I’ve got to say that I’ve never had a stretch where I’ve had so many of you send me Playpen topic suggestions. In fact, to clear the backlog a little, I’m presenting a twofer today.
The first of these is the topic of more suggestions than I’ve ever received before. It’s for a worthy cause you may have heard about (well, given the number of emails and comments I’ve gotten, have heard about is like more accurate), Spencer Hall’s Charity Bowl.
The link to donate is here. With three days to go, they’ve raised almost $300,000 for refugee assistance. Doing good with trash talking is a heady combination. Feel free to jump in.
Today’s second topic comes from MileHighDawg, who assures me it will result in result in ‘lively’ discussion.
The only thing I’m curious about is what a Venn diagram of those supporting Herschel running and those urging other athletes who offer political opinions to “stick to sports” would look like. Why do I have a vision of a perfect circle?
And on that note, the floor is yours in the comments. You don’t have to stick to sports.
Get The Picture 
Can you move to a state and run for office immediately or is that just allowed to vote in a runoff?
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Yes, according to the Constitution you just need to a resident of the state you represent. No time threshold is set on the residency.
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Ask Hillary.
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I seem to recall when Vince Dooley once considered running for the Senate…how did that work out?
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Jake Scott did not approve……..
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Barbara too.
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I think it was Bill Hartman who said that when Vince realized he would have to spend some of his own money he decided elected office wasn’t for him. Seriously, I always suspected that his feedback was that the voters didn’t automatically think that the fact that a guy is an excellent coach has no bearing on whether he will be an excellent candidate or senator.
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He was just ahead of his time. Tuberville got in on the grift.
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Vince was not so subtly told that certain secrets he was holding would be revealed by his competition if he continued his political run.
He decided to opt out.
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I can only imagine what those so-called secrets were. That honestly is the first I’ve heard any of that. I’m curious what skeletons Vince could have in his closet that would immediately derail a political run.
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Jake + Barbara = no thank u
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Vince was worried that the GBI had a file on him regarding possession of cocaine. There was an AJC article in the early 1990s about that.
It stems from a recruiting trip that Vince and a couple of UGA coaches were on in he mid 1980s. Vince and his coaches were staying at a hotel by the Atlanta Airport. He and his coaches went to the hotel lounge one night. Some young women at the bar approached their table wanting to dance with Vince and he coaches. They danced and had a few drinks.
After Vince returned to his room he heard a knock on the door. He opened it and one of the women It was one of the young women in the bar. She asked Vince if he had any cocaine. Vince said “No” and sent her away. Somehow Vince found out that the woman was a GBI trainee. Vince was concerned that the GBI suspected that he would supply cocaine to people.
Vince filed an open records request and as it turns out the woman had filed a report claiming Vince had offered her cocaine, if I recall correctly. The GBI did not act on her report and Vince thought it was a dead issue. The assumption was that the woman was trying to get Vince to give her cocaine to make points with the GBI. When he decided to run for office he got word that an opponent would use the report against him. Vince went on the offensive and made public the events of the night and released his GBI file to get ahead of the story.
It has been over a quarter of a century since the story appeared in the AJC and other newspapers around the State so my memory may not be accurate as to details but that is what I remember. I am sure the article and story is on-line somewhere.
That may not be what Treyinathens is referring to since Vince made the story public but that is the only scandal I am aware of.
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My uncle also saw Vince leaving a hotel room in Madison at 2:30 in the morning back in the late 90s.
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The senators default page photo leads me to believe there was more to Vince than coaching football.
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Compared to every other politician in in DC? Herschel is the easy choice. Truly intelligent and personable with real business experience. The fact he’s not a commie stooge is just icing on the cake.
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Sheeeeetttttttt
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Hey Illini, I saw the Boo Le Bark is back on for this October. I’ll buy you a beer if you’re there.
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My wife is one of the founders and, yes, it looks like it’s on! It’ll have to be a ginger ale, that shipped sailed 26 Yeats ago!
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H2O or green tea for me Illini. Never developed a taste for beer and the hard stuff gives me flashbacks to ass whippings. Now if they ever decriminalize the devils lettuce that will be a different talk.
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They make low profile Depends for that, ya know.
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When you have nothing to say.
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Let’s analyze Walker’s chances without resort to stereotyping. Walker has said he is a Republican, so he would have to win a Republican primary to become Senator. We know David Perdue has said he is running for the seat, so there is at least one Republican with existing name recognition, a political base and deep pockets he would have to beat.
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Actually, Perdue announced in February that he isn’t running in 2022.
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Okay, thanks. My bad
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Purdue isn’t running and I haven’t heard of any other prominent Republican running either. The GOP running Herschel is shrewd bc AA turnout is going to be through the roof with Abrams and Warnock on the ballot. Maybe he can peel enough votes off to make the difference.
That said, ettd. Herschel has gone longer than most without learning that lesson, but it’s gravity.
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I have to believe Doug Collins will run again in ’22, especially since Perdue is not.
Is it me, or was Perdue the least interested-in-retaining-his-seat incumbent politician ever? I truly felt like the guy didn’t care whether he kept the job or not.
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Collins would make the most sense imo. But we’ll see.
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Perhaps you are unfamiliar with Wyche Fowler
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Hershel needs to run as a Democrat.
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You just not follow him on Twitter.
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Must*
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Herschel’s endorsement didn’t move the needle for other Senate candidates in an election year that was also the 40th anniversary of UGA beating ND for a natty. But I’m sure the diminishing returns of calling your opponent a commie liberal socialist radical and basically promising not to govern might work this time.
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Ask the skank he did it for how it worked out.
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Sorry, I mean fascist skank.
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When people resort to name calling immediately….
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Ranger Russ launched the “commie stooge” horseshoe before 8am.
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Gotdam hippies piss me the fuck off almost as bad as commie stooges.
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Hippies…Commies…what’s the difference?
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Kinda like the demising returns of promises to work across the isle have turned into total single party rule.
I’ll never say Herschel is incapable of anything he sets his sights on.
