Lack of confidence

Interesting poll that reflects the results I got here when I ran one about fan attendance:

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Forcing unpaid help to play under conditions that a majority of your audience isn’t comfortable with is a good way to lose the PR battle.  Don’t think folks in Congress being asked to provide NIL relief aren’t sensitive to that.

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  1. PTC DAWG

    I’d guess the majority of folks in the US don’t watch or follow College Football..what do they care?

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  2. Corch Irvin Meyers, New USC Corch (2021)

    That’s interesting. The only question I would have is how the poll was distributed, and if there were any barriers to all types of people having access.

    I won’t link to it here, because I know it’s playpen material, but Senator, did you see the Gallup poll released today? Maybe a good topic for tomorrow?

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  3. ASEF

    The risk/reward calculation for 2020 will always have those TV deals with a heavy thumb on the scales – but you do wonder long term how much this season is going to cost the preferred operating model of the schools in the long run.

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  4. 1200 people, not so big a poll. If you asked 1200 people between ttown and b ham I wonder what you get.

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    • Corch Irvin Meyers, New USC Corch (2021)

      It’s not the size of the poll. A 500 person poll can be a good temperature-taker. It’s about the distribution. For example, if that was a poll of 1200 Finebaum listeners, those numbers would look nothing like that.

      That’s why I wondered what barriers to participation were involved with this poll.

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      • Brother, Elections and polling specifically polling was my enhancement. I do not have a lot of faith in most any poll. And I have a very strong belief that yes yoy do in fact need much higher numbers and also distribution. I mean I love you love your comments and takes but you don’t have to correct everybody on everything every time, this is actually something I know something about. I don’t believe poll takers collect very good data anymore. If they ever did in the 1st place. Online polls really only collect people that are intrested in answering, most that have a take blow it off, and phone polls, people don’t like answering their phones anymore.

        I think 1200 is a low number. And I would need to know everything about how they collected their data set.

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        • Corch Irvin Meyers, New USC Corch (2021)

          I stand corrected. I knew only taking basic statistics would come back to bite me in the ass at some point. Should’ve gotten more into it. 😂

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        • Navy

          A+
          Polling is hard. Pollsters who present their findings must not offer “conclusions” but rather language like “these suggest…” I’m a stats guy as well, and when I see polls of “750 likely voters” I giggle a bit. The pollster has to break the respondents into groups and try and put them together based on their prediction of each group’s proportion of turnout. Really the only political poll that sounded good to me was a tracking one in 2016 that tracked a very large group, same group, over months leading up to Election Day.

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          • A lot of these polls are just stuff on the Internet. So you go to espn.com and it says participate in our poll, So now you have a very narrow audience that both would go to that website and would want to be in the poll. Then they publish as if they like did all this work and stuff. 75% of people polled said this! Last presidential election people even lied on their exit polls which led to great hilarity.

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            • Navy

              Confirmation bias is hard to overcome in polling, surveys, and marketing analysis, but it’s not impossible. To your earlier point the key is having a large enough sample especially if you have to segment.

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  5. MGW

    I’m telling you folks. Just say, “We’re not paying you one dime beyond your education, room and board, and healthcare while you’re here…” (maybe throw in some football injury related healthcare beyond)…. “but you can do all the advertising/endorsements you want. In fact we’ll help you vet people who might be trying to scam you, and have other resources available to help you manage your NIL.” Cobble together some rules/laws that prevent things like bounties, point shaving, etc., and that help protect the kids from being taken advantage of and you’re all set.

    It’s only complicated if you want it to be.

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  6. Corch Irvin Meyers, New USC Corch (2021)

    Bingo. And even if it’s tied to what businesses endorse your program, you’re still talking about Nike, Ford, Kroger, AT&T, Zaxbys. Chick-fil-A. And so many more.

    I mean, there’s so much money these athletes can earn based on what should have always been theirs (the right to their name and likeness) that even swimmers, golfers, and gymnasts can make money with the right guidance from the Athletic Association.

    This is why Emmert should be fired. All the other stuff is window dressing. Standing in the way of NIL rights is the most avoidable self-inflected wound I’ve ever seen the NCAA get themselves into. It’s just stupid.

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    • MGW

      The trouble with forcing kids to go with the school’s preexisting sponsors is it completely strips them of any negotiating power whatsoever. Why would Nike pay a player full value for something they already bought a huge portion of by putting their name all over the player’s jersey?

      Sure there’s additional value to having someone like Todd Gurley talking about how great Nike is during a commercial break, but when nobody can bid against you for that, why pay him anything even remotely close to fair value for that?

      Further, why would you pay more than one or a few star players? Nike, Zaxbys, and all the rest are ALL going to want the best two or three players. Todd Gurley’s face would have been everywhere. But who can the rest of the players market their NIL to? Nobody.

