Look, don’t get me wrong. Kentucky isn’t a particularly good team this season. As Josh notes, the ‘Cats haven’t exactly been stopping SEC offenses. Getting Georgia’s execution back on track should be enough to carry the day.
So I understand doubling down on core identity.
And when Kirby Smart was asked about how Fromm has handled the fall out from the loss, the Georgia coach said his quarterback seems to be in good spirits.
“He’s been great. He’s been helping those wideouts, challenging them, just as he was before,” Smart said. “Challenging them outside, giving them looks like we know they’re going to get. Hard corners, and trying to get them more physical guys at the line, pressing them and things like that. So we can simulate those looks a little better. But Jake’s been great.”
True, when you don’t give a defense new wrinkles, you should be able to anticipate what you’re going to get.
Which brings me to Seth’s preview piece for tomorrow’s game ($$). He’s got a couple of quotes from Charlie Woerner that are revealing. For example, here’s what Woerner says about the offense going up-tempo:
“We don’t always do it, but when we do it is really effective,” tight end Charlie Woerner said. “They’re not ready. Most of the defenses we play, they change a lot of their defensive personnel, so it helps us when we go fast and get them stuck in a personnel grouping they don’t want. But yeah, two-minute wasn’t great on Saturday. We’ve got to continue to work on little things, get better on our tempo stuff, so we can use it all the time and it can really be a weapon for us.”
But Woerner said they don’t always want to be in tempo because of certain plays they want to run. They want to be able to substitute during drives, which is where their depth comes in, and when they do that the defense by rule has to be able to answer with substitutions. [Emphasis added.]
So, they know pace works, they know how it affects the opposing defense, but they don’t want to commit to it too much because it limits the playcalling (you get one guess about that) and they like substituting.
Then there’s this about play design and throwing over the middle:
There is also the idea of throwing more balls to the middle of the field. Woerner pointed out that South Carolina played a lot of one-high safety and cover 3.
“It takes away a lot of the middle, definitely,” Woerner said. “But a lot of that, they’re doing because they’re trying to take away our run game, and loading the box. That’s why a lot of the middle is gone.”
Now, there are ways to deal with that — and, to be fair, Coley did call more five-wide, empty backfield sets against South Carolina than I’d seen previously this season. The problem is that most of that came when the Dawgs were in scramble mode, trying to claw back in the game, rather than as a way to attack the defensive scheme. And that’s because Georgia plays as Kirby wants Georgia to play.
Take it from the horse’s mouth: “We’ve never lost a game when we were efficient in the run game…”
And that’s fine, to an extent. But can’t Georgia have another answer on offense when it’s inefficient running the ball? Or maybe the better question is why can’t Georgia scheme ways to promote efficiency in the ground game other than by imposing its will?
Again, unless Georgia’s hemorrhaging turnovers, those aren’t questions that are likely to need answers Saturday night. But we all know there are times coming up when Tyler Simmons’ blocking skills aren’t going to be enough to carry the day by themselves. It might be prudent to consider other ways to skin the cat. Just sayin’.
No true manball scheme has bested Bama since 2010.
2011 LSU threw the backup QB running option and still needed some missed FGs (and it didn’t work at all in the rematch)
2012 TAMU had Manziel
2013 Auburn ran a ton, but was far closer to the veer/triple option than manball
2014 anOSU ran from the spread
2014 Ole Miss had lots of passing luck and really no run game
Clemson had two great QBs they trusted to make big throws (even when one was a freshman).
Here’s hoping we don’t have to wait until Bama shuts out manball at home before the light goes off that there are better ways to dominate in modern college football than smashing inside zone up the gut over and over and over…
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I’m going to have to stop reading, Senator. I just can’t take the hardheaded insistence on ramming our head into a wall. Especially when Fields is ripping shit and LSU is flinging it like Jack Pardee took over. SMH.
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Agreed this crap is frustrating to say the least.
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Maybe Kirby recruited Fields because he wants to get away from Man Ball…
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That’d make for an odd outcome, then.
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Clearly the coaches know a million more details about football than I, but it seemed like we have abandoned attacking the edge with the run game this season, compared to last, outside of end arounds by Cook or Simmons.