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Y’all bear with me. I’m leading to something here. I remember things that most children usually don’t recall. Being frightened looking through the bars of my crib at the moonlit curtains only to be reassured hearing my dad roll over and breathe for instance. My mom carrying me as she bought Christmas presents for my older siblings and then hiding them in the closet. I saw it all at fourteen months and was expected to believe that Santa Claus bullshit. Ridiculous crap of his fat ass coming down that skinny chimney because it’s magic. All the other children believing had me shaking my head at an early age. It was a fuckn conspiracy I tell ya. All the children were willing ideologues as long as they were getting that bounty from under the tree.
When I was old enough to make myself understood I confronted my Mom with the shocking truth. She told me to keep my mouth shut and to not spoil it for the other kids. Doing as I was told and keeping secrets is something I learned early was in my best interest. At eleven I was on the roof with my eight year old brother-from-another-mother cleaning the gutters. I took the opportunity to show him the small aperture of the chimney and explain the insidious fraud being perpetrated upon us by the benevolent but tyrannical matriarchy. Just trying to help him not be embarrassed as a new member of our Pee Wee football team.
Of course the little bastard ratted me out. Dropped dimes on me to Mom who had my Dad inflict the worst possible punishment. The dreaded talking-to. Just beat my ass and get over with, how ’bout it. However, I learned a great deal from that. Reinforced earlier lessons along with the understanding that some folks don’t want or need to know the truth. For some ignorance is bliss and they get more frivolous presents for toeing the party line. I got a shotgun a year earlier than my peers for being more mature. But nothing else and no more toys.
This rambling diatribe is possibly analogous to our political situation. A vast conspiracy effectuated by a cabal with the ultimate goal of enriching themselves at our expense. It seems that some were beginning to catch on to the whole D vs R, WWE-type artificial conflict. Performing Congressmen going at it tooth and nail in public while having drinks and fine dining together in private while becoming unscrupulously wealthy as their constituents fought and argued bitterly over increasingly vacuous issues. Meanwhile the national debt climbed as did the wealth of the politicians. Infrastructure suffered. Jobs sent out of country. Healthcare cost skyrocketed. Inflation ate away at savings and earnings but was whitewashed by low interest rates. All this was largely ignored by the public as the complicit fourth estate directed attention to emotional hot-button issues such as abortion and gun control.
As the obfuscation began to unravel the cabal introduced a new performer to the stage. One who was more experienced and successful at perpetrating the con job than any before. Trump. The conflict was renewed with ever more intensity. Trump had us believe he was an outsider when in fact he was part of the whole damn scam. Just better at it. Any threat to exposing the entanglements is dealt with overtly. They’re so sure they can get away with anything they only weakly try to cover up. Epstein didn’t kill himself.
Then came the protests over police killings. Riots and looting. Then the crap at the Capitol. The suppression of alternative ideas from social media becoming standard. It seems so damn orchestrated.
People and groups that I once believed were responsible for the great con got wrapped up in the mechanism and became simple partisans who just so happened to benefit. Mostly we are all benefitting for now. But it’s a fairy tale. Shit man, Santa Claus is coming to town. One day it’s going to come crashing down and we will all suffer except for the conspirators. My train of thought has become exhausted. I hope y’all are picking up what I’m laying down.
This is conjecture with no proof except my experience. I just don’t like being played.
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I’ve never believed that any kid over 5 really believes in the fat ass.
They just pretend because it’s expected of them.
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That’s what you’d think, OUD. But there are folks that always believe:
In Santa Claus.
The check is in the mail.
I’m from Brigade HQ and I’m here to help.
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Ranger,
Almost choked on my beverage with I’m from HQ and here to help.
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I dated someone who had a 14 yr old son that still believed in Santa. I told her time and time again that if any other kids found out he would be subjected to merciless mocking from other high schoolers. She finally relented and said she would tell him next year! 😳
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Don’t worry. The FBI is on the mother.
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Thank you RR for this spot on analysis. One USASOC guy to another; I enjoy most of your comments even though I rarely engage in the internets due to general laziness/LOM.
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Bread and circuses my friend. And it will end just as badly this time. Most people have had their head in the sand (or up their own as—s) for a while now.
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The Venn diagram of people encouraging Herschel to run vs people telling other athletes to stick to sports is about as congruent as the Venn diagram of those praising Warnock’s religiosity vs people telling other religious types to stay out of politics. I know irony is always tastier from the other side, but sauce for the goose . . etc.
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I don’t think religious types should stay out of politics. I just think their churches should forfeit their tax-free status when they do. 😉
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Another favorite of mine: 501(c)(3)’s spouting politics! It ain’t just churches friend. That prohibition is observed in the breach more than the 55mph speed limit.
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Amen
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God damn America!
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DammitDrunkenMonken!
The chickens have come home to roost.
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If the chickens have come home to roast let’s gutt’em and grill’em. Hard work is nothing to be scared of just an opportunity to get better.
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I haven’t heard (m)any praising Warnock’s religiosity, what I hear is praise for his refusal to impose his religiosity on others.
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Can I see the video of the “stick to religion” thingy because it sounds like bullshit?
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Well that’s okay. You don’t count.
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Shut up and bullshit.
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Both of those Venn diagrams consist of 100% shit stains.
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I have a high opinion of Hershal’s business acumen, his physical prowess and his football IQ. As for his running for senator. He might win – then again, this aint Alabama. His association with the ex-president is both an asset and a curse. Like a lot of folks that association has tainted him politically.
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Warnock destroyed the Loeffler robot in the debate, but that was largely due to her response algorithm crashing every time it encountered a NaN. You could tell when it was crashing, the catch error response always started with “Radical Liberal” and then some gibberish.
Can Hershel hold up better? Probably, but I watched him that season he was on the Apprentice. Eloquence under pressure didn’t seem to be a strong suit. He’s good under pressure, but he’s a fighter, not a debater.
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The story of Herschel’s mental health issues and physical abuse of his first wife will destroy his candidacy in short order.
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Why would a retired athlete/coach need to stick to sports? Herschel ain’t suiting up anytime soon. Somebody retires and can’t have a second act just because they were an athlete? Actually it’s the trash fans that need stick to fanaticism and shut their damn mouths.
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What’s retired got to do with it?
