb won’t be around forever. At some point in the future, we’ll have to field an actual offense. Assuming he stays healthy, I think we can pretty much get away with Chubb left, Chubb right this year. Even so, we probably still lose two or three games. While that’s not a bad season it probably won’t get us to the Final Four, er, College Football Playoff. So, Florida here we come. Again. I guess I’m in my preseason pessimism mode. When things get closer I’ll get excited. At that point, I’ll be absolutely sure we can win it all. Ah, the circle of life.

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    • 69Dawg

      I don’t know who your friends are but CBS has had to try and make chicken salad out of chicken shit at both the New York Jets and the Rams. He was actually having to play the 3rd string QB at the Rams. He will probably go with Lambert, if the kid can quickly learn the playbook. At least Lambert has been under fire with live bullets. I hate it for Ramsey and Bauta but the experience is going to win. Consider this at no time did UVA have even close to the caliber of players that UGA does. Lambert was in the position to have to try and carry a team. He won’t be doing that here. This alone will make him a better QB. I guess I’m just a glass half full guy when it comes to the offense. I am a lot more worried about the center than I am about who he will be snapping it to.

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      • paul

        Like I said, I hope they’re wrong. I haven’t really watched the NFL for a number of years now so I do not have anything even approaching a semi-informed opinion of his previous work. I do know Mark Richt and I trust him despite the failure of Grantham. This is simply my doom and gloom time of year. I’ll get over it. I always do.

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        • Willie Martinez

          Thanks for not mentioning my name.

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          • Dawgoholic

            CBS and Lambert, if he earns playing time, will both be in very foreign situations as they will be able to “out-talent” the other side for every game but Bama. CBS is used to being on the other side of that. Not sure how they’ll handle it but I think training in very adverse situations prepares you for success in less adverse situations.

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            • paul

              Sorry to say that I have another good friend who is a Virginia alumni and rabid fan. He says there is no possible way Lambert rises above third string. Claims he wouldn’t even be getting meaningful snaps at Virginia this year. Like Sgt. Schultz, I know nothing.

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    • Macallanlover

      In my fifty plus years of following CFB closely, there has rarely been a team that didn’t lose a game they should have won, or pull out a miracle win a game they should have lost (not counting smaller schools who play in conferences that are easily dominated.) UGA fans act as if we are unusual in that respect. I would love to have one season like 2014 FSU did but that is damned tough to do in a conference where ten of the teams have recruiting classes that are in the Top 20 every single year. Lot of wear and tear in the schedules and always a team lying in wait that is hungry, and healthier, when you play them.

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      • Puffdawg

        I think some people just have a lack of perspective. Perhaps we always lose a game we are expected to win because… we’re expected to win every single damn game. I mean, what a compliment to the program and to the guy who got us to this position that we are expected to win every single game.

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        • Scott Woerner

          Really? Last I checked Vegas hasn’t expected UGA to win every game…EVER….in any season. This is not a blow smoke up CMR’s ass topic.

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      • Mary Kate Danaher

        Amen, Mac. Every fan base, with the possible exception of Bama, believes their team loses a game they should win each and every year. Its not just a Dawg thing.

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        • Mayor

          Mary Kate, I think the Bama fans all think the Tide should have beaten Auburn in 2013. And A&M in 2012. And Florida in 2008. And LSU in the regular season game in 2011. And Auburn in 2010. Just ask ’em.

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      • Debby Balcer

        +1.

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    • Uglydawg

      Thanks for that cold shower.

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  14. DawgPhan

    Put me in the our front 7 on defense is going to eat teams alive this season. The DL and LB talent that we will be able to put on the field is going to be insane. Multiple All Americans are in the front 7. Other teams are going to be a hole very quick with 3 and outs and TOs which is going to remove pressure from out O and place immense pressure on theirs.

    Can a 4 star QB with 2 years experience and a big arm play fast and loose with no pressure and a heisman candidate running back. Oh gee throw me in the briarpatch.