Our runs last week in particular seemed to be designed to go right at the center of the line, with cut lanes that moved towards the guards/tackles, but it all started up the middle. I’m not saying we need toss sweeps on every snap, but what is our OL doing differently this season that seems to have completely removed going off tackle or a sweep from the playbook? Is it because we’re so frequently in the gun? It seems hard to run wide out of the gun. It just seems that since we’ve abandoned the width of the field running, it’s allowed defenses to crash the line on runs, making it that much harder for the backs to find space.
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No the coaches should read fan blog posts.
They’d learn something then.
Like schotty can’t coordinate an nfl offense to a 5-1 record.
Would Pete Carroll have hired schotty if he read get the picture posts? Of course not.
I’m guessing that when Pete won natties and that super bowl he was more into reading blog posters thoughts on football strategy.
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Defending Schottenheimer as an OC is officially jumping the shark.
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I’m not defending schotty.
A guy with two natties and a super bowl win is tho.
The fool!!!
What does Pete know about football as compared to you?
Nuttin! And we know that because he hired Schotty for OC. You wouldn’t have. Because you’re smarter!
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Pete lost a Super Bowl because he put the game in Wilson’s hands instead of Marshawn Lynch’s. And how many of those USC titles are they still allowed to claim?
Winning a title proves you can do it, but it doesn’t make you infallible. I don’t know what point you are trying to make, except that any criticism of UGA’s coaches is invalid. Who is allowed to scrutinize then? What are the qualifications one must possess, Mr. Gatekeeper, before one can express an opinion on this particular topic?
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My point is all the “schotty can’t OC” around here came from morons.
No one is saying coaches are infallible. I’m saying that most, if not all, fan opinions about macro-football issues are useless.
A call here or there or a minor point, maybe an amateur fan can offer something of merit but once you start presupposing you know how to get to 15-0 better than the guys that are coaching is just useless.
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The Seattle fans I know say they’re 5-1 because Russ is a very good QB and are doing it in spite of the predictability of Schotty’s run-run-pass nonsense. (They also think with a better OC they’d be 6-0)
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Fans smart.
Carroll dumb.
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Ahhh, Schotty….I’d forgotten just how dominant we were on offense that season.
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But with Russell Wilson he wins!!
Greyson Lambert not so much!!
Hmmm…. Maybe it’s the quality of the players?
Nah, it’s gotta be the coachin’!!
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All Schotty needs is an all-time great QB and he’s a competent play caller! You dummies expect a coach to elevate his players? Hahahaha you losers! If Swift can’t run the ball right into the teeth of a defense selling out to stop that exact play, well maybe we should just get rid of Swift and find another Herschel. With Herschel, we could easily uncover Coley’s genius!
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Schotty had a horrible tenure as OC at UGA. That much is obvious. But why? Wasn’t he working for an offense-minded head coach?
It’s pretty clear that Schotty walked into a doomed situation in Richt’s twilight. The program had been stagnating for a while already. The talent at QB and the on OL was terrible. UGA was taking desperation transfers from lower-tier schools at quarterback and left tackle. Of all the positions to be doing that…
The downward trajectory of Richt/UGA at that moment made Schotty look worse than he actually was. Exhibit A: his success in the NFL.
There’s no defending it; UGA’s offense sucked that year. But if you think that was only a case of “bad OC,” you’re sadly mistaken.
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Did you accidentally click on this post, thinking it was a 2015 post when Schotty was actually a coach for UGA?
And since nothing I typed had anything to do with Schotty, Seattle, or this “NFL” that you reference, i’m not even sure why you wasted the typing a response to a question that was not asked.
Also, if you can stop gargling the balls of coaches in general, it’d be great to have a conversation, which was asking what we are doing different this season in our running game design.
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I was responding to this bit of misplaced modesty:
“Clearly the coaches know a million more details about football than I“
Lose a game and you’ll find all the expertise you need right here.
Just ask anyone around here. They know everything about football.
I’ve complained about CKS plenty btw.
I’ve said we need to go faster. I’ve said his fake kicks have been ridiculously bad. Like the worst calls in football history twice in one year.
Which one is worse?: the fake FG or the fake punt? Whose to say other than maybe tied for dumbest calls of all time.
But this weeks complaints are largely nonsense.