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Everything!! If I’m not being “asked” to watch him broadcast/compete on the athletic “field of battle” then I have no problem with him being in politics. I just don’t want politics shoved in my face when I’m trying to watch an athletic event. Can’t be any simpler.
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After the playing of the national anthem, I presume.
Exactly how does that happen now?
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The National Anthem shouldn’t be about divisive politics. It should be about affirming all of us as Americans. Unified as a people no matter our team affiliations.
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That’s a nice thought. It’s not reality, though.
Honestly, I don’t get why it’s played before a sporting event in the first place.
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I hear ya, Bluto. I feel the same way now since the National Anthem has been politicized and become just another means of causing controversy. This is a recent phenomenon. It was explained to me as a chap instilled with the proper hatred for my opponent, that once the game was complete, no matter the outcome, that guy across the line from me was my fellow American. Someone with whom I interacted with daily. Leave that shit on the field. That’s why the Anthem was played. Perspective.
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I still get chills when the Anthem is played at the Olympics. Of course that’s after the event…
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Well said.
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Same here. What I feel is odd is as I’ve become older and more jaded, a proper and well sung/played Anthem affects me more emotionally. Maybe it’s wistfulness for what was or what I thought was.
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So to be clear before the game the anthem can be a political item, after the game can bring patriotism out?
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Best reason I’ve heard yet.
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When it is played at an NFL or NBA game? I can agree that there isn’t too much point. Most fans are not paying attention. Where I differ with you, for example, is at the local high school football games. The anthem is played by the school band, and standing for it together with everyone else there- IMO – helps form a sense of community that we don’t get too often in other places. I like it played. I am proud to stand for it. If you don’t want to stand, go get a hotdog. I won’t complain. But don’t complain that most of us still want it played either. That is how this works.
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Like it or not, it’s all US citizens’ National Anthem. So what makes it otherwise partisan?
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Maybe you should ask Mike Pence.
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Like everyone, he has a right to his opinion. His seems to be that right or left, everyone should at least respect the National Anthem, if not the Flag.
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If that’s what you want to believe about that gesture, be my guest.
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I love this country above all others, but I loath any suggestion of compulsory displays of fealty. I’m an American, that better than a dutiful patriot any day of the week and twice on Sundays. I’ll be proud when I’m proud, I’ll clap and stand when I want to. That’s America, the America our Founders intended, and that’s what I’ll fight for….if I feel like it 😀
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“If that’s what you want to believe about that gesture, be my guest.”
Why, thank you, sir!
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If he’s not playing sports, why should he stick to sports? I’m not of the “stick to sports” crowd nor do I concern myself with the opinions of others (especially athletes or entertainers). The histrionics around the whole stick to sports thing bores me but I don’t see it in this case because Herschel is not in sports so why should he stick to them? If any of the the players on our football roster made some comment or demonstration it really wouldn’t register on my radar other than “that’s what they think” and as long as they make plays and leave it on the field so be it. Many times, other than maybe the 1968 Olympics, players making statements beclown themselves in the long run (just like trash fans).
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For me, it’s a function of MJ’s “republicans buy shoes too” stuff. I’m ok if the musical artists, actors, and athletes have politics that don’t align with my views. I pretty much expect it.
That said, the verbiage of a Lebron James or that type of outspoken individual who likens any republican with fascism or racism, makes it that much harder to separate the enjoyment of watching the sport with the disregard the athletes have for me. “I disagree with you on tax and welfare policy” is far different in tone and rhetoric from “you’re a racist if you vote for republicans.”
The escalation in the rhetoric makes it harder to separate the two. That said, once someone steps away from the game, they aren’t part of the sporting event, and if they want to potentially tarnish their reputation with their fans, then have at it.
Nuance is tough in this setting, but I hope that briefly describes the difference for me.
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I hear that, but athletes kneeling during the National Anthem aren’t saying anything at all.
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Then why are they kneeling? “Actions speak louder than words”, right?!
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Sure. I disagreed with the manner in which they did that protest, but I didn’t stop watching the NFL over it.
I did decline to watch the NBA playoffs this past year because of the amount of activism that was on display before, during, and after the games, along with the tone of the rhetoric.
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But he said nothing of the sort:
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/02/19/587097707/laura-ingraham-told-lebron-james-to-shutup-and-dribble-he-went-to-the-hoop
Shut up and dribble was not a response to the sort of comments you mention. Ingraham and the right in general, don’t like people who don’t kiss their asses.
She’ll turn on a dime for something Brees says if she agrees with it. No “shut up and pass” for Drew. Instead she praised him.
The right hates on “Hollywood elite” and elected a long time Screen Actor’s Guild Union President and a reality tv star potus.
Its really “shut up or agree.”
Same with cancel culture. Fine with the Dixie Chicks. Fine to do it to Delta, Coke and MLB. Fine to cancel the 50 some odd things trump has asked to be cancelled over the years.
But cancel Robert E. Lee? How dare they!
Full of shit 24/7/365.
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I do like how your response is linked to my comment, but doesn’t actually respond to anything I stated in my post. I’m not laura ingraham. I’m not a Fox News viewer. I never said shut up and dribble.
other than that, this is a great post.
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If you’re whacking at a straw man just say so. Otherwise it reads like your responding to actual people or events.
There certainly are times when people in entertainment do get out of their lanes. I think the south park guys do a great job of pointing out the excesses.
The “film actors guild” is classic. Among many.
To me, every person, position, action, statement, etc… should be taken on their own merit.
The “shut up and dribble” is just dismissive. Its one thing to say:
Lebron was wrong and this is why.
Its a whole different thing to suggest that he isn’t entitled to speak because he plays basketball.
When you add to that by praising an athlete who agrees with you shortly thereafter then its clear that you’re just fos.
My personal view is: be informed and use your platform for good. As you see it. And be willing to accept the consequences.
Ali is THE sportsman of ALL TIMES in large part because he walked it and he talked it. He may not have always been right, but he was always courageous.
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This is a solid rant, but doesn’t respond to anything I said. I’ll repeat in case you are hard of hearing. I’m not Laura Ingraham, I’m not a Fox News watcher, I never said shut up and dribble.