      If it’s wide open, I guarantee you there isn’t one single starting Georgia player who couldn’t get SOME kind of endorsement. Hell a one location restaurant, bar, etc. in Athens would pay a few grand to a player to do a commercial. That’s all gone if you limit the players to the school’s existing sponsors. They’ll ALL just get a discount on the best few players, leaving the rest with no options.

      On the flip side, if you don’t limit it to preexisting sponsors, those sponsors will pay the school less, which is the only reason the schools float things like this under the guise of preventing pay for play, or protecting the kids or whatever other garbage they can come up with. To say it out loud would be to admit it’s a lot more than just the name on the front of the jersey the existing sponsors are paying for. Nike’s paying to sponsor Georgia… and all it’s star players. That check’s going to shrink if Jamie Newman plays in Nike but advertises for Adidas during commercial breaks.

      But they’re about two or three times over funded right now so I’m not too worried about them losing a little sponsorship revenue. There are still donors and television.

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      • Corch Irvin Meyers, New USC Corch (2021)

        Okay, that’s a great point I hadn’t considered.

        Maybe those spots would be better for the swimmers and golfers who wouldn’t have the same opportunity as the football and basketball players?

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        • MGW

          Thanks. There may be something that can be done. There’s certainly nothing realistic coming from the NCAA. I’ve seen some other proposals for different limits and restrictions, but most would wind up with totally egregious consequences. I think they just need to accept that they’re going to lose some revenue, but they’ll still have far more than plenty. Honestly, I love UGA spending like crazy to try to get a title right now but in the grand scheme of things everyone is, and the historical pecking order is largely the same as it ever was. Everyone just spends a whole hell of a lot more on recruiting, staff, and facilities. Nobody’s really gained anything, the cost to compete just went way, way up because they all have way, way more money.

          You can still prohibit contracts that require a player to go to one school over another, or to transfer, etc. It’ll be about as effective as the current rules at preventing that, but if it makes the NCAA feel better to have the rule, then go ahead. But even that’s problematic because it effectively makes every player’s endorsement contracts public knowledge (can’t enforce the rule without seeing the terms of the contract, and if the NCAA/schools have it, it’s likely subject to FOIA) which has privacy and competitive consequences, but I think they players would cave on the issue if that was basically it. Maybe you DO get congress involved with some sort of privacy exemption or secret committee that reviews contracts to make sure they’re meaningful beyond just “play here for $100,000.”

          They say that’s all it’s about, so just make the rule… even if you can’t really enforce it any better than you can today. Some kid will post some dumb shit like “thanks bob’s autoland, I’m coming to Auburn. much respect to Tennessee, but carpet world’s offer was trash” and you can go punish him if you like.

          One way or another, it doesn’t look like the players are going to let this sleeping dog lie anymore, especially now that it’s in the national spotlight…. and morally the players are clearly in the right, even if it’s hard to sort out without rampant pay for play. As it stands, they have no meaningful choice but to give up their NIL rights to be able to play CFB. There is no real alternative for the kids who are strictly there to try to get drafted.

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      • Navy

        It’s really bothered me for years that players can’t monetize themselves yet the schools and conferences can. NIL is just a basic right.

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        • Down Island Way

          Or just the ability to capitalize on their good fortune at that point and time…basic right might be a stretch

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  7. Those who talk about postponing the 2020 season are clueless about the impact that the season has on the body. To turn around and ask the unpaid players to do it again in August makes zero sense.

    You either play in the fall or cancel, period. A spring season would require a bunch of walk-ons because the exodus of 3rd year players and up would require additional players unless they were going to waive the redshirt rules to allow this year’s freshman class to have 5 years of eligibility to play 5 seasons.

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  8. Granthams replacement

    I’d like to see a poll of what college football players think.

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  9. Navy

    “Forcing” is doing a lot of heavy lifting there.

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  10. UGA '97

    Remove “NCAA Football Fan” poll. Then re-run the poll for “College Football Fan”

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  11. “Forcing unpaid help to play”? Did Greg Sankey change his mind?

    https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2900618-sec-announces-athletes-can-opt-out-of-fall-seasons-and-retain-scholarships

    And here’s a (dated) article from Forbes that estimates the value of a one-year football scholarship at UGA to be $19,736, and that was in 2011, before the $3,746 (a 5-year-old number) cost-of-attendance stipend. So is $23,482 “unpaid”?

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/prishe/2011/08/21/value-of-college-football-scholarship-exceeds-2-million-for-college-footballs-top-25/#14568252619e

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  12. Savdawg

    Do not understand why all of you are on this crusade (or more acceptable terms to you, pilgrimage to mecca). You claim to be fans, but obsess on tearing down the system. Surely there are more important crimes to address than mostly mediocre students getting to go to a flagship university for free with full room and board where thousands of paying and better qualified applicants are denied entry? Out of control murders in Chicago. Starving children in Africa. Guess you are just virtue signaling.

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  13. Savdawg

    In thinking it through, I kind of agree with you. Force schools to call them employees and end up with an NFL minor league and real student athletes .

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