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Wait, so it is ok to criticize the coaches now when you do it? but any other comment is out of bounds?
Again, nothing you’ve typed has anything to do with anything I asked, so i’ll ask a 3rd time.
What are we doing differently with our run game design that has effectively reduced the part of the field we attack to between the tackles aside from the occasional jet sweep?
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One thing to consider is whether all those changes at guard impacted those choices. We played three different LGs and three different RGs. Maybe stretch plays require more communication /judgment than straight ahead plays.
I thought the backs made the line look worse than they were.
Hitting the hole fast is all fine and good but vs a stunting d-line some patience would help out.
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Both/and.
The coaches are stubborn.
The RBs lacked patience.
Herrien is our most patience back and was out.
A less than ideal offense is installed.
Injuries must be accommodated and overcome.
Players AND Plays.
Dualistic thinking is too simple.
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I still can’t figure out why and how anyone expects us to execute the plays that weren’t called better than the calls that were.
That just defies all logic to me.
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Logically, if some combination of the below statements happen to be true:
UGA has greater overall talent and depth on O than SC has on D
UGA’s O should be able to scheme around 1-2 strong players on the DL and a star at CB and find better match-ups
UGA’s O play-calling should be able to counter a consistent man, cover 3 look
certain plays/options were there for the taking the entire game (pass to RB behind the LBs, for example)
higher tempo and/or passing to set-up the run has consistently been shown to be a strength of UGA’s QB and/or offense
UGA played into a predictable run-run-pass tendencies
UGA’s defense reliably feeds off an aggressive UGA offense, and tends to let up when the UGA O goes 3-and-out
Then, it is reasonable to conclude that the players could have been placed in to play calls and situations giving them a higher probability of success, ergo better execution.
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So the call where swift comes wide open is the sort of call that gets your best player in space was a good one or a bad one?
Just curious.
The problem wasn’t the calls. The problem was the players. Had we played well we cover with exactly the same plays. That’s simply undeniable.
The idea that there’s a plan b for the times when they players can’t do their job correctly seems pretty damn silly.
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As usual, I’m with Derek on this. Running up the middle against 8-man fronts always works on Madden. So if it doesn’t work in real life, it’s not the play call. Why is LSU’s offense so much better this year than last year? Because they got new players and the ones returning decided to play better!
Anybody that thinks 100% manball isn’t a winning strategy in every situation (except where the players screw it up) is just a fucktard! Also, Schotty’s da man!
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Manball has not been added to the Lexicon yet?
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My question: given our offense how in the hell are we going to emulate what Bama or LSU does on offense in practice if we do get a chance to play them in ATL?
Follow-up: If we can emulate them in practice, why don’t we try it ourselves in some games?
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In my opinion, Stetson Bennet can do everything that Joe Burrow does.
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Manball Shmanball, don’t turn it over 4 times and Dawgs win going away, last week and this week.
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Haven’t you considered all of the pass happy offenses that have won natties? Here the list:
BYU 1983
You gotta go with what works and chuck it around!
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Deshaun Watson 36/56
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2019 Clemson 347 passing yards, 135 rushing yards
2018 Bama 187 passing, 184 rushing
2017 Clemson 420 passing, 91 rushing
2016 Bama 335 passing, 138 rushing
2015 Ohio State 242 passing, 296 rushing – MANBALL!!1!!1!!
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The year Clemson won the natty with Deshaun they ran 11+ times per game than they passed. Last years Clemson team was +5 on average.
Find a national champion who threw more passes than they ran over the course of a season. Find an sec champion who has.
If, and that’s a big if, LSU or Alabama does it they would be the first and both are only passing on average about 1 more time than they are running.
BYU in 1983 is the only one you’ll find and that’s not because I looked it up. I know. And that team didn’t play an opponent that won more than six games.
Maybe everything changes this year. But I doubt it.
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The year Clemson won the natty with Deshaun, they actually ran the ball 591 times and passed 629 times for the season.
And I don’t know that the people grousing about the play calling Saturday are actually advocating going full June Jones in response. Maybe they’re suggesting that the coaches take what the defense gives. Run more against cupcakes and to run out the clock and pass more when the box is stacked and the defense is selling out to stop the run.