What I did say is that the manner in which someone protests or brings politics with them to work affects the manner in which I choose to spend my limited free time. I do not watch NBA any more because I simply do not care for them to receive any attention from me due to their unending advocacy towards matters I often disagree with and moreso, disagree in terms of how they advocate. If they simply played basketball and left political commentary to others, I would have continued to watch. For them, it’s worth more to be an activist than to have me watch them play. Life is full of decisions and consequences.
I didn’t like kneeling for the national anthem with the NFL, but I didn’t stop watching, because the advocacy was often also matched with proactive steps to partner with people in their community on things they cared deeply about. Many have tried to walk a fine line of advocacy and not turning off fans who may disagree with components of that advocacy. I respect the heck out of that.
It’s almost like there’s nuance and opportunity to pursue one’s goals without resorting to calling the other side the spawn of Hitler.
I look forward to your response that doesn’t reference anything I have said here.
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He’d have to beat Marjorie in the primary. I put the odds of that around zero.
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There is no way the state GOP is dumb enough to let her run for Senate. Warnock is vulnerable, but she will get curbstomped if she gets out of her R +27 district.
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Please! Take her away from my district!
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Yeah, we had a real shit sandwich to choose from in the 14th- a kooky carpetbagging female or a bought and paid for Chinese stooge. And both ran as Republicans.
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She will run over the State GOP. Because she basically IS the State GOP at the grass roots.
Republican Primaries have become shameless exercises in theatrical pandering and flat out lies. Loeffler and Perdue were transparently playing an act.
MGT is the real deal. She will walk away with the primary.
General election, she’d be very vulnerable, but she’s crazy, and she doesn’t care
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If ever retaking Cobb and Gwinnett and avoiding losing their margins in Forsyth and Cherokee matters to them, the will cut bait with Qaren as quickly as humanly possible, no matter the short term cost.
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Cobb and Gwinnett are gone Dem…the demographics have spoken.
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Put a non clown on the top of the ticket and watch them swing back.
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Cobb has not so much gone blue as they have gone anti Trumpism. Ditch the RINO Trumpsters and bring back the GOP Cobb is winnable.
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I would personally say that primaries on both sides have become pandering and lies to the most extreme of each base and it is why moderate candidates can’t get in generals and the ultimate reason that elections have become the lesser of two evils time after time.
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US politics to a T, probably the most honest words on politics I have read.
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The primary system does tend to produce extreme candidates. But we moderates have to punish the party most off the rails.
The political dynamic over the next 4 decades isn’t R-v-D or C-v-L. It’s M-v-E: moderates versus extremes. Confining the MTGs and Tlaibs to their tortuously gerrymandered congressional districts.
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I wish all of my favorite entertainers would stay out of politics in general, and that goes for athletes, musicians, actors, etc. I used to love U2, but Bono is a douche. Can’t listen to Stranglehold without thinking Ted Nugent is a right wing nut. Thought Chelsea Handler was funny once, but she is an complete idiot as seen on twitter. It really is more complex than “shut up and dribble.”
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Staying off twitter is a great start to be isolated from celebs and their so called “opinions”.
Not giving a shit about twitter is apparently one of the best things I’ve ever done.
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I get raw, unbiased news reporting in Twitter from people on the ground near the event. A side affect is I do see retweets of dumb celebrity opinions
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Most everything someone says has a bias of some sort..unless they are reciting multiplication tables.
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Mostly referring to unedited video.
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Ted is still entertaining!
https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2021/04/12/ted-nugent-mentions-18-covids-thats-not-how-covid-19-got-its-name/
Typical winger “commonsense.” Its the functional equivalent of “stupid.”
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Dumbass right winger probably believes in chromosomes, too.
#Sience
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Bono just takes himself way too seriously!!
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What sport is Herschel an athlete in?
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I love Herschel Walker for everything he has done for the University of Georgia and the larger community as a whole. However, I’ve seen little to suggest that he needs to be in the United States Senate. Now, that isn’t to say that he isn’t smarter and more qualified that other people who have found their way into the Senate or who currently are there (I’m looking at you, Senator Tuberville). I’m just saying that I’d like to return to a time when we elected seriously qualified people for serious jobs. Celebrity shouldn’t be a factor.
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Thishere. Anybody who thought it’s be a good idea to re-run the Presidential election cain’t be too smart, even if he is a DGD GOAT.
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People get elected to the Senate to get richer…that’s my take.
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Sadly, there’s a lot of truth to that, PTC.
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1701, how about the times when there was such a thing as the “citizen representative”, who did his duty to run for office, serve the people, and then come home after a term or so to private citizenship?
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How about people who aren’t trying to be half-assed entertainers and simply want to serve their constituents?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/john-boehner-gop-today-cbs-this-morning/
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I’m familiar with the concept, yes. And, indeed it does work at lower levels of government. Your city council members or your state representatives certainly would fit that bill. And for those who have proven themselves to be effective leaders, legislators, or government executives, taking on a higher office such as the United States Senate is certainly a possibility, after which perhaps they can return to private citizenship if they so choose. Look, Herschel Walker was successful as an athlete and he has been successful in his business venture(s) so far as I can tell. But elected office is a different animal and I see no reason to think running a food distributorship in Dallas qualifies you to be one of Georgia’s US Senators. For the record, I also did not see what Senator Warnock’s qualifications were. At least Ossoff had knowledge and experience from working in government. I’d like to see my “citizen representatives” be people who have a resume that makes me think they’ll be effective, especially when you’re talking about one of our state’s only two shots at it in the higher house of Congress.
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Term limits and a law that disallows any former member of Congress from working as a lobbyist for 10 years after leaving would go a long way.
The issue is how many terms is appropriate. I don’t believe 1 term is logical, it does take time to become an effective legislator.
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Agreed. Due to the differences in terms between the Senate and House, I think that it would have to be more along the lines of years (e.g. 2 Senate and 4 or 6 House).
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I have been saying this for years. Always meant to be a temporary position and return home to your job/career after service.
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There is a learning curve and like any job, it takes time to grow into it. But yeah, it needs to be limited. If nothing else, you allow younger generations to actually break in and bring fresh perspectives. There is no reason for either Chuck Grassley or Diane Feinstein to still be in the Senate. We don’t need 87 year olds running things.
