Yesterday’s news about Oklahoma and Texas putting out feelers to the SEC about a conference switch from the Big 12 managed to be surprising and not surprising at the same time, especially when you reflect that the proposed move, like everything else driving college football these days, is about money. The Big 12’s deal with Fox is pretty anemic, given the market. A move to the SEC gives the two schools and their new conference tremendous clout with Mickey (and in turn lets ESPN deliver a nice kick in the balls to a competitor).
How lucrative would that move be? Lucrative enough that Texas could ditch the Longhorn Network and come out ahead financially. If you don’t think the parties have already begun feeling out Disney about the numbers, you’re kidding yourself.
My gut feeling on this is simple: if the money is there, the deal will be done. That’s all fine for the conference and the schools, but what’s in it for us fans?
What’s in it for us is that this gives Sankey a terrific opportunity to repair the damage done to SEC scheduling by Mike Slive’s move to expand to 14 schools so that the SEC could fix the shitty TV contract Slive had previously negotiated with ESPN. Best of all, it doesn’t take any three-dimensional chess moves, like pods or other convoluted arrangements, to restore some normality.
It could be done in three steps.
- Flip Missouri to the West and move Alabama and Auburn to the East.
- Go to a nine-game (7-2) conference schedule.
- Eliminate the permanent cross-division game.
Here’s what the conference would look like after step one.
The geography is sensible. Even better, look at how many traditional rivalries are preserved/restarted: Texas-TAMU, Oklahoma-Texas, Alabama-Auburn, Alabama-Tennessee, Auburn-Georgia and Florida-Georgia, for starters. (As a bonus, we get back what used to be a very entertaining series in Auburn-Florida.)
A nine-game conference schedule for most schools means ditching a cupcake game. Again, from a fan perspective, this is a desirable outcome. It’s even more desirable from ESPN’s perspective, as it increases the number of conference games to broadcast.
As for part three, with the geographic realignment depicted above, there’s only one significant permanent cross-division game that’s affected, Florida-LSU, and, judging from Dan Mullen’s comment at SEC Media Days, nobody on Florida’s end will miss it if it’s gone. The positive benefit from doing that is, even with going from 14 to 16 teams overall, the time frame for a team to cycle through the entirety of the cross-divisional schedule is reduced from six years to three-and-a-half. Every SEC player will have the opportunity to play against every team in the conference during his college career.
I grant you if the money’s there, the rest of this is irrelevant in terms of decision making, but in terms of good will and fan interest, it’s huge. Now, if only we could count on the suits not to screw it up…
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UPDATE:
Hey, a blogger’s gotta do what a blogger’s gotta do.
While I think 16 benefits pods more than anything, that division split actually seems fair. One sign of that is the comments on Twitter to the map – half are arguing the east is too strong the other half are arguing the west is too strong.
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This approach is so sensible that it’s guaranteed not to happen when Texas/OU join.
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Exactly right – they’ll screw it up somehow.
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One other positive could be the initiation of an annual Georgia-Alabama rivalry. If this happens, it will get nasty very fast. The two schools and fan bases have traditionally viewed each other through the prism of “the enemy of my enemy is my friend.” I can’t imagine it would be friendly for long. The renewal of the Barners and the Handbags will also be a net add … just make them play the week before the Cocktail Party while we take a bye.
If Texas is serious about folding the LHN into the SEC Network (call them SEC Network East and SEC Network West), this deal is all but done.
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Yeah, and then we wouldn’t even have the luxury of an east title.
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Hirsute, I’m with you, I think…
Look, call me what you want; sophomoric, selfish, cowardly, whatever, I just don’t relish the idea of having to play the bammers every year.
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I believe Kirby and UGA recruit even better selling the fact we will play Alabama every year. This is a huge plus for the Dawgs.
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To get where UGA football wants to go = playing the bammers every year, no one said it would taste good…
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Exactly, and in a 12-team playoff, we’re likely to play them multiple times in a season. I have to give Alabama the credit Nick Saban deserves … to get what you want in the SEC, you eventually have to go through the Tide.
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I already feel like Bama-Georgia isn’t a very friendly affair especially with the viewpoint of many Gumps that Kirby is traitorous bastard.
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A lot of us thought Kirby was a traitorous bastard when he left CMR at the altar in 2009-10.
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I don’t blame at all for that move…or non move.
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I said then why would he save CMR when he would be locking himself out of his dream job? Under a best case scenario it turns into a Fulmer drama when he does get the job.
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Entering 2010, Richt wasn’t on the ropes. If this were 2013-14, sure, why would Kirby go help Richt right the ship?