Right now, Alabama is #1 in the nation and they pass 51% of the time. Georgia passes 45%. If UGA threw the ball 4 times more a game, they would match Alabama. I can think of 4 times in the USC game where runs looked to be wasted against a defense daring Fromm to throw.
But I don’t even think that anymore is suggesting that early Bobo’s devotion to balance is the way to go. It’s more of a situational thing.
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But just running more than passing doesn’t mean you’re playing Manball. OU’s rushed for over 200 ypg every year Riley’s been there, but no one’s calling them a Manball team.
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Nope. But because they can’t play physical defense they STATS!!! like hell but can’t beat a good motivated manball team.
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Can’t beat one? If I recall correctly, they seemed completely capable of beating a manball team in the 2018 Rose Bowl. They came up a bit short, yes. But I wouldn’t call a narrow loss in double overtime proof positive that manball is far superior to Lincoln Riley’s system.
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I’ll give you this, your strategy of making a conversation as unpleasant as possible in order to make it go away is quite the Rhetorical ManBall.
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It’s the facts that annoy you right?
I’m sorry that I call out stupid for what it is, but someone has to.
Ignorance is bliss until it isn’t.
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Yes, Clemson’s ability to run over Alabama’s 2nd string defense in the 4th quarter with a 22 point lead ,earned with minima and ineffective running, was crucial to their W in that game.
As for Clemson 2016, Watson was fheir second leading rusher in yards and attempts with 11 per game. Mainly because their offense used a ton of plays where they relied on him to scramble for first downs. Call it a delayed RPO.
Calling 2016 Clemson a run first team isn’t a fact. It’s grabbing a stat and ignoring the context.
Clemson 2016 passed 57 times on Bama and ran 42. 21 of those were Watson.
Clemson’s last two drives in that game were 11 passes, 3 DW runs, and a 1 yard run by Gallman.
Is it impossible for you to admit other perspectives might have some merit? Or are you like a certain contemporary politician, where all other views must be mocked and derided?
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Show me the history of it working over the course of the season.
I will admit that run first while Alabama is fresh is dumb. We haven’t done that. We didn’t get those leads pounding it up the gut. However, you have to be able to run it with the lead otherwise you are going to let them back in the game, as we did twice.
But Alabama isn’t fucking South Carolina.
So you have a distinction between getting to the natty and winning that game vs. Alabama. These are not the same thing at all.
I’ve been very consistent. Running the ball and stopping the run is the key to being the sort of team that gets into the playoff.
But Alabama will put it on your qb and it’s only after he’s effective that the running lanes open up.
If you get up by 10 or more, the clock and Alabama possessions are the enemy. The only answer is running the damn ball. When do you learn how to do that? Week 6 vs. South Carolina.
Facts and history prove me right on all of this.
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You are right that GEORGIA will have to employ that strategy. You are dead wrong that no one has beaten Alabama using a different one.
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I’d say based on recent results that you might want to be up more than just 10 on Bama before you slap a restrictor plate on the offense and try and park the bus — because we’ve seen that’s not worked.
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So you’d be ecstatic watching your team throw three times punt and burn no clock because at least they’re aggressive?
Didn’t work out so well for the falcons.
Chucking it around is great, until it ain’t.
No one knew that better than the guy who brought the forward pass to the sec. SOS would get a lead and salt it away with an OL and a back. Why?
Because that’s smart football.
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Did anybody catch that LSU – Florida game? I kind of liked LSU scoring late to put the game out of reach. I would certainly rather be up 14 points with 4 minutes left than up 7 with 2 minutes left. But I’m not the smartest middle schooler in the room.
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My concern is that we’ll execute and win but it won’t help us against the better teams still to play. Maybe they’ll prove me wrong but I just don’t have much faith that this offensive staff can put the players in the best chance to win or give them the best chance to win.
I don’t believe it’s just a matter of executing when your have two teams of equal talent. You have to have a good gameplan, too. Coley and Smart seem to have ONE gameplan and choose to live and die with execution and talent. The frustrating thing this week has been all this “the team has practiced hard and bought in” and “the OL had a wake up call” and “Fromm…” talk. It really seems like people are afraid to start at the top for whatever reason. I did see one decent article about whether or not our flaws got exposed. Imo, the SC loss was much more about the guys on the sideline and in the booth than even the 4 TOs.