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Term limits are anti-democratic. Artificial barriers to choices are wrong.
Clinton should have been allowed to run again.
How many guys can do that job well? Find one and stick with it.
Still can’t figure out how we’d have been better off had pearl harbor happened in the first year of a first term president rather than the first year of FDR’s third term.
3.5 years later both the Japanese and Germans were done.
President “who the fuck knows” does as well?
I’m skeptical.
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There is a rational solution here that reasonable people can agree on. The problem is that the 2 party system disincentives rationality and pragmatism.
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Sure but then parliamentarianism gives all the levers of power to one side.
The benefit of our system, which I would argue can only support two parties, is that we’re always balanced in terms of competing ideologies which is probably more important than being divided equally along party lines. Both parties have been liberal and conservatives on different issues over time and as that changes and morphs, the electorate decides where the middle line is.
It makes it slower, uglier and less efficient than a parliamentary system that can support multiple parties, but some (I) would argue thats a feature. It can be frustrating but we’re not headed anywhere, good or bad, in a hurry.
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That is why the Supreme Court ruled that the Congress will have to pass a Constitutional amendment on term limits, that ain’t going to happen.
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With the advantages the incumbent has, I see term limits being a good thing. New ideas are needed at times. IF term limits are good enough for the POTUS, they are certainly good enough for Congress…see my note above, check the net worth upon taking office and when leaving office…astronomical differences come to mind.
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The concerns present for when one person is running one of three branches of government for an extended period of time are NOT present with 1 person holding one of 535 seats in one branch of government.
Its apples and elephants.
And like I said, we only had one guy who ran for a third presidential term and it worked out pretty damn well for the country.
New ideas shouldn’t have a greater value than voter choice in a democracy.
If you hate incumbents, then vote against yours, every time.
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70-85 million dead in a world war, plus the Great Depression? It’s a left-wing success story!
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Possibly the dumbest shit I have read. We are all now dumber for having looked at it. I award you no points and may god have mercy on your soul.
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Hey, I’m with you, buddy. Most of those tens of millions who died were white! So that’s great. Plus the New Deal ballooned government and sold generations on the notion that only government could solve the problems created by government. It’s leftist genius! What could go wrong?
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It’s not a real Playpen thread until Nap goes all “Hey, I’m with you” on somebody. 😉
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In fairness, the years after WWII and FDR have been America’s darkest days. In 1932 we were not anywhere close to the world’s preeminent superpower and then, after three plus years of gross leftist mismanagement, we were.
Pitiful.
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Shit “terms” not “years”
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Those are great points, Derek. A Great Depression and a war is unquestionably the path to prosperity.
To us leftists, it’s simply obvious that removing your most productive workers from the labor force to be killed in foreign lands, diverting resources from private, productive means in order to build tanks and ships, and massively expanding government with projects like CCC camps which paid people to dig holes and fill them back in, is the way to becoming a superpower.
That’s why Derek, Grafton, and I reject all economic calculations of prosperity that don’t include aircraft carriers. Those things are gold mines for the average Joe!
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G, did you know that the conservative? or libertarian? or fucktarded? response to Pearl Harbor and Germany’s declaration of war on us was to opt out? Surrender? Something….
I can’t decide if that’s a product of nazi sympathy or organic brain damage. Both?
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I wonder if middle school will ever teach American history pre-2007?
It’s amazing how some children just assume that the United States was minding its own business, not taking sides on any issues, when all of a sudden the Huns attacked. I mean, I’ve never heard of Lend-Lease, or the economic hardships imposed by the Treaty of Versailles, or the oil embargo of Japan, or anything else that could have possibly been a contributing factor.
Nope. I learned in middle school, “Our side good. Their side bad.” And as a leftist, I have no intellectual curiosity to look beyond those kinds of tropes. What’s the best outcome for the world when countries conflict over scarce resources and humanitarian atrocities? 80 million dead people. Obviously!
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D, It has to be a little bit of both. I mean we coulda, maybe just let Germany keep doing whatever the hell they wanted and just ignored the Japanese bombing us. Ya know just brush it of as if some white supremacist D bags stormed the capital to try to overturn the election its no big deal right? Some would be better by just letting their cat walk across the keyboard and hit reply than to blame all the dead in WWII and the great depression on progressive leadership. I thought that era the New Deal helped create is they bygone era all the MAGATs want to get back to anyway.
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G,
It appears that nazi sympathies have a very strong lead.
But don’t count out brain damage just yet!
If you’ve ever wondered whether there were people who had an unnatural lust for Neville Chamberlain, well, that’s why we playpen.
(In secret, I’d bet the real fave brit of such “persons” is Oswald Mosley.)
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D,
Dummies love Fascism when their not the ones absorbing the ill effects of said fascism. And the greatest tactic the fascist likes to use is to call everyone who opposes their fascism “the real fascists” because you know they’re not being fascist, they’re just being patriots and stuff.
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Hey, easy guys. I’m every bit as bloodthirsty as you are. Aren’t I joining in the cheerleading of tens of millions of deaths? I mean, better to sacrifice millions of young men than to have a nuanced foreign policy that some twenty-first century wokeist middle schoolers can denounce as weak. I think we can all agree on that.
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Ah, Zinn history. Too bad ol Howard wasn’t a mathematician. Then all his lies could be easily disproven. Zinn history as math would be 2+2=22. To the simple or mal educated that is perfectly understandable. To anyone with any common sense or who has actually added 2 and 2 that is sheer idiocy. Zinn’s lies are a perfect platform for the venal commies masquerading as “educators”. The only folks that believe his version of history are the stupid, gullible, those with a nefarious agenda or any combination of the three.
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In addition to gaining the unconditional surrender of Japan and Germany in less than 4 years, FDR was elected and then re-elected thrice in large part for lessening the blow of the great depression that started 3.5 year BEFORE he took office.
October 1929
March 1933
It might be of note to you that some are so fucktardedly stupid that they either don’t know that history OR think that the vast majority of Americans are too dumb to vote for the right candidate 4 times in a row.
Its like some people literally have no brain functioning at all.
Sad!
