This (h/t Gatorhater27) doesn’t sound too good.
Detroit Lions offensive coordinator Joe Lombardi said the new crop of college quarterbacks were flummoxed by a simple question about an “under” front, one of the most common defensive alignments. “Whoa, no one’s ever told me ‘front’ before,” he remembers one prospect saying. “No one’s ever talked to me about reading these defenses.”
Buffalo Bills general manager Doug Whaley said he had the same results when he asked prospects a question about defenses shifting from a common scheme called “cover 2” to an equally mundane tactic called “cover 3.” Hue Jackson, the offensive coordinator from the Bengals, said he had to dumb down his questions, while Indianapolis Colts offensive coordinator Pep Hamilton said some QBs failed to grasp things as basic as understanding a common play call. “You have to teach these kids the absolute basics,” he said.
Even Baylor’s Brice Petty, who resented not being picked until the 103rd selection in the draft, claiming he “was thrown away like I couldn’t learn it,” acknowledges having a few holes in his game, even coming from that ridiculously prolific offense he was in.
Petty admits to grappling with tasks such as hearing and calling the play, identifying defensive backs in coverage and identifying which player in the defensive backfield was the “mike” linebacker, the central part of the defense whose location teams base their offensive line protections on. “As crazy as it sounds, at Baylor, we did not point out the ‘mike’ linebacker,” Petty said.
Petty was unfamiliar with making adjustments to the play or the formation before the snap.
“Honestly, I wish I’d done a little bit more as far as being proactive to get into a pro style [offense],” he said, singling out the need to decipher fronts or coverages. “It was things I have never seen before.”
I can see why St. Louis Rams general manager Les Snead speaks of the apocalypse: ‘It’s doomsday if we don’t adapt and evolve.’
So what’s a mother of a professional league supposed to do?
NFL officials agree that the new wave of quarterbacks will need more time than previous generations, but some fret that today’s roster limits and time constraints may prevent them from getting the time they need to learn or develop. “It might become like major league baseball now, where you take a guy that you think will be able to play in three, four, five years,” said Pettine.
I think that’s what they have the minor leagues for, buddy. Of course, those things cost money and you guys sure do like your player development freebies.
Hey, has anyone considered the possibility that the spread is college football’s secret attempt to force the NFL to drop its three-year-after-high-school eligibility requirement?
Interesting comment about the “mike” considering you could hear TBrady last night calling out “mike, mike” and pointing to the LB.
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Golly, this stuff seems to indicate reading the defense is more important than a quick release….heresy!!! 🙂
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Indeed. Observant Dawg fans understand that CMR’s QBs – even “game managers” – shoulder more of a mental burden than most of their peers in CFB. Stafford and Murray are the only highly recruited and talented ones who were handed the reins in their 1st or 2nd years and the rest either required much more seasoning (Shockley) or washed out (Barnes, Mett, Gray, Lemay and Park). However, I wonder whether the staff should have pared back the burden a bit in years where our QB personnel warranted a more “dual-threat” approach.
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David Greene. Eleven out of fifteen years with one of these three.
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This can’t do anything but help UGA recruit QBs. If most schools don’t teach their QB any of the things most important to playing that position at the NFL level, and UGA does, where would you want to play QB in college if you were a top prospect and wanted an NFL career post college?
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So am I to believe it’s harder to find a QB now than it was when half of college football was running the option and the veer and defenses were loading boxes to stop the run and not doing anything particularly complicated with coverages?
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Since the pro game has become all about franchise qbs who throw on most downs, yes, it is much harder. The NFL rule changes that protect the qb and make receivers almost untouchable without a pass interference penalty have made the NFL a pass happy, high scoring show. In the days of the option and the veer, the NFL was pretty much an extension of the college game.
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QBs in that era were expected to be backups for several years while they learned the game. The problem now is that teams want a guy who can play immediately.
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This.
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Well, unless they finance a minor league system that teaches QBs their systems for a few years straight out of high school, they’re dreaming. I just don’t think the QBs coming out now are any more or less question marks than the guys they’ve been drafting forever. Even in the ’83 draft, there were three busts to go with the three Hall of Famers.
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The NFL was a much more run-dominated league in those days, too.
When a Chip Kelly-type team wins a Super Bowl, the NFL’s herd mentality will take over and adapt.