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  15. If we’re judging by singular stats, how about:
    2nd year under a defensive coordinator?
    2002: 12-1 (SEC Champs)
    2006: 9-4
    2011: 10-4 (SEC East Champs)

    Does 2015 look more like 2006 (frosh qb, new offensive coordinator) or 2002 (established running back, great defense)?

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  16. SouthernYank

    Gentlemen (and ladies, if any), if by Oct. 3 there is not at the very least above average QB and WR play (and based on who they play those first few weeks, if it’s not above average, all hands abandon ship), UGA is in trouble. Alabama, UT, Mizzou in consecutive weeks. And then at Auburn a few weeks later. If QB play is sketchy, all those teams simply key on Chubb.

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    • sUGArdaddy

      You mean key on him like they did last year on his way to 1,547 yards and 7.1 yards/carry? You mean like the Mizzou game when he was all we had? This kid’s a beast. He can handle it. Here’s what we need from the QB:

      12-18
      188 yards
      No picks
      1 TD
      1 longer completion off play action
      Don’t fumble when you get sacked

      Average that, and we win a bunch of ball games.

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    • Chadwick

      And all those teams didn’t key on Gurley/Chubb last year? They did and still couldn’t stop the run game. The key to this year is stopping the run. That gets done and UGA is in Atlanta.

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    • Dawgoholic

      I think we could win three of the first four without throwing a single pass. Doubt we go deep in the playbook in September. Exactly what we have beyond the RBs will be a mystery for everyone outside the program, including CNS, until October 3.

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  17. The degree that a qb matters is directly proportional to the quality of your roster relative to your opponent’s. The qb becomes key when trying to beat equal or superior teams. Good qbs win tough, close games. Great qbs win as underdogs. Bad qbs lose games against bad teams like uf in 2014.

    I’d like to believe that upgrades in the roster, coaching and conditioning mean that their are only a handful of teams that can hang with us in the absence of bad qb play. If we have a good qb play we’ll win at least 10. If we want a playoff berth, you are going to need a qb who can make big plays in big spots.

    If we end up with a “game manager” at best we’d better be really good on defense if we want to see playoffs. Bark Madly’s judgment notwithstanding I like how we match up with everybody. I think we can have a big season but we’re going to need better qb play than we got last year.

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    • Uglydawg

      You kind of described a Dooley team there, Derek. This team is shaping up to be like one of the early 80s. Those teams had “manager” QB’s but offensive lines and RB’s that wore the other teams down late in the games. Even so..when it came down to having to make a play..those QB’s usually could, and mostly because the defenses were exhausted enough for them to do it. I can see this happening this year. I hope so.

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  18. Ed Kilgore

    Maybe I’m being simplistic, but I look at Bauta and see Hutson Mason with more mobility. I look at Ramsey and see a higher upside if he can protect the ball. I don’t see the scenario where our QB performance takes a noticeable dip. And if you’re pessimistic about WRs, don’t forget our TEs!

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  19. 8-4

    I agree with him… We will lose to Bama, Auburn, and Florida. Possible loss to Tennessee and GT.

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    • There is zero chance we lose to the gators. Zero.

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    • Uglydawg

      Alabama will be touch and go. Auburn won’t be too much of a contest, Florida will be paid back in spades…Tennessee is a tough call because of where the game falls on the schedule and the great emotion with which they usually play the Dawgs…and GT (Phil Steele has them at # thirty something…will recieve one of the worst ass stompings of the modern era. The stadium will be devoid of nerds by halftime.
      If there’s a suprise out there it will come from South Carolina. Great coaches are never to be taken lightly.

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  20. Mayor

    Senator, thank you for posting a quote from Bradley’s article that summarized what his point was–so I didn’t have to click on the link. 🙂

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    • Uglydawg

      Mark Bradley was trolling Dawg fans and it worked..only GTP got all the hits and not the AJC…except he was also trolling the nerds to resond with this one…which they probably did. Pretty cagey of Mark, BTW…Giving just enough negativity about UGA to troll both bases…We all know that the one thing UGA and GT fans have in common is they both are obsessed with UGA football.
      If Georgia wins the SEC, I wish the whole team..coaches, players, etc. would ignore the AJC and give no interviews.

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