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Those are great points straight out of middle school text books. And for people who learned nothing afterwards, we can forgive their righteous indignation rooted in ignorance.
We now know that FDR’s actions with the New Deal (which was an expansion of Hoover’s policies that FDR cynically campaigned against) prolonged and deepened the Great Depression.
We also know that voters enjoy free stuff. Otherwise, states like New York wouldn’t need electioneering laws. Even if that free stuff comes at a societal cost. The tragedy of the commons is a real thing. But that’s an advanced concept that some people might be exposed to in high school.
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This is how to free stuff the Republican way! Have give aways to people who already have stuff!! Imagine how much richer the rich could have gotten with negative interest rates AND lower taxes! Socialism is terrible and has societal costs, for those in need anyway. If you’re a billionaire, then we just need to shovel more into you fat fucking sewer and call it “conservative.” After all a inheritee can’t have too many jets and helicopters can he? Meanwhile literacy, health care, shelter and food for the poors is way overrated and where would the money come from?
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-17/the-rich-are-minting-money-in-the-pandemic-like-never-before
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If we don’t give all the money to the rich, the poors might not be quite as poor. We can’t have that. If whats left of the middle class has no one to look down on, where does the incentive go to keep clocking in everyday for their corporate masters?
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Good points. Woodrow Wilson established the Federal Reserve system. He was obviously a Republican, or something. Now that Democrats control both houses of Congress, as well as the presidency for only the twentieth time since the Federal Reserve Act was enacted, I’m sure they’ll get right on repealing such elitist legislation. I’m sure they wanted to before now, but it’s the twentieth time that’s the charm.
Meanwhile, while we can all agree that while the profligate printing of money for the benefit of the rich and middle class is awful economic policy, the profligate printing of money for the benefit of the poor is pure, unadulterated, middle school genius! Inflation is only bad is poor people aren’t getting in on the action!
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Grafton what dumbasses miss is the part where the fed creates wealth that would lost if we didn’t have a sound monetary policy AND the part where because the very rich are being insulated from the harsh realities of an unregulated market perhaps they could contribute more to their country and their countrymen by way of modest tax increases rather than massive tax breaks. You know why dumbasses miss those points?
I’ll give you one guess.
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“An almost hysterical antagonism toward the gold standard is
one issue which unites statists of all persuasions.” – Alan Greenspan
Yes, who needs sound money based on something like gold or silver when we can have a much more enlightened fiat currency based on the printing press? When inflation was limited by hard money, citizens could save simply by socking away dollars in a bank or even under their mattresses. But with inflation, we’ve now forced every person desiring to save to become a financial wizard overseeing investments and hoping to outpace inflation. Isn’t that better?
It’s not things like politicians disconnecting money from constraints that have led to runaway inflation. It’s lack of regulation, or something. Sure, we had decades of regulation and dozens of regulatory agencies before the crash in 2008, but that only proves that we need MORE regulation. If we had had a few more regulatory agencies, it never would have happened. Seriously. We learned about this in middle school.
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It’s the mentality of “One day with my hard work I might be rich too and I don’t want my tax dollars going to help those lazy good for nothing poor people”.
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Hey, I’m with you Grafton. Who owns the wealth of the rich? The government! What do we call letting rich people keep their own property? A giveaway! What do people never respond to? Incentives!
#MiddleSchoolEconomics
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You are twice as funny as you are smart and you’re nowhere near as smart as you think you are.
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I’m just your typical leftist. I’m smart, funny, stunning, brave, and completely committed to my fervent belief in 57 genders, forever war, and worship of the state.
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What time was that?
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Spencer’s charity reminded me of something I’d forgotten. So he’s raising money for a cause that would normally divide us here at GTP. Immigration. I don’t care if it’s legal or illegal immigration he supports. He’s assisting future Americans. I’m right of center but that’s a cause I can support and did. We here have our tribes and all discussions fall along those lines. Aren’t there issues that unite us? Political ones, I’m speaking of. Don’t we have common goals somewhere?
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I think Americans have lots of common goals in a broad sense, but the differences start popping up when you get into specifics. For example, I’m guessing that most people are against their tax dollars being wasted by federal/state/local government. But when asked what programs they consider wasteful, that’s where people start to disagree.
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The charity he’s supporting serves refugees specifically, not immigrants as a whole. While not everyone supports welcoming refugees, you find more support for refugees than you might find for immigration in general.
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Don’t tell Steven Miller that.
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Well, I’d originally typed “everyone supports welcoming refugees” and then I remembered the Steven Millers of the world.
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This is Georgia, where politics and common sense never collide. Like the time MTG got 43k votes in a Republican primary and her Terry College of Business, Wharton-educated, Air Force Major opponent got 3k.
As long as Herschel rides a horse in the homecoming parade with a #34 jersey on, he’d beat the second coming of George Washington.
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15 years ago, this may have been true. But that was before trump poisoned the well with college educated suburbanites.
Cheap parlor tricks don’t work as effectively with those voters. And they always vote.
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The GA 14th Republican primary says otherwise. It was a race to the fringe and who could say and do the basest things.
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That’s district is also not representative of the state as a whole, or of the North Atlanta suburbs that they need to flip back.
It’s the second most red district in the state.
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Pretty sure MTG is a Terry grad.
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This is fact. And is easily the least impressive thing on the resume of one of her opponents.
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Walker(all of them)>>>Warnock.
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Serious question: Would Herschel’s admitted mental health issues not be an obstacle to his campaign? Granted, that doesn’t appear to be a disqualification in our current/past office holders.
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Wait… did you just answer your own question? 😉
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Sadly I think you’re right.
However, does his specific diagnosis give you pause?
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No. His utterances during the last election, his absence from the state for years and his lack of qualifications for the office do, though. Not to mention that I would hate to see partisan politics corrode his popularity as the best college football player I’ve ever seen.
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or that ever was… And whoever is second is a distant second.
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While I agree about HW being the best, there is a pretty good debate about how “distant” the next player is.
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Slot someone in there and I’ll demonstrate.
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Greg Talley
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You may be surprised to learn than any other answer would be almost as easy to rebut as yours.
In trying to find a second place finisher, in the end, they’re gonna be nearer to Greg than to HW.