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When Johnny Unitas was playing, defenses were prehistoric. The complexities of the defenses AND rule changes have totally changed the game.
The nfl should announce that no players that play offense in a spread system will be drafted, period. That would be fun to watch.
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Fran Tarkenton’s TD to interception ratio was lower than 1.3. Yikes thats below Tebow. I think Timmy was borne too late. 😉
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If the spread is what it takes to get rid of that rule, I hope every team goes to the spread.
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Wow!!!: “Honestly, I wish I’d done a little bit more as far as being proactive to get into a pro style [offense],” he said, singling out the need to decipher fronts or coverages. “It was things I have never seen before.”
Bryce Petty recruiting the QB position for Georgia.
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Amen. Slap this on some recruiting material and get it to the Lawrence kid in Cartersville STAT…
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I think you’ll see the teams that still run a pro style offense using this more and more in recruiting. That said, I’m not sure I’m a fan of us switching to the sideline play cards for our hurry up offense for the same reasons discussed in the article. Even with that though, our QBs are likely still well ahead of the learning curve of the Bryce Pettys of the world.
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Someone please correct me if I am wrong but I thought the cards were just to tell the players which of the four guys signaling plays to look at, it has nothing to do with the play or formation, just one more thing for the QB to learn.
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I have to admit the lack of talented QBs is readily apparent on many NFL teams and I don’t think we have reached the bottom of the curve yet. What I really don’t understand is why some of these GMs don’t invest money for that 2-3 years on their Scout team to have someone ready to step in when needed. Or fund a development league. It isn’t like the NFL teams collectively cannot afford to have a slimmed down version of baseball’s minor league.
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There are always a bunch of bad QBs in the league. I just randomly pulled up 1988. Here are some guys who started 6 or more games for their respective teams:
Chris Chandler
Doug Flutie
Ken O’Brien
Bubby Brister
Jay Schroeder
Steve Beurlein
Mark Malone
Babe Laufenberg
Steve DeBerg
Neil Lomax
Steve Pelluer
Vinnie Testaverde (his 35 interception year, which I’d forgotten about)
Rusty Hilger
Chuck Long
Don Majkowski
Randy Wright
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In any given year in the NFL there may not be more than two really good quarterbacks and they are usually in that game with the over-stated half time show.
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Well, Scorp, I agree not every NFL team has a good starting QB but there are more than two in any given year. Take last year for example. Tom Brady and Russell Wilson are pretty good and they played in that game of which you speak. But Peyton Manning and his brother are pretty good, too and they didn’t. And even though the Falcons sucked it wasn’t Matt Ryan’s fault–he’s pretty good. Aaron Rodgers–ever heard of him? He’s pretty good, too. Drew Brees, Andrew Luck, Ben Roethlisberger–do those names ring a bell? How about Philip Rivers? Or Matt Stafford (I know you’ve heard of him)? There are more that two good Qbs in the NFL, Scorp. A lot more.
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That is a fun list right there.
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I looked up some of the guys whose names I didn’t recognize. Neil Lomax doesn’t belong on the list. The guy was pretty good playing for some bad Cardinals teams.
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MY YOUTH!! I remember all those except Babe Laufenberg, Steve Pelluer, and Rusty Hilger.
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With a name like Babe Laufenberg, he had to be terrible if none of us remember him.
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Oh, I remember him… and get offa my lawn. 😉
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Isn’t Deberg still on a roster?
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Actually, he was ok as Aikman’s backup and is now the color analyst for Cowboys radio. Does a real good job, surprised Fox hasn’t picked him up.
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Pretty sure Peuller went to Washington (was #16, I do believe) and Hilger went to Oklahoma State. This is my wheelhouse right here. 😐
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That’s certainly good news for pro style teams. I mean, a team that runs an effective pro style offense could have their pick of QB’s that want to get to the next level. Heck, a school in the southeast could conceivably go as far out of their market as say…the state of Washington to get a blue chip recruit. Just thinking out loud here…
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The problem may be on the recruit’s end. He must have the good sense or have an adviser who can cull the recruiting info/hype to see where he belongs. We are lucky that Eason and his father have that sense.
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This is why Mark RIcht is the best pro-style HS QB recruiter in America
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I love me some CMR, but if her really is the best Pro-style recruiter…well the QB’s we have on the team right now don’t really bear that out.