Here’s to better protecting the ball and imposing our will tomorrow.
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Just curious: why were so many plays run right at the SC defense’s two best players? Their nose and that corner are both talked about as first rounders. Isn’t the point of a dozen 5 stars on offense being able to attack the opposition’s weak links rather than constantly putting the oppositions’ best players in position to make plays?
Clemson didn’t run at Quinnen Williams and throw at Xavier McKinney last year. They targeted Savion Smith, a back up corner with 4.6 speed, and toasted him for about 200 yards and 3 TDs. They didn’t “set him up.” They just abused a match up Bama could not handle.
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And to elaborate on your point ASEF….from someone who actually DOES know shit….”Zeier said Fromm had his challenges on account of the Georgia receivers not creating separation.
“We are not creating space, so the windows that we’re having to throw the football into, in many cases it looks like an NFL game, where you’ve got elite defensive backs where your window is extremely small,” Zeier said.”
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So the receivers are suddenly all crap? Three 5 stars and a proven 4 star transfer?
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Ask Eric.
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Doesn’t matter how many stars they got in high school. This is college.
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I would suggest that Coley isn’t doing much to help out. It is possible to scheme receivers open. Instead, we seem to rely on Cager’s acrobatics. When he’s out, we have no plan B.
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If I remember correctly little Petr Carrol was pretty much run out of the state when he chose a safe hide out in Seattle. Check and see if the NCCA was getting ready to drop the floor from under his school if his neck was still in the noose of said school went it went down
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When we saw preseason Bill C’s returning production correlation a lot of us were surprised at the high correlation between returning production in the passing game and winning. Are we seeing that in action? Our WR’s did not win 1:1 battles against SC (and also likely will not win them against Florida or Alabama (if that game even happens)). Our TE’s are not trusted for some reason. Isaac Nauta, Riley Ridley and Mecole Hardman, we needed you to stay! JJ Holloman, we needed you to not be a dumbass!
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I remember that and has forgotten. At the time I honestly didn’t think that stat was going to apply to us. Unfortunately I was very wrong (also I think initially the stat included Holloman). Curious what LSU’s returning production from WR was for this year year.
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2 out of the 5 CFP Era National Champions lost a regular season game to an unranked opponent.
2014 Ohio State
Lost to unranked VA Tech at home, 21-35
2016 Clemson
Lost to unranked Pittsburgh at home, 42-43
Not sure what my point is here. I guess I want to say I’m as frustrated as anyone with our lack of adjustments last Saturday. But I am also frustrated with all those fans and talking heads who take the loss as a guarantee(!) that this season is doomed.
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Hate to say this, and forgive me if this is an unoriginal observation, but the general realization (in which the senator has been prophetic) of the implications of Kirby’s commitment to Manball are beginning to remind me of the growing horror Florida fans felt when it became obvious Will Muschamp would never abandon his own conservative ways even if it cost him his job. Ironic, eh?
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Run heavy offenses do in fact win but unless you show the ability to punish a team that stacks the box your run heavy offense will likely be shut down.
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I swear, I think that soon we will see a quote from Kirby where he says: “I would rather we lose a game sticking to the core principles that I believe are best than to win a game by going to to all this new fangled offense stuff.”
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I’ve got a fresh wrinkle in mind.
How about 400 pound lineman!
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Did not the Dawgs’ most explosive play last year come from Crompton.
Then there was Mecole in 2018, and he left eraly with Edwards.
The slot receiver. Dawgs announced in ’18 they were going to look at the slot more often.
Go back to the Rose Bowl against OU. Their slot receiver was a key player in their offense as well as their flex TE.
Seems better play from the slot could improve the running game.
Noticed Zier mentioned the slot in his comments.
Heavy frosh W/Rs against experienced SEC DBs could not be consistenly productive.
Dawgs do not have a legit slot receiver or flex TE, nor how much time they have had to work thru it.
Some where in there you’d think they would put Herron and Swift in a formation at the same time. One in the slot and the other set to the side of the QB…and in motion.
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#8 is a legit slot player and was open over the middle multiple times in the SC game.
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Throw the damn ball to setup the run. period.
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