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Well said.
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HW is retired Senator. And he isn’t using his work time on the team to spout off. For me, the line is drawn when someone is actually at work (i.e in the office, on the field, etc.) and taking that time to get on TV, or in front of others, and push politics. But that’s just me. I have no issue with Labron James doing his thing off the court. Or any other superstar. But don’t do it after you suit up for a game. I feel the same way about Delta CEOs and so on.
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I agree. If you’re employed then shut up!
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Are you employed? Your comment was posted at 9;38 AM which is during business hours for most of us…
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What day is this?
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That’s not what I wrote. You probably know that. The point is, if you want to spout personal political statements, do it on your own dime. Don’t expect me to watch you do it when I have to pay for it as a taxpayer (college sports) or as a customer (companies, professional sports teams, etc.).
As I wrote, “I don’t care if Lebron James doing is thing off court”. Of course, I write this again, thinking just maybe, you’ll see my point. But hey, if saracasm is your thing keep on keeping.
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You pay for college sports as a taxpayer?
That’s “saracasm” ain’t it?
Now this will really get you going:
It just ticks off all the things you hate don’t it?
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So, only people who don’t work for a living on television or “in front of others” (whatever that means) should run for office? Or just not current athletes?
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BTW, it’s a rather artificial distinction to insist “he isn’t using his work time on the team to spout off”. It’s his time playing for UGA that gives him the notoriety to make him a viable possibility to run.
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Thanks for the charity bowl. I guess I was the one person that hadn’t heard of it.
As for Herschel, he will always be a DGD in my book, and the greatest player I’ve ever seen, but I’d hate to see him in politics. Especially the shitshow it is now.
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Okay, so where do I read all the smack talk from the Charity Bowl donations? I need to work up the proper amount of hate to donate.
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Twitter, where else? 🙂
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I just don’t see why Herschel would want to get involved. He’s a hero. Keep it that way. If he gets into politics he’ll just diminish himself and his legacy.
If you look at it logically, is the guy who is pushing 34 to run better or worse off since he announced in 2015? Very difficult to argue that his reputation has prospered with the public. A fresh revenue stream stocked with suckers was gained but that’s about it. 34 doesn’t seem to me to be insincere enough to play that con.
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I can agree with that…
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Agree.
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I’ll take a hard pass on the overall pics.
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Yeah, I don’t need to see Spencer from the neck down. Spencer from the neck up is about all the Spencer I can handle.
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Thanks for sharing the charity bowl! Looks like the nerds are ahead of us in the standings by quite a lot. That just ain’t right. Sure would be a shame if we were to beat them at this as well…
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Lots of comments without a single mention about Herschel’s diagnosed dissociative identity disorder. I would think this alone would disqualify him with voters from public office, but then again this is the modern Republican party and being crazy can be seen as an asset.
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So long as each personality inside of Herschel knows that trump really won the election, then he’d do fine in the primary.
Now if he starts talking about evidence, proof or science he may have problems getting to a general.
Its very important when running for office as a Republican to follow the script. It begins with this premise:
What is something that no reasonable person would ever believe?
Then say that. Its electoral gold in much of the state.
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I mentioned it above, no one caught it.
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I’m sure you’ll be willing to say that to his face.
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EE, thats one of your very very rare absurd comments. Expect better from you dude.
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If Walker runs nobody in politics is going to tackle him.
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If nothing else, can we ALL please donate, and beat GTU in the Charity Bowl? Also, if the amount raised hits $1M, Spencer has to shave his beard. That’s worth good money, in my book.
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Maybe someone should tell Raphael Warnock to stick religion.
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And Hice ands Collins?
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He doesn’t appear to have much aptitude for that, either.
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“Two Corinthians.”
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Ouch.
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This pissed me the fuck off earlier in the week. The Tennessee fan, grandmother type, hillbilly, one each, who said the greatest day in her life was when the vols won the NC.
What sort of vapid life must one lead that a football game is the greatest thing that ever happened? I’ll guarantgotdamtee y’all I enjoyed when the Junkyard Dogs won the NC on Jan 1,1981. But the greatest day in my life?
No.
Seeing my sweetheart smile in her wedding dress.
Holding my first nephew the same day would be right up there until he puked all over my dress blues and my vintage 1942 silver Jump Wings.
Graduating from the University of Georgia.
Pinning my butter bars back on my collar and Patrol cap right after I earned my Ranger Tab and only smiling at the next Sergeant that tried barking orders at me. Yeah, that was great.
I’ve had some great days. I hope my greatest day awaits.
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Holy shit bro, I never pegged you to be an officer. You’re entirely too cool to claim something like that. Well perhaps yall were a different breed since you got a decade or so on me.
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Mustang y’all call it. Basic and AIT at Ft Sill. Gunny Sergeant Weihre was my FDC instructor for a few weeks. Moved to FO. Liked that a lot. Branched Infantry as O.
You know the hardest part of getting promoted from Buck Sergeant to Butter Bar?
They stick a steel pipe up your nose and suck half your brain out.
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I enlisted after college. Every time I screwed up in Basic (Ft. Benning), my DS’s would say, “You woulda been a great officer.”
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Munsoning, that’s a helluvathing. 12 week Basic Combat Training and AIT was a great substitute for EST or other aggression training course, didn’t cost $400 bucks, not only was it free but they actually paid you for it. While you’re there you could lose a few pounds. Dewey Oxburger recommended.
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Dewey! Surprised no GTP commenter has picked that name. I was at Benning for a 16-week OSUT as an 18X. This was 2004, right after Rumsfeld created a direct pipeline to SF. Sucked at pushups then, suck at them now.
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Munsoning, are you a tall man or lanky? Pushups are tougher on those body types. I had a little trouble in third grade doing the required exercises at football practice. I reckon I was sort of a motard and set about remedying my physical deficiencies. Pushups or setups during commercials every night until I reached total muscle failure made life easier during practice and later military schools. I’m paying for that now. Setups are a terrible exercise and wrecked my lower back. Well, that, running in combat boots and a few hard landings. Shoulder surgeries came later.