Bauta- spread
Ramsey-Wing T?
Lambert-Pro-style
Park(transferred) spread
AM was more of a runner at the start also. It seems to me, CMR looks for coachable talent first, as opposed to scheme.
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I think he is using “pro-style” to modify the recruiter (Richt) rather than using “pro-style” to modify the recruits’ high school systems.
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This is why studs from Dallas and Seattle are spending their college careers in Athens. Sooner or later, it’s going to pay off with rings.
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You do mean super bowl rings, right? 😉
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NFL scouts are horrible at their jobs. Literally flipping a coin or a random number generator would be better at selecting and finding talent.
These guys are just using the excuse of the day to explain why they are terrible at find QBs.
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NFL just needs to let teams have a Spring game to prove that the #2 guy should be their starter.
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Best comment of the morning!
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AusDawg has been making a few of those each day. So have you.
I’m not brownying you guys up, just including yall in the bunch of Old Farts I like to read whether you’re an OF or not. Most comments are uplifting and really get the old heart pumping while waiting for game day.
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Thank you, sir! My kids definitely think I’m an OF! In that case, I’m darn proud of it. I’m honored to be included in that club with you, Cojones.
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Big balls, I was just thinking the other day how much fun it would be to sit together in Sanford together, enjoying the game and arguing politics you old hippie. 😉
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The accolades for Richt are late coming, although this has been observed and true for years, even going back to his FSU years.
If he pulls off the Lambert overhaul this year, he will cement our place from now on as Georgia being the best place to send your kid for NFL chances at QB and RB. Did I mention TE? and LB? This staff he has put together has big potential at those positions for upward movement of coaches as well. An example being that Schotty favors targeting TEs and the passing game while Brown tutors the RBs. It’s win-win for Richt’s offense and coaches.
And a big win for the “romantic” CFB fans.
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“….best place to send your kid for NFL chances….” Georgia needs to win some championships first in order to pull that off, IMHO.
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not winning a championship didn’t hurt Stafford any did it?
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or Rodgers, or Roethlisberger, or Favre, or Brees, or the Mannings…
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Not sure how the two are related myself.
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They’re not–but don’t try to explain that to those guys. The Senator’s post was about Georgia becoming the king school for recruiting QBs, not about success of any one college QB on an isolated basis.
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Well over time two things may happen, NFL teams see so many spread team QB’s they decides it easier to get three of these guys and run the spread knowing that at least two of them will be injured most of the time or they stop expecting these guys to start week one. Jameis Winston, in spite of his off the field issues, has been in a pro type offense. Granted he was a turnover machine sometimes but he won. Marcus M is a true spread QB but he is a smart talented kid. I think he can learn if he does not go the way of RGIII and think he can do the same running in the pros he did in college. If he starts running he will get his eggs scrambled like RGIII and another pro team will have wasted money.
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I predict Marcus will be a bust at QB. Maybe succeed at WR or RB–but not QB in the NFL. Doesn’t throw well enough.
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Looks like David Andrews has taken the Dawg player-position hype further after last night’s performance and Brady’s words about him. A rookie in the first game protecting the QB to the tune of 19 consecutive underinflated football passes is not too shabby in my book.
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good thing the falcons didnt need any OL help this off season.
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How does NE do it? Every NFL team passed on this guy…yet, they signed him..due to injury he starts and looks fine in that start to boot. They also had a rookie guard….
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NE does it the way Bill Walsh built those great Niner teams. They do their homework. Walsh drafted a QB that was too small and didn’t have an NFL arm, a WR that was too slow, and an OL from UGA that others didn’t want. Later he got another QB from the Bucs that was known as “the best RB playing QB in the NFL”. Their names were, Montana, Rice, Mcintyre, and Young.
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Walsh’s latter rounds picks always seemed to make All-Pro, too. Whereas an awful lot of other teams’ first rounders turned out to be busts. (See Atlanta Falcons).
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Andrews did look awesome in that game.
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The problem is that some of our competition for our type of QB also happen to be good to great programs. Also, there are now far fewer pro style/pocket QBs in high school.
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So I guess we should be NFL central for QB’s since we run a Pro-style offense.
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Exactly. But the best players won’t consistently go to Georgia unless Georgia starts winning championships.
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