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Gives new meaning to “The world wide leader”…
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that will be the sticking point, don’t believe TX would do it……they have proven it time and time again.
oh well, “cruiting season ” is still going on, it will die down when it is over imo.
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All the leaks appear to be coming from Austin (that tells me Texas wants in and is willing to give up the LHN to do it). Mickey wants an exit strategy from the LHN (they are losing money on it). What better way for both to get what they want than to join forces with the SEC.
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yeah, I’m sure they do….but I believe they want their cake and want to eat it too (network).
guess we will see…
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As I said yesterday, there is no way Texas A&M, Bama (and Auburn), Georgia, Tennessee, LSU, Kentucky (as the basketball Alabama) and Florida go along with this proposed expansion with Texas maintaining the LHN.
The LHN is the poison pill in all of this. If Texas is arrogant enough to demand this, the SEC will tell Texas and Oklahoma to pound sand. If Texas is willing (and ESPN will likely be very happy) to rebrand the network as the SEC Network West and share the revenues, this thing is as good as done.
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LHN isn’t going to be an issue. Texas knows that SEC schools signed away their 3rd party media rights and it’ll have to in order to join. They’re going to come out ahead with the new TV deal.
This move is about the money. UT wouldn’t come if the pay wasn’t better.
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Exactly – LHN was “groundbreaking” 10 or 12 years ago, but media landscape has changed significantly since (understatement of the decade!) and it is no longer a transformational crown jewel like the Very Smart People (TM) thought it was going to be.
And let’s face it – the SECN could use some additional/new content, as could the LHN – so combining them is a “win-win” and actually an easy call for everyone I think at this point….
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Exactly. Upset the 12 remaining LHN subscribers or take a share of the renegotiated mega-sized SEC tv deal.
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I personally love watching the same Texas v. Oklahoma games over and over and over. As a bonus, they also have great content recognizing Texas grads. It is AFN if AFN were terribly run.
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Yep, have always enjoyed watching that game and have liked Texas football since I was a kid….I have always respected their program and history.
BIL is an alumnus of UT (Austin), he and his family will be visiting in a couple of weeks. He probably knows as much as anyone would know on here, but his take on all of this will be interesting.
Good guy, he didn’t even give me any shat on the bowl game. Kinda wish that he did though, now I can’t ask what time it is (10-9).
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Could be right, it will always be about money……but I will believe it when I see it.
They’ve been down this road before.
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I think that LHN is folding anyway at some point. Losing money and losing subscribers.
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The Longhorn Network is kind of small potatoes compared to the SECN. It was a sop to let texas have it to keep them from going to the Pac 12, I thought. Moneywise, I think they wouldn’t miss it
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Fait accompli.
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Article I read say A&M and Mizzou are “no” votes. Only need 2 more “no”s to kill it.
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There won’t be a vote until they see the size of the checks.
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Fair
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Even Bjork has backed off his initial remark that TAM left the Big 12 to be out from the Texas shadow as the only SEC school in the state.
If Mickey makes it worth it, there will be a lot of pride being swallowed for the cold, hard cash that comes with the addition of two blue blood football programs (and pretty darn good athletic programs overall).
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Agree completely – it’ll be like the Chicago City Council votes. The proposal won’t be put on the floor until Sankey knows he’s got the votes the get it approved. This is or will be a done deal in my opinion unless Texas or OU get cocky at the last minute and think they can do better elsewhere.
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Texas is going to hear a pitch from the PAC and it’ll allow Texas to be the big dog of the PAC. The downside will be the new PAC is likely to have the same problems as the Big 12 is having.
It’s sounding more and more like someone has finally talked sense to Texas and they’ve realized they have to be in a balanced conference.
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The challenge in either team going to the PAC12 is money. After years of mismanagement under Larry Scott, that conference has fallen way behind the others (even the Big12) in revenue sharing payouts per member. It will be virtually impossible for them to make SEC/Big10 money in any other conference and that doesn’t even factor in the dollars from an expanded CFP payout and re-negotiated SEC TV deal.
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So easy, even a caveman could do it (but the Neanderthals in Birmingham will no doubt figure out a way to blow it)….
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If it’s a benefit for Alabama, the suits in Birmingham will be raising their glasses of Dom over their success.
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Well, I have to admit, that sounds better than I thought yesterday. Guess it kills the B12, or they become the island of misfit schools.
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Yep.may as well beat the ACC and Big 12 and Pac 12 to the punch. Take two of the top programs in the country, taking out the Big 12 Conference. Wait for the Pac 12 and Big 10 to figure out who stays and goes, ND to the ACC, where they add Central Florida.
These three Super conferences then tell the NCAA to go pound sand, TV deals are renegotiated, rules and oversight are professionalized and a 16 game tournament begins, with games starting in early December and with Super Conferences, this effectively kills Championship games (which only the SEC will truly miss).
Then the 16 will grow too 24 and then 32 and college football will basically be reduced to some pretty good games during the year, but with less riding with 32 spots and then December Madness (pick an adjective that starts with a D), with the championship game coming in early January, right before the NFL play-offs start – which works for TV.
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I don’t think it’s UCF. I believe it will be West Virginia going to the ACC. I imagine ND, Pitt, UVA, VPI, and Syracuse will push hard for them.
What would be interesting would be to see the ACC try to bring the prodigal son Maryland home instead of WVU who then likely ends up in the B1G.
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If this thing happens the most interesting drama will be the musical chairs the Big 10 and ACC play. They both need to add 2 teams, and whoever gets ND has a big advantage. WVU is way below ND on the prestige scale, and the 3rd and 4th team are even farther down.
The ACC can add WVU and ND, but if they wiff on those what’s left? The Big 10 can always take a Kansas school or Iowa State, but the ACC has few options.
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The ACC has to get some combination of ND, Maryland, and West By-God Virginia. If ND can remain independent for football (the NBC contract, the ACC scheduling arrangement, and access to the 12-team playoff), the ACC goes for WVU and tries to convince Maryland to come back. The B1G could try to pry ND away from the ACC for basketball and beyond to get them for football (but I don’t see it happening). The B1G would need to protect Maryland and then go get 2 of the remaining northern Big 12 schools.
It will definitely be interesting to watch the remaining conferences and schools scramble for the chairs when the music stops with an official announcement of SEC expansion.
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I don’t know where this Maryland thing is coming from. They were a founding member of the ACC and left because the Big Ten money was much better. Unless that changes, they have no reason to return.
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If the ACC can make the money better now with the ACC Network and give them back their traditional rivalries, I would think the Terps would listen. Maryland is the Missouri of the Big 10.
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Currently the Big Ten pays more than the SEC, let alone the ACC.
That’s another gap that isn’t closing. 😉
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Maryland and Clemson threatened to leave the ACC with South Carolina. Maryland had disagreements with the NC school which ran the ACC. It’d have to be an amazing deal to get Maryland back in the ACC. If you read some of their history it is almost like Maryland was stuck in the ACC looking to move but conditions were never right, They were smart enough not to go it on their own like USCe and GT. The Big East was a basketball conference and then a shaky football conference. The door wasn’t open to the Big10 until this last round.
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Senator, what do you think the ACC will try to do other than get ND to join the league as a full member? Some think WVU isn’t an option due to academics and research (although I’m not sure that plays in today’s world where sports is separating from the rest of the university). Given your loyalty to your undergrad school, you probably have a better perspective than most (including me) on the workings of the ACC.
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Besides ND, I have no idea.
I think the academics are a bit overblown, given that VaTech is a proud member.
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That was written like a true blue UVA grad. 😉
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I don’t see ND doing anything unless NBC/Comcast were to decide Notre Dame home football broadcast rights weren’t worth it.
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VaTech isn’t listed in the US New report but they did have UVa and the Virginia Governor fighting for them to get the invite. Baylor entered the Big12 in the same way.
USF $119.7 million
WVU $17.1 million
https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-medical-schools/most-research-money-rankings
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As for ND, TV $$ isn’t much good if you’re going to 10 game conference schedules and schools don’t have a weekend for you. Who knows the ACC and Big10 may not expand but work deals with ND/NBC.
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On expenses Va Tech spent more than UVa but were in the same ball park. WVU is at half of them.
https://ncsesdata.nsf.gov/profiles/site?method=rankingbysource&ds=herd
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In the other topic I commented on the musical chairs. USF has been good at times and is the largest or second largest University in Florida. They could get their lucky break. If Texas and OU jumps ship on the Big12, you have 10 schools looking for a home. I don’t see WVU being top prize mostly due to their academics and research $$$s which comes with it. Again WVU would have been one of the lowest rated academic schools if not the lowest in the SEC.
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Sorry not 10 but the point still stands. I think Okie State would be in line before WVU.
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Playing Alabama, Auburn, and Florida every year is a really tough neighborhood. Now think about how the South Carolina/Kentucky/Tennessee people are going to feel when they look at their schedule and see they’ve got to play Georgia on top of those three. Brutal.
At least we’ll never hear again how the Eastern Division is the weaker sister. And at least we’ll get to keep the Deep South’s Oldest Rivalry. If Sankey can somehow pull off the Herculean task of mental gymnastics that it apparently takes in order to get Auburn to repay us the extra home game so we can get Tech and Auburn on opposite years again, I guess I’ll take it.
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If hardly ever seeing a traditional SEC team representing the West in a “SEC Championship Game” is an improvement, well I’m just not seeing it.
Rather see alabama in the west even if its a bit of a geographic anomaly.
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Yeah, OU every year sounds fascinating.
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The last time OU played LSU it didn’t end well for Boy Wonder Riley and the Sooners.
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Agreed and LSU recruiting would love playing Texas every year. OU also depends on Texas talent. LSU could be a big winner under this model.
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Personally, I’m more in favor of pods, but this works too. Yesterday, I said no to expansion, but if expansion fixes the schedule while preserving or reviving the big rivalries, I’m for it.
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I saw the pods thing this morning on the SEC network. I like it much better than a realigned SEC East that includes Auburn and Alabama. The one the SECN threw out there this morning had Georgia, Florida, South Carolina and Kentucky in one pod. Play the three other teams in your pod every year and play two of the four teams from each other pod each year on a rotating basis. 9 game SEC schedule and you play each team from each other pod twice every four years and host each team from each other pod once every four years.
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That particular pod system with 16 teams has been around for a while and provides the best of both worlds of maintaining traditional rivals and also a better league playing rotation system
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It would be quite a turn for the SEC to suddenly go to a 9 game schedule after years of fighting it.
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3 playoff worthy teams every damn year, and some of y’all only want the SEC to only have 1.
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In the new divisions you posted I see an impossible path for the USC’s of the conference. No way they beat out Bama, UGA, Florida, and Auburn.
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just let a few more schools in a little further out west…..and we can call it “The Southern Half”, most everyone outside of the SEC footprint are sick of hearing the chant and name anyway
win, win…..
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I hope they work it out so with the payouts, Texas gets’s $1 less than TAMU.
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The simplest way to hash out all the scheduling permutations and angst is to get rid of the divisions. Each team gets x number of permanent opponents (allows DSOR, TSIO, RRS, WLOCP, etc to continue to be played annually) and rotate the other amount to get to 9 conference games. Top 2 go to Atlanta.
Alternatively, I want the 4 pods of 4 idea.
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Does the SECCG move to New Orleans? They have the contract for the Big12 vs SEC. OU or LSU vs Bama, UGA, or UF most years.
The model isn’t terrible. I don’t so much see this as a conference as TV and research $$$s bargaining collective. LSU won’t have a problem dropping UF or likely Bama. Tiger Bowl was a creation of the original conference split. LSU has done well against the SWC schools and loves to recruit Texas.
Bama likely takes the $$$ and thinks they can recruit Texas because they’re Bama.
The Mississippi schools may like their chances of plucking Texas talent better and hope for cannibalization in the East. Ole MIss won’t have to worry so much about getting probation as they won’t have to beat Bama in back to back years.
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I was thinking the championship game would have to move if this happened. If they wanted a permanent spot Nola is the best place. If they wanted to rotate each year between Dallas and Atlanta that could work too. Hard to see it staying permanently in Atlanta though.
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The Atlanta Sports Council will do whatever is necessary to keep the SEC championship game right where it is. I imagine Dan Cathy, Arthur Blank, Bernie Marcus, Tom Cousins, etc. will make sure the money is there.
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So, SWC vs SEC. Got it!
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Where’s McGarity when we need him? He could somehow get us in the SEC West. “We wanted to be good conference stewards, so we thought it was best to be in the division with UK, Vandy, MSU, Arky, Mizz… and maintain our traditional rivalry with South Carolina!”
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If UT and OU are looking to be a package deal and setting up a bidding war between the SEC and the PAC 12, the west coast conference is my leader in the clubhouse. My reasons:
them joining the SEC is an existential threat to A&M’s national ambitions
UT and OU know winning out there is easier
Also, who is more desperate here? Clearly its the PAC 12.
I think its probably better for the health of college football if they end up out west. Sets up 3 reasonably equal power conferences and the SEC.
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They would be more likely to pressure the PAC into a tiered payout where they get top $$$ along with USC.
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Geez – and we thought Vandy had a tough time getting a win before. . .
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9 game conference schedule great for SEC games and rotation. Assuming we keep tech as OOC opponent, however, means the likely end to any interesting national games…or maybe even UGA – Clemson.
Bigger is not always better.
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4 pods….
FOUR 4-Team Pods:
Pod A: Georgia, Florida, Kentucky, South Carolina
Pod B: Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
Pod C: LSU, Mississippi State, Ole Miss, Texas A&M
Pod D: Arkansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas
9-GAME CONFERENCE SCHEDULE FORMAT:
Play the other 3 teams in your pod EVERY SEASON
Play 2 games against EACH of the other pods
Host every team at least ONCE every 4 years
2 best SEC records play in the SECCG…I really hope they preserve that part.
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It is an interesting concept. If you take an 8 game schedule:
3 in pod games
3 on rotation
2 permanent cross pod rivals.
With the cross pod rivals, UGA/Auburn. UGA/UF, UGA/Auburn, the Iron Bowl, UT/Bama don’t have to be in the same division to keep the game going. The cross pod game gives the option to create new rivalries by pairing teams in a pod which have some history or shared border while retaining old traditions of the SEC. I think I’d split OU and Texas to integrate them in more with SEC as compared to 3 SEC pods and 1 Big12 pod but keep it in a cross pod game. OU/Texas for ages was an OOC game. It would be interesting to see a few models.
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Mizzou and Colorado have to be look at Texas like they’re a case of herpes. You get rid of them and they start flaring up again.
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It’s kind of awesome the way you describe it, but to me it feels very much like fools gold… from a fan’s perspective.
Sure, the SEC would be left with by far the best football to watch on an annual basis. We’ve had that for a long time anyhow but yes of course adding two major powers to the mix is going to be fun. At least for a while.
But remember when the ACC became a so called “super conference” by adding Miami and VT, etc. from the Big East? There can be only so many perennial powers in one conference; the rest will inevitably fall back substantially after a few years. Meanwhile the Big East got neutered and eventually collapsed and a handful of the rest of those schools are now G5. As in we went from having two conferences worth watching and with multiple extremely competitive schools in both, to having one conference that really isn’t watchable unless Clemson is playing a ranked non-conference team or somehow maybe FSU gets its act together. We’re not the ACC and I don’t expect anything that dramatic to happen, but that effect will be there and it will be strong. Mark my words.
All those dead rivalries take a toll on a college football fan. All those formerly competitive teams being laid forever low takes a toll. Sure we get some rivalries back/preserved with this move, but CFB overall is so much better as a regional sport with regional rivalries and regional powers who eventually go toe to toe at seasons end or through non-con play.
There’s still no annual WV/Pitt. Still no Kansas Mizzou, or Nebraska or Colorado vs. anyone anybody gives a damn about seeing them play. The list goes on and doesn’t include the non-conference rivalries now played far less frequently or the utter absurdity of the sterile games those rivalries have been replaced with.
Those rivalries may not excite everyone but the concept of each team having multiple annual games with intrinsic value and importance, beyond the effect of the game on the postseason, should. Go watch an Egg Bowl when both teams are unranked; it’s amazing and there used to be a whole hell of a lot more of those games in this sport, and they’re gone. I want them back.
Further, let’s say this does lead to four super conferences. That’s great, but with Texas, OU, Bama, UGA, Florida, LSU, and Auburn… we’d have more perennial or at least cyclical powers than the rest of the conferences combined. OSU, USC, Notre Dame, Oregon, Clemson, FSU… that’s already being pretty generous and if you start adding teams like Michigan and Penn State you’ve got to add South Carolina and UT, at least, from the SEC.
This is a cool bandaid we may get to wear, but I fear the long term consequences of failing to treat the real problems with the sport’s conferences and scheduling.
It’s sure enough real gold for the schools themselves, though, so… here we probably go.
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Here’s what’s wrong with some of y’all’s thinking. You can’t be skeered of playing Bama every year. In my mind we don’t play them enough to know how to beat them. And the problem with pods is we don’t get to play Auburn enough.
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The pods if implemented with cross pod permanent rivals fixes both of those problems.
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The problem which hasn’t been mentioned with 2 8 team divisions is how many times will there be 3 way tie at the top?
Sounds uncommon but we’re a few years out from Auburn beating UGA and Bama in the regular season just for UGA to get a revenge game in Atlanta. Bama backdoors into a 4 team playoff.
3 way tie:
UGA beats UF, UF upsets Bama, Bama beats UGA and they all finish with 1 loss who is the champ? Do we go to rankings, computers, points differential?
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They all get in, don’t they?
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I think this is all a ruse to push back the date of Georgia’s first trip to College Station by a few more seasons.
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Something being overlooked… what this means for Arkansas. They haven’t been the same since they left the SWC. They lost their recruiting footprint in Texas. I think this lets both Arky and Missou get better, even though they face stiffer competition too.
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