That’s what’s amazing about Herschel. His exercise regimen has remained unchanged for fifty years. The physical abuse he endured is unimaginable and he still looks as if he could suit up and rush for 200 yard against FU.
I had supper and beers with Mike Steele and some UGA Ranger buddies a few years ago. True fuckn no shit heroes. Col Steele (ret) appeared in peak condition at 55. He’s one hard Man, a real Ranger and suffered physical abuse for over forty years. Yet there he was, still in shape to lead the Rakkasans on a 10 mile run.
All men were created equal. They simply weren’t fabricated the same. Some of the boys were born with extraordinary physical and mental gifts and no amount of working out or studying will make the average man their match. However, you can accomplish remarkable feats if you work hard with what you got. Tip your hat to those more gifted and keep in mind that Sam Colt made men equal. Eugene Stoner gave you the advantage if you’re willing to train and maintain.
Go Dawgs!
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*I was lanky when I got in, RR–six-two, a buck sixty-five. I stayed pretty lanky till I got out, having seen the beauty spots you do see when your job is to do bad things to bad people. Went back to school and started visiting the gym for basic barbell training. That’s when I realized how weak I was. Less weak now, with more meat on the bones. All it takes is squatting, deadlifting, benching, pressing, and eating about twice as many calories as the FDA says you need. After four years of MREs, the eating was the easy part. Yeah, lifting means injuries, but I get hurt far less often than I did doing Army PT, rucking, and running.
*I read about Col. Steele in Bowden’s book. Good to hear that he’s still going strong. Sounds like you’re doing the same, shoulders and back be damned.
*Herschel was to college football what Achilles was to war. Just unstoppable. His mama must have dipped him in Johnson County’s answer to the river Styx.
*You take care of yourself, RR.
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https://startingstrength.com/training/maybe-you-are-a-special-snowflake
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Hershel has become much more than an young, green athlete, he is a grown man who by all accounts has been successful with his professional endeavors post football.
So, if he wants to throw his hat in the political arena because he feels like he can make a difference, then more power to him. He has then move beyond “talk” in effort to take “action”.
No issues here.
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Herschel can kiss my ass. He can give Trump a blow job on his own time. The fact he admires Trump tells you all you need to know. He’s an amoral dumbass. The biggest danger to our country is that 75 million cannot recognize a psychopath.
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I hear ya man. All hail the dementia patient.
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Gas prices went up the 1st 2 years of Trump and then they lost the House. We’re getting back to those prices with the world wanting to get out of the house.
https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=pet&s=emm_epmr_pte_nus_dpg&f=m
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Horse shit.
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This is not a sentiment I can endorse.
He may be misguided, but I think he’s sincere and well meaning. Just really really wrong.
If Ali can follow conman like Elijah Muhammed and get a pass, so can Herschel as far as I’m concerned. People get suckered. People also change.
Didn’t Coach Dooley endorse the jackass too?
I’m willing to concur that trump support is a good indicator that you may well be a completely useless asshole, but I hesitate to make it determinative of the matter for all purposes or for all times.
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Disagree.
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Derek,
I do agree with Ali the greatest sportsman all time. Maybe not in the way you do. No idea how old you are. He certainly more than any single person changed the way pop culture or sports stars influenced American and I’ll add the world. He was way more than a boxer. No one has ever been in my lifetime more glorified for calling himself the greatest, prettiest or whatever best ever you want then him. I paid to see all his big fights live and was in his corner. Now looking back at my youth things are not so clear. I see that’s where this look at ME and shouting down those that disagree started to gain social credit.
I’ll always believe every person should be allowed to voice their opinions freely. If your a public figure or business words can effect your value.
I’ll never believe in silencing those that disagree with me. I’ll never understand why we can’t have honest debate on issues anymore. Everyone seems so angry. Like why when you score or make a great play do so many scream in anger. Look at the photo of Ali standing over a defeated Sonny Liston in Lewiston Maine it’s the first time in my life I saw anger in victory glorified.
Yes I know the backstory of how horrible Ali was treated prior becoming King of the World his words. More wrongs to innocents don’t make you right.
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The biggest three factors in denigrating debate in my opinion are:
1) demonizing the other side as a substitute for a debate on the issues.
2) ignoring inconvenient facts where they don’t suit your argument.
3) infotainment as a substitute for information.
If your opponent is evil, has never done anything but destroy America and all you respond to are public figures who gain attention like a Kardasian does rather than a statesman there will be communication issues.
What we have to do is recognize that ideologies while instructive in describing the debate are all flawed in their applications. We have to recognize that there is something called truth and jealously guard it. We have to turn away from the clowns and towards those who are serious people who, whether you agree with them or not, care more about public service than public titillation.
In short, applaud Kinzinger, Cheney, Boehner, Romney etc… for speaking out and get rid of the boot lickers like Graham and Cruz and Johnson, etc…
(Yes there is a both sides argument at some level but the lefts lunatic fridge hasn’t instigated an insurrection from inside the oval office. So please stop the “both sides” bs.)
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The yankee Army measured Muhammad Ali’s IQ at 78. In his autobiography Ali, aka Cassius Clay, stated, “I only said I was the greatest, not the smartest.”
Oh well.
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Bless your heart.
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*Oops. Meant as a reply.
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Damn, I’ve never liked so many comments in a playpen before. What are y’all trying to do to me, get me interested in politics? I blame Ranger Russ and his Santa Claus analogy. I’m a sucker for Christmas.
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Lemme know when donations for actual Americans are being asked for.
Nobody wants to hear a current athlete preach political crap. Just play the game … it’s why fans watch. Once your playing career is over, you can preach all you want.
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“Actual Americans”. Donate to what you want to Proud Boy.
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I guess Spencer Ackerman is officially a Nazi.
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Wow! Mueller and the Senate couldn’t find the info to nail this down. But Biden’s Treasury did it! And with less investigative powers! And they certainly wouldn’t just push a hoax. Not again. That would be too embarrassing.
We all need to watch Rocky IV on a loop while chanting, “Russiagate” over and over. It will make sense then.
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Okay, Comrade
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https://twitter.com/KTMcCormick2/status/1382746677656768516
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https://twitter.com/AshaRangappa_/status/1382815631